Carmen, I have looked in my data base to try to see where your Thomas may fit in the Westall family. If possible could you send me a copy of your Thomas' hand written will. It might give me more insight? I am including what I have as of now in my data base relevant to your Thomas Westall b 1818. It does not preclude your Thomas from being a son of the Benjamin Westall family but it does not say he is either. Wow! There are so many questions as ever and so few answers! :-) What I have is not etched in stone as we all know. Please review the following and let me know your thoughts! Bob Descendants of Thomas Westall Generation No. 1 1. THOMAS1 WESTALL was born 1818 in Chiswick, Middlesex, Eng, and died Aft. 1901 in Middlesex, Eng. He married (1) ELIZABETH SWAIN Abt. 1836 in Middlesex, Eng. She was born 1813 in Middlesex, Eng, and died Bet. Oct - Dec 1848 in Chelsea , Middlesex, Eng. He married (2) SARAH ANN BANISTER Abt. 1843 in Middlesex, Eng. She was born 1818 in Exmouth, Devon, Eng, and died Bet. Apr - Jun 1876 in Fulham, Middlesex, Eng. Notes for THOMAS WESTALL: Taken from the 1841 British Census Name: Thomas Westall Age: 23 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818 Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Middlesex, England Civil parish: Hammersmith Hundred: Ossulstone (Kensington Division) County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: Waterloo Place Occupation: Baker Source information: HO107/690/3 Registration district: Kensington Sub-registration district: Hammersmith St Paul ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Folio: 16 Page: 27 Line number: 13 GSU Number: 438806 Thomas Westall 23..Baker..Middlesex Eliza 28.............Middlesex Elizabeth 4.............Middlesex Charlotte 2.............Middlesex ################################# Taken from the 1851 British Census Name: Thomas Westall Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Ann Gender: Male Where born: Chiswick, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Hammersmith Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: 19 Bannisters Cottages Occupation: Omnibus Conductor Condition as to marriage: Married Registration district: Kensington Sub-registration district: St Paul Hammersmith ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 40 Thomas Westall Head..Marr..33..Omnibus Conductor.. Chiswick, Middlesex Ann Wife..Marr..33.....................................Devon, Exmouth Elizabeth Dau...S.......13......................................Kensington, Middlesex Eliza Dau...S.........7...................................... Ann Dau...S.........1......................................Shipr Bush, Middlesex ################################# Taken from 1861 British Census Name: Thos Westall Age: 43 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Chiswick, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Poplar Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: 9 Norfolk St. Occupation: Om Conductor Condition as to marriage: Married Registration district: Poplar Sub-registration district: Poplar ED, institution, or vessel: 27 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 139 Thomas Westall Head..Mar..42..Om Conductor..Chiswick, Middlesex Ann Dau....S......11...........................Hammersmith, Middlesex ################################# Taken from the 1871 British Census Name: Thomas Westall Age: 53 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Cheswich Civil Parish: Poplar Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints County/Island: London Country: England Street address: No. 2 Poplar Occupation: Omnibus Conductor Registration district: Poplar Sub-registration district: Poplar ED, institution, or vessel: 27 Household schedule number: 180 Thomas Westall Lodger..53..Omnibus Conductor..Chiswick, Middlesex ################################ Taken from the 1881 British Census Name: Thomas Westall Age: 63 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where Born: Farnham Green, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Bromley St Leonard County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 6 Athol St Condition as to marriage: Widow Occupation: Omnibus Conductor(Coach ND) Registration district: Poplar Sub registration district: Bromley ED, institution, or vessel: 44 Thomas Westall Head..Wdw..63..Omnibus Conductor..Middlesex, Farnham Green ################################## Taken from the 1891 British Census Name: Thomas Westall Age: 73 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818 Relation: Boarder Gender: Male Where Born: Shotwick, Middlesex, England Civil parish: St Leonard Ecclesiastical parish: All Hallows Town: Bromley County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 40 Athol St Occupation: Waterman Barge Condition as to marriage: Widower Registration district: Poplar Sub registration district: Bromley ED, institution, or vessel: 44 Thomas Westall Boarder..W..73..Waterman Barge..Shotwick, Middlesex, Eng ################################# Taken from the 1901 British Census Name: Thomas Westall Age: 84 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1817 Relation: Boarder Gender: Male Where born: Chiswick Civil parish: Bromley Ecclesiastical parish: All Hallows Town: London County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 8 ???? Occupation: ???? Omnibus Condition as to marriage: Widower Registration district: Poplar Sub-registration district: Bromley ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 313 Thomas Westall Boarder..Wid..84..???? Omnibus..Chiswick Notes for ELIZABETH SWAIN: Taken from Free BMD Deaths Jun 1848 Westall, Elizabeth Chelsea, Vol. 3, Page 64 Notes for SARAH ANN BANISTER: Taken from the 1851 British Census Name: Ann Westall Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818 Relation: Wife Spouses's Name: Thomas Gender: Female Where born: Exmouth, Devon, England Civil parish: Hammersmith Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Kensington Sub-registration district: St Paul Hammersmith ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Household schedule number: 40 ################################# Taken from Free BMD Deaths Jun 1876 WESTALL Sarah Ann 64 Fulham, Vol. 1a, Page 156 Children of THOMAS WESTALL and ELIZABETH SWAIN are: i. ELIZABETH2 WESTALL, b. 1837, Middlesex, Eng. Notes for ELIZABETH WESTALL: Taken from the 1851 British Census Name: Elizabeth Westall Age: 13 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Thomas Mother's name: Ann Gender: Female Where born: Kensington, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Hammersmith Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen County/Island: Middlesex Country: England 2. ii. CHARLOTTE WESTALL, b. Bet. Jan - Mar 1839, Kensington , Middlesex, Eng. Children of THOMAS WESTALL and SARAH BANISTER are: iii. ELIZA2 WESTALL, b. 1844, Kensington, Middlesex, Eng. Notes for ELIZA WESTALL: Taken from the 1851 British Census Name: Eliza Westall Age: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Thomas Mother's name: Ann Gender: Female Where born: Kensington, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Hammersmith Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Kensington Sub-registration district: St Paul Hammersmith ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Household schedule number: 40 iv. ANN WESTALL, b. Bet. Jan - Mar 1850, Shiper Bush, Middlesex, Eng. Notes for ANN WESTALL: Taken from Free BMD Births Mar 1850 Westall Ann Kensington, Vol. 3, Page 353 ############################### Taken from the 1851 British Census Name: Ann Westall Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Thomas Mother's name: Ann Gender: Female Where born: Shipr Bush, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Hammersmith Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Kensington Sub-registration district: St Paul Hammersmith ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Household schedule number: 40 Generation No. 2 2. CHARLOTTE2 WESTALL (THOMAS1) was born Bet. Jan - Mar 1839 in Kensington , Middlesex, Eng. She married JOHN COLE Bet. Jul - Sep 1855 in Chelsea, Middlesex, Eng. He was born 1837 in Poplar, Middlesex, Eng. Notes for CHARLOTTE WESTALL: Taken from Free BMS Births Mar 1839 Westall, Charlotte Kensington, Vol. 3, Page 228 ################################ Taken from the 1861 British Census Name: Charlotte Cole Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839 Relation: Wife Spouses's Name: John Gender: Female Where born: Shepherds Bush, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Bromley County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Condition as to marriage: Married Registration district: Poplar Sub-registration district: Bow ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Household schedule number: ################################## Taken from the 1871 British Census Name: Charlotte Cole Age: 32 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839 Relation: Wife Spouses's Name: John Gender: Female Where born: Pheppardsbush, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Poplar All Saints Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints Town: London County/Island: London Country: England Condition as to marriage: Mar Disability: View image Registration district: Poplar Sub-registration district: Poplar ED, institution, or vessel: 25 Household schedule number: 70 More About CHARLOTTE WESTALL: Census: 1861, 1 Anns Cottages, Broomley, Middlesex, Eng Notes for JOHN COLE: Taken from the 1861 British Census Name: Charlotte Cole Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839 Relation: Wife Spouses's Name: John Gender: Female Where born: Shepherds Bush, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Bromley County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: 1 Anns Cottages Occupation: Engine Fitter Condition as to marriage: Married Registration district: Poplar Sub-registration district: Bow ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: John Cole Head..Mar..24..Engine Fitter..Middlesex, Poplar Charlotte Wife..Mar...22.......................Middlesex, Sheppard Bush Charlotte Dau.....S......5........................Middlesex, Chelsea John Son.....S......9 Mos................Middlesex, Poplar ################################# Taken from the 1871 British Census Name: John Cole Age: 34 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Charlotte Gender: Male Where born: Poplar, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Poplar All Saints Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints Town: London County/Island: London Country: England Occupation: Engine Fitter at Work Condition as to marriage: Married Registration district: Poplar Sub-registration district: Poplar ED, institution, or vessel: 25 Household schedule number: 70 Joihn Cole Head..Mar..34..Engine fitter at Work..Poplar, Middlesex Charlotte Wife...Mar..32....................................Shephards Bush John Son....S.....10..Scholar......................Poplar, Middlesex Thomas Son....S.......7..Scholar......................Poplar, Middlesex Frances Dau....S.......2.....................................Poplar, Middlesex More About JOHN COLE: Census: 1861, 1 Anns Cottages, Broomley, Middlesex, Eng Occupation: 1861, Engine Fitter Marriage Notes for CHARLOTTE WESTALL and JOHN COLE: Taken from Free BMD Marriages Sep 1855 Westall Charlotte Chelsea 1a 272 Cole John Chelsea 1a 272 Children of CHARLOTTE WESTALL and JOHN COLE are: i. CHARLOTTE3 COLE, b. 1856, Chelsea, Middlesex, Eng. More About CHARLOTTE COLE: Census: 1861, Bromley, Middlesex, Eng, lived with parents. ii. JOHN COLE, b. 1860, Poplar, Middlesex, Eng. More About JOHN COLE: Census: 1861, 1 Anns Cottages, Broomley, Middlesex, Eng, lived with parents. Occupation: 1871, Scholar iii. THOMAS COLE, b. 1864, Poplar, Middlesex, Eng. More About THOMAS COLE: Census: 1871, Bromley, Middlesex, Eng, lived with parents., Occupation: 1871, Scholar iv. FRANCES LOUISA COLE, b. Bet. Jan - Mar 1869, Poplar, Middlesex, Eng. Notes for FRANCES LOUISA COLE: Taken from Free BMD ?????????? Births Mar 1869 Cole Frances Louisa Poplar 1c 657 ################################ Taken from Free BMD ?????????? Marriages Dec 1897 Cole Frances Louisa Mile End 1c 761 More About FRANCES LOUISA COLE: Census: 1871, Bromley, Middlesex, Eng, lived with parents., From: carmen [mailto:millhillnw7@westnet.com.au] Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 12:00 AM To: bobatbmw@cox.net Subject: Westall's/Westhall's Hi Bob, Richard gave me your email and said to E you. I am a Westall. My family tree I can trace back as far as Thomas Westall born 1818. He married twice (few descendants know that). 1st wife was Elizabeth, second was Sarah Ann Banister. I am in touch with my 3rd 1/2 cousin Sarah Westall. She from the second marriage line.I am a descendent of Charlotte (Cole) whom he had with his 1st wife along with Elizabeth (Swain), do not know is he had anymore with her or how many died We do know some of the children died, not sure which ones from which marriage. Oh dear my poor brain! I do have a copy of the will hand written by Thomas Westhall born in 1818 in which he names a lot of his children, it is dated 1880. Hope you can work out from this if we are in fact related. Kind regards Carmen email:- millhillnw7@westnet.com.au