You'd think that with all this active WESTALL research I'd be able to place my 'Bargeman' William WESTALL c1800-1840, wouldn't you? I've been very tempted to 'adopt' James and Nancy [nee MEDDEN], but how to prove it? My father used to tease my mother by singing 'The Vicar of Bray'.** Did he know something of her family history that I don't? William was of full age when he married Sarah LEWIS, a minor, in Newbury in 1820. I believe Sarah was the daughter of Francis LEWIS/Sarah as she appears in their household in the 1815 Toomer's Census of Newbury. William signed the marriage register with a very confident signature and his children followed in the Newbury St Nicolas baptisms in this sequence: 18 May 1821 Francis 05 Oct 1823 Mary Ann WESTELL [sic] 18 Jan 1826 William junr [my Great-grandfather] 03 Feb 1829 James 16 Aug 1837 Sarah [born 12 Aug 1837 bur 30 Jul 1838] What became of James I know not: his last confirmed 'sighting' 1841 with his widowed mother and brothers. In the 1840s Sarah, widow, Mary Ann, Francis and William converted to the Church of Latter Day Saints: William became an Elder and Francis a Teacher, whilst Mary Ann & husband George CANNING emigrated in 1849 on the Mormon trail to Utah, followed in 1853 by widow Sarah. The emigrants left the trail at Council Bluffs, Pottawattamie, Iowa, and remained there. If this provokes any ideas amongst all you very experienced WESTALL researchers, I'll be very grateful for your input. Dorothy ** Renowned for changes in allegiance in order to retain his office. See http://www.traditionalmusic.co.uk/song-midis/Vicar_of_Bray.htm

Dorothy, Your William Westall married Sarah Lewis in Newbury, Berkshire, Eng. I cannot prove anything but in the 10 or so Westall Family groups I have in Berkshire, England there was a William Westall b 26 May 1799 in Lambourne, Berkshire, England. His parents were Isaac Westall and Hannah Chalice. Isaac & Hannah's children were: Jemima Westall b 21 May 1797 Lambourne, Berkshire, England William Westall b 26 May 1799 Lambourne, Berkshire, England Maria Westall b 09 May 1802 Lambourne, Berkshire, England David Westall b 07 Jul 1804 Lambourne, Berkshire, England Isaac Westall B 26 Apr 1807 Lambourne, Berkshire, England To date I have not found this William Westall in the 1841 English Census although that does not mean I have just missed him? Have you tried to get William's death certificate? Frankly, I am not sure what would be on it in 1840 but it might give you some clues? I will continue to look through the Berkshire Westall's to see if I can come up with any other candidates! Good luck! Bob Westall -----Original Message----- From: westall-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:westall-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dorothy Jones Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:10 AM To: westall@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Mark Westall b ca. 1705 You'd think that with all this active WESTALL research I'd be able to place my 'Bargeman' William WESTALL c1800-1840, wouldn't you? I've been very tempted to 'adopt' James and Nancy [nee MEDDEN], but how to prove it? My father used to tease my mother by singing 'The Vicar of Bray'.** Did he know something of her family history that I don't? William was of full age when he married Sarah LEWIS, a minor, in Newbury in 1820. I believe Sarah was the daughter of Francis LEWIS/Sarah as she appears in their household in the 1815 Toomer's Census of Newbury. William signed the marriage register with a very confident signature and his children followed in the Newbury St Nicolas baptisms in this sequence: 18 May 1821 Francis 05 Oct 1823 Mary Ann WESTELL [sic] 18 Jan 1826 William junr [my Great-grandfather] 03 Feb 1829 James 16 Aug 1837 Sarah [born 12 Aug 1837 bur 30 Jul 1838] What became of James I know not: his last confirmed 'sighting' 1841 with his widowed mother and brothers. In the 1840s Sarah, widow, Mary Ann, Francis and William converted to the Church of Latter Day Saints: William became an Elder and Francis a Teacher, whilst Mary Ann & husband George CANNING emigrated in 1849 on the Mormon trail to Utah, followed in 1853 by widow Sarah. The emigrants left the trail at Council Bluffs, Pottawattamie, Iowa, and remained there. If this provokes any ideas amongst all you very experienced WESTALL researchers, I'll be very grateful for your input. Dorothy ** Renowned for changes in allegiance in order to retain his office. See http://www.traditionalmusic.co.uk/song-midis/Vicar_of_Bray.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) Database version: 5.10810e http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) Database version: 5.10820e http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/

Dorothy, Mary Ann Westall, the daughter born 1826, aged 15 and Sarah Lewis, I think aged 85, so the grandmother, are together in the 1841 census in Newbury. I couldn't find the others in 1841 either. Gill Ford On 02/10/2008, at 5:29 AM, Bob Westall wrote: > Dorothy, > > Your William Westall married Sarah Lewis in Newbury, Berkshire, > Eng. I > cannot prove anything but in the 10 or so Westall Family groups I > have in > Berkshire, England there was a William Westall b 26 May 1799 in > Lambourne, > Berkshire, England. His parents were Isaac Westall and Hannah > Chalice. > Isaac & Hannah's children were: > > Jemima Westall b 21 May 1797 Lambourne, Berkshire, England > William Westall b 26 May 1799 Lambourne, Berkshire, England > Maria Westall b 09 May 1802 Lambourne, Berkshire, England > David Westall b 07 Jul 1804 Lambourne, Berkshire, England > Isaac Westall B 26 Apr 1807 Lambourne, Berkshire, England > > To date I have not found this William Westall in the 1841 English > Census > although that does not mean I have just missed him? > > Have you tried to get William's death certificate? Frankly, I am > not sure > what would be on it in 1840 but it might give you some clues? I will > continue to look through the Berkshire Westall's to see if I can > come up > with any other candidates! > > Good luck! > > Bob Westall > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: westall-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:westall-bounces@rootsweb.com > ] On > Behalf Of Dorothy Jones > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:10 AM > To: westall@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Mark Westall b ca. 1705 > > You'd think that with all this active WESTALL research I'd > be able to place my 'Bargeman' William WESTALL c1800-1840, > wouldn't you? I've been very tempted to 'adopt' James and > Nancy [nee MEDDEN], but how to prove it? > > My father used to tease my mother by singing 'The Vicar of > Bray'.** Did he know something of her family history that I > don't? > > William was of full age when he married Sarah LEWIS, a > minor, in Newbury in 1820. I believe Sarah was the daughter > of Francis LEWIS/Sarah as she appears in their household in > the 1815 Toomer's Census of Newbury. William signed the > marriage register with a very confident signature and his > children followed in the Newbury St Nicolas baptisms in this > sequence: > > 18 May 1821 Francis > 05 Oct 1823 Mary Ann WESTELL [sic] > 18 Jan 1826 William junr [my Great-grandfather] > 03 Feb 1829 James > 16 Aug 1837 Sarah [born 12 Aug 1837 bur 30 Jul 1838] > > What became of James I know not: his last confirmed > 'sighting' 1841 with his widowed mother and brothers. > > In the 1840s Sarah, widow, Mary Ann, Francis and William > converted to the Church of Latter Day Saints: William > became an Elder and Francis a Teacher, whilst Mary Ann & > husband George CANNING emigrated in 1849 on the Mormon trail > to Utah, followed in 1853 by widow Sarah. The emigrants > left the trail at Council Bluffs, Pottawattamie, Iowa, and > remained there. > > If this provokes any ideas amongst all you very experienced > WESTALL researchers, I'll be very grateful for your input. > > Dorothy > > ** Renowned for changes in allegiance in order to retain his > office. See > http://www.traditionalmusic.co.uk/song-midis/Vicar_of_Bray.htm > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) > Database version: 5.10810e > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) > Database version: 5.10820e > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hi Gill & Bob Thanks for your input. As mentioned, I have them in 1841 [FMP ref: HO107 piece 33 folio 7/12 page 18] I seem to recall that someone mentioned a mistranscription [BESTALL?] on Ancestry, to which I do not subscribe. Sharing the same building in Newbury was an Eliza SHEPPARD aged 30, whose record should assist in finding their location. I have the death certificates for both William WESTAL [sic] 1840, Bargeman supposedly aged 39, and Sarah LEWIS 1842, Widow aged 84. Although likely, I can't yet prove that this Sarah LEWIS was Mary Ann's Grandmother. Her late husband's name is not mentioned on the death certificate. According to Toomer's 1815 Census Sarah LEWIS, wife of Francis, was then 48, giving a birth year c1767; in 1841 her age appears mistakenly rounded down to 80, and age recorded at death suggests a much earlier birth year c1758. Hannah LEWIS of West Mills was the informant present at both deaths, but no relationship to the deceased is recorded in either case. It's possible that Hannah was sister-in-law to William WESTALL and daughter-in-law to Sarah LEWIS, whose late son Joseph appears to have married a Hannah. I feel that Bob's suggestion of the Lambourne connection is unlikely, as there is no repetition of Christian names, other than William, and most members of that family married in Lamboure. I sway towards James and Nancy [nee MEDDEN] as both were buried at Bray! A fellow researcher asked if I'd considered possible connections to the RESTALLs, a number of whom appear in Reading records. Having regard to speech impediments, I'd be interested to hear whether any other WESTALL researchers have pursued that train of thought? Dorothy