Bob, Thanks for lookinfg for Amelia WESTALL for me. The problem with the other two Amelia's is that the year of birth is out, and they both have middle names, which I would expect them to use when they married as well. Amelia WESTALL, daughter of Thomas John WESTALL, was born Dec qtr 1872, as you say. Births Pancras WESTALL Amelia Dec qtr 1872 Vol 1b p71 Sorry, I got confused - I thought that Amelia was not with her parents in 1901 census, but checking back, she is, as you say, living with parents and single. So 1911 census is correct, but I do wonder who the other Amelia was, who married John AVIS/DAVIS in 1893, and who is 28 yrs old in 1901. I no longer have access to censuses, so cannot trace this Amelia further back. 1901 John Davis, Head, Mar, M, 28, General labourer, Worker, London, Newington Amelia Davis, Wife, Mar, F, 28, London, Boro Elizabeth Davis, Daur, F, 3, London, Bermondsey Martha Davis, Daur, F, 0, London, Bermondsey Address Bermondsey Class: RG13; Piece: 389; Folio: 66; Page: 15 2 births later on, would appear to be further children of John and Amelia Births Camberwell AVIS Florence M, MMN Westall Jun qtr 1913 Vol 1d p1501 AVIS Gertrude M, MMN Westall Mar qtr 1915 Vol 1d p1630 I can now publish full 1911 details, the beta site requested that this was not done. 1911 Thomas J Westall, Head, 74, M, Married 56 yrs, 7 child - 3 living, 4 died, Boot Dealer, Employer, Mdlex, London, St Giles Mary Westall, Wife, 73, F, Married, Midex, London, St Pauls Amelia Westall, Daur, 38, F, Sing, (House added in pencil) Worker, At Home, Midex, London, St Panc 6 rooms in dwelling Signed Thomas John Westall 129, Cromer Street, W.C. (131 added in pencil) RG14PN700 RG78PN24 RD9 SD2 ED17 SN465 Richard Frary, Head, 39, M, Married under 1 yr, 0 children, Butcher, Employer, New Cross, Surrey Jane Bigmore Frary, Wife, 44, F, Married under 1 yr, 0 children, Licensed Victualler, Employer, At Home, St Pancras, Middlesex (South Norwood Hotel added in pencil) John Edward Warrell, Serv, 50, M, Married 23 yrs, 2 children born and living, Licensed Victualler Manager, Worker, St Albans, Herts Florence McEwen, Serv, 27, F, Sing, Barmaid, Worker, London Lilian Moore, Serv, 21, F, Sing, Barmaid, Worker, Croydon, Surrey Ethel E S Castle, Serv, 31, F, Married 10 yrs, 3 children born and living, Cook, Lewisham, Kent Mabel Hoare, Serv, 21, F, Sing, Housemaid, Hampreston, Dorset 12 rooms in dwelling Signed Richard Frary Address 32, Station Rd, South Norwood RG14PN3381 RG78PN127 RD39 SD4 ED14 SN7 (Jane Bigmore BRIGDEN, first husband was Arthur WESTALL,they were my great grandparents, Thomas Brigden WESTALL was their son) Thomas Brigden Westall, Head, 25, M, Married, Journalist, Newspaper, Worker, London, St Pancras Gertrude Westall, Wife, 24, F, Married 2 yrs, 1 child born and living, Surrey, Croydon Jeannie Brigden Westall, Daur, 2, F, Surrey, Croydon 5 rooms in dwelling Signed Thomas Brigden Westall Address 42, Sutherland Rd, Brighton RG14PN5114 RG78PN226 RD79 SD1 ED26 SN69 My Aunt Jeannie Brigden WESTALL was born in Croydon in 1909, my mother Phyllis Mary WESTALL was born and brought up in Highbury - Birth Islington WESTALL Phyllis Mary, MMN Hyde Dec qtr 1916 Vol 1b p522 The 3rd and last child, my aunt Ure, was born 1925, also in Highbury. Brigden and Ure are both 'family' names passed from generation to generation - no younger generations use the Ure now, that I know of, but Brigden still used as middle name by one of my brother's and a cousin. Margaret From: bobatbmw@cox.net To: margaretjanew@hotmail.com Subject: FW: Amelia Westall Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 14:24:37 -0500 Margaret, I tried to send this to WESTALL@rootsweb.com and it was denied? I am therefore sending it directly to you. Bob From: Bob Westall [mailto:bobatbmw@cox.net] Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 12:52 PM To: WESTALL@rootweb.com Subject: Amelia Westall Margaret, When I sent you the email last night I left off some info. that I meant to include. Anyway the three Amelia Westall born between 1865 and 1875 Were: Births Jun 1865 (>99%) WESTALL Amelia Ann Kensington 1a 174 Births Dec 1872 (>99%) WESTALL Amelia Pancras 1b 71 Births Jun 1875 (>99%) Westall Amelia Emily Pancras 1b 198 I believe the middle Amelia is the daughter of Thomas John Westall. You mention your aunt Jeannie Brigden Westall in the 1911 census but when I tried to find other children whose mother was named Hyde I came with no other siblings. Was your mother born in Croydon as was your aunt? There were two other Westall children born in Croydon before 1930 but their mother’s maiden name was Hook? Births Sep 1921 (>99%) Westall William H Hook Croydon 2a 433 Births Sep 1922 (>99%) Westall Bertha J Hook Croydon 2a 420 Yes, genealogy does get confusing at times. Regards Bob _________________________________________________________________ Imagine a life without walls.  See the possibilities http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/122465943/direct/01/