Bob, William Westall (who married Jane Woolford) was my 4x great granduncle. His parents were John Westall (b.1718) and Hester Benfield (b.1720) who married 1 Sep 1745 in Aldbourne. I am descended via their son (William's brother) David Westall (b.1752, Baydon) who married Hannah Sims on 27 Oct 1777 in Inkpen Wilts. I think Ernest (1879) was the son of one of Henry's (1827)/Eliza Pike's children, probably either Elizabeth (b.1853) or Sarah Ann (b. 1859), but I can't identify which. I think you are probably right that Jack Westall (b.1914) was the same who was killed in WW2 (b.15 Sep 1944, Italy). I'm a bit puzzled why he was in the 5th Bn, Hampshire Regiment, as he was born in Cardiff, Wales, but so far he's the only Jack Westall I have been able to find in GRO who fits the age profile given in CWGC. Actually, there is another Jack Claude Westall who was born in Kingscleare, Hampshire in 1898 but it's unlikely to be him as he would have been 46 years old when he died. By the way, this Jack's parents were John Henry Westall (b.1864, Newbury) and Ada Ellen Hiscock (b.1870, Kingsclere). So far I have been unable to find out who John Henry's parents were, but I guess they connect at some point with my family as they were from the Newbury area. Any help would be appreciated. Unfortunately, in my branch of the family there has been a tendency for the John Westall's to call themselves 'Jack'. I have recently been researching a colourful grand uncle of mine, John Thomas Westall (1870 - 1940) who was known by everyone as 'Jack'. If anyone wants to know more about this particular Jack and his descendants then please contact me (there are groups based at both ends of England i.e. in the Worthing/East Preston area of West Sussex, and in the Cadishead area of Lancashire. It's a long story!). Amongst other things he was no.1 Diver for the Great Western Railway, and there is a small prize for anyone guessing correctly why a railway needs a diver... ;0) Jack's a bit special as it was stories that my dad told me about him that got me hooked on finding out my family history! Fred -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bob Westall" <bobatbmw@cox.net> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 4:05 PM To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Parents of Henry Westall b 1827 Axford > Fred, > > This is very helpful. Henry Westall b 1827 is the ancestor of Oliver > Westall one of our members I believe! > > Where does Henry Westall b 1827 meet up with your family. You have > William > Westall m Jane Woolford 5 Jan 1771 Highworth, Wiltshire but I cannot tie > them to your direct ancestors? > > The more you learn the more confusing it all becomes! Thanks again for > all > of your emails. > > Bob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: westall-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:westall-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of Fred Westall > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 2:43 AM > To: westall@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Parents of Henry Westall b 1827 Axford > > Bob, > I haven't seen the parish records myself, but this is what I have obtained > from the IGI: > Henry Westall (bap. 4 Feb 1827, Axford, Wilts.) m. Eliza Pike (bap. 12 > Jun > > 1831, Axford) on 12 Jun 1851 in Ramsbury, Wilts. > They had 7 children. Henry's parents were William Westall (bap. 26 May > 1799, Lambourne, Berks) and Eliza Hiscock. They married 24 Dec 1814 in > Ham, > > Wilts. William's parents were Isaac Westall (bap. 4 Apr 1773, Baydon, > Wilts) and Hannah Challis (bap. 13 Oct 1771, Lambourne) who married 16 Feb > 1797. Isaac's parents were William Westall and Jane Woolford (m. 5 Jan > 1771, Highworth, Wilts). > It's currently my best theory (by a process of elimination). > Never in the field of genealogy were there so many Henry, William and > George > > Westall's in such a small area in such a short period of time! ;o) > Fred > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Bob Westall" <bobatbmw@cox.net> > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 4:28 AM > To: <westall@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [WESTALL] Parents of Henry Westall b 1827 Axford > >> Fred, >> >> >> >> The big question is who is the father and mother of Henry Westall b 1827 >> in >> Axford, Wiltshire, England? I have searched for them until I am green in >> the face. 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'Snipped' ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Westall" <fred_westall@msn.com> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Parents of Henry Westall b 1827 Axford > > Bob, Actually, there is another Jack Claude Westall who > was born in Kingscleare, Hampshire in 1898 but it's > unlikely to be him as he > would have been 46 years old when he died. By the way, > this Jack's parents > were John Henry Westall (b.1864, Newbury) and Ada Ellen > Hiscock (b.1870, > Kingsclere). So far I have been unable to find out who > John Henry's parents > were, but I guess they connect at some point with my > family as they were > from the Newbury area. Any help would be appreciated. This is 'my' WESTALL branch but some of the facts have been distorted: The parents of Jack Claude were Henry WESTALL born 1859 Speenhamland and Ada Ellen HISCOCK born 1869 Kingsclere. Henry [my Grandfather] later 'adopted' the first Christian name John but was also known as Jack; however, he was registered and baptized as plain Henry. Henry's parentage was William baptized Newbury St Nicolas 1826 and Mary Ann nee GREEN. William 1826 was a son of William [Bargeman born c1800 place unknown] and Sarah nee LEWIS who married at Newbury St Nicolas in 1820. William the patriarch died in April 1840 at Newbury thereby denying me a census entry for him: death registered in the name of William WESTAL [i.e. a single 'L'] aged 39, These WESTALLs were Non-conformists who provided confident signatures at marriage. Widow Sarah nee LEWIS joined the Church of Latter-day Saints in 1842, followed by daughter Mary Ann [who married George CANNING, Newbury Tailor, and emigrated 1849 on the Utah trail], and sons William and Francis. Sarah joined her daughter at Council Bluffs, Pottawattamie Co., Iowa in 1853 but my last 'sighting' of her was there in 1856, just before the coldest-recorded winter [mercury minus 36 degrees]. I don't know whether Sarah survived and remained in Iowa but she was only in her early 50s when she emigrated. I would love to be able to break the 19th Century 'barrier' to get to the origins of this branch: they must have received a decent education if the boys were capable of preaching the gospel in their 20s. Sarah and son William's joint 1851 Census return was compromised by the subsequent additions 'of Ag Lab' after Widow and insertion of 'Ag' before Labourer. These were barge folk evolving into the building trades of urban Newbury as General Labourers; Plumbers; Bricklayers; and Painter/Decorators. Agriculture does not feature in any of their civil registrations or parish register entries. There was a - so far- unidentified Mr WESTALL in Newbury 1846, possibly of the Primitive Brethren sect. Contemporary correspondence suggests they might have recently opened a Meeting House there.