Mick, Great post. I am just not sure how far London has grown. Middlesex no longer exists as of 1889, right? It is now all considered Greater London? In the 1750's or so was the City of London or London City about 1 mile square or so? Questions! Questions! Questions! I believe my G-G-Grandfather was born in London City in Nov. 1759! Mick, are you still in the London general area or at least close to there? If Chiswick was just a small village ca. 1810/1830 could there be that many Parishes and Parish Registers? Do you think there could be a chance for you to go to Chiswick sometime in the future to see if your John Westall b ca. 1812 could be a member of Thomas Westall (b 1786) family? If John was a member of this family what a great win for you, Carmen and all Westall's as there are other Westall family members that could be a part of this family? Is there any other member of the list that lives close to Chiswick? There is at least a chance that this could be a huge break through? We are making good progress! It is like eating an elephant, one bite at a time! It just happens to be one huge elephant! Regards to all Westall cousins! Bob Westall -----Original Message----- From: westall-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:westall-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael Westall Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 7:17 AM To: westall@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Thomnas Westall Hi all, In the UK in general, Parish Registers are the only records you can go on before 1837 for births. If my John was linked to this branch of the Westall's he would have left home by then - he was married 29 December 1829 and living in Lambeth at that time. The 1841 census shows him living in the St Giles area of Westminster, on this census he says he was 'not born in the county of London'. His entry in the 1851 census shows him still living in the St Giles area and states that he was born in the parish of 'St James', Westminster' - he is not shown in their parish registers between 1807 and 1815, I have checked them for myself. In the 1861 census he is still in the same place and gives 'London' as his place of birth. He died in 1864. It is very possible that he did not originate from London, I have checked the IGI and other sources far and wide without finding any clues. Chiswick is now a fully built up part of London - it developed from a small village mainly in the 19th centaury and would have been in the county of Middlesex in the early 1800's. It is only 6 miles west of the parish of Westminster and it is quite possible that he could have migrated from there. It is a coincidence that I lived in Barnes on the other side of the river Thames from Chiswick from 1934 until 1950 - well before I took up genealogy as a hobby ! (I started in 1970 - after my grandfather Westall died at the age of 103). Mick ----- Original Message ----- From: "bobatbmw" <bobatbmw@cox.net> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Thomnas Westall > Mick, > > That is the tough question? As we are aware things changed as to how > records were kept in the 1830's. I think myself quite fortunate to have > come up with Catherine age 12 or so in the 1841 census and her parents. I > feel quite confident it is a match because her future husband was living > with her parents at the time. Like Thomas b 1818 and Mary Ann b 1815 your > John Westall b ca. 1812 had already moved away from mom and dad so it > really > makes things much tougher! > > When you say Westminster is not very far from Chiswick, just what do you > mean by how far? Also where did you find his birthplace as Westminster? > As > we are both aware people change their place of birth from census to census > just as they may alter their age as well! > > Genealogy is truly a soup sandwich and I guess that is what keeps me > coming > back to it. That and the fact that people have asked for assistance with > their families which is very hard for me to turn down. When I started my > genealogy research out years ago people were so gracious and outgoing with > their assistance to me I feel greatly obliged to "Pass it on" if at all > possible! > > Is there anyone on the list that lives anywhere near Chiswick? It appears > to be a very small community which is very close to the Thames River and > less than 3 miles from Richmond. In the other direction it looks to be 6 > to > 8 miles from Hampstead! > > I do not have anything firm on Thomas'(b 1818)place of marriage to > Elizabeth > Swain but Mary Ann Westall m Samuel Snell (b 1806 in Falham, Middlesex, > Eng) > in the 2nd Quarter of 1840 in Kensington, Middlesex, Eng. I got this from > www.rootsweb.com Free BirthMarriageDeath. It may not be etched in stone > but > man it sure fits like a glove! > > Thomas' first child was Elizabeth b 1837 which would mean the marriage > took > place outside of the newer records I believe! :-( > > As ever so many questions and so very few answers! > > Does anyone have any thoughts at all. If so please email the list as > every > thought might be the one that opens the door! > > Mick, as ever good hearing from you! > > Warmest regards to all Westall cousins! > > Bob Westall > > > -----Original Message----- > From: westall-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:westall-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of Michael Westall > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 5:45 AM > To: westall@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Thomnas Westall > > Hi, Bob and all list members, > > Yes I have been following this. > > I wonder if there is any evidence of siblings earlier than Mary Ann born > 1816. Thomas and Catherine would both have been 30 in 1816. > My John Westalls census details say he was born around 1812, allegedly in > Westminster. This is not very far from Chiswick and there could be a link > although at that time Chiswick was a small village outside London. > > Is there any evidence of when and where Thomas and Catherine were married? > > Mick W > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bobatbmw" <bobatbmw@cox.net> > To: "WESTALL Mailing List" <WESTALL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 6:05 PM > Subject: [WESTALL] Thomnas Westall > > >> Hi everyone, >> >> If you have followed the dialogue about Thomas Westall b 1786 in >> Chiswick, >> Middlesex, Eng I would appreciate if you would check your family >> information >> to see if there is any chance he may touch your particular family! >> >> Thomas wife was Catherine born 1786 in England. Their children were: >> >> Mary Ann Westall..b 1816 >> Thomas Westall..b 1818 >> Catherine Westall..b 1827 >> >> There could have been more children but to date this is all I can come up >> with! These three children were also born in Chiswick, Middlesex, Eng. >> >> Mick, your John Westall was b 1813 in St James's Parish, Westminster, >> London, Eng. What do you think? >> >> Carmen, I found this in Free BMD could this be Thomas Westall b 1818: >> >> Deaths Jun 1901 >> Westall Thomas W. Ham 4a 40 >> The district W. Ham is an alternative name for West Ham and it spans the >> boundaries of the counties of Essex and Greater London? >> >> Any thoughts or suggestions by any list member would be greatly >> appreciated. >> >> >> Bob >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message