Courtesy of a mate, these were Crew lists: Name: E F Westall Estimated birth year: abt 1875 Age: 31 Port of Departure: London Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales Voyage Arrival Date: 1 Jun 1906 Vessel Name: Ormuz Name: E F Westall Estimated birth year: abt 1875 Age: 31 Port of Departure: Brisbane Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales Voyage Arrival Date: 11 Jun 1906 Vessel Name: Ormuz Name: E F Westall Estimated birth year: abt 1876 Age: 30 Port of Departure: London Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales Voyage Arrival Date: 5 Oct 1906 Vessel Name: Orient Name: E F Westall Estimated birth year: abt 1876 Age: 30 Port of Departure: Brisbane Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales Voyage Arrival Date: 15 Oct 1906 Vessel Name: Orient Note: DESERTED at Brisbane 13.10.06 I have put out a 'feeler' to a WESTALL researcher in close proximity to Newbury who may be able to access a report in the Newbury Weekly News on the 1889 trial. The details in the Criminal Register are contained in a one-line entry in a Home Office Return from Newbury Borough: Name: Ernest Francis WESTALL Offences of which those tried were Convicted [&c]: Felony - Larceny of person Date of Session: 23 Oct 1889 Convicted and Sentenced: Penal Servitude 5 years Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Watt" <wattlebee@bigpond.com> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles Westall Middlesex to Australia > > Hi from downunder > > Dorothy & Bob it sure was interesting to learn that Ernest > (?aka) Charles was married and had a daughter - I don't > have access to view the 1901 census but I was able to > search and see that there was a Charles married to a > Louie. > > Now to find out when he did come to Australia under which > name and whether he left his wife and child behind. > > On ancestry I found a few entries for an E F Westall on > the New South Wales, Australia, Unassisted Immigrant > Passenger Lists 1826-1922 arriving Sydney - does anyone > have access to the record/image? I also notice there is > Ernest Francis on England & Wales Criminal Register > residing in Berkshire on 23 Oct 1889 that I would love to > see too. > > I also found a listing for a Mr E Westall who arrived in > May 1914 but was aged 19 - however I don't think we could > really believe any age as far as Charles was concerned. > > I will see what I can find out with regards the above > Westall passengers > Cheers Julie

Well well well it appears that Ernest aka Charles, deserted ship - Thanks Dorothy and to your mate for your great detective work. Sounds like he started a new life in Australia after deserting ship in Sydney and that would explain how he got here and why he isn't on passenger lists at the National Archives etc. I will get onto a mailing list I am part of on immigration and see if more info can be found on him from those crew lists. Mum & I are planning on getting a copy of his death cert from QLD as soon as we can afford it - to me it appears that by the time he died he 'felt' free enough to make known his mother's correct maiden name of HEAD as opposed to ALLEN on his marriage cert. I have to wonder if he was still married to Louie when he married my Great Grandma - mmmm I wonder if he remarried after he left Great Grandma somewhere after 1930? The plot thickens..... I am off now to get my magnifying glass and play detective.... Sherlock Holmes eat your heart out!!!!! Cheers Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: Dorothy Jones To: Julie Watt ; westall@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 12:46 AM Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles Westall Middlesex to Australia Courtesy of a mate, these were Crew lists: Name: E F Westall Estimated birth year: abt 1875 Age: 31 Port of Departure: London Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales Voyage Arrival Date: 1 Jun 1906 Vessel Name: Ormuz Name: E F Westall Estimated birth year: abt 1875 Age: 31 Port of Departure: Brisbane Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales Voyage Arrival Date: 11 Jun 1906 Vessel Name: Ormuz Name: E F Westall Estimated birth year: abt 1876 Age: 30 Port of Departure: London Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales Voyage Arrival Date: 5 Oct 1906 Vessel Name: Orient Name: E F Westall Estimated birth year: abt 1876 Age: 30 Port of Departure: Brisbane Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales Voyage Arrival Date: 15 Oct 1906 Vessel Name: Orient Note: DESERTED at Brisbane 13.10.06 I have put out a 'feeler' to a WESTALL researcher in close proximity to Newbury who may be able to access a report in the Newbury Weekly News on the 1889 trial. The details in the Criminal Register are contained in a one-line entry in a Home Office Return from Newbury Borough: Name: Ernest Francis WESTALL Offences of which those tried were Convicted [&c]: Felony - Larceny of person Date of Session: 23 Oct 1889 Convicted and Sentenced: Penal Servitude 5 years Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Watt" <wattlebee@bigpond.com> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles Westall Middlesex to Australia > > Hi from downunder > > Dorothy & Bob it sure was interesting to learn that Ernest > (?aka) Charles was married and had a daughter - I don't > have access to view the 1901 census but I was able to > search and see that there was a Charles married to a > Louie. > > Now to find out when he did come to Australia under which > name and whether he left his wife and child behind. > > On ancestry I found a few entries for an E F Westall on > the New South Wales, Australia, Unassisted Immigrant > Passenger Lists 1826-1922 arriving Sydney - does anyone > have access to the record/image? I also notice there is > Ernest Francis on England & Wales Criminal Register > residing in Berkshire on 23 Oct 1889 that I would love to > see too. > > I also found a listing for a Mr E Westall who arrived in > May 1914 but was aged 19 - however I don't think we could > really believe any age as far as Charles was concerned. > > I will see what I can find out with regards the above > Westall passengers > Cheers Julie

Looks like you really hit the jackpot with Charles .... it took me 5000 names to get my first convict and another 5000 to get my first bigamist! By the way, Charles/Ernest Francis was my 5th cousin, three times removed! I guess that makes us 7th or 8th cousins.. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Julie Watt" <wattlebee@bigpond.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 10:07 AM To: "Dorothy Jones" <dee-jay@jones2115.fsnet.co.uk>; <westall@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles Westall Middlesex to Australia > Well well well it appears that Ernest aka Charles, deserted ship - Thanks > Dorothy and to your mate for your great detective work. > > Sounds like he started a new life in Australia after deserting ship in > Sydney and that would explain how he got here and why he isn't on > passenger lists at the National Archives etc. I will get onto a mailing > list I am part of on immigration and see if more info can be found on him > from those crew lists. > > Mum & I are planning on getting a copy of his death cert from QLD as soon > as we can afford it - to me it appears that by the time he died he 'felt' > free enough to make known his mother's correct maiden name of HEAD as > opposed to ALLEN on his marriage cert. I have to wonder if he was still > married to Louie when he married my Great Grandma - mmmm I wonder if he > remarried after he left Great Grandma somewhere after 1930? > > The plot thickens..... > > I am off now to get my magnifying glass and play detective.... > Sherlock Holmes eat your heart out!!!!! > > Cheers Julie >