Dorothy, You could be absolutely correct but I knew nothing of the Charles E. family. I have seen so many births registered late or incorrectly that I did not automatically feel it was totally wrong. There was a chance that they were twins? The person that told me of the family said that Charles E. and Alice had a large family of something like 13 children. Having two women by the name of Francis marrying two men by the name of Westall in the same location in a short period of time does make the situation a little of a problem. Thanks for your thoughts. Anyone else have any thoughts. Bob -----Original Message----- From: westall-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:westall-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dorothy Jones Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 5:49 AM To: westall@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles E. Westall m Alice Francis Hi Bob I think you're working under a false assumption here. There are two WESTALL marriages to FRANCIS brides in Islington: 4Q 1914 William W. WESTALL / Florence FRANCIS 2Q 1919 Charles E WESTALL / Alice FRANCIS The giveaway was the birth registration for Charles 2Q 1920 followed too closely by Sidney 4Q 1920. Either couple could have been the parents for Charles Edward born 1920. I think it will take his birth certificate to confirm his parentage before pursuing parentage of his father, but I anticipate they might be brothers marrying sisters and you may have unwittingly integrated two families. Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Westall" <bobatbmw@cox.net> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 3:54 AM Subject: [WESTALL] Charles E. Westall m Alice Francis > Hi, > I am working on a family and the Husband/father is Charles > E. Westall. > Charles E. married Alice Francis Bet. Jul - Sep 1920 > Islington, Middlesex, > Eng as noted below: > > England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 > Name: Charles E Westall > Spouse Surname: Francis > Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1919 > Registration district: Islington > Registration county (inferred): Middlesex > Volume Number: 1b > Page Number: 432 > > England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 > about Alice Francis > Name: Alice Francis > Spouse Surname: Westall > Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1919 > Registration district: Islington > Registration county (inferred): Middlesex > Volume Number: 1b > Page Number: 432 > > They had a very large family of 13 or so all born in > Islington and they are > Charles, Sidney, Walter, Alice, Gladys, Grace, Doris, > Irene, Leslie, > Reginald, Ronald, Jean, and Terrence in order of birth > born between 1920 and > 1937. > Can anyone give me the parents of the father, Charles E. > Westall born ca. > 1890's or so. I do not know where he was born but > Greater London area > might be a decent guess? > Bob Westall ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14550 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14550 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
Bob I took this research a stage further and found these death registrations: WESTALL, Charles Edward May 2004 Date of birth: 22 June 1920 WESTALL, Sydney David December 2000 Date of Birth: 23 October 1920 Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Westall" <bobatbmw@cox.net> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles E. Westall m Alice Francis > > Dorothy, > > You could be absolutely correct but I knew nothing of the > Charles E. family. > I have seen so many births registered late or incorrectly > that I did not > automatically feel it was totally wrong. There was a > chance that they were > twins? The person that told me of the family said that > Charles E. and Alice > had a large family of something like 13 children. > > Having two women by the name of Francis marrying two men > by the name of > Westall in the same location in a short period of time > does make the > situation a little of a problem. > > Thanks for your thoughts. Anyone else have any thoughts. > > Bob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: westall-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:westall-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Dorothy Jones > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 5:49 AM > To: westall@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles E. Westall m Alice Francis > > Hi Bob > > I think you're working under a false assumption here. > There > are two WESTALL marriages to FRANCIS brides in Islington: > > 4Q 1914 William W. WESTALL / Florence FRANCIS > 2Q 1919 Charles E WESTALL / Alice FRANCIS > > The giveaway was the birth registration for Charles 2Q > 1920 > followed too closely by Sidney 4Q 1920. > > Either couple could have been the parents for Charles > Edward > born 1920. I think it will take his birth certificate to > confirm his parentage before pursuing parentage of his > father, but I anticipate they might be brothers marrying > sisters and you may have unwittingly integrated two > families. > > Dorothy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Westall" <bobatbmw@cox.net> > To: <westall@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 3:54 AM > Subject: [WESTALL] Charles E. Westall m Alice Francis > > > >> Hi, > >> I am working on a family and the Husband/father is >> Charles >> E. Westall. >> Charles E. married Alice Francis Bet. Jul - Sep 1920 >> Islington, Middlesex, >> Eng as noted below: >> >> England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 > >> Name: Charles E Westall >> Spouse Surname: Francis >> Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1919 >> Registration district: Islington >> Registration county (inferred): Middlesex >> Volume Number: 1b >> Page Number: 432 >> >> England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 >> about Alice Francis > > Name: Alice Francis >> Spouse Surname: Westall >> Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1919 >> Registration district: Islington >> Registration county (inferred): Middlesex >> Volume Number: 1b >> Page Number: 432 >> >> They had a very large family of 13 or so all born in >> Islington and they are >> Charles, Sidney, Walter, Alice, Gladys, Grace, Doris, >> Irene, Leslie, >> Reginald, Ronald, Jean, and Terrence in order of birth >> born between 1920 and >> 1937. > >> Can anyone give me the parents of the father, Charles E. >> Westall born ca. >> 1890's or so. I do not know where he was born but >> Greater London area >> might be a decent guess? > >> Bob Westall > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) > Database version: 6.14550 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) > Database version: 6.14550 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message >
I tried to look this family up in 1911 census, assuming that Charles and William might have been brothers. The only family with a Charles and a William Westall (no initials given) was a family of Westall's born in St Pancras and living in Islington. I can find no appropriate birth registrations for Charles E Westall or William W Westall in St Pancras at the right time (Charles aged 14 and William aged 20). This still might be the right family, but unless the name of Charles' father is known from marriage certificate, it would be difficult to establish a connection. Does your contact know any more about this family? They don't appear to be particularly well off - father a wood chopper, children various occupations inc. rag sorter, rag sorters assistant and Charles himself a newsboy. Margaret > From: bobatbmw@cox.net > To: westall@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 12:44:08 -0400 > Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles E. Westall m Alice Francis > > Dorothy, > > You could be absolutely correct but I knew nothing of the Charles E. family. > I have seen so many births registered late or incorrectly that I did not > automatically feel it was totally wrong. There was a chance that they were > twins? The person that told me of the family said that Charles E. and Alice > had a large family of something like 13 children. > > Having two women by the name of Francis marrying two men by the name of > Westall in the same location in a short period of time does make the > situation a little of a problem. > > Thanks for your thoughts. Anyone else have any thoughts. > > Bob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: westall-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:westall-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Dorothy Jones > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 5:49 AM > To: westall@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles E. Westall m Alice Francis > > Hi Bob > > I think you're working under a false assumption here. There > are two WESTALL marriages to FRANCIS brides in Islington: > > 4Q 1914 William W. WESTALL / Florence FRANCIS > 2Q 1919 Charles E WESTALL / Alice FRANCIS > > The giveaway was the birth registration for Charles 2Q 1920 > followed too closely by Sidney 4Q 1920. > > Either couple could have been the parents for Charles Edward > born 1920. I think it will take his birth certificate to > confirm his parentage before pursuing parentage of his > father, but I anticipate they might be brothers marrying > sisters and you may have unwittingly integrated two > families. > > Dorothy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Westall" <bobatbmw@cox.net> > To: <westall@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 3:54 AM > Subject: [WESTALL] Charles E. Westall m Alice Francis > > > > > Hi, > > > I am working on a family and the Husband/father is Charles > > E. Westall. > > Charles E. married Alice Francis Bet. Jul - Sep 1920 > > Islington, Middlesex, > > Eng as noted below: > > > > England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 > > > Name: Charles E Westall > > Spouse Surname: Francis > > Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1919 > > Registration district: Islington > > Registration county (inferred): Middlesex > > Volume Number: 1b > > Page Number: 432 > > > > England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 > > about Alice Francis > > Name: Alice Francis > > Spouse Surname: Westall > > Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1919 > > Registration district: Islington > > Registration county (inferred): Middlesex > > Volume Number: 1b > > Page Number: 432 > > > > They had a very large family of 13 or so all born in > > Islington and they are > > Charles, Sidney, Walter, Alice, Gladys, Grace, Doris, > > Irene, Leslie, > > Reginald, Ronald, Jean, and Terrence in order of birth > > born between 1920 and > > 1937. > > > Can anyone give me the parents of the father, Charles E. > > Westall born ca. > > 1890's or so. I do not know where he was born but > > Greater London area > > might be a decent guess? > > > Bob Westall > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) > Database version: 6.14550 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) > Database version: 6.14550 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Send us your Hotmail stories and be featured in our newsletter http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/