Hello, Clif. I've given up trying to keep up on my wife's cousins, as I have quite a few of my own, some of whom I haven't even met. I guess you must be a son of one of Albert's sisters . . . and a bit younger than my wife, who will hit 74 in a few weeks. Incidentally, it's not "Canfield." My ancestors were not among the illiterates who failed to retain the original English spelling "Camfield." Regards, Tom -- Tom Camfield 538 Calhoun St. Port Townsend WA 98368 Curmudgeon Emeritus School of Hard Knocks > From: "Clif Westall" <westallc@wpsd.wednet.edu> > Reply-To: westall@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:29:38 -0700 > To: <westall@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Westall > > Tom Canfield. > > Just a note to tell you I enjoy " listening in" on this geneology stuff. Your > wife must be my first cousin as her father was my uncle Albert. I teach > Science and math here at White Pass High School in Randle. And of course Noble > Bacchus was my great grandfather and John my grandfather. > > Clif Westall

Tom Canfield. Just a note to tell you I enjoy " listening in" on this geneology stuff. Your wife must be my first cousin as her father was my uncle Albert. I teach Science and math here at White Pass High School in Randle. And of course Noble Bacchus was my great grandfather and John my grandfather. Clif Westall >>> camfield@olympus.net 10/3/2006 10:37 AM >>> Hello again , Les. I'll post this also to the Westall site, as it will include some information on my (actually my wife's) Westall line. I have it that William B. Westall, son of Thomas Westall and Mary Brittain, married (1) Matilda Penland and (2) Eliza Madelyn Angel. My line continues via William's first marriage and son Noble Bacchus Westall, a Civil War hero who married Hannah Davis. N. B. and Hannah's son John D. Westall married Neta Jones, John and Neta's children included Albert J. Westall (my father-in-law, a second cousin to Thomas Wolfe). My account of descendants also includes the children of Wm. B. Westall and Eliza Angel. They include Zebulon, born Dec. 6, 1859 (a twin of sister Louisa Nancy), died Jan. 17, 1890; married ------ Good. Zebulon was the 13th or 14th child of William and Eliza, by the way, depending on whether he or his twin sister was born first. My source of much of my information on William and Eliza's children was the late Jacob Howard (Jake) Caraway, a grandson of Theador/Theodore (Big Thee) Westall and Hattie Ellen Autrey, via their daughter Martha Helen (who married Molt Caraway). Big Thee was born in 1856, a brother of Zebulon. Julia Westall, father of Thomas Wolfe, was not a daughter of William B. and his first wife, Matilda Penland. Her parents were Thomas Casey Westall (brother of my Noble Bacchus Westall) and Martha Anne Penland. It was Thomas who was a child of Wm. B. Westall and Matilda Penland. So your Wolfe connection would be somewhat more remote. I don't have a connection between Matilda Penland and Martha Anne Penland. The latter (Thomas Casey Westall's wife) was a daugher of Leander Penland and Marilda Patton. In any case, regarding Zebulon Vance Westall. Although he was born shortly before the Civil War, it seems likely his namesake was Zebulon Baird Vance, Civil War officer, governor of North Carolina and U. S. Senator. One early Westall claimed that Matilda Penland's mother and General Vance's mother were sisters with the surname Brittain--but this is totally erroneous. Zebulon Vance was a son of David Vance Jr. and Mira Margaret Baird. (Zeb Vance's paternal grandfather married Priscilla Brank, whose sister Rachel married a William Brittain. A very distant Vance-Westall relationship eventually can be found via Williamses and Joneses to my wife's paternal grandmother. If you live anywhere in the Buncombe-Burke County area, you may be able to access my book. There are a couple of copies located in libraries there. It is "The Westalls and Their Kin," Thomas W. Camfield, 1998. Copies also are in such major libraries as the New England Historic Genealogical Society in Boston, New York City Public Library (I believe), and a few other places. A good portion of the book also is dedicated to Blankinship ancestry (Vera Blankinship m. Albert Westall, my wife's parents). I do have a pretty fair account of Thomas Westall's life in Texas, the participation of him and his sons in a battle that preceded the formal war against Mexico, his death during the 1833 cholera epidemic. I had difficulty, however, getting much real detail of his sojourn in Tennessee. I also have a nice account of the role of Noble Bacchus Westall (William B.'s son) in the Civil War--and a lengthy diary account of the tragic early life of William Bacchus Westall, son of Noble B.'s brother Winfield Scott Westall. I enjoyed also digging out a few ancient (and tenuous) connections, including one back to Charlemagne (b. 747). However, this ties into the Westalls only via the Neta Jones who married my wife's paternal Westall grandfather. Others might pick up on the same descent if they have a connection to early Honeycutts or Stouts of the North Carolina area. I hope all of this foregoing has been more informative than confusing. Regards, Tom -- Tom Camfield 538 Calhoun St. Port Townsend WA 98368 Curmudgeon Emeritus School of Hard Knocks Tom, Thanks for the information. I mis-stated about my Grandmother. She was the daughter of Zebulon Vance Westall and Nettie (Jeanette) Goode. Zebulon was, I think, a twin of one of the children of Wm. B. and Eliza Angel. Zebulon was killed at a young age in a logging accident, leaving the one child, my grandmother Aura. Her mother, Jeanette moved back to McDowell County, NC and re-assumed her name of Goode for reasons I have not discovered. She is buried at Hicks Chapel Cemetery north of Marion on Hwy. 221. I think that this makes my great grandfather Zebulon, a half brother of Julia, Thomas Wolfe's mother. I believe she was one of the children of Wm. B. and his Penland wife. I have been intrigued by the old patriarch, Thomas's, adventure to Texas and his as one of Steven Austin's "Old 300." Thanks again for the information. If I have made any gross errors in the above relationships, I would be grateful for any corrections. Les Brown ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello again , Les. I'll post this also to the Westall site, as it will include some information on my (actually my wife's) Westall line. I have it that William B. Westall, son of Thomas Westall and Mary Brittain, married (1) Matilda Penland and (2) Eliza Madelyn Angel. My line continues via William's first marriage and son Noble Bacchus Westall, a Civil War hero who married Hannah Davis. N. B. and Hannah's son John D. Westall married Neta Jones, John and Neta's children included Albert J. Westall (my father-in-law, a second cousin to Thomas Wolfe). My account of descendants also includes the children of Wm. B. Westall and Eliza Angel. They include Zebulon, born Dec. 6, 1859 (a twin of sister Louisa Nancy), died Jan. 17, 1890; married ------ Good. Zebulon was the 13th or 14th child of William and Eliza, by the way, depending on whether he or his twin sister was born first. My source of much of my information on William and Eliza's children was the late Jacob Howard (Jake) Caraway, a grandson of Theador/Theodore (Big Thee) Westall and Hattie Ellen Autrey, via their daughter Martha Helen (who married Molt Caraway). Big Thee was born in 1856, a brother of Zebulon. Julia Westall, father of Thomas Wolfe, was not a daughter of William B. and his first wife, Matilda Penland. Her parents were Thomas Casey Westall (brother of my Noble Bacchus Westall) and Martha Anne Penland. It was Thomas who was a child of Wm. B. Westall and Matilda Penland. So your Wolfe connection would be somewhat more remote. I don't have a connection between Matilda Penland and Martha Anne Penland. The latter (Thomas Casey Westall's wife) was a daugher of Leander Penland and Marilda Patton. In any case, regarding Zebulon Vance Westall. Although he was born shortly before the Civil War, it seems likely his namesake was Zebulon Baird Vance, Civil War officer, governor of North Carolina and U. S. Senator. One early Westall claimed that Matilda Penland's mother and General Vance's mother were sisters with the surname Brittain--but this is totally erroneous. Zebulon Vance was a son of David Vance Jr. and Mira Margaret Baird. (Zeb Vance's paternal grandfather married Priscilla Brank, whose sister Rachel married a William Brittain. A very distant Vance-Westall relationship eventually can be found via Williamses and Joneses to my wife's paternal grandmother. If you live anywhere in the Buncombe-Burke County area, you may be able to access my book. There are a couple of copies located in libraries there. It is "The Westalls and Their Kin," Thomas W. Camfield, 1998. Copies also are in such major libraries as the New England Historic Genealogical Society in Boston, New York City Public Library (I believe), and a few other places. A good portion of the book also is dedicated to Blankinship ancestry (Vera Blankinship m. Albert Westall, my wife's parents). I do have a pretty fair account of Thomas Westall's life in Texas, the participation of him and his sons in a battle that preceded the formal war against Mexico, his death during the 1833 cholera epidemic. I had difficulty, however, getting much real detail of his sojourn in Tennessee. I also have a nice account of the role of Noble Bacchus Westall (William B.'s son) in the Civil War--and a lengthy diary account of the tragic early life of William Bacchus Westall, son of Noble B.'s brother Winfield Scott Westall. I enjoyed also digging out a few ancient (and tenuous) connections, including one back to Charlemagne (b. 747). However, this ties into the Westalls only via the Neta Jones who married my wife's paternal Westall grandfather. Others might pick up on the same descent if they have a connection to early Honeycutts or Stouts of the North Carolina area. I hope all of this foregoing has been more informative than confusing. Regards, Tom -- Tom Camfield 538 Calhoun St. Port Townsend WA 98368 Curmudgeon Emeritus School of Hard Knocks Tom, Thanks for the information. I mis-stated about my Grandmother. She was the daughter of Zebulon Vance Westall and Nettie (Jeanette) Goode. Zebulon was, I think, a twin of one of the children of Wm. B. and Eliza Angel. Zebulon was killed at a young age in a logging accident, leaving the one child, my grandmother Aura. Her mother, Jeanette moved back to McDowell County, NC and re-assumed her name of Goode for reasons I have not discovered. She is buried at Hicks Chapel Cemetery north of Marion on Hwy. 221. I think that this makes my great grandfather Zebulon, a half brother of Julia, Thomas Wolfe's mother. I believe she was one of the children of Wm. B. and his Penland wife. I have been intrigued by the old patriarch, Thomas's, adventure to Texas and his as one of Steven Austin's "Old 300." Thanks again for the information. If I have made any gross errors in the above relationships, I would be grateful for any corrections. Les Brown

Some of this version well could be. However, without digging back into research that I haven't much looked at since 1998, I believe Thomas Westall is found in the 1810 census in North Carolina, probably Buncombe County. There also are some property records in Buncombe County. There is no indication that he changed his name in Tennessee. I also have encountered the difficulty of the William McGillis Westall name. It appears from my research that William B. Westall somehow wound up as William M. Westall on his tombstone. I always suspected that he, like his father (who fled to Tennessee), had sort of given up the Brittain connection. Minor name changes were a common thing back in those early years. I've always figured the McGillis somehow came down in Thomas's ancestry, perhaps his mother's, and might have been his own middle name. In any case, I have a pretty good list of the children of William Brittain Westall, including an illegitimate first child spawned during his early traveling salesman years. My list agrees with a number of family researchers with whom I corresponded over the years (plus other sources). I have six children (plus the illegitimate daughter) by his first wife and 14 children by his (migawd! that poor woman) second wife (with a possibility of one more, by one account). However, nowhere among the many children on this list do Ifind an Aura Belle who would have been your grandmother. According to my information, you also would be ancient by now, with a grandmother born some time between 1828 and 1859 (the birth dates I have for Wm. B.'s legitimate children). I believe that author Thomas Wolfe (would have to check my own book) referred to his ancestor Thomas Westall from Winchester, Virginia. Regards, Tom -- Tom Camfield 538 Calhoun St. Port Townsend WA 98368 From: "Les Brown" <lesbrown@carolina.rr.com> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 16:48:12 -0400 To: <camfield@olympus.net> Subject: Westall Tom, Have you run down any new informaton about the early geneology of Thomas Westall? It was my understanding that he was originally named William McGillis Westall who came from the UK and began his family in Yancey Co. NC. He then left his first wife who last name was Brittain. He supposedly went to Tenn., changed his name to Thomas, married again and then went on to Texas. All I know for sure is that my grandmother, Aura Belle Westall was one of the children of William Brittain Westall from Yancey Co. NC. All indications are that he was named for his (Brittain) mother, wife of Wm. McGillis Westall, (Aka Thomas). Les Brown

Bob, In answer to your questions below, Middlesex no longer exists, most of it was absorbed into greater London, the rest went to neighbouring counties. "The square mile" is the City of London. There is of course also the city of Westminster, this is west of the City of London and covers a large part of what's known as the "West End". I guess there was only one parish in Chiswick at that time, I have not investigated the registers and am not in a position to do so at present, (I live NW of Oxford) about 60 miles from Chiswick - if the registers are still there. They have probably been moved to a records office in London for safe keeping but I have no information as to where. Over the years I have not been able to link my John W with any other family - perhaps this is the link I need. Clutching at straws I know !! Can anyone out there look in this register for me ? Mick W ----- Original Message ----- From: "bobatbmw" <bobatbmw@cox.net> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Thomnas Westall > Mick, > > Great post. I am just not sure how far London has grown. Middlesex no > longer exists as of 1889, right? It is now all considered Greater London? > In the 1750's or so was the City of London or London City about 1 mile > square or so? Questions! Questions! Questions! I believe my > G-G-Grandfather was born in London City in Nov. 1759! > > Mick, are you still in the London general area or at least close to there? > If Chiswick was just a small village ca. 1810/1830 could there be that > many > Parishes and Parish Registers? Do you think there could be a chance for > you > to go to Chiswick sometime in the future to see if your John Westall b ca. > 1812 could be a member of Thomas Westall (b 1786) family? If John was a > member of this family what a great win for you, Carmen and all Westall's > as > there are other Westall family members that could be a part of this > family? > > Is there any other member of the list that lives close to Chiswick? There > is at least a chance that this could be a huge break through? > > We are making good progress! It is like eating an elephant, one bite at a > time! It just happens to be one huge elephant! > > Regards to all Westall cousins! > > Bob Westall >

I still haven't found my Thomas Westall, father and son, in 1841 census. I was hoping to find a sibling or two for Thomas Westall jnr, born 2 May 1833, bap 19 April 1834, St Gile's Church, London. It would probably have been unlikely that he was an only child. His father Thomas Westall snr was born c 1804 - 1807, Reading, Berkshire. In 1851 they were living in Dudley Street as follows - Thomas Westall, Head, Widr, M, 45, Shoemaker, Berks, Reading Thomas Westall, Son, M, 17, Printer, Middx, St Giles Edmund Franklin, Nephew, Widr, M, 21, Shoemaker, Middx, St Giles Address 56, Dudley Street, St Giles in the Fields, Finsbury HO 107/1509 Folio 389 p12 Mick's family, John and Sarah Westall, were living at no 67, John also a shoemaker, so there may be a connection at some stage. I think Thomas Westall senior's wife was probably Maria Burden, from IGI and Pallott's marriage index, but Mick has her as Maria Franklin, I'm not sure where from, hope you can enlighten me, Mick. I cannot find any reference anywhere to a marriage between Thomas Westall and Maria Franklin. As you say, Bob, it is very much 'a soup sandwich' what age or place of birth will be given from one census to the next! Margaret ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Michael Westall" <l.m.westall@btinternet.com> Reply-To: westall@rootsweb.com To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Thomnas Westall Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 12:17:28 +0100 Hi all, In the UK in general, Parish Registers are the only records you can go on before 1837 for births. If my John was linked to this branch of the Westall's he would have left home by then - he was married 29 December 1829 and living in Lambeth at that time. The 1841 census shows him living in the St Giles area of Westminster, on this census he says he was 'not born in the county of London'. His entry in the 1851 census shows him still living in the St Giles area and states that he was born in the parish of 'St James', Westminster' - he is not shown in their parish registers between 1807 and 1815, I have checked them for myself. In the 1861 census he is still in the same place and gives 'London' as his place of birth. He died in 1864. It is very possible that he did not originate from London, I have checked the IGI and other sources far and wide without finding any clues. Chiswick is now a fully built up part of London - it developed from a small village mainly in the 19th centaury and would have been in the county of Middlesex in the early 1800's. It is only 6 miles west of the parish of Westminster and it is quite possible that he could have migrated from there. It is a coincidence that I lived in Barnes on the other side of the river Thames from Chiswick from 1934 until 1950 - well before I took up genealogy as a hobby ! (I started in 1970 - after my grandfather Westall died at the age of 103). Mick ----- Original Message ----- From: "bobatbmw" <bobatbmw@cox.net> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Thomnas Westall > Mick, > > That is the tough question? As we are aware things changed as to how > records were kept in the 1830's. I think myself quite fortunate to have > come up with Catherine age 12 or so in the 1841 census and her parents. I > feel quite confident it is a match because her future husband was living > with her parents at the time. Like Thomas b 1818 and Mary Ann b 1815 your > John Westall b ca. 1812 had already moved away from mom and dad so it > really > makes things much tougher! > > When you say Westminster is not very far from Chiswick, just what do you > mean by how far? Also where did you find his birthplace as Westminster? > As > we are both aware people change their place of birth from census to census > just as they may alter their age as well! > > Genealogy is truly a soup sandwich and I guess that is what keeps me > coming > back to it. That and the fact that people have asked for assistance with > their families which is very hard for me to turn down. When I started my > genealogy research out years ago people were so gracious and outgoing with > their assistance to me I feel greatly obliged to "Pass it on" if at all > possible! > > Is there anyone on the list that lives anywhere near Chiswick? It appears > to be a very small community which is very close to the Thames River and > less than 3 miles from Richmond. In the other direction it looks to be 6 > to > 8 miles from Hampstead! > > I do not have anything firm on Thomas'(b 1818)place of marriage to > Elizabeth > Swain but Mary Ann Westall m Samuel Snell (b 1806 in Falham, Middlesex, > Eng) > in the 2nd Quarter of 1840 in Kensington, Middlesex, Eng. I got this from > www.rootsweb.com Free BirthMarriageDeath. It may not be etched in stone > but > man it sure fits like a glove! > > Thomas' first child was Elizabeth b 1837 which would mean the marriage > took > place outside of the newer records I believe! :-( > > As ever so many questions and so very few answers! > > Does anyone have any thoughts at all. If so please email the list as > every > thought might be the one that opens the door! > > Mick, as ever good hearing from you! > > Warmest regards to all Westall cousins! > > Bob Westall > > > -----Original Message----- > From: westall-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:westall-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of Michael Westall > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 5:45 AM > To: westall@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Thomnas Westall > > Hi, Bob and all list members, > > Yes I have been following this. > > I wonder if there is any evidence of siblings earlier than Mary Ann born > 1816. Thomas and Catherine would both have been 30 in 1816. > My John Westalls census details say he was born around 1812, allegedly in > Westminster. This is not very far from Chiswick and there could be a link > although at that time Chiswick was a small village outside London. > > Is there any evidence of when and where Thomas and Catherine were married? > > Mick W > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bobatbmw" <bobatbmw@cox.net> > To: "WESTALL Mailing List" <WESTALL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 6:05 PM > Subject: [WESTALL] Thomnas Westall > > >> Hi everyone, >> >> If you have followed the dialogue about Thomas Westall b 1786 in >> Chiswick, >> Middlesex, Eng I would appreciate if you would check your family >> information >> to see if there is any chance he may touch your particular family! >> >> Thomas wife was Catherine born 1786 in England. Their children were: >> >> Mary Ann Westall..b 1816 >> Thomas Westall..b 1818 >> Catherine Westall..b 1827 >> >> There could have been more children but to date this is all I can come up >> with! These three children were also born in Chiswick, Middlesex, Eng. >> >> Mick, your John Westall was b 1813 in St James's Parish, Westminster, >> London, Eng. What do you think? >> >> Carmen, I found this in Free BMD could this be Thomas Westall b 1818: >> >> Deaths Jun 1901 >> Westall Thomas W. Ham 4a 40 >> The district W. Ham is an alternative name for West Ham and it spans the >> boundaries of the counties of Essex and Greater London? >> >> Any thoughts or suggestions by any list member would be greatly >> appreciated. >> >> >> Bob >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Margaret, All told I have some 30 different Westall Family groups totaling well over 25,000 family members from all over the world.. Each time I work on a family, such as, Carmen's Thomas b 1818 Chiswick, Middlesex I review every other relevant Family in case there could be a possible fit? A case in point would be checking with Mick and his John b 1812 in Westminster. I also reviewed your Thomas but his place of Birth, Reading, Berks precluded him as an immediate suspect for this family I believed! Genealogy is really more of an art than an absolute "Science" to me! Within the Westall family there been very heated debates as to who was the father or husband to a given individual. I try not to take sides but none of us were standing there when an event happened 100+ years ago. It amazes me how facts change from census to census (as Mick noted earlier). I have had family members refer to an Aunt or Uncle's letter as gospel when it was written 30 or 40 years after the fact! :-( What we are trying to do is really quite a "Herculean Task" and I am proud of all of the effort that has put forth by so many of us! Keep up the great work everyone! No matter how small a fact or thought you might have that may be the thought that helps someone else! Regards to all, Bob Westall List Administrator -----Original Message----- From: westall-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:westall-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of margaret wilkinson Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 9:02 AM To: westall@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Thomas Westall I still haven't found my Thomas Westall, father and son, in 1841 census. I was hoping to find a sibling or two for Thomas Westall jnr, born 2 May 1833, bap 19 April 1834, St Gile's Church, London. It would probably have been unlikely that he was an only child. His father Thomas Westall snr was born c 1804 - 1807, Reading, Berkshire. In 1851 they were living in Dudley Street as follows - Thomas Westall, Head, Widr, M, 45, Shoemaker, Berks, Reading Thomas Westall, Son, M, 17, Printer, Middx, St Giles Edmund Franklin, Nephew, Widr, M, 21, Shoemaker, Middx, St Giles Address 56, Dudley Street, St Giles in the Fields, Finsbury HO 107/1509 Folio 389 p12 Mick's family, John and Sarah Westall, were living at no 67, John also a shoemaker, so there may be a connection at some stage. I think Thomas Westall senior's wife was probably Maria Burden, from IGI and Pallott's marriage index, but Mick has her as Maria Franklin, I'm not sure where from, hope you can enlighten me, Mick. I cannot find any reference anywhere to a marriage between Thomas Westall and Maria Franklin. As you say, Bob, it is very much 'a soup sandwich' what age or place of birth will be given from one census to the next! Margaret ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Michael Westall" <l.m.westall@btinternet.com> Reply-To: westall@rootsweb.com To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Thomnas Westall Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 12:17:28 +0100 Hi all, In the UK in general, Parish Registers are the only records you can go on before 1837 for births. If my John was linked to this branch of the Westall's he would have left home by then - he was married 29 December 1829 and living in Lambeth at that time. The 1841 census shows him living in the St Giles area of Westminster, on this census he says he was 'not born in the county of London'. His entry in the 1851 census shows him still living in the St Giles area and states that he was born in the parish of 'St James', Westminster' - he is not shown in their parish registers between 1807 and 1815, I have checked them for myself. In the 1861 census he is still in the same place and gives 'London' as his place of birth. He died in 1864. It is very possible that he did not originate from London, I have checked the IGI and other sources far and wide without finding any clues. Chiswick is now a fully built up part of London - it developed from a small village mainly in the 19th centaury and would have been in the county of Middlesex in the early 1800's. It is only 6 miles west of the parish of Westminster and it is quite possible that he could have migrated from there. It is a coincidence that I lived in Barnes on the other side of the river Thames from Chiswick from 1934 until 1950 - well before I took up genealogy as a hobby ! (I started in 1970 - after my grandfather Westall died at the age of 103). Mick ----- Original Message ----- From: "bobatbmw" <bobatbmw@cox.net> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Thomnas Westall > Mick, > > That is the tough question? As we are aware things changed as to how > records were kept in the 1830's. I think myself quite fortunate to have > come up with Catherine age 12 or so in the 1841 census and her parents. I > feel quite confident it is a match because her future husband was living > with her parents at the time. Like Thomas b 1818 and Mary Ann b 1815 your > John Westall b ca. 1812 had already moved away from mom and dad so it > really > makes things much tougher! > > When you say Westminster is not very far from Chiswick, just what do you > mean by how far? Also where did you find his birthplace as Westminster? > As > we are both aware people change their place of birth from census to census > just as they may alter their age as well! > > Genealogy is truly a soup sandwich and I guess that is what keeps me > coming > back to it. That and the fact that people have asked for assistance with > their families which is very hard for me to turn down. When I started my > genealogy research out years ago people were so gracious and outgoing with > their assistance to me I feel greatly obliged to "Pass it on" if at all > possible! > > Is there anyone on the list that lives anywhere near Chiswick? It appears > to be a very small community which is very close to the Thames River and > less than 3 miles from Richmond. In the other direction it looks to be 6 > to > 8 miles from Hampstead! > > I do not have anything firm on Thomas'(b 1818)place of marriage to > Elizabeth > Swain but Mary Ann Westall m Samuel Snell (b 1806 in Falham, Middlesex, > Eng) > in the 2nd Quarter of 1840 in Kensington, Middlesex, Eng. I got this from > www.rootsweb.com Free BirthMarriageDeath. It may not be etched in stone > but > man it sure fits like a glove! > > Thomas' first child was Elizabeth b 1837 which would mean the marriage > took > place outside of the newer records I believe! :-( > > As ever so many questions and so very few answers! > > Does anyone have any thoughts at all. If so please email the list as > every > thought might be the one that opens the door! > > Mick, as ever good hearing from you! > > Warmest regards to all Westall cousins! > > Bob Westall > > > -----Original Message----- > From: westall-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:westall-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of Michael Westall > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 5:45 AM > To: westall@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Thomnas Westall > > Hi, Bob and all list members, > > Yes I have been following this. > > I wonder if there is any evidence of siblings earlier than Mary Ann born > 1816. Thomas and Catherine would both have been 30 in 1816. > My John Westalls census details say he was born around 1812, allegedly in > Westminster. This is not very far from Chiswick and there could be a link > although at that time Chiswick was a small village outside London. > > Is there any evidence of when and where Thomas and Catherine were married? > > Mick W > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bobatbmw" <bobatbmw@cox.net> > To: "WESTALL Mailing List" <WESTALL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 6:05 PM > Subject: [WESTALL] Thomnas Westall > > >> Hi everyone, >> >> If you have followed the dialogue about Thomas Westall b 1786 in >> Chiswick, >> Middlesex, Eng I would appreciate if you would check your family >> information >> to see if there is any chance he may touch your particular family! >> >> Thomas wife was Catherine born 1786 in England. Their children were: >> >> Mary Ann Westall..b 1816 >> Thomas Westall..b 1818 >> Catherine Westall..b 1827 >> >> There could have been more children but to date this is all I can come up >> with! These three children were also born in Chiswick, Middlesex, Eng. >> >> Mick, your John Westall was b 1813 in St James's Parish, Westminster, >> London, Eng. What do you think? >> >> Carmen, I found this in Free BMD could this be Thomas Westall b 1818: >> >> Deaths Jun 1901 >> Westall Thomas W. Ham 4a 40 >> The district W. Ham is an alternative name for West Ham and it spans the >> boundaries of the counties of Essex and Greater London? >> >> Any thoughts or suggestions by any list member would be greatly >> appreciated. >> >> >> Bob >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mick, Great post. I am just not sure how far London has grown. Middlesex no longer exists as of 1889, right? It is now all considered Greater London? In the 1750's or so was the City of London or London City about 1 mile square or so? Questions! Questions! Questions! I believe my G-G-Grandfather was born in London City in Nov. 1759! Mick, are you still in the London general area or at least close to there? If Chiswick was just a small village ca. 1810/1830 could there be that many Parishes and Parish Registers? Do you think there could be a chance for you to go to Chiswick sometime in the future to see if your John Westall b ca. 1812 could be a member of Thomas Westall (b 1786) family? If John was a member of this family what a great win for you, Carmen and all Westall's as there are other Westall family members that could be a part of this family? Is there any other member of the list that lives close to Chiswick? There is at least a chance that this could be a huge break through? We are making good progress! It is like eating an elephant, one bite at a time! It just happens to be one huge elephant! Regards to all Westall cousins! Bob Westall -----Original Message----- From: westall-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:westall-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael Westall Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 7:17 AM To: westall@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Thomnas Westall Hi all, In the UK in general, Parish Registers are the only records you can go on before 1837 for births. If my John was linked to this branch of the Westall's he would have left home by then - he was married 29 December 1829 and living in Lambeth at that time. The 1841 census shows him living in the St Giles area of Westminster, on this census he says he was 'not born in the county of London'. His entry in the 1851 census shows him still living in the St Giles area and states that he was born in the parish of 'St James', Westminster' - he is not shown in their parish registers between 1807 and 1815, I have checked them for myself. In the 1861 census he is still in the same place and gives 'London' as his place of birth. He died in 1864. It is very possible that he did not originate from London, I have checked the IGI and other sources far and wide without finding any clues. Chiswick is now a fully built up part of London - it developed from a small village mainly in the 19th centaury and would have been in the county of Middlesex in the early 1800's. It is only 6 miles west of the parish of Westminster and it is quite possible that he could have migrated from there. It is a coincidence that I lived in Barnes on the other side of the river Thames from Chiswick from 1934 until 1950 - well before I took up genealogy as a hobby ! (I started in 1970 - after my grandfather Westall died at the age of 103). Mick ----- Original Message ----- From: "bobatbmw" <bobatbmw@cox.net> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Thomnas Westall > Mick, > > That is the tough question? As we are aware things changed as to how > records were kept in the 1830's. I think myself quite fortunate to have > come up with Catherine age 12 or so in the 1841 census and her parents. I > feel quite confident it is a match because her future husband was living > with her parents at the time. Like Thomas b 1818 and Mary Ann b 1815 your > John Westall b ca. 1812 had already moved away from mom and dad so it > really > makes things much tougher! > > When you say Westminster is not very far from Chiswick, just what do you > mean by how far? Also where did you find his birthplace as Westminster? > As > we are both aware people change their place of birth from census to census > just as they may alter their age as well! > > Genealogy is truly a soup sandwich and I guess that is what keeps me > coming > back to it. That and the fact that people have asked for assistance with > their families which is very hard for me to turn down. When I started my > genealogy research out years ago people were so gracious and outgoing with > their assistance to me I feel greatly obliged to "Pass it on" if at all > possible! > > Is there anyone on the list that lives anywhere near Chiswick? It appears > to be a very small community which is very close to the Thames River and > less than 3 miles from Richmond. In the other direction it looks to be 6 > to > 8 miles from Hampstead! > > I do not have anything firm on Thomas'(b 1818)place of marriage to > Elizabeth > Swain but Mary Ann Westall m Samuel Snell (b 1806 in Falham, Middlesex, > Eng) > in the 2nd Quarter of 1840 in Kensington, Middlesex, Eng. I got this from > www.rootsweb.com Free BirthMarriageDeath. It may not be etched in stone > but > man it sure fits like a glove! > > Thomas' first child was Elizabeth b 1837 which would mean the marriage > took > place outside of the newer records I believe! :-( > > As ever so many questions and so very few answers! > > Does anyone have any thoughts at all. If so please email the list as > every > thought might be the one that opens the door! > > Mick, as ever good hearing from you! > > Warmest regards to all Westall cousins! > > Bob Westall > > > -----Original Message----- > From: westall-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:westall-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of Michael Westall > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 5:45 AM > To: westall@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Thomnas Westall > > Hi, Bob and all list members, > > Yes I have been following this. > > I wonder if there is any evidence of siblings earlier than Mary Ann born > 1816. Thomas and Catherine would both have been 30 in 1816. > My John Westalls census details say he was born around 1812, allegedly in > Westminster. This is not very far from Chiswick and there could be a link > although at that time Chiswick was a small village outside London. > > Is there any evidence of when and where Thomas and Catherine were married? > > Mick W > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bobatbmw" <bobatbmw@cox.net> > To: "WESTALL Mailing List" <WESTALL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 6:05 PM > Subject: [WESTALL] Thomnas Westall > > >> Hi everyone, >> >> If you have followed the dialogue about Thomas Westall b 1786 in >> Chiswick, >> Middlesex, Eng I would appreciate if you would check your family >> information >> to see if there is any chance he may touch your particular family! >> >> Thomas wife was Catherine born 1786 in England. Their children were: >> >> Mary Ann Westall..b 1816 >> Thomas Westall..b 1818 >> Catherine Westall..b 1827 >> >> There could have been more children but to date this is all I can come up >> with! These three children were also born in Chiswick, Middlesex, Eng. >> >> Mick, your John Westall was b 1813 in St James's Parish, Westminster, >> London, Eng. What do you think? >> >> Carmen, I found this in Free BMD could this be Thomas Westall b 1818: >> >> Deaths Jun 1901 >> Westall Thomas W. Ham 4a 40 >> The district W. Ham is an alternative name for West Ham and it spans the >> boundaries of the counties of Essex and Greater London? >> >> Any thoughts or suggestions by any list member would be greatly >> appreciated. >> >> >> Bob >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, In the UK in general, Parish Registers are the only records you can go on before 1837 for births. If my John was linked to this branch of the Westall's he would have left home by then - he was married 29 December 1829 and living in Lambeth at that time. The 1841 census shows him living in the St Giles area of Westminster, on this census he says he was 'not born in the county of London'. His entry in the 1851 census shows him still living in the St Giles area and states that he was born in the parish of 'St James', Westminster' - he is not shown in their parish registers between 1807 and 1815, I have checked them for myself. In the 1861 census he is still in the same place and gives 'London' as his place of birth. He died in 1864. It is very possible that he did not originate from London, I have checked the IGI and other sources far and wide without finding any clues. Chiswick is now a fully built up part of London - it developed from a small village mainly in the 19th centaury and would have been in the county of Middlesex in the early 1800's. It is only 6 miles west of the parish of Westminster and it is quite possible that he could have migrated from there. It is a coincidence that I lived in Barnes on the other side of the river Thames from Chiswick from 1934 until 1950 - well before I took up genealogy as a hobby ! (I started in 1970 - after my grandfather Westall died at the age of 103). Mick ----- Original Message ----- From: "bobatbmw" <bobatbmw@cox.net> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Thomnas Westall > Mick, > > That is the tough question? As we are aware things changed as to how > records were kept in the 1830's. I think myself quite fortunate to have > come up with Catherine age 12 or so in the 1841 census and her parents. I > feel quite confident it is a match because her future husband was living > with her parents at the time. Like Thomas b 1818 and Mary Ann b 1815 your > John Westall b ca. 1812 had already moved away from mom and dad so it > really > makes things much tougher! > > When you say Westminster is not very far from Chiswick, just what do you > mean by how far? Also where did you find his birthplace as Westminster? > As > we are both aware people change their place of birth from census to census > just as they may alter their age as well! > > Genealogy is truly a soup sandwich and I guess that is what keeps me > coming > back to it. That and the fact that people have asked for assistance with > their families which is very hard for me to turn down. When I started my > genealogy research out years ago people were so gracious and outgoing with > their assistance to me I feel greatly obliged to "Pass it on" if at all > possible! > > Is there anyone on the list that lives anywhere near Chiswick? It appears > to be a very small community which is very close to the Thames River and > less than 3 miles from Richmond. In the other direction it looks to be 6 > to > 8 miles from Hampstead! > > I do not have anything firm on Thomas'(b 1818)place of marriage to > Elizabeth > Swain but Mary Ann Westall m Samuel Snell (b 1806 in Falham, Middlesex, > Eng) > in the 2nd Quarter of 1840 in Kensington, Middlesex, Eng. I got this from > www.rootsweb.com Free BirthMarriageDeath. It may not be etched in stone > but > man it sure fits like a glove! > > Thomas' first child was Elizabeth b 1837 which would mean the marriage > took > place outside of the newer records I believe! :-( > > As ever so many questions and so very few answers! > > Does anyone have any thoughts at all. If so please email the list as > every > thought might be the one that opens the door! > > Mick, as ever good hearing from you! > > Warmest regards to all Westall cousins! > > Bob Westall > > > -----Original Message----- > From: westall-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:westall-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of Michael Westall > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 5:45 AM > To: westall@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Thomnas Westall > > Hi, Bob and all list members, > > Yes I have been following this. > > I wonder if there is any evidence of siblings earlier than Mary Ann born > 1816. Thomas and Catherine would both have been 30 in 1816. > My John Westalls census details say he was born around 1812, allegedly in > Westminster. This is not very far from Chiswick and there could be a link > although at that time Chiswick was a small village outside London. > > Is there any evidence of when and where Thomas and Catherine were married? > > Mick W > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bobatbmw" <bobatbmw@cox.net> > To: "WESTALL Mailing List" <WESTALL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 6:05 PM > Subject: [WESTALL] Thomnas Westall > > >> Hi everyone, >> >> If you have followed the dialogue about Thomas Westall b 1786 in >> Chiswick, >> Middlesex, Eng I would appreciate if you would check your family >> information >> to see if there is any chance he may touch your particular family! >> >> Thomas wife was Catherine born 1786 in England. Their children were: >> >> Mary Ann Westall..b 1816 >> Thomas Westall..b 1818 >> Catherine Westall..b 1827 >> >> There could have been more children but to date this is all I can come up >> with! These three children were also born in Chiswick, Middlesex, Eng. >> >> Mick, your John Westall was b 1813 in St James's Parish, Westminster, >> London, Eng. What do you think? >> >> Carmen, I found this in Free BMD could this be Thomas Westall b 1818: >> >> Deaths Jun 1901 >> Westall Thomas W. Ham 4a 40 >> The district W. Ham is an alternative name for West Ham and it spans the >> boundaries of the counties of Essex and Greater London? >> >> Any thoughts or suggestions by any list member would be greatly >> appreciated. >> >> >> Bob >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I continue to search for Thomas Westall (died in Texas, 1833), an apparent widower from Virginia who wandered into Buncombe County, North Carolina, several children in tow, and married young Mary Brittain there in 1804. He sired a son by her (William Brittain Westall). Many confuse Wm. B. with Thomas, the father--but William remained in the Buncombe/Burke/Yancey County area over the years, after Thomas left his wife and young William in 1811 and moved on to Tennessee. Thomas remarried there (to Sarah Henry, his third wife) and sired more children before moving on into Texas, then Mexican territory, as part of the early Austin settlement. He operated a plantation there, raising cotton, until becoming one of the victims of cholera during the devastating epidemic of 1833, shortly before the War with Mexico. I have never been able to find any records of Thomas Westall in Virginia, where he supposedly located in the Winchester area before drifting to North Carolina. When he moved on to Tennessee, he was coincidentally located there in Winchester, Franklin County. I don't have a clue to Thomas's ancestry--other than one tenuous, undocumented family legend that his father's name was Andrew (also the given name of one of his sons by an unknown first wife), possibly a Scotsman. Any assistances always is welcome, and I am happy to share whatever information I do have on this family, which has been printed up in book form. Regards, Tom -- Tom Camfield 538 Calhoun St. Port Townsend WA 98368

Mick, That is the tough question? As we are aware things changed as to how records were kept in the 1830's. I think myself quite fortunate to have come up with Catherine age 12 or so in the 1841 census and her parents. I feel quite confident it is a match because her future husband was living with her parents at the time. Like Thomas b 1818 and Mary Ann b 1815 your John Westall b ca. 1812 had already moved away from mom and dad so it really makes things much tougher! When you say Westminster is not very far from Chiswick, just what do you mean by how far? Also where did you find his birthplace as Westminster? As we are both aware people change their place of birth from census to census just as they may alter their age as well! Genealogy is truly a soup sandwich and I guess that is what keeps me coming back to it. That and the fact that people have asked for assistance with their families which is very hard for me to turn down. When I started my genealogy research out years ago people were so gracious and outgoing with their assistance to me I feel greatly obliged to "Pass it on" if at all possible! Is there anyone on the list that lives anywhere near Chiswick? It appears to be a very small community which is very close to the Thames River and less than 3 miles from Richmond. In the other direction it looks to be 6 to 8 miles from Hampstead! I do not have anything firm on Thomas'(b 1818)place of marriage to Elizabeth Swain but Mary Ann Westall m Samuel Snell (b 1806 in Falham, Middlesex, Eng) in the 2nd Quarter of 1840 in Kensington, Middlesex, Eng. I got this from www.rootsweb.com Free BirthMarriageDeath. It may not be etched in stone but man it sure fits like a glove! Thomas' first child was Elizabeth b 1837 which would mean the marriage took place outside of the newer records I believe! :-( As ever so many questions and so very few answers! Does anyone have any thoughts at all. If so please email the list as every thought might be the one that opens the door! Mick, as ever good hearing from you! Warmest regards to all Westall cousins! Bob Westall -----Original Message----- From: westall-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:westall-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael Westall Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 5:45 AM To: westall@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Thomnas Westall Hi, Bob and all list members, Yes I have been following this. I wonder if there is any evidence of siblings earlier than Mary Ann born 1816. Thomas and Catherine would both have been 30 in 1816. My John Westalls census details say he was born around 1812, allegedly in Westminster. This is not very far from Chiswick and there could be a link although at that time Chiswick was a small village outside London. Is there any evidence of when and where Thomas and Catherine were married? Mick W ----- Original Message ----- From: "bobatbmw" <bobatbmw@cox.net> To: "WESTALL Mailing List" <WESTALL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 6:05 PM Subject: [WESTALL] Thomnas Westall > Hi everyone, > > If you have followed the dialogue about Thomas Westall b 1786 in Chiswick, > Middlesex, Eng I would appreciate if you would check your family > information > to see if there is any chance he may touch your particular family! > > Thomas wife was Catherine born 1786 in England. Their children were: > > Mary Ann Westall..b 1816 > Thomas Westall..b 1818 > Catherine Westall..b 1827 > > There could have been more children but to date this is all I can come up > with! These three children were also born in Chiswick, Middlesex, Eng. > > Mick, your John Westall was b 1813 in St James's Parish, Westminster, > London, Eng. What do you think? > > Carmen, I found this in Free BMD could this be Thomas Westall b 1818: > > Deaths Jun 1901 > Westall Thomas W. Ham 4a 40 > The district W. Ham is an alternative name for West Ham and it spans the > boundaries of the counties of Essex and Greater London? > > Any thoughts or suggestions by any list member would be greatly > appreciated. > > > Bob > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Bob and all list members, Yes I have been following this. I wonder if there is any evidence of siblings earlier than Mary Ann born 1816. Thomas and Catherine would both have been 30 in 1816. My John Westalls census details say he was born around 1812, allegedly in Westminster. This is not very far from Chiswick and there could be a link although at that time Chiswick was a small village outside London. Is there any evidence of when and where Thomas and Catherine were married? Mick W ----- Original Message ----- From: "bobatbmw" <bobatbmw@cox.net> To: "WESTALL Mailing List" <WESTALL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 6:05 PM Subject: [WESTALL] Thomnas Westall > Hi everyone, > > If you have followed the dialogue about Thomas Westall b 1786 in Chiswick, > Middlesex, Eng I would appreciate if you would check your family > information > to see if there is any chance he may touch your particular family! > > Thomas wife was Catherine born 1786 in England. Their children were: > > Mary Ann Westall..b 1816 > Thomas Westall..b 1818 > Catherine Westall..b 1827 > > There could have been more children but to date this is all I can come up > with! These three children were also born in Chiswick, Middlesex, Eng. > > Mick, your John Westall was b 1813 in St James's Parish, Westminster, > London, Eng. What do you think? > > Carmen, I found this in Free BMD could this be Thomas Westall b 1818: > > Deaths Jun 1901 > Westall Thomas W. Ham 4a 40 > The district W. Ham is an alternative name for West Ham and it spans the > boundaries of the counties of Essex and Greater London? > > Any thoughts or suggestions by any list member would be greatly > appreciated. > > > Bob > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi everyone, I have done this before in the USA Federal census but never in the British Census. Put the name Westall in the First or Given name box and nothing else! The first time I did this I was quite amazed at what I found! There were a bunch of people with the first or second given name of Westall. It takes a little effort but I have actually worked backward and found the Westall back in their ancestors and have tied them to a Westall Family. Just for the heck of it, try it. :-) Bob Westall

Hi everyone, If you have followed the dialogue about Thomas Westall b 1786 in Chiswick, Middlesex, Eng I would appreciate if you would check your family information to see if there is any chance he may touch your particular family! Thomas wife was Catherine born 1786 in England. Their children were: Mary Ann Westall..b 1816 Thomas Westall..b 1818 Catherine Westall..b 1827 There could have been more children but to date this is all I can come up with! These three children were also born in Chiswick, Middlesex, Eng. Mick, your John Westall was b 1813 in St James's Parish, Westminster, London, Eng. What do you think? Carmen, I found this in Free BMD could this be Thomas Westall b 1818: Deaths Jun 1901 Westall Thomas W. Ham 4a 40 The district W. Ham is an alternative name for West Ham and it spans the boundaries of the counties of Essex and Greater London? Any thoughts or suggestions by any list member would be greatly appreciated. Bob

Carmen, The following is what I have come up with relative to Mary Ann Snell? It would appear her husband was Samuel b 1805 in Fulham, Middlesex. I believe he died about a year before Thomas wrote his Will in Oct of 1877! As you can note Mary Ann died some 4 years later, also in Lambeth? What appears to be the same couple in the 1851 census show the following children: John......age 7 Mary Ann...age 7 Ellen.....age 3 Samuel....age 1 I have yet to find the couple at all in the 1861 census! Does this make sense with the info you already have? Bob Descendants of Samuel Snell Generation No. 1 1. SAMUEL1 SNELL was born 1806 in Falham, Middlesex, Eng, and died Bet. Oct - Dec 1886 in Lambeth, Surrey, Eng. He married MARY ANN WESTALL Bet. Apr - Jun 1840 in Kensington, Middlesex, Eng, daughter of THOMAS WESTALL and CATHERINE. She was born 1816 in Chiswick, Middlesex, Eng, and died Bet. Oct - Dec 1890 in Lambeth, Surrey, Eng. Notes for SAMUEL SNELL: Taken from the 1851 British Census Name: Samuel Snell Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Mariah Gender: Male Where born: Fulham, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Westminster St John the Evangelist Ecclesiastical parish: St John County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: 31 Lufton St. Occupation: Lighterman Condition as to marriage: Married Registration district: Westminster Sub-registration district: St John ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Household schedule number: 298 Samuel Snell Head..Mar..45..Lighterman..Fulham, Middlesex Mariah Wife..Mar...35..??????.............. ################################# Taken from the 1871 British Census Name: Samuel Snell Age: 65 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Mary Ann Gender: Male Where born: Fulham Civil Parish: St John The Evangelist Ecclesiastical parish: St John County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 12 wood St. Occupation: Waterman Condition as to marriage: Married Registration district: St George Hanover Square Sub-registration district: St John Westminster ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 12 Samuel Snell Head..Mar..65..Waterman..Fulham Mary Ann Wife..Mar...55....................New Castle on Tyne ############################### Taken from the 1881 British Census Name: Samuel Snell Age: 75 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Mary Gender: Male Where Born: Falham, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Lambeth County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 23 Henry Street Condition as to marriage: Married Registration district: Lambeth Sub registration district: Kennington First ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Samuel Snell 75..Mar..Middlesex, Falham Mary Ann 65..Mar..Middlesex, ChiswiK ################################## Taken from Free BMD Deaths Dec 1886 Snell, Samuel age 81 Lambeth Vol. 1d, Page 286 The district Lambeth spans the boundaries of the counties of Greater London, London and Surrey Notes for MARY ANN WESTALL: Taken from the 1871 British Census Name: Mary Ann Snell Age: 55 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816 Relation: Wife Spouses's Name: Samuel Gender: Female Where born: Newcastle Upon Tyne Civil Parish: St John The Evangelist Ecclesiastical parish: St John County/Island: London Country: England Condition as to marriage: Married Disability: View image Registration district: St George Hanover Square Sub-registration district: St John Westminster ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Household schedule number: 12 ################################# Taken from the 1881 British Census Name: Mary Snell Age: 65 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816 Relation: Wife Spouses's Name: Samuel Gender: Female Where Born: Chiswick, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Lambeth County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 23 Henry Street Condition as to marriage: Married Registration district: Lambeth Sub registration district: Kennington First ED, institution, or vessel: 8 ################################### Taken from Free BMD Deaths Dec 1890 Snell Mary Ann 75 Lambeth 1d 313 Marriage Notes for SAMUEL SNELL and MARY WESTALL: Taken from Free BMD Marriages Jun 1840 SNELL Samuel Kensington 3 208 WESTALL Mary Ann Kensington 3 208 The district Kensington spans the boundaries of the counties of Greater London, London and Middlesex

Carmen, As you requested I have added you to the WESTALL-L@rootsweb.com membership! I hope those members reading this correspondence can be of assistance to us! In your first email to me you said "I am a Westall. My family tree I can trace back as far as Thomas Westall born 1818. He married twice (few descendants know that). 1st wife was Elizabeth, second was Sarah Ann Banister". From Thomas' Will where he mentioned his sister Catherine Finter I went back to Free BMD and came up with the fact that she married William Finter Bet. Jul - Sep 1843 in Richmond Sry, Surrey, Eng. That would seem to jive with the fact that their first born, William Westall Finter was b Bet. Jan - Mar 1845 in Hawley, Suffolk, Eng. Anyway, realizing that Catherine was only 24 in the 1851 census I looked for her at age 12 or so in the 1841 census. I believe I found her living with her parents, Thomas b 1786 and Cantherine b 1786 Westall in District 6, Chiswick, Middlesex, England. Please take special note as William Pinter or maybe Finter, Catherine's future husband was living in the house also age 15 at the time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Taken from the 1841 British census Name: Thomas Westall Age: 55 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1786 Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Middlesex, England Civil parish: Chiswick Hundred: Ossulstone (Kensington Division) County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: Occupation: View image Source information: HO107/689/3 Registration district: Brentford Sub-registration district: Chiswick ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Folio: 30 Page: 15 (click to see others on page) Line number: 19 GSU Number: 438805 Thomas Westall 55..Gardner.........Yes (Middlesex) Catherine 55..?????............No Catherine 15..??p Maker.....Yes (Middlesex) Ann Connell 40..F, ???............Ireland William Pinter 15..Brick ?? Lab...Yes (Middlesex) Also below I have Catherine Westall/Finter's 1841 census and her 1851 as Mrs. William Finter and children. Taken from the 1841 British Census Name: Catharine Westall Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Household: View other family members Gender: Female Where born: Middlesex, England Civil parish: Chiswick Hundred: Ossulstone (Kensington Division) County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: 3 Aston Buildings Marriage Status: Single Source information: HO107/689/3 Registration district: Brentford Sub-registration district: Chiswick ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Folio: 30 Page: 15 (click to see others on page) Line number: 21 GSU Number: 438805 ################################## Taken from the 1851 British census Name: Catherine Finter Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827 Relation: Wife Gender: Female Where born: Cheswick, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Islington Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: 3 Aston Buildings Condition as to marriage: Married Registration district: Islington Sub-registration district: Islington East ED, institution, or vessel: 17 Household schedule number: 44 Catherine Finter 24..Mar..???p Maker..Chiswick, Middlesex William 6..S..........................Stow, Suffolk Catherine 4..S..........................Chiswick, Middlesex Edward 2..S...........................Tatbury, Staffordshire John 7 Mos..S............................Islington, Middlesex I hope this makes sense. By the way, I still have not found Mary Ann Snell and husband but will keep looking. Can you give me a first name for him? I look forward to your comments. Bob

Carmen, I have a few questions I hope you can assist me with. 1. Did Sarah Ann Westall die in the Fulham district which spans the boundaries of the counties of Greater London, London and Middlesex. It shows such a record in www.rootsweb.com to have occurred in the April to June Quarter of 1876 as noted in Free BMD? In the 1881 census Thomas' status shows him as a widower. 2. In www.familysearch.org it shows that THOMAS JAMES BANNISTER WESTHALL was born 16 JUL 1853 and that he was baptized 07 AUG 1853, at Saint Andrew, Holborn, London, England. It also notes his parents as Thomas and Sarah Ann Westall. 3 In Thomas' will you emailed me it refers to his sisters Mary Ann Snell and Chatherine Pointen(sp). Did I read this correctly. If they are both his sisters this might help us come up with his parents? There are other names in the will that I am not sure of or their relationship to Thomas. Do you know who all of the people are and how to correctly spell their names? Have you had the will transcribed so that you can correctly read it? 4. In the 1851 Census it shows Thomas wife as "Ann" not Elizabeth! Also note it shows an Elizabeth born 1837 and an Eliza born 1844. Were both of these girls from Thomas' first wife? Taken from the 1851 British Census Name: Thomas Westall Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Ann Gender: Male Where born: Chiswick, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Hammersmith Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: 19 Bannisters Cottages Occupation: Omnibus Conductor Condition as to marriage: Married Registration district: Kensington Sub-registration district: St Paul Hammersmith ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 40 Thomas Westall Head..Marr..33..Omnibus Conductor.. Chiswick, Middlesex Ann Wife..Marr..33......................Devon, Exmouth Elizabeth Dau...S.....13......................Kensington, Middlesex Eliza Dau...S......7......................Kensington, Middlesex Ann Dau...S......1......................Shipr Bush, Middlesex 5. Like many others Thomas relates he was born in different towns in different census but always in Middlesex. The town he relates as his place of birth the most is Chiswick, Middlesex, Eng. In the 1891 census he said he was born in Shotwick, and in the 1881 census it shows Farnham Green. All I believe in Middlesex but do you know if these places are close together or not? Other than in the 1841 census which showed he was a baker he always related his profession as an Omnibus Conductor! As ever I have many more questions than answers! Again I look forward to your thoughts on all of the above! :-) Bob