Hi cousin, It's a pleasure. But I think the original source of the information was Christine - so I think she should get the credit for tracing our earliest Wiltshire Westall's. By the way, I now believe that Sarah Sylvester (1660, Lacock) was the daughter of Edward Sylvester (bap 30 May 1624, Lacock) and Mary. The Sylvester line in Lacock can then be traced all the way back another 5 generations to Thomas Sylvester (b. 1525, Lacock) who married Elizabeth in about 1547. These were my 11th great grandparents and so far it's the longest ancestral line I have on my father's side. Please let me know if you want the details. Fred -------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Adams" <TimA@spc.int> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 11:32 PM To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Mark Westall b ca. 1705 > Thanks Fred > > Mark Westall is my 6th Great Grandfather (according to what evidence I > have so far, not all of it verified - the Ramsbury Westalls are indeed > difficult to unravel). I didn't know about his parents and grandparents > though, so thank you for that tidbit. > > Tim Adams > Noumea > > -----Original Message----- > From: westall-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:westall-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Fred Westall > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 7:27 AM > To: westall@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Mark Westall b ca. 1705 > > Yes Indeed - proud to have you as my cousins! > > Bob - I also have Mark Westall (bap. 5 Sep 1703) & Sarah as having the > four children you list.: > 1. Richard (bap 23 Aug 1730, Ramsbury) who married Jane Appleford (1739, > Ramsbury) > 2. Mary (bap 22 Feb 1740, Ramsbury) who married Joseph Lewington (1739, > Ramsbury) > 3. Sarah (bap 18 Nov 1733, Ramsbury) > 4. Charity (bap 16 Jul 1738, Ramsbury) > The parents of Mark were William Westall (1659, Aldbourne) and Sarah > Sylvester (1660, Lacock) William's parents were William (1638, > Aldbourne) and Margery Willis (1630, Unknown). > Therefore, Aldbourne seems to be where at least our extended family > started! > We should have a westall reunion there sometime. > > Fred > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Eileen, I know Australian's are VERY pleased when they find convicts in the family. It's a bit like us poms feel when we find we are related to Diana (which I'm not, by the way!). William Westall was transported to NSW for his part in the Berkshire 'Swing' Riots. He was arrested in Kintbury and convicted at Reading Assizes on 27 Dec 1830. He got a Life sentence (one of four that day I believe). He sailed on the Prison Hulk, Eleanor from Portsmouth on 15 Feb 1831 and was finally freed on 9 Nov 1837 after serving just 7 years. It's not clear what happened after that but he was 20 at the time of his deportation which would give him a dob of about 1810. The only William Westall I can't account for was the son of Thomas Westall (b.1770) and Sarah Bray (b.1766). William was baptised on 16 Nov 1806 in Baydon which makes him a bit old - but possibly still our wayward lad. This would make him my 3rd cousin 5 times removed. There are a couple of other possible candidates, but this is the only one I can't account for after 1830. Hope this helps. William Westall ARA was the brother of Richard Westall RA the famous painter (who also taught Queen Victoria to paint in watercolour). William was on the pioneering Flinders expedition to map Australia and he painted the first landscape pictures of the continent. There is even a Mount Westall named after him situated on the north-eastern side of Shoalwater Bay in Queensland. I'm told it's a very remote place but if we design a special Westall flag do you think you could please pop up there to plant it? ... just kidding! ^_^ Fred -------------------------------------------------- From: "J & E Armstrong" <ellmay1@bigpond.com> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 2:51 AM To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Mark Westall b ca. 1705 > Bob > I have Sarah b 1733, Charity b 1738 and Mary b 1740 as Appleford sisters > of > Jane Appleford married to Richard Westall b 1730. > I wish there weren't so many duplications of christian names in large > Westall families. > Whilst I am here I have two transported Westalls to offer.... 1 William > Westall aboard the "Eleanor" in 1831 to Sydney and also Richard Westall > in > 1835 aboard the "Lord William Bentwick" to Tasmania. > Both committed crimes associated with the farmworkers riots in that era.. > I have not been able to locate family for them , or Henry Westall either. > Henry doesn't feature in muJohn Appleford Westall family. > > Eileen > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Eileen, I agree with you. Thomas W and Sarah Dobson were married in 1863 in Ramsbury. They had 11 children between 1866 and 1881. One of them was my namesake Frederick Westall (b. 19 May 1881, Ramsbury) who married Mabel Annie Denton (b.1884, Ramsbury) in 1907 in Hungerford (RD). Henry Thomas Westall (1879) was one of 11 children of Thomas Henry W (bap. 11 Apr 1841, Ramsbury) who married Sarah Dobson (b.1841, Ramsbury) in 1863. Thomas Henry Westall was the son of George Westall (b. 1806, Axford) and Elizabeth Spanswick (b.1809, Eastbury). They married 18 Dec 1827 in Ramsbury. I think in turn that George was probably the son of John Appleford Westall (b. 1764) and Elizabeth Lewington (b. 1767) who married 28 May 1787 in Ramsbury. John Appleford Westall was the son of Richard Westall (b.1730) and Jane Appleford (b.1739). John Appleford Westall was my 2nd cousin 6 times removed. We go back a long way! His dad, Richard, was the son of Mark (b.1703) and Sarah (n/k). So far I've got 16 George Westall's on my family tree - a fair number of them from the Ramsbury area! It's a proper maze^_^ Fred -------------------------------------------------- From: "J & E Armstrong" <ellmay1@bigpond.com> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 7:28 AM To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Ramsbury Westall's > Re Henry Westall. > > This afternoon i have found... > Henry Westall chr.28 June 1879 Ramsbury, son of Thomas Westall and Sarah > Dobson and also Henry Thomas Westall chr. 29 May1897 Ramsbury. son of > Thomas Westall and Sarah Watts. > I think Thomas may be a son of George Westall and Elizabeth Spanswick. > > Eileen > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

So we are one complete unit of Westalls now! I only had Richard, m Sarah n/k as child of Mark and Sarah so can add them now. Aldbourne used to be a nice little village about sixty years ago. I grew up in the old part of Swindon and we used to get on our bikes in school holidays and roam the surrounding countryside, which seems to have disappeared a lot. Thank you all for solving a lot of my puzzles. Eileen.

AS far as I can see YES we are all one happy family Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Westall" <bobatbmw@cox.net> To: <WESTALL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 5:21 AM Subject: [WESTALL] Mark Westall b ca. 1705 > Another question! > > > > Fred and Eileen, > > > > The Mark Westall b ca. 1703-1707 in Wiltshire, is that the husband of > Sarah > ? and the father to Richard, Sarah, Charity, and Mary, all in Wiltshire > all > in the 1730's. Were there any other children in this marriage and if so > what were dates of birth? > > > >>From the dialogue on the list I believe that this is where Eileen's family > ties with yours Fred, but before I do any merging I would like you two to > concur that I am not going off on some crazy tangent again. J > > > > If that is so it means that Fred's, Eileen's and Christine's families are > one big Westall group. This is absolutely fantastic. Thank you all for > your help and we are making great headway in this venture. > > > > Bob > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) > Database version: 5.10780e > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes Indeed - proud to have you as my cousins! Bob - I also have Mark Westall (bap. 5 Sep 1703) & Sarah as having the four children you list.: 1. Richard (bap 23 Aug 1730, Ramsbury) who married Jane Appleford (1739, Ramsbury) 2. Mary (bap 22 Feb 1740, Ramsbury) who married Joseph Lewington (1739, Ramsbury) 3. Sarah (bap 18 Nov 1733, Ramsbury) 4. Charity (bap 16 Jul 1738, Ramsbury) The parents of Mark were William Westall (1659, Aldbourne) and Sarah Sylvester (1660, Lacock) William's parents were William (1638, Aldbourne) and Margery Willis (1630, Unknown). Therefore, Aldbourne seems to be where at least our extended family started! We should have a westall reunion there sometime. Fred -------------------------------------------------- From: "Christine Charles" <chris1@bigpond.net.au> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 9:09 PM To: <westall@rootsweb.com>; <WESTALL-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Mark Westall b ca. 1705 > AS far as I can see YES we are all one happy family > > Christine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Westall" <bobatbmw@cox.net> > To: <WESTALL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 5:21 AM > Subject: [WESTALL] Mark Westall b ca. 1705 > > >> Another question! >> >> >> >> Fred and Eileen, >> >> >> >> The Mark Westall b ca. 1703-1707 in Wiltshire, is that the husband of >> Sarah >> ? and the father to Richard, Sarah, Charity, and Mary, all in Wiltshire >> all >> in the 1730's. Were there any other children in this marriage and if so >> what were dates of birth? >> >> >> >>>From the dialogue on the list I believe that this is where Eileen's >>>family >> ties with yours Fred, but before I do any merging I would like you two to >> concur that I am not going off on some crazy tangent again. J >> >> >> >> If that is so it means that Fred's, Eileen's and Christine's families are >> one big Westall group. This is absolutely fantastic. Thank you all for >> your help and we are making great headway in this venture. >> >> >> >> Bob >> >> >> >> >> >> E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) >> Database version: 5.10780e >> http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It has water, shopping centres and fresh air! Life is full of coincidences! Eileen.

Another question! Fred and Eileen, The Mark Westall b ca. 1703-1707 in Wiltshire, is that the husband of Sarah ? and the father to Richard, Sarah, Charity, and Mary, all in Wiltshire all in the 1730's. Were there any other children in this marriage and if so what were dates of birth? >From the dialogue on the list I believe that this is where Eileen's family ties with yours Fred, but before I do any merging I would like you two to concur that I am not going off on some crazy tangent again. J If that is so it means that Fred's, Eileen's and Christine's families are one big Westall group. This is absolutely fantastic. Thank you all for your help and we are making great headway in this venture. Bob E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) Database version: 5.10780e http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/

Hi Bob Thanks for the useful information - a few more Ramsbury Westall's to add to the list. As you point out Henry Westall (1799) married Hannah Hind (1801) on 14 Oct 1824. But I no idea who Henry's parents were. Possibly they could be John Appleford Westall (1764) + Elizabeth Lewington (1767) but I have no evidence for this. Can anyone shed light on this mysterious Henry? There are a lot of Westall's from Ramsbury and it can be quite hard to disentangle all the various family branches. Fred

Hi My friend lives in Runaway Bay.What a coincidence that is. I believe a beautiful place Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "J & E Armstrong" <ellmay1@bigpond.com> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Westall connections > Hi Christine, > Great to hear from another cousin especially from down under. > We are living in Runaway Bay, a small suburb of the Gold Coast on the > northern end. > I landed in Melbourne in 1956 and went to Sydney after a year .Came to > Queensland in 1987. > > Eileen. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Christine, Great to hear from another cousin especially from down under. We are living in Runaway Bay, a small suburb of the Gold Coast on the northern end. I landed in Melbourne in 1956 and went to Sydney after a year .Came to Queensland in 1987. Eileen.

Nice to hear from you,especially as a cousin even if a 7th! Eileen.

Hello cousin Its great to hear from you. Where do you live ? I am in Melbourne Australia Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "J & E Armstrong" <ellmay1@bigpond.com> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Westall connections > Hi Christine > I also can trace back to William and Margaery[Willis], I branch off at > Mark > Westall b 1703, son of William Westall b1659 and Sylvia Sylvester b1660. > Have been stuck at Sarah Westall [b 1794] who married Thomas Newman after > their son, John Newman Westall and my GGrandfather, was born. > Another link forged! > Beat wishes > Eileen. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Christine I also can trace back to William and Margaery[Willis], I branch off at Mark Westall b 1703, son of William Westall b1659 and Sylvia Sylvester b1660. Have been stuck at Sarah Westall [b 1794] who married Thomas Newman after their son, John Newman Westall and my GGrandfather, was born. Another link forged! Beat wishes Eileen.

Hi 7th cousin! I branch off at Edward Westall (1695, Aldbourne), who was the brother of your Mark (1703, Aldbourne). Tis a small world? Fred -------------------------------------------------- From: "J & E Armstrong" <ellmay1@bigpond.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 6:53 AM To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Westall connections > Hi Christine > I also can trace back to William and Margaery[Willis], I branch off at > Mark > Westall b 1703, son of William Westall b1659 and Sylvia Sylvester b1660. > Have been stuck at Sarah Westall [b 1794] who married Thomas Newman after > their son, John Newman Westall and my GGrandfather, was born. > Another link forged! > Beat wishes > Eileen. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi We actually go right back to Margery & William & yes we branch off at the point you say. I'm DELIGHTED to meet you cousin. Re Change of name Yes you are right It was that family that changed their names . It is funny as the WESTELL's thought they were kind of "special " as their name was spelt differently But it was only changed relatively recently. Now I have a query or two 1. Wm Albert aka Albert W died at sea on the way to NY in approx 1912 BUT I cant find any ref. to that event 2. Same as above married twice. Both times as a bachelor & I can find no death of the former Sarah Anne Perrett (his cousin ) before he married Edith GIBBS . HMMMMMMMM Was he a bigamist OR did she die at sea between 1875 & 1889 Any ideas anyone PLEASE? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Westall" <fred_westall@msn.com> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Westall connections > Hi Christine, > > I suspect our common ancestors were David Westall (1752, Baydon) and > Hannah > Sims (1751, Inkpen) who married on 26 Oct 1777 in Inkpen. They had three > children: George (1780, Kintbury), Sarah (1777, Kintbury) and William > (1783, > Kintbury). My line goes via George and yours goes via William. I don't > think Sarah had any children(?). Therefore I think you are my 5th > cousin - > or something like that. > > When did Westall become Westell in your line? I suspect that it happened > with the children of John Westall (1804, Chilton Foliat) and Lucy Perrott > (1802, Walcot, Bath Som). According to my records their eldest three > children (Frederick (1830, Bristol), Elizabeth (1831, Bristol) and Lucy > (1832)) all took the Westall name but the following five children (James > (1834, Bedminster), Sarah (1836, Bedminster), John (1839, Bedminster), > Rosa > (1841, Bedminster) and William (1843, Bedminster)) all adopted the Westell > name. It seems there was possibly also a daughter Julia (1846, Bristol) > who > took the Westall name. In other branches of my family the Westell name > sometimes appears as a typographical error .. or should that be the other > way around ^_^ > > In the 1891 census my great grandfather's family were wrongly recorded as > the Wartall family! Henry Westall (Wartall) and his family of 10 were > living in a three-roomed hut on the side of the Manchester ship canal at > Rixton near Warrington where was a walking ganger (a sort of navvie > foreman). Several of his descendants, my cousins, still live in Rixton > and > nearby in Leigh, Lancs. I live nearby in Stockport, Cheshire having been > born in Cardiff Glamorgan. > > I think your connection with Liverpool is possibly via William Albert > Westell (1843) who married Edith Elizabeth Gibbs (1858, Pembroke Dock) in > 1889 in Liverpool, Lancs. Does any of this make sense? > Hope this is useful. > > Fred > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Christine Charles" <chris1@bigpond.net.au> > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 11:28 PM > To: <westall@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Westall connections > >> My Westall's changed their names in the 1800's to WESTELL .That branch >> were >> from Bristol & my gt grandfather moved to Liverpool >> >> Christine >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Fred Westall" <fred_westall@msn.com> >> To: <WESTALL@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:45 AM >> Subject: [WESTALL] Westall connections >> >> >>> Hi Bob, >>> >>> >>> >>> Wow ... you really do have a great database of Westall's! By the way, >>> who >>> is the earliest Westall on your database? >>> >>> >>> >>> It seems that my earliest ancestor was William Westall (1638) who >>> married >>> Margery Willis (1630) on 1 April 1658 in Aldbourne Wilts. They were my >>> 8x >>> great grandparents. Their son, William Westall (1659) married Sarah >>> Sylvester or Chilvester. Their son Edward Westall (1695) married Sarah >>> Barnet (1698) in 1718, and then my line continues through son John >>> Westall >>> (1718) who married Hester Benfield (1720) in 1745. >>> >>> >>> >>> I think that the Richard Westall RA (the artist) line can be traced back >>> much further but so far we have not been able to definitively link the >>> Norfolk line of Westall's with my own line from Wiltshire/Berkshire. >>> We >>> have come tantalizingly close but no cigar yet! But I am quietly >>> confident >>> that there is a connection linking most of the southern English >>> Westall's >>> together. Currently I am trying to find the link between the Trowbridge >>> Westall's and my own line. I think there may be a link via the Westall >>> group in East Isley but I have not found it yet. >>> >>> >>> >>> I notice there is also a large group of Westall's based in the >>> Oswaldwistle >>> area of Lancashire near Huddersfield. I would love the find how that >>> group >>> came into being - was it a completely independent line or did they join >>> the >>> migration from the south to the north during the industrial revolution? >>> The >>> Westall's of North (Fylde) and West (Liverpool) Lancashire and Cheshire >>> (Warrington) can all be traced back to remote branches of my own line. >>> So >>> far I have not found any Scottish Westall's but I have a lot of Scottish >>> blood from my mother's side! >>> >>> >>> >>> Like you say Genealogy is fascinating. I only got into it about 3 years >>> ago >>> but now I am completely hooked. I am particularly interested in the >>> lives >>> of my ancestors, the historical context and the patterns of migration >>> throughout the family. There's a lot still to do I think! ;0) >>> >>> >>> >>> Fred Westall (the third) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes thankyou so much.I think the email I sent to you re the ACKERLEY's may have got lost inn cyber space so THANKYOU again ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Westall" <bobatbmw@cox.net> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Westall connections > Christine, > > When I was working with your Westall's I could not find them in > www.rootsweb.com FREE BMD under Westall so for the heck of it I looked > under > Westell and wham I found them. I was so pleased. Did you look over the > info I sent you on Ackerley? > > Regards to you and Australia > > Bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: westall-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:westall-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of Christine Charles > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 6:29 PM > To: westall@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Westall connections > > My Westall's changed their names in the 1800's to WESTELL .That branch > were > from Bristol & my gt grandfather moved to Liverpool > > Christine > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fred Westall" <fred_westall@msn.com> > To: <WESTALL@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:45 AM > Subject: [WESTALL] Westall connections > > >> Hi Bob, >> >> >> >> Wow ... you really do have a great database of Westall's! By the way, >> who >> is the earliest Westall on your database? >> >> >> >> It seems that my earliest ancestor was William Westall (1638) who married >> Margery Willis (1630) on 1 April 1658 in Aldbourne Wilts. They were my >> 8x >> great grandparents. Their son, William Westall (1659) married Sarah >> Sylvester or Chilvester. Their son Edward Westall (1695) married Sarah >> Barnet (1698) in 1718, and then my line continues through son John >> Westall >> (1718) who married Hester Benfield (1720) in 1745. >> >> >> >> I think that the Richard Westall RA (the artist) line can be traced back >> much further but so far we have not been able to definitively link the >> Norfolk line of Westall's with my own line from Wiltshire/Berkshire. We >> have come tantalizingly close but no cigar yet! But I am quietly >> confident >> that there is a connection linking most of the southern English Westall's >> together. Currently I am trying to find the link between the Trowbridge >> Westall's and my own line. I think there may be a link via the Westall >> group in East Isley but I have not found it yet. >> >> >> >> I notice there is also a large group of Westall's based in the >> Oswaldwistle >> area of Lancashire near Huddersfield. I would love the find how that >> group >> came into being - was it a completely independent line or did they join >> the >> migration from the south to the north during the industrial revolution? >> The >> Westall's of North (Fylde) and West (Liverpool) Lancashire and Cheshire >> (Warrington) can all be traced back to remote branches of my own line. >> So >> far I have not found any Scottish Westall's but I have a lot of Scottish >> blood from my mother's side! >> >> >> >> Like you say Genealogy is fascinating. I only got into it about 3 years >> ago >> but now I am completely hooked. I am particularly interested in the >> lives >> of my ancestors, the historical context and the patterns of migration >> throughout the family. There's a lot still to do I think! ;0) >> >> >> >> Fred Westall (the third) >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) > Database version: 5.10750e > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) > Database version: 5.10750e > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Tim, It is great to see you are still involved in this crazy pursuit. :-) In looking over my data base I see that in the 1841 English Census Josiah was 6 mos. Old and he was born in Bath, Somerset,(Births Jun 1841, Westall Josiah, Bath Vol. 11, Page 35). Minoah was born in ca. 1939 but not in Bath, Somerset and it shows he died Jul-Sep 1841 in Bath. Up to the and including the 1851 English Census they were shown as Westall and in www.rootsweb.com Free BMD in the 1840's the children were under both Westall and Westhall. Frankly, I think that is why we/I have pulled all of our/my hair out as to the lack of uniformity! :-) Oh well, maybe that is what keeps us all coming back. The following are the notes I have on Charles Westhall in my data base. I hope they are of some use. Regards Bob ################################# www.familysearch.com Charles WESTALL Sex: M Event(s): Christening: 2 Apr 1809 Trowbridge, Wiltshire, England Parents: Father: Joseph WESTALL Mother: Lidia ################################ www.familysearch.com Charles WESTALL Sex: M Marriage(s): Spouse: Catharine NEWPORT Marriage: 03 Jun 1827 Saint James, Trowbridge, Wiltshire, England ################################ 1841 England Census Name: Charls Westall Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811 Gender: Male Civil Parish: Lyncombe and Widcombe Hundred: Bath Forum County/Island: Somerset Country: England Street address: 9 Chapel Rowe Occupation: Policeman Registration district: Bath Sub registration district: Lyncombe and Widcombe Neighbors: View others on page Charls Westall 30..Policeman..No Catherine Westall 30....................No William Westall 13....................No Samuel Westall 11....................No Caroline Westall 8....................No Elizabeth Westall 5....................No Manoah Westall 2....................No Josiah Westall 6 Mo.................Yes ################################ 1851 England Census Name: Charles Westall Age: 42 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Catherine Gender: Male Where born: Trowbridge, Wiltshire, England Civil Parish: Walcot Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour County/Island: Somerset Country: England Street address: 35 Eldon Place Occupation: Policeman Condition as to marriage: Married Registration district: Bath Sub registration district: Lyncombe ED, institution, or vessel: 1n Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 39 Charles Westall Head..M..42..Policeman..........Wilts, Trowbridge Catherine Westall Wife...M..42............................Wilts, Southwick Josiah Westall Son....S....9..Scholar..............Somerset, Bath James Westall Son....S....8..Scholar..............Somerset, Bath Gideon Westall Son....S....6..Scholar..............Somerset, Bath Lydia Westall Dau....S....4..Scholar..............Somerset, Bath Anna Marie Westall Dau....S....1..Scholar..............Somerset, Bath Thomas Priddle Visitor....S.19..Ann??tant..........Somerset, Bath ################################ 1861 England Census Name: Charles Westhall Age: 52 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Catherine Gender: Male Where born: Trowbridge, Wiltshire, England Civil Parish: Walcot Ecclesiastical parish: Walcot St Swithin County/Island: Somerset Country: England Street address: 24 Moomfields Place Occupation: Policeman Condition as to marriage: Married Registration district: Bath Sub registration district: Walcot ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 135 Charles Westhall Head..M..52..Policeman........Wilts, Trowbridge Catherine Westhall Wife...M..52..........................Wilts, North Bradley Josiah Westhall Son....S..19..Cabinet Maker..Somerset, Bath Lydia Westhall Dau....S..13..Scholar............Somerset, Bath Annie M Westhall Dau....S..11..Scholar............Somerset, Bath ################################ 1871 England Census Name: Charles Westhall Age: 62 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Catherine Gender: Male Where born: Wiltshire, England Civil Parish: Walcot St Swithin Ecclesiastical parish: Walcot St Swithin County/Island: Somerset Country: England Street address: 24 Moonfields Place Occupation: Superannated Policeman Condition as to marriage: Married Disability: View Image Registration district: Bath Sub registration district: Walcot ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Household schedule number: 111 Charles Westhall Head..M..62..Supernnated Policeman..Wiltshire Catherine Westhall Wife...M..62..........................................Wiltshire Caroline Davis Dau....S..38..Tailoress.........................Bath, Somerset Annie Westhall Dau....S..21..........................................Wiltshire ################################ Taken from Free BMD Deaths Dec 1877 WESTHALL Charles Bath 5c 447 The district Bath spans the boundaries of the counties of Avon and Somerset E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) Database version: 5.10760e http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/

We are on a roll, J The George Westall family came to Anne Arundel County area of Maryland in the 1650's. George's brother Richard was his benefactor and he paid for the passage of George's family. George Westall was born ca. 1625 in Catterick Parish, North Riding, Yorkshire, England. George died 10 Mar 1672/73 in Maryland. Does anyone have any info on the Westall clan around Catterick Parish, North Riding, Yorkshire, England in the early 1600's. Bob My notes on George Westall http://www.ezonline.com/aem/gen/d0005/g0000001.htm#I5959 Notes "...and whereas Lord Baltimore by letters patent of 2 May 1659 granted to George Westall of Anne Arundel County Scorton of 800 arcres and adjoining Burgh and where as George Westall son and heir of the said George Westall by deed of 10 March 1673 granted unto William Scorton..." -Henry Wright Newman, "Anne Arundel Gentry" Vol. I, P. 12. [See Comment for son George Westall, Jr.] George transported himself, his son George and six others to Maryland by 1658. HTML created by GED2HTML v3.0b (5/28/97) [Data C 1998 by Albert E. Myers]. ################################## Entered Colonies in 1650, Sponsored by Richard Westall In 1658 George Westall payed a rent of 16 lbs. for 700 acres from Dr. Moore and 100 acres from Londontown. February 28, 1664, George Westall witnessed and received rental rights to 1,800 acres, purchased by Colonel Robert Pitt and William Burgh. 800 acres surveyed by "Scorton", 18 February, 1658. Requested by Dr. Moore (owner) of Londontown. Land Rented to George Westall , South side of South River. Land purchased in March 12, 1661. #################################### George had a son by the name of George Westall b 1654 in Catterick Parish, North Riding, Yorkshire, England Notes for George Jr. http://www.ezonline.com/aem/gen/d0014/g0000057.htm#I67 http://pickle.gsfc.nasa.gov/mdfams/D0018/G0000019.html#I35510 Father: George (Sr.) Westhall (WESTALL) Family 1: Sarah WADE Marriage: 1.Sarah Westall (WESTHALL) 2.Jane Westall (WESTHALL) 3.George Westall (WESTHALL) 4.Alice Westall (WESTHALL) 5.Rachell Westall (WESTHALL) 6.Richard Westall (WESTHALL) Family 2: 1.John WESTALL 2.Joshua WESTALL Notes ["of South River"] Family 1: Sarah WADE [his first wife] 1.Sarah Westall (WESTHALL) 2.Jane Westall (WESTHALL) 3.George Westall (WESTHALL) 4.Alice Westall (WESTHALL) 5.Rachell Westall (WESTHALL) 6.Richard Westall (WESTHALL) Family 2: 1.John WESTALL 2.Joshua WESTALL Orphaned at 11. George Westall II was in English Infantry in 1670 in Virginia. Notes George owned at least 1200 acres, later the sight of Londontown, Maryland, on the south shore of South River. {Ref. "Anne Arundel Gentry," H. W. Newman (Balt., 1933 p. 350, 424, 443) and "Founders of the Colonial Families of Ridgley...," Henry R. Evans (Washington D C, 1933).} George"...had been brought to Maryland before 1658, by his father, George Westall Sr. ...He named his plantation 'Scorton,' a Parish in North Riding in Yorkshire, which undoubtedly his native Parish." Henry Wright Newman, "Anne Arundel Gentry," Vol. III. "Anne Arundel Church Records of the 17th and 18th centuries: All Hollow's Parish" reports: George Westall (Housekeeper of parish) bur. March 17, 1701 [1702 in 'new' calendar] and lists the births and some baptisms of his children, and the burial 08-26-1700 of his servant Henery Right. 350 acres surveyed by "Jackson's Venture", 3 June 1685 upon the request of George Westall (owner). Land rented to John Bindswell, East side of Curliff's Creek and South River. George Westall II estate and children (Richard, George, Alice, Rachel, and John Westall) custody transfered to Joseph Burton, husband of widow Sarah (Wade) Westall. Joseph Burton apptd to manage Cheney interest in estate. ##################################### http://users.constant.com/~ths/ 1676: On 12 Dec John Sellman purchased 175 acres on the south side of the South River and west of Flat Creek in Anne ArundelCo with partner George Westall. The area was called Covells Folly which is about 1.5 miles NE of present Davidsonville, MD. John Sellman accumulated over 900 acres in county where he hosted many "custom servants" and "indentured servants," three of whom died in his service and are buried at All Hallows Church. E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) Database version: 5.10760e http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/

Hi Margaret, I have a Thomas Westall (11 Sep 1808, Cookham). According to my records his parents were James Westall (1767, Hungerford) and Nancy Medden (1766, Bray Berks) who married 2 Feb 1795 in Bray Berks. James can then be traced back to William Westall (abt 1638) who I think married a Mary Chilvester (1638) in abt 1660. But it's all very speculative I'm afraid! Sorry but I don't have a Thomas John Westall on my tree. The Warrington Westall's were descendants of my great grandfather Henry Westall (1845, Canford Dorset) who married local girls and settled in the area. They came to Lancashire to work on the Manchester Ship Canal - following the footsteps of the mighty Thomas Andrew Walker who became chief contractor after the severn tunnel project was completed in 1887. After the MSC my folks followed Walker to work on the Barry Docks and I was born in nearby Cardiff as a result. It's a long story of how I got to be back up north but I have stood on the spot in Rixton where my folks lived from 1887-1893. I've even got a brick from the foundations of the hut which is now long gone and overgrown by weeds. My folks helped to build that stretch of the Manchester ship canal and I'm very proud of them. There are quite a few of my Westall cousins still living in Rixton and nearby Leigh. Fred -------------------------------------------------- From: "Margaret Wilkinson" <margaretjanew@hotmail.com> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 9:58 PM To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Westall connections > > Fred, It is nice to know that someone has traced their WESTALL line back > so far. > > I am 'stuck' with my 3G grandfather, Thomas WESTALL, born c 1805 - 1807 in > Reading, Berkshire, according to census information. > He was a boot and shoemaker in London, where my 2G grandfather, Thomas > John WESTALL, was born. > Mick WESTALL's family were also London shoemakers, living in the same > road, Dudley Street, as my family in 1851 census. Unless the situation > has changed, he is no further back either. > > Didn't know there was an appreciable number of WESTALL's from Warrington. > I live on the outskirts of Warrington - if anything specific could be > looked up locally, I am willing to take a look. > > Margaret > > >> From: fred_westall@msn.com >> To: WESTALL@rootsweb.com >> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:45:05 +0100 >> Subject: [WESTALL] Westall connections >> >> Hi Bob, >> >> Wow ... you really do have a great database of Westall's! By the way, who >> is the earliest Westall on your database? >> >> It seems that my earliest ancestor was William Westall (1638) who married >> Margery Willis (1630) on 1 April 1658 in Aldbourne Wilts. They were my 8x >> great grandparents. Their son, William Westall (1659) married Sarah >> Sylvester or Chilvester. Their son Edward Westall (1695) married Sarah >> Barnet (1698) in 1718, and then my line continues through son John >> Westall >> (1718) who married Hester Benfield (1720) in 1745. >> >> I think that the Richard Westall RA (the artist) line can be traced back >> much further but so far we have not been able to definitively link the >> Norfolk line of Westall's with my own line from Wiltshire/Berkshire. We >> have come tantalizingly close but no cigar yet! But I am quietly >> confident >> that there is a connection linking most of the southern English Westall's >> together. Currently I am trying to find the link between the Trowbridge >> Westall's and my own line. I think there may be a link via the Westall >> group in East Isley but I have not found it yet. >> >> I notice there is also a large group of Westall's based in the >> Oswaldwistle >> area of Lancashire near Huddersfield. I would love the find how that >> group >> came into being - was it a completely independent line or did they join >> the >> migration from the south to the north during the industrial revolution? >> The >> Westall's of North (Fylde) and West (Liverpool) Lancashire and Cheshire >> (Warrington) can all be traced back to remote branches of my own line. So >> far I have not found any Scottish Westall's but I have a lot of Scottish >> blood from my mother's side! >> >> Like you say Genealogy is fascinating. I only got into it about 3 years >> ago >> but now I am completely hooked. I am particularly interested in the lives >> of my ancestors, the historical context and the patterns of migration >> throughout the family. There's a lot still to do I think! ;0) >> >> Fred Westall (the third) > >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get all your favourite content with the slick new MSN Toolbar - FREE > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/111354027/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >