Not all of the convicted went to Australia as the Americas got there share also. This one happens to be to Australia! Look familiar to anyone? <http://www.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=1180&enc=1> Australian Convict Transportation Registers - Other Fleets & Ships, 1791-1868 about Charles Westall Name: Charles Westall Vessel: Racehorse Convicted Date: 25 Jul 1863 Voyage Date: 19 May 1865 Colony: Western Australia Piece: HO 11/19 Place of Conviction: Devon County of Conviction: Devon E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) Database version: 5.10890e http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/

Thanks Tom Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Camfield" <camfield@olympus.net> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Thomas George Westall >I don't have anything on your line, I'm afraid. My wife's ancestry > goes back to Thomas Westall's son William B., apparently the only > child of the wife he left in North Carolina when he headed off to > Tennessee. I did not follow up on the descendants of of his subsequent > children--nor have I determined just who the people with him were when > he wandered into N. Carolina in the first place, apparently from > Winchester, Virginia. Haven't been able to trace anything back from > Winchester either. I think a lot of records were lost during the > Revolution. > > I haven't researched any further since 1998, as I turned to writing > books of my hometown history after that. > > Sorry, > Tom > > > > On Oct 9, 2008, at 4:27 PM, Chris Galbreath wrote: > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tom Camfield" <camfield@olympus.net> >> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 6:13 PM >> Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Thomas George Westall >> >> >> >> Tom, I'm Chris Westall Galbreath descendant of the William Bury >> Westall >> line in Lancashire. Does your book address any of those Westall's? >> Regarding Texas .... Thomas Westall had a neighbor, Thomas P. >> Crosby whose >> wife Clementina was the sister of my ggggrandmother (Jane Murray >> Sheldon). >> Thanks, Chris >> >> >>> Hello, Bob (and all), Tom Camfield here. >>> >>> I dug up quite a bit about old Thomas Westall for my book published >>> in >>> 1998. The identity of Thomas has never been determined quite to >>> everyone's satisfaction, and as near as I could tell, the confusion >>> originated back in North Carolina, where some barely informed >>> descendants confused him with his son William Brittain Westall. >>> Before >>> heading to Texas, he was fairly prominent in Tennessee (after leaving >>> his first wife), where he also is said to have had a "plantation" and >>> kept slaves. But my research in Tennessee came up short on several >>> fronts. If my memory serves without digging out the book, he settled >>> in Winchester, Tenn. >>> >>> I'm pretty sure this guy lied about his age along the way. The census >>> records don't gibe too well from one to another. He was pretty well >>> along in years when he took part in the Battle of Velasco, a prelude >>> to the War with Mexico. >>> >>> I know that you, Bob, have all of this info, but if any of the others >>> want some of it in further detail, I'd be happy to try and pass some >>> of it along. I still have a few extras of my 350-pp hardcover books >>> on >>> "The Westalls and Their Kin." They cost me too much ($190 each to >>> print up), but I'd be happy to donate a couple to libraries with >>> decent genealogical sections. Some libraries back in N. C., one in >>> Texas, and a few others already have it. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Tom >>> >>> On Oct 9, 2008, at 2:38 PM, Bob Westall wrote: >>> >>>> For all of those from the North Carolina Westall Family the >>>> following may be >>>> of some interest. There is a great deal of controversy as to >>>> whether there >>>> were two brothers that the North Carolina Westall family is >>>> descended from >>>> or whether there was only the one man by the name of Westall that >>>> the whole >>>> family is descended from. >>>> >>>> Regardless, this Thomas Westall came from North Carolinas via >>>> Tennessee and >>>> made quite a wide swath when he went to Texas in the mid 1820's as >>>> part of >>>> the Old Three Hundred settlers brought to Texas by Stephen F. >>>> Austin. When >>>> Thomas Westall's estate was probated ca. 1838 it was worth >>>> $398,000! Both >>>> Thomas and his eldest son James M. Westall received land in Texas >>>> and both >>>> died in 1833 as did a host of others in the Cholera epidemic of >>>> August 1833. >>>> Many of the Austin family had left San Felipe de Austin and went to >>>> the >>>> Westall Plantation to get away from the Cholera epidemic. The >>>> tragedy was >>>> that they brought the Cholera to the plantation and many died as a >>>> result. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Bob >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/WW/fwe35.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> WESTALL, THOMAS (?-1833). Thomas Westall, member of the Old Three >>>> Hundred.qv, was on his way to Texas from Tennessee in April 1824, >>>> when he >>>> stopped at Alexandria, Louisiana, where J. Thomas gave him a >>>> letter of >>>> recommendation to Stephen F. Austin.qv As one of Austin's Old Three >>>> Hundred >>>> settlers, Westall received title to two leagues and two labors of >>>> land in >>>> what became Wharton, Fort Bend, and Austin counties on July 19, >>>> 1824. In >>>> August 1824 Westall hired four slaves to Austin as part payment for >>>> his >>>> land. Westall went back to Tennessee and laid in a supply of >>>> merchandise in >>>> the fall of 1824. Both Stephen F. and J. E. B. Austin.qv bought >>>> supplies >>>> from him in March 1825. J. E. B. Austin married Westall's daughter, >>>> Eliza, >>>> in 1825 or 1826. The census of 1826 classified Westall as a farmer >>>> and stock >>>> raiser, aged between twenty-five and forty. His household included >>>> his wife, >>>> two sons, a daughter, and four slaves. In 1830 Westall agreed to >>>> build a >>>> brick house and do some fencing in San Felipe in return for building >>>> lots >>>> there. His plantation near the McNeil plantation on the Brazos River >>>> had a >>>> school taught by Timothy B. Phelps.qv In June 1832 Westall was on a >>>> committee to decide whether or not citizens at Brazoria should take >>>> part in >>>> the war against the Mexican garrison at Anahuac (see ANAHUAC >>>> DISTURBANCES). >>>> He was sent by John Austin.qv to order the Mexican collector at >>>> Brazoria to >>>> give up his arms and ammunition. Westall died in a cholera epidemic >>>> in 1833; >>>> James F. Perryqv wrote Austin of claims being made on his estate by >>>> persons >>>> in Tennessee. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> BIBLIOGRAPHY: Eugene C. Barker, ed., The Austin Papers (3 vols., >>>> >>>> Washington: GPO, 1924-28). Eugene C. Barker, ed., "Minutes of the >>>> Ayuntamiento of San Felipe de Austin, 1828-1832," 12 parts, >>>> Southwestern >>>> Historical Quarterly 21-24 (January 1918-October 1920). Lester G. >>>> Bugbee, >>>> "The Old Three Hundred: A List of Settlers in Austin's First >>>> Colony," >>>> >>>> Quarterly of the Texas State Historical Association 1 (October >>>> 1897). Marie >>>> Beth Jones, Peach Point Plantation: The First 150 Years (Waco: >>>> Texian Press, >>>> 1982). P. E. Peareson, "Reminiscences of Judge Edwin Waller," >>>> >>>> Quarterly of the Texas State Historical Association 4 (July 1900). >>>> Edna >>>> Rowe, "The Disturbances at Anahuac in 1832," Quarterly of the Texas >>>> State >>>> Historical Association 6 (April 1903). Noah Smithwick, The Evolution >>>> of a >>>> State, or Recollections of Old Texas Days (Austin: Gammel, 1900; >>>> rpt., >>>> >>>> Austin: University of Texas Press, 1983). Telegraph and Texas >>>> Register, >>>> March 28, 1837. Visit to Texas (New York, Goodrich & Wiley, 1834; >>>> Austin, >>>> Steck, 1952). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) >>>> Database version: 5.10870e >>>> http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com >>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>> the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I don't have anything on your line, I'm afraid. My wife's ancestry goes back to Thomas Westall's son William B., apparently the only child of the wife he left in North Carolina when he headed off to Tennessee. I did not follow up on the descendants of of his subsequent children--nor have I determined just who the people with him were when he wandered into N. Carolina in the first place, apparently from Winchester, Virginia. Haven't been able to trace anything back from Winchester either. I think a lot of records were lost during the Revolution. I haven't researched any further since 1998, as I turned to writing books of my hometown history after that. Sorry, Tom On Oct 9, 2008, at 4:27 PM, Chris Galbreath wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Camfield" <camfield@olympus.net> > To: <westall@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 6:13 PM > Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Thomas George Westall > > > > Tom, I'm Chris Westall Galbreath descendant of the William Bury > Westall > line in Lancashire. Does your book address any of those Westall's? > Regarding Texas .... Thomas Westall had a neighbor, Thomas P. > Crosby whose > wife Clementina was the sister of my ggggrandmother (Jane Murray > Sheldon). > Thanks, Chris > > >> Hello, Bob (and all), Tom Camfield here. >> >> I dug up quite a bit about old Thomas Westall for my book published >> in >> 1998. The identity of Thomas has never been determined quite to >> everyone's satisfaction, and as near as I could tell, the confusion >> originated back in North Carolina, where some barely informed >> descendants confused him with his son William Brittain Westall. >> Before >> heading to Texas, he was fairly prominent in Tennessee (after leaving >> his first wife), where he also is said to have had a "plantation" and >> kept slaves. But my research in Tennessee came up short on several >> fronts. If my memory serves without digging out the book, he settled >> in Winchester, Tenn. >> >> I'm pretty sure this guy lied about his age along the way. The census >> records don't gibe too well from one to another. He was pretty well >> along in years when he took part in the Battle of Velasco, a prelude >> to the War with Mexico. >> >> I know that you, Bob, have all of this info, but if any of the others >> want some of it in further detail, I'd be happy to try and pass some >> of it along. I still have a few extras of my 350-pp hardcover books >> on >> "The Westalls and Their Kin." They cost me too much ($190 each to >> print up), but I'd be happy to donate a couple to libraries with >> decent genealogical sections. Some libraries back in N. C., one in >> Texas, and a few others already have it. >> >> Regards, >> Tom >> >> On Oct 9, 2008, at 2:38 PM, Bob Westall wrote: >> >>> For all of those from the North Carolina Westall Family the >>> following may be >>> of some interest. There is a great deal of controversy as to >>> whether there >>> were two brothers that the North Carolina Westall family is >>> descended from >>> or whether there was only the one man by the name of Westall that >>> the whole >>> family is descended from. >>> >>> Regardless, this Thomas Westall came from North Carolinas via >>> Tennessee and >>> made quite a wide swath when he went to Texas in the mid 1820's as >>> part of >>> the Old Three Hundred settlers brought to Texas by Stephen F. >>> Austin. When >>> Thomas Westall's estate was probated ca. 1838 it was worth >>> $398,000! Both >>> Thomas and his eldest son James M. Westall received land in Texas >>> and both >>> died in 1833 as did a host of others in the Cholera epidemic of >>> August 1833. >>> Many of the Austin family had left San Felipe de Austin and went to >>> the >>> Westall Plantation to get away from the Cholera epidemic. The >>> tragedy was >>> that they brought the Cholera to the plantation and many died as a >>> result. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/WW/fwe35.html >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WESTALL, THOMAS (?-1833). Thomas Westall, member of the Old Three >>> Hundred.qv, was on his way to Texas from Tennessee in April 1824, >>> when he >>> stopped at Alexandria, Louisiana, where J. Thomas gave him a >>> letter of >>> recommendation to Stephen F. Austin.qv As one of Austin's Old Three >>> Hundred >>> settlers, Westall received title to two leagues and two labors of >>> land in >>> what became Wharton, Fort Bend, and Austin counties on July 19, >>> 1824. In >>> August 1824 Westall hired four slaves to Austin as part payment for >>> his >>> land. Westall went back to Tennessee and laid in a supply of >>> merchandise in >>> the fall of 1824. Both Stephen F. and J. E. B. Austin.qv bought >>> supplies >>> from him in March 1825. J. E. B. Austin married Westall's daughter, >>> Eliza, >>> in 1825 or 1826. The census of 1826 classified Westall as a farmer >>> and stock >>> raiser, aged between twenty-five and forty. His household included >>> his wife, >>> two sons, a daughter, and four slaves. In 1830 Westall agreed to >>> build a >>> brick house and do some fencing in San Felipe in return for building >>> lots >>> there. His plantation near the McNeil plantation on the Brazos River >>> had a >>> school taught by Timothy B. Phelps.qv In June 1832 Westall was on a >>> committee to decide whether or not citizens at Brazoria should take >>> part in >>> the war against the Mexican garrison at Anahuac (see ANAHUAC >>> DISTURBANCES). >>> He was sent by John Austin.qv to order the Mexican collector at >>> Brazoria to >>> give up his arms and ammunition. Westall died in a cholera epidemic >>> in 1833; >>> James F. Perryqv wrote Austin of claims being made on his estate by >>> persons >>> in Tennessee. >>> >>> >>> >>> BIBLIOGRAPHY: Eugene C. Barker, ed., The Austin Papers (3 vols., >>> >>> Washington: GPO, 1924-28). Eugene C. Barker, ed., "Minutes of the >>> Ayuntamiento of San Felipe de Austin, 1828-1832," 12 parts, >>> Southwestern >>> Historical Quarterly 21-24 (January 1918-October 1920). Lester G. >>> Bugbee, >>> "The Old Three Hundred: A List of Settlers in Austin's First >>> Colony," >>> >>> Quarterly of the Texas State Historical Association 1 (October >>> 1897). Marie >>> Beth Jones, Peach Point Plantation: The First 150 Years (Waco: >>> Texian Press, >>> 1982). P. E. Peareson, "Reminiscences of Judge Edwin Waller," >>> >>> Quarterly of the Texas State Historical Association 4 (July 1900). >>> Edna >>> Rowe, "The Disturbances at Anahuac in 1832," Quarterly of the Texas >>> State >>> Historical Association 6 (April 1903). Noah Smithwick, The Evolution >>> of a >>> State, or Recollections of Old Texas Days (Austin: Gammel, 1900; >>> rpt., >>> >>> Austin: University of Texas Press, 1983). Telegraph and Texas >>> Register, >>> March 28, 1837. Visit to Texas (New York, Goodrich & Wiley, 1834; >>> Austin, >>> Steck, 1952). >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) >>> Database version: 5.10870e >>> http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>> the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Camfield" <camfield@olympus.net> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Thomas George Westall Tom, I'm Chris Westall Galbreath descendant of the William Bury Westall line in Lancashire. Does your book address any of those Westall's? Regarding Texas .... Thomas Westall had a neighbor, Thomas P. Crosby whose wife Clementina was the sister of my ggggrandmother (Jane Murray Sheldon). Thanks, Chris > Hello, Bob (and all), Tom Camfield here. > > I dug up quite a bit about old Thomas Westall for my book published in > 1998. The identity of Thomas has never been determined quite to > everyone's satisfaction, and as near as I could tell, the confusion > originated back in North Carolina, where some barely informed > descendants confused him with his son William Brittain Westall. Before > heading to Texas, he was fairly prominent in Tennessee (after leaving > his first wife), where he also is said to have had a "plantation" and > kept slaves. But my research in Tennessee came up short on several > fronts. If my memory serves without digging out the book, he settled > in Winchester, Tenn. > > I'm pretty sure this guy lied about his age along the way. The census > records don't gibe too well from one to another. He was pretty well > along in years when he took part in the Battle of Velasco, a prelude > to the War with Mexico. > > I know that you, Bob, have all of this info, but if any of the others > want some of it in further detail, I'd be happy to try and pass some > of it along. I still have a few extras of my 350-pp hardcover books on > "The Westalls and Their Kin." They cost me too much ($190 each to > print up), but I'd be happy to donate a couple to libraries with > decent genealogical sections. Some libraries back in N. C., one in > Texas, and a few others already have it. > > Regards, > Tom > > On Oct 9, 2008, at 2:38 PM, Bob Westall wrote: > >> For all of those from the North Carolina Westall Family the >> following may be >> of some interest. There is a great deal of controversy as to >> whether there >> were two brothers that the North Carolina Westall family is >> descended from >> or whether there was only the one man by the name of Westall that >> the whole >> family is descended from. >> >> Regardless, this Thomas Westall came from North Carolinas via >> Tennessee and >> made quite a wide swath when he went to Texas in the mid 1820's as >> part of >> the Old Three Hundred settlers brought to Texas by Stephen F. >> Austin. When >> Thomas Westall's estate was probated ca. 1838 it was worth >> $398,000! Both >> Thomas and his eldest son James M. Westall received land in Texas >> and both >> died in 1833 as did a host of others in the Cholera epidemic of >> August 1833. >> Many of the Austin family had left San Felipe de Austin and went to >> the >> Westall Plantation to get away from the Cholera epidemic. The >> tragedy was >> that they brought the Cholera to the plantation and many died as a >> result. >> >> >> >> >> Bob >> >> >> >> http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/WW/fwe35.html >> >> >> >> >> >> WESTALL, THOMAS (?-1833). Thomas Westall, member of the Old Three >> Hundred.qv, was on his way to Texas from Tennessee in April 1824, >> when he >> stopped at Alexandria, Louisiana, where J. Thomas gave him a letter of >> recommendation to Stephen F. Austin.qv As one of Austin's Old Three >> Hundred >> settlers, Westall received title to two leagues and two labors of >> land in >> what became Wharton, Fort Bend, and Austin counties on July 19, >> 1824. In >> August 1824 Westall hired four slaves to Austin as part payment for >> his >> land. Westall went back to Tennessee and laid in a supply of >> merchandise in >> the fall of 1824. Both Stephen F. and J. E. B. Austin.qv bought >> supplies >> from him in March 1825. J. E. B. Austin married Westall's daughter, >> Eliza, >> in 1825 or 1826. The census of 1826 classified Westall as a farmer >> and stock >> raiser, aged between twenty-five and forty. His household included >> his wife, >> two sons, a daughter, and four slaves. In 1830 Westall agreed to >> build a >> brick house and do some fencing in San Felipe in return for building >> lots >> there. His plantation near the McNeil plantation on the Brazos River >> had a >> school taught by Timothy B. Phelps.qv In June 1832 Westall was on a >> committee to decide whether or not citizens at Brazoria should take >> part in >> the war against the Mexican garrison at Anahuac (see ANAHUAC >> DISTURBANCES). >> He was sent by John Austin.qv to order the Mexican collector at >> Brazoria to >> give up his arms and ammunition. Westall died in a cholera epidemic >> in 1833; >> James F. Perryqv wrote Austin of claims being made on his estate by >> persons >> in Tennessee. >> >> >> >> BIBLIOGRAPHY: Eugene C. Barker, ed., The Austin Papers (3 vols., >> >> Washington: GPO, 1924-28). Eugene C. Barker, ed., "Minutes of the >> Ayuntamiento of San Felipe de Austin, 1828-1832," 12 parts, >> Southwestern >> Historical Quarterly 21-24 (January 1918-October 1920). Lester G. >> Bugbee, >> "The Old Three Hundred: A List of Settlers in Austin's First Colony," >> >> Quarterly of the Texas State Historical Association 1 (October >> 1897). Marie >> Beth Jones, Peach Point Plantation: The First 150 Years (Waco: >> Texian Press, >> 1982). P. E. Peareson, "Reminiscences of Judge Edwin Waller," >> >> Quarterly of the Texas State Historical Association 4 (July 1900). >> Edna >> Rowe, "The Disturbances at Anahuac in 1832," Quarterly of the Texas >> State >> Historical Association 6 (April 1903). Noah Smithwick, The Evolution >> of a >> State, or Recollections of Old Texas Days (Austin: Gammel, 1900; rpt., >> >> Austin: University of Texas Press, 1983). Telegraph and Texas >> Register, >> March 28, 1837. Visit to Texas (New York, Goodrich & Wiley, 1834; >> Austin, >> Steck, 1952). >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) >> Database version: 5.10870e >> http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

For all of those from the North Carolina Westall Family the following may be of some interest. There is a great deal of controversy as to whether there were two brothers that the North Carolina Westall family is descended from or whether there was only the one man by the name of Westall that the whole family is descended from. Regardless, this Thomas Westall came from North Carolinas via Tennessee and made quite a wide swath when he went to Texas in the mid 1820's as part of the Old Three Hundred settlers brought to Texas by Stephen F. Austin. When Thomas Westall's estate was probated ca. 1838 it was worth $398,000! Both Thomas and his eldest son James M. Westall received land in Texas and both died in 1833 as did a host of others in the Cholera epidemic of August 1833. Many of the Austin family had left San Felipe de Austin and went to the Westall Plantation to get away from the Cholera epidemic. The tragedy was that they brought the Cholera to the plantation and many died as a result. Bob http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/WW/fwe35.html WESTALL, THOMAS (?-1833). Thomas Westall, member of the Old Three Hundred.qv, was on his way to Texas from Tennessee in April 1824, when he stopped at Alexandria, Louisiana, where J. Thomas gave him a letter of recommendation to Stephen F. Austin.qv As one of Austin's Old Three Hundred settlers, Westall received title to two leagues and two labors of land in what became Wharton, Fort Bend, and Austin counties on July 19, 1824. In August 1824 Westall hired four slaves to Austin as part payment for his land. Westall went back to Tennessee and laid in a supply of merchandise in the fall of 1824. Both Stephen F. and J. E. B. Austin.qv bought supplies from him in March 1825. J. E. B. Austin married Westall's daughter, Eliza, in 1825 or 1826. The census of 1826 classified Westall as a farmer and stock raiser, aged between twenty-five and forty. His household included his wife, two sons, a daughter, and four slaves. In 1830 Westall agreed to build a brick house and do some fencing in San Felipe in return for building lots there. His plantation near the McNeil plantation on the Brazos River had a school taught by Timothy B. Phelps.qv In June 1832 Westall was on a committee to decide whether or not citizens at Brazoria should take part in the war against the Mexican garrison at Anahuac (see ANAHUAC DISTURBANCES). He was sent by John Austin.qv to order the Mexican collector at Brazoria to give up his arms and ammunition. Westall died in a cholera epidemic in 1833; James F. Perryqv wrote Austin of claims being made on his estate by persons in Tennessee. BIBLIOGRAPHY: Eugene C. Barker, ed., The Austin Papers (3 vols., Washington: GPO, 1924-28). Eugene C. Barker, ed., "Minutes of the Ayuntamiento of San Felipe de Austin, 1828-1832," 12 parts, Southwestern Historical Quarterly 21-24 (January 1918-October 1920). Lester G. Bugbee, "The Old Three Hundred: A List of Settlers in Austin's First Colony," Quarterly of the Texas State Historical Association 1 (October 1897). Marie Beth Jones, Peach Point Plantation: The First 150 Years (Waco: Texian Press, 1982). P. E. Peareson, "Reminiscences of Judge Edwin Waller," Quarterly of the Texas State Historical Association 4 (July 1900). Edna Rowe, "The Disturbances at Anahuac in 1832," Quarterly of the Texas State Historical Association 6 (April 1903). Noah Smithwick, The Evolution of a State, or Recollections of Old Texas Days (Austin: Gammel, 1900; rpt., Austin: University of Texas Press, 1983). Telegraph and Texas Register, March 28, 1837. Visit to Texas (New York, Goodrich & Wiley, 1834; Austin, Steck, 1952). E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) Database version: 5.10870e http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/

Hello, Bob (and all), Tom Camfield here. I dug up quite a bit about old Thomas Westall for my book published in 1998. The identity of Thomas has never been determined quite to everyone's satisfaction, and as near as I could tell, the confusion originated back in North Carolina, where some barely informed descendants confused him with his son William Brittain Westall. Before heading to Texas, he was fairly prominent in Tennessee (after leaving his first wife), where he also is said to have had a "plantation" and kept slaves. But my research in Tennessee came up short on several fronts. If my memory serves without digging out the book, he settled in Winchester, Tenn. I'm pretty sure this guy lied about his age along the way. The census records don't gibe too well from one to another. He was pretty well along in years when he took part in the Battle of Velasco, a prelude to the War with Mexico. I know that you, Bob, have all of this info, but if any of the others want some of it in further detail, I'd be happy to try and pass some of it along. I still have a few extras of my 350-pp hardcover books on "The Westalls and Their Kin." They cost me too much ($190 each to print up), but I'd be happy to donate a couple to libraries with decent genealogical sections. Some libraries back in N. C., one in Texas, and a few others already have it. Regards, Tom On Oct 9, 2008, at 2:38 PM, Bob Westall wrote: > For all of those from the North Carolina Westall Family the > following may be > of some interest. There is a great deal of controversy as to > whether there > were two brothers that the North Carolina Westall family is > descended from > or whether there was only the one man by the name of Westall that > the whole > family is descended from. > > Regardless, this Thomas Westall came from North Carolinas via > Tennessee and > made quite a wide swath when he went to Texas in the mid 1820's as > part of > the Old Three Hundred settlers brought to Texas by Stephen F. > Austin. When > Thomas Westall's estate was probated ca. 1838 it was worth > $398,000! Both > Thomas and his eldest son James M. Westall received land in Texas > and both > died in 1833 as did a host of others in the Cholera epidemic of > August 1833. > Many of the Austin family had left San Felipe de Austin and went to > the > Westall Plantation to get away from the Cholera epidemic. The > tragedy was > that they brought the Cholera to the plantation and many died as a > result. > > > > > Bob > > > > http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/WW/fwe35.html > > > > > > WESTALL, THOMAS (?-1833). Thomas Westall, member of the Old Three > Hundred.qv, was on his way to Texas from Tennessee in April 1824, > when he > stopped at Alexandria, Louisiana, where J. Thomas gave him a letter of > recommendation to Stephen F. Austin.qv As one of Austin's Old Three > Hundred > settlers, Westall received title to two leagues and two labors of > land in > what became Wharton, Fort Bend, and Austin counties on July 19, > 1824. In > August 1824 Westall hired four slaves to Austin as part payment for > his > land. Westall went back to Tennessee and laid in a supply of > merchandise in > the fall of 1824. Both Stephen F. and J. E. B. Austin.qv bought > supplies > from him in March 1825. J. E. B. Austin married Westall's daughter, > Eliza, > in 1825 or 1826. The census of 1826 classified Westall as a farmer > and stock > raiser, aged between twenty-five and forty. His household included > his wife, > two sons, a daughter, and four slaves. In 1830 Westall agreed to > build a > brick house and do some fencing in San Felipe in return for building > lots > there. His plantation near the McNeil plantation on the Brazos River > had a > school taught by Timothy B. Phelps.qv In June 1832 Westall was on a > committee to decide whether or not citizens at Brazoria should take > part in > the war against the Mexican garrison at Anahuac (see ANAHUAC > DISTURBANCES). > He was sent by John Austin.qv to order the Mexican collector at > Brazoria to > give up his arms and ammunition. Westall died in a cholera epidemic > in 1833; > James F. Perryqv wrote Austin of claims being made on his estate by > persons > in Tennessee. > > > > BIBLIOGRAPHY: Eugene C. Barker, ed., The Austin Papers (3 vols., > > Washington: GPO, 1924-28). Eugene C. Barker, ed., "Minutes of the > Ayuntamiento of San Felipe de Austin, 1828-1832," 12 parts, > Southwestern > Historical Quarterly 21-24 (January 1918-October 1920). Lester G. > Bugbee, > "The Old Three Hundred: A List of Settlers in Austin's First Colony," > > Quarterly of the Texas State Historical Association 1 (October > 1897). Marie > Beth Jones, Peach Point Plantation: The First 150 Years (Waco: > Texian Press, > 1982). P. E. Peareson, "Reminiscences of Judge Edwin Waller," > > Quarterly of the Texas State Historical Association 4 (July 1900). > Edna > Rowe, "The Disturbances at Anahuac in 1832," Quarterly of the Texas > State > Historical Association 6 (April 1903). Noah Smithwick, The Evolution > of a > State, or Recollections of Old Texas Days (Austin: Gammel, 1900; rpt., > > Austin: University of Texas Press, 1983). Telegraph and Texas > Register, > March 28, 1837. Visit to Texas (New York, Goodrich & Wiley, 1834; > Austin, > Steck, 1952). > > > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) > Database version: 5.10870e > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Dorothy, Mary Ann Westall, the daughter born 1826, aged 15 and Sarah Lewis, I think aged 85, so the grandmother, are together in the 1841 census in Newbury. I couldn't find the others in 1841 either. Gill Ford On 02/10/2008, at 5:29 AM, Bob Westall wrote: > Dorothy, > > Your William Westall married Sarah Lewis in Newbury, Berkshire, > Eng. I > cannot prove anything but in the 10 or so Westall Family groups I > have in > Berkshire, England there was a William Westall b 26 May 1799 in > Lambourne, > Berkshire, England. His parents were Isaac Westall and Hannah > Chalice. > Isaac & Hannah's children were: > > Jemima Westall b 21 May 1797 Lambourne, Berkshire, England > William Westall b 26 May 1799 Lambourne, Berkshire, England > Maria Westall b 09 May 1802 Lambourne, Berkshire, England > David Westall b 07 Jul 1804 Lambourne, Berkshire, England > Isaac Westall B 26 Apr 1807 Lambourne, Berkshire, England > > To date I have not found this William Westall in the 1841 English > Census > although that does not mean I have just missed him? > > Have you tried to get William's death certificate? Frankly, I am > not sure > what would be on it in 1840 but it might give you some clues? I will > continue to look through the Berkshire Westall's to see if I can > come up > with any other candidates! > > Good luck! > > Bob Westall > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: westall-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:westall-bounces@rootsweb.com > ] On > Behalf Of Dorothy Jones > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:10 AM > To: westall@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Mark Westall b ca. 1705 > > You'd think that with all this active WESTALL research I'd > be able to place my 'Bargeman' William WESTALL c1800-1840, > wouldn't you? I've been very tempted to 'adopt' James and > Nancy [nee MEDDEN], but how to prove it? > > My father used to tease my mother by singing 'The Vicar of > Bray'.** Did he know something of her family history that I > don't? > > William was of full age when he married Sarah LEWIS, a > minor, in Newbury in 1820. I believe Sarah was the daughter > of Francis LEWIS/Sarah as she appears in their household in > the 1815 Toomer's Census of Newbury. William signed the > marriage register with a very confident signature and his > children followed in the Newbury St Nicolas baptisms in this > sequence: > > 18 May 1821 Francis > 05 Oct 1823 Mary Ann WESTELL [sic] > 18 Jan 1826 William junr [my Great-grandfather] > 03 Feb 1829 James > 16 Aug 1837 Sarah [born 12 Aug 1837 bur 30 Jul 1838] > > What became of James I know not: his last confirmed > 'sighting' 1841 with his widowed mother and brothers. > > In the 1840s Sarah, widow, Mary Ann, Francis and William > converted to the Church of Latter Day Saints: William > became an Elder and Francis a Teacher, whilst Mary Ann & > husband George CANNING emigrated in 1849 on the Mormon trail > to Utah, followed in 1853 by widow Sarah. The emigrants > left the trail at Council Bluffs, Pottawattamie, Iowa, and > remained there. > > If this provokes any ideas amongst all you very experienced > WESTALL researchers, I'll be very grateful for your input. > > Dorothy > > ** Renowned for changes in allegiance in order to retain his > office. See > http://www.traditionalmusic.co.uk/song-midis/Vicar_of_Bray.htm > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) > Database version: 5.10810e > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) > Database version: 5.10820e > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Wouldn't that be exciting?Thanks Fred ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Westall" <fred_westall@msn.com> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Mark Westall b ca. 1705 > Hi Christine, > I've been in touch with a descendant of the Westall artists (Richard > Westall) and so far we have not found a definite link between our > respective > branches. It's possible there is a connection via William Westall > (b.1638) > who married Mary Chilvester (b.1638). Mary's parents were Edmund > Chilvester > (b.1610) and Mary Clidsdale (b. 1612) who married 29 Jul 1632 in > Hungerford. > The Westall artists line is very interesting and there are quite a few > Reverends as well as the Wilfred Westall, the Bishop of Crediton in that > line. In fact Bishop Wilfred Westall's line can be traced back to 1066 > and > all that! So let's hope the connection is made in due course. > Fred > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Christine Charles" <chris1@bigpond.net.au> > Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 10:59 PM > To: <westall@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Mark Westall b ca. 1705 > >> HI again >> >> Do you think that the painter was related to us Fred? >> Wouldn't that be wonderful to find out >> >> He certainly didn't pas any of his talent to me though >> >> LOLL >> >> Christine >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Fred Westall" <fred_westall@msn.com> >> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 6:05 PM >> Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Mark Westall b ca. 1705 >> >> >>> Eileen, >>> >>> I know Australian's are VERY pleased when they find convicts in the >>> family. >>> It's a bit like us poms feel when we find we are related to Diana (which >>> I'm >>> not, by the way!). >>> William Westall was transported to NSW for his part in the Berkshire >>> 'Swing' >>> Riots. He was arrested in Kintbury and convicted at Reading Assizes on >>> 27 >>> Dec 1830. He got a Life sentence (one of four that day I believe). He >>> sailed on the Prison Hulk, Eleanor from Portsmouth on 15 Feb 1831 and >>> was >>> finally freed on 9 Nov 1837 after serving just 7 years. It's not clear >>> what happened after that but he was 20 at the time of his deportation >>> which >>> would give him a dob of about 1810. The only William Westall I can't >>> account for was the son of Thomas Westall (b.1770) and Sarah Bray >>> (b.1766). >>> William was baptised on 16 Nov 1806 in Baydon which makes him a bit >>> old - >>> but possibly still our wayward lad. This would make him my 3rd cousin 5 >>> times removed. There are a couple of other possible candidates, but >>> this >>> is >>> the only one I can't account for after 1830. >>> Hope this helps. >>> >>> William Westall ARA was the brother of Richard Westall RA the famous >>> painter >>> (who also taught Queen Victoria to paint in watercolour). William was >>> on >>> the pioneering Flinders expedition to map Australia and he painted the >>> first >>> landscape pictures of the continent. There is even a Mount Westall >>> named >>> after him situated on the north-eastern side of Shoalwater Bay in >>> Queensland. I'm told it's a very remote place but if we design a >>> special >>> Westall flag do you think you could please pop up there to plant it? >>> ... >>> just kidding! ^_^ >>> >>> Fred >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "J & E Armstrong" <ellmay1@bigpond.com> >>> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 2:51 AM >>> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> >>> Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Mark Westall b ca. 1705 >>> >>>> Bob >>>> I have Sarah b 1733, Charity b 1738 and Mary b 1740 as Appleford >>>> sisters >>>> of >>>> Jane Appleford married to Richard Westall b 1730. >>>> I wish there weren't so many duplications of christian names in large >>>> Westall families. >>>> Whilst I am here I have two transported Westalls to offer.... 1 William >>>> Westall aboard the "Eleanor" in 1831 to Sydney and also Richard >>>> Westall >>>> in >>>> 1835 aboard the "Lord William Bentwick" to Tasmania. >>>> Both committed crimes associated with the farmworkers riots in that >>>> era.. >>>> I have not been able to locate family for them , or Henry Westall >>>> either. >>>> Henry doesn't feature in muJohn Appleford Westall family. >>>> >>>> Eileen >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Gill & Bob Thanks for your input. As mentioned, I have them in 1841 [FMP ref: HO107 piece 33 folio 7/12 page 18] I seem to recall that someone mentioned a mistranscription [BESTALL?] on Ancestry, to which I do not subscribe. Sharing the same building in Newbury was an Eliza SHEPPARD aged 30, whose record should assist in finding their location. I have the death certificates for both William WESTAL [sic] 1840, Bargeman supposedly aged 39, and Sarah LEWIS 1842, Widow aged 84. Although likely, I can't yet prove that this Sarah LEWIS was Mary Ann's Grandmother. Her late husband's name is not mentioned on the death certificate. According to Toomer's 1815 Census Sarah LEWIS, wife of Francis, was then 48, giving a birth year c1767; in 1841 her age appears mistakenly rounded down to 80, and age recorded at death suggests a much earlier birth year c1758. Hannah LEWIS of West Mills was the informant present at both deaths, but no relationship to the deceased is recorded in either case. It's possible that Hannah was sister-in-law to William WESTALL and daughter-in-law to Sarah LEWIS, whose late son Joseph appears to have married a Hannah. I feel that Bob's suggestion of the Lambourne connection is unlikely, as there is no repetition of Christian names, other than William, and most members of that family married in Lamboure. I sway towards James and Nancy [nee MEDDEN] as both were buried at Bray! A fellow researcher asked if I'd considered possible connections to the RESTALLs, a number of whom appear in Reading records. Having regard to speech impediments, I'd be interested to hear whether any other WESTALL researchers have pursued that train of thought? Dorothy

Hi Fred, Yes, that's the line as I have it. Not only Thomas (the plumber) moved from Hungerford to the Cookham area, but his brother James who married Nancy Medden did also. James and Nancy had a son William Westall, b. 1796 (one who you can't find in the 1841 and ff. censuses, by the way: was he deported?). How I got into the Hungerford Westalls was that I was looking for the family of William Wastell who married Agatha Whalley in 1822 at St. Pancras, London. The reason I looked at the Cookham Westells is that Thomas's son John, a physician, is listed as a Wastell in the 1881 census, retired and living next door in Cookham to Agatha Wastell, who was by then the 45- year widow of William Wastell, the proprietor of the Hoxton Madhouse. Some have thought because of John and Agatha's proximity in this census (it seems unlikely that it would be a coincidence) that they were related. I know other Wastell seekers of this particular William Wastell who have felt the same. John Wastell (so-called in the 1881 census) is called John Westall or Westell everywhere else. I wondered whether James and Nancy's William Westall, b. 1796 could be my William Wastell, a cousin of John's. So I went back and did the genealogy back to William and Mary Chilvester, which you have seen, Fred, and you said it pretty much agreed with yours. Another researcher thought that another William Westall, chr. 10 Aug. 1788, Hungerford (son of Edward Westall and Ann Burch, Edward being another brother of Thomas Westall the plumber). This William Westall is closer to the age of my William Wastell, but he married a Caroline ? from Bath, Somerset, and they are in the early censuses, by which time my William Wastell had died. So this is not correct. (My William Wastell married first Louisa Miles, daughter of Sir Jonathan Miles, but she died, and then he married Agatha.) Eventually I contacted descendants of William Madhouse Wastell and found his death announcement in the Times, giving his age. So he was born about 1789 and died in 1836 at age 47. He is not directly related to the Hungerford Westalls it seems to me. He probably belongs to my clan of Wastells (John Wastell and Ann Mayhew) who were silkweavers in Spitalfields. There are two William Wastells b. c. 1788 unaccounted for in that clan. The other possibility is that he came from up north. There was an older William Wastell from Yorkshire living in London, and hho died about the right time and his son and heir was a William Wastell. I have done just about all I can on this, and it's still at the stage of not proven. I also looked at Richard and William Westall the artists for a number of reasons. William Westall went to Australia as ship's artist on The Independent with Matthew Flinders. The ship foundered on the coast of Aus., and he ended up going to China and other places. Three of William and Agatha's sons emigrated to Australia. You see how we chase up all these possible links! A small item maybe not of much interest is that William McGrath, the artist, was boarding in London with the daur-in-law of William and Agatha (Augustus's wife) in the 1881 census. Also William Westall and his wife Ann were having their children in St. Pancras around this time. You feel there are connections, but they don't quite gel. The Wastells came with William the Conqueror from Normandy in the 1100s. They settled in Westmorland, but spread throughout the country with pockets in many counties. I have traced much of the genealogy of the Wastells of London, Kent, and Shropshire. Others have looked at Yorkshire. Someone has followed the Coventry Wastells. In the mid to late 1400s John Wastell the Master stonemason was born, someone says in Kent (but no proof); he seems to have lived in Bury St. Edmunds. He spread his genius in many churches where he worked. In the 1600s the Wastells reached their zenith in John Wastell of Scorton (moved from Westmorland to Yorkshire), who was in the rump parliament of Cromwell. Until then the Wastells married nobility. The Westmorland Wastells owned land in Dunstable and Northampton. John Wastell and Simon Wastell (the headmaster of the Free School at Northampton) were there in the 1500s. Both came from Westmorland but were probably not closely related (i.e., not cousins). John Wastell of Northampton's sons Thomas (heir) and William Wastell, a mercer (in the early 1600s) were business men and lived in London. Thomas's family were decimated by the Black Death in St Peter Cornhill in London in 1625. He lost his wife and children and married Deborah Whaley, who had lost her husband and children the same way. Thomas took over being the landlord of the Mermaid Tavern. There is a chance that the Spitalfield line of Wastells came from the Northampton line. I can make a reasoned case for it, but because of the gap in records it can never be proven, I think. Many Wastells I have met from this clan were told by relatives that these Wastells in Spitalfield were Huguenots (as so many silkweavers were), but I believe they were born in England and had been there a long time. They were from France, but centuries before the Huguenots. The Normans were Vikings of course, the smartest, most cultured people of their day (in the West). I hope this has been of interest to you. Sorry if I bored you! Gill Wastell Ford On 01/10/2008, at 6:47 PM, Fred Westall wrote: > Hi Gillian, > > It's very nice to hear from you again. It'll be good to confirm > notes with > you on this particular Westall branch. > > I have a Thomas Westall (bap. 2 Jul 1766, Hungerford) mar. Mary Heuse > (b.1775, Bisham Berks) on 5 Jun 1801 in Cookham, Berks. > I have 7 children for them, some being Westall and some being Westell. > Could this be another Westell variant? > Thomas's parents were William Westall (b.1736) and Anne Savage (b. > 1734) who > married 9 Jun 1760 in Hungerford. They had 6 children all born in > Hungerford. > William's father was Edward Westall (b. 1697, Hungerford) who married > Elizabeth? They had 9 children. > Edwards parents were Edward Westall (b.1664, Hungerford) and > Elizabeth Head > who married 4 Oct 1694 in Ashbury. > Edward's parents were William Westall and Mary Chilvester who had 5 > children. Edward's bro. was William Westall (1673, Chute) who married > Martha King on 17 Oct 1699 in Chute, Wilts. > > Your family line (Wastell) is very interesting. First you managed to > beat > all of us by transposing the 'a' and the 'e' (;o)), and secondly > didn't your > ancestors come to London via Hertfordshire and have a few artists of > their > own? The Westall artists (Richard and William) originated in Norfolk > and > then moved to Hertfordshire. I think there's a slim possibility the > famous > artists may well be connected with your branch and that your branch > may well > be connected with mine. Just a thought. I'd be proud to have you > as a > cousin ;0) > > Once the connections between the artist Westall's the Wiltshire > Westall's > and the Wastell's are established then our family tree will suddenly > expand > dramatically! Just the lancashire westall's (around Bradford/ > Oswaldwistle) > to connect and I think we've got all the UK Westall's... Just a > thought and > a challenge for all Westall's out there. > > Fred > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Gillian Ford" <gford1@bigpond.net.au> > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:01 AM > To: <westall@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Mark Westall b ca. 1705 > b.1673 >> Dear Fred: You know that Richard Westall and his brother came from >> Norwich. You and I have been in touch over the Hungerford Westalls >> two >> of whom went to Cookham/Maidenhead. Their ancestor was William >> Westall >> and Mary Chilvester. In the 1851 census, Thomas is still alive (b. >> 1766) and it says he comes from Fairford, Gloucester. Yet, he came >> from the Hungerford line of Westalls who are traceable back 200 >> years. >> It's hard to see that it could be a mistake. Did he know something we >> don't? >> >> Gill (Wastell) Ford >> >> On 01/10/2008, at 5:45 PM, Fred Westall wrote: >> >>> Hi Christine, >>> I've been in touch with a descendant of the Westall artists (Richard >>> Westall) and so far we have not found a definite link between our >>> respective >>> branches. It's possible there is a connection via William Westall >>> (b.1638) >>> who married Mary Chilvester (b.1638). Mary's parents were Edmund >>> Chilvester >>> (b.1610) and Mary Clidsdale (b. 1612) who married 29 Jul 1632 in >>> Hungerford. >>> The Westall artists line is very interesting and there are quite a >>> few >>> Reverends as well as the Wilfred Westall, the Bishop of Crediton in >>> that >>> line. In fact Bishop Wilfred Westall's line can be traced back to >>> 1066 and >>> all that! So let's hope the connection is made in due course. >>> Fred >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Christine Charles" <chris1@bigpond.net.au> >>> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 10:59 PM >>> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> >>> Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Mark Westall b ca. 1705 >>> >>>> HI again >>>> >>>> Do you think that the painter was related to us Fred? >>>> Wouldn't that be wonderful to find out >>>> >>>> He certainly didn't pas any of his talent to me though >>>> >>>> LOLL >>>> >>>> Christine >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Fred Westall" <fred_westall@msn.com> >>>> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 6:05 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Mark Westall b ca. 1705 >>>> >>>> >>>>> Eileen, >>>>> >>>>> I know Australian's are VERY pleased when they find convicts in >>>>> the >>>>> family. >>>>> It's a bit like us poms feel when we find we are related to Diana >>>>> (which >>>>> I'm >>>>> not, by the way!). >>>>> William Westall was transported to NSW for his part in the >>>>> Berkshire >>>>> 'Swing' >>>>> Riots. He was arrested in Kintbury and convicted at Reading >>>>> Assizes on 27 >>>>> Dec 1830. He got a Life sentence (one of four that day I >>>>> believe). He >>>>> sailed on the Prison Hulk, Eleanor from Portsmouth on 15 Feb 1831 >>>>> and was >>>>> finally freed on 9 Nov 1837 after serving just 7 years. It's not >>>>> clear >>>>> what happened after that but he was 20 at the time of his >>>>> deportation >>>>> which >>>>> would give him a dob of about 1810. The only William Westall I >>>>> can't >>>>> account for was the son of Thomas Westall (b.1770) and Sarah Bray >>>>> (b.1766). >>>>> William was baptised on 16 Nov 1806 in Baydon which makes him a >>>>> bit old - >>>>> but possibly still our wayward lad. This would make him my 3rd >>>>> cousin 5 >>>>> times removed. There are a couple of other possible candidates, >>>>> but this >>>>> is >>>>> the only one I can't account for after 1830. >>>>> Hope this helps. >>>>> >>>>> William Westall ARA was the brother of Richard Westall RA the >>>>> famous >>>>> painter >>>>> (who also taught Queen Victoria to paint in watercolour). >>>>> William was >>>>> on >>>>> the pioneering Flinders expedition to map Australia and he painted >>>>> the >>>>> first >>>>> landscape pictures of the continent. There is even a Mount >>>>> Westall named >>>>> after him situated on the north-eastern side of Shoalwater Bay in >>>>> Queensland. I'm told it's a very remote place but if we design a >>>>> special >>>>> Westall flag do you think you could please pop up there to plant >>>>> it? >>>>> ... >>>>> just kidding! ^_^ >>>>> >>>>> Fred >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>> From: "J & E Armstrong" <ellmay1@bigpond.com> >>>>> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 2:51 AM >>>>> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Mark Westall b ca. 1705 >>>>> >>>>>> Bob >>>>>> I have Sarah b 1733, Charity b 1738 and Mary b 1740 as Appleford >>>>>> sisters >>>>>> of >>>>>> Jane Appleford married to Richard Westall b 1730. >>>>>> I wish there weren't so many duplications of christian names in >>>>>> large >>>>>> Westall families. >>>>>> Whilst I am here I have two transported Westalls to offer.... 1 >>>>>> William >>>>>> Westall aboard the "Eleanor" in 1831 to Sydney and also Richard >>>>>> Westall >>>>>> in >>>>>> 1835 aboard the "Lord William Bentwick" to Tasmania. >>>>>> Both committed crimes associated with the farmworkers riots in >>>>>> that >>>>>> era.. >>>>>> I have not been able to locate family for them , or Henry Westall >>>>>> either. >>>>>> Henry doesn't feature in muJohn Appleford Westall family. >>>>>> >>>>>> Eileen >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>> the >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>> the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>> the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Dear Fred: You know that Richard Westall and his brother came from Norwich. You and I have been in touch over the Hungerford Westalls two of whom went to Cookham/Maidenhead. Their ancestor was William Westall and Mary Chilvester. In the 1851 census, Thomas is still alive (b. 1766) and it says he comes from Fairford, Gloucester. Yet, he came from the Hungerford line of Westalls who are traceable back 200 years. It's hard to see that it could be a mistake. Did he know something we don't? Gill (Wastell) Ford On 01/10/2008, at 5:45 PM, Fred Westall wrote: > Hi Christine, > I've been in touch with a descendant of the Westall artists (Richard > Westall) and so far we have not found a definite link between our > respective > branches. It's possible there is a connection via William Westall > (b.1638) > who married Mary Chilvester (b.1638). Mary's parents were Edmund > Chilvester > (b.1610) and Mary Clidsdale (b. 1612) who married 29 Jul 1632 in > Hungerford. > The Westall artists line is very interesting and there are quite a few > Reverends as well as the Wilfred Westall, the Bishop of Crediton in > that > line. In fact Bishop Wilfred Westall's line can be traced back to > 1066 and > all that! So let's hope the connection is made in due course. > Fred > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Christine Charles" <chris1@bigpond.net.au> > Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 10:59 PM > To: <westall@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Mark Westall b ca. 1705 > >> HI again >> >> Do you think that the painter was related to us Fred? >> Wouldn't that be wonderful to find out >> >> He certainly didn't pas any of his talent to me though >> >> LOLL >> >> Christine >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Fred Westall" <fred_westall@msn.com> >> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 6:05 PM >> Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Mark Westall b ca. 1705 >> >> >>> Eileen, >>> >>> I know Australian's are VERY pleased when they find convicts in the >>> family. >>> It's a bit like us poms feel when we find we are related to Diana >>> (which >>> I'm >>> not, by the way!). >>> William Westall was transported to NSW for his part in the Berkshire >>> 'Swing' >>> Riots. He was arrested in Kintbury and convicted at Reading >>> Assizes on 27 >>> Dec 1830. He got a Life sentence (one of four that day I >>> believe). He >>> sailed on the Prison Hulk, Eleanor from Portsmouth on 15 Feb 1831 >>> and was >>> finally freed on 9 Nov 1837 after serving just 7 years. It's not >>> clear >>> what happened after that but he was 20 at the time of his >>> deportation >>> which >>> would give him a dob of about 1810. The only William Westall I >>> can't >>> account for was the son of Thomas Westall (b.1770) and Sarah Bray >>> (b.1766). >>> William was baptised on 16 Nov 1806 in Baydon which makes him a >>> bit old - >>> but possibly still our wayward lad. This would make him my 3rd >>> cousin 5 >>> times removed. There are a couple of other possible candidates, >>> but this >>> is >>> the only one I can't account for after 1830. >>> Hope this helps. >>> >>> William Westall ARA was the brother of Richard Westall RA the famous >>> painter >>> (who also taught Queen Victoria to paint in watercolour). >>> William was >>> on >>> the pioneering Flinders expedition to map Australia and he painted >>> the >>> first >>> landscape pictures of the continent. There is even a Mount >>> Westall named >>> after him situated on the north-eastern side of Shoalwater Bay in >>> Queensland. I'm told it's a very remote place but if we design a >>> special >>> Westall flag do you think you could please pop up there to plant it? >>> ... >>> just kidding! ^_^ >>> >>> Fred >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "J & E Armstrong" <ellmay1@bigpond.com> >>> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 2:51 AM >>> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> >>> Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Mark Westall b ca. 1705 >>> >>>> Bob >>>> I have Sarah b 1733, Charity b 1738 and Mary b 1740 as Appleford >>>> sisters >>>> of >>>> Jane Appleford married to Richard Westall b 1730. >>>> I wish there weren't so many duplications of christian names in >>>> large >>>> Westall families. >>>> Whilst I am here I have two transported Westalls to offer.... 1 >>>> William >>>> Westall aboard the "Eleanor" in 1831 to Sydney and also Richard >>>> Westall >>>> in >>>> 1835 aboard the "Lord William Bentwick" to Tasmania. >>>> Both committed crimes associated with the farmworkers riots in that >>>> era.. >>>> I have not been able to locate family for them , or Henry Westall >>>> either. >>>> Henry doesn't feature in muJohn Appleford Westall family. >>>> >>>> Eileen >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Dorothy, Your William Westall married Sarah Lewis in Newbury, Berkshire, Eng. I cannot prove anything but in the 10 or so Westall Family groups I have in Berkshire, England there was a William Westall b 26 May 1799 in Lambourne, Berkshire, England. His parents were Isaac Westall and Hannah Chalice. Isaac & Hannah's children were: Jemima Westall b 21 May 1797 Lambourne, Berkshire, England William Westall b 26 May 1799 Lambourne, Berkshire, England Maria Westall b 09 May 1802 Lambourne, Berkshire, England David Westall b 07 Jul 1804 Lambourne, Berkshire, England Isaac Westall B 26 Apr 1807 Lambourne, Berkshire, England To date I have not found this William Westall in the 1841 English Census although that does not mean I have just missed him? Have you tried to get William's death certificate? Frankly, I am not sure what would be on it in 1840 but it might give you some clues? I will continue to look through the Berkshire Westall's to see if I can come up with any other candidates! Good luck! Bob Westall -----Original Message----- From: westall-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:westall-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dorothy Jones Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:10 AM To: westall@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Mark Westall b ca. 1705 You'd think that with all this active WESTALL research I'd be able to place my 'Bargeman' William WESTALL c1800-1840, wouldn't you? I've been very tempted to 'adopt' James and Nancy [nee MEDDEN], but how to prove it? My father used to tease my mother by singing 'The Vicar of Bray'.** Did he know something of her family history that I don't? William was of full age when he married Sarah LEWIS, a minor, in Newbury in 1820. I believe Sarah was the daughter of Francis LEWIS/Sarah as she appears in their household in the 1815 Toomer's Census of Newbury. William signed the marriage register with a very confident signature and his children followed in the Newbury St Nicolas baptisms in this sequence: 18 May 1821 Francis 05 Oct 1823 Mary Ann WESTELL [sic] 18 Jan 1826 William junr [my Great-grandfather] 03 Feb 1829 James 16 Aug 1837 Sarah [born 12 Aug 1837 bur 30 Jul 1838] What became of James I know not: his last confirmed 'sighting' 1841 with his widowed mother and brothers. In the 1840s Sarah, widow, Mary Ann, Francis and William converted to the Church of Latter Day Saints: William became an Elder and Francis a Teacher, whilst Mary Ann & husband George CANNING emigrated in 1849 on the Mormon trail to Utah, followed in 1853 by widow Sarah. The emigrants left the trail at Council Bluffs, Pottawattamie, Iowa, and remained there. If this provokes any ideas amongst all you very experienced WESTALL researchers, I'll be very grateful for your input. Dorothy ** Renowned for changes in allegiance in order to retain his office. See http://www.traditionalmusic.co.uk/song-midis/Vicar_of_Bray.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) Database version: 5.10810e http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) Database version: 5.10820e http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/

You'd think that with all this active WESTALL research I'd be able to place my 'Bargeman' William WESTALL c1800-1840, wouldn't you? I've been very tempted to 'adopt' James and Nancy [nee MEDDEN], but how to prove it? My father used to tease my mother by singing 'The Vicar of Bray'.** Did he know something of her family history that I don't? William was of full age when he married Sarah LEWIS, a minor, in Newbury in 1820. I believe Sarah was the daughter of Francis LEWIS/Sarah as she appears in their household in the 1815 Toomer's Census of Newbury. William signed the marriage register with a very confident signature and his children followed in the Newbury St Nicolas baptisms in this sequence: 18 May 1821 Francis 05 Oct 1823 Mary Ann WESTELL [sic] 18 Jan 1826 William junr [my Great-grandfather] 03 Feb 1829 James 16 Aug 1837 Sarah [born 12 Aug 1837 bur 30 Jul 1838] What became of James I know not: his last confirmed 'sighting' 1841 with his widowed mother and brothers. In the 1840s Sarah, widow, Mary Ann, Francis and William converted to the Church of Latter Day Saints: William became an Elder and Francis a Teacher, whilst Mary Ann & husband George CANNING emigrated in 1849 on the Mormon trail to Utah, followed in 1853 by widow Sarah. The emigrants left the trail at Council Bluffs, Pottawattamie, Iowa, and remained there. If this provokes any ideas amongst all you very experienced WESTALL researchers, I'll be very grateful for your input. Dorothy ** Renowned for changes in allegiance in order to retain his office. See http://www.traditionalmusic.co.uk/song-midis/Vicar_of_Bray.htm

Hi Gillian, It's very nice to hear from you again. It'll be good to confirm notes with you on this particular Westall branch. I have a Thomas Westall (bap. 2 Jul 1766, Hungerford) mar. Mary Heuse (b.1775, Bisham Berks) on 5 Jun 1801 in Cookham, Berks. I have 7 children for them, some being Westall and some being Westell. Could this be another Westell variant? Thomas's parents were William Westall (b.1736) and Anne Savage (b.1734) who married 9 Jun 1760 in Hungerford. They had 6 children all born in Hungerford. William's father was Edward Westall (b. 1697, Hungerford) who married Elizabeth? They had 9 children. Edwards parents were Edward Westall (b.1664, Hungerford) and Elizabeth Head who married 4 Oct 1694 in Ashbury. Edward's parents were William Westall and Mary Chilvester who had 5 children. Edward's bro. was William Westall (1673, Chute) who married Martha King on 17 Oct 1699 in Chute, Wilts. Your family line (Wastell) is very interesting. First you managed to beat all of us by transposing the 'a' and the 'e' (;o)), and secondly didn't your ancestors come to London via Hertfordshire and have a few artists of their own? The Westall artists (Richard and William) originated in Norfolk and then moved to Hertfordshire. I think there's a slim possibility the famous artists may well be connected with your branch and that your branch may well be connected with mine. Just a thought. I'd be proud to have you as a cousin ;0) Once the connections between the artist Westall's the Wiltshire Westall's and the Wastell's are established then our family tree will suddenly expand dramatically! Just the lancashire westall's (around Bradford/Oswaldwistle) to connect and I think we've got all the UK Westall's... Just a thought and a challenge for all Westall's out there. Fred -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gillian Ford" <gford1@bigpond.net.au> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:01 AM To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Mark Westall b ca. 1705 b.1673 > Dear Fred: You know that Richard Westall and his brother came from > Norwich. You and I have been in touch over the Hungerford Westalls two > of whom went to Cookham/Maidenhead. Their ancestor was William Westall > and Mary Chilvester. In the 1851 census, Thomas is still alive (b. > 1766) and it says he comes from Fairford, Gloucester. Yet, he came > from the Hungerford line of Westalls who are traceable back 200 years. > It's hard to see that it could be a mistake. Did he know something we > don't? > > Gill (Wastell) Ford > > On 01/10/2008, at 5:45 PM, Fred Westall wrote: > >> Hi Christine, >> I've been in touch with a descendant of the Westall artists (Richard >> Westall) and so far we have not found a definite link between our >> respective >> branches. It's possible there is a connection via William Westall >> (b.1638) >> who married Mary Chilvester (b.1638). Mary's parents were Edmund >> Chilvester >> (b.1610) and Mary Clidsdale (b. 1612) who married 29 Jul 1632 in >> Hungerford. >> The Westall artists line is very interesting and there are quite a few >> Reverends as well as the Wilfred Westall, the Bishop of Crediton in >> that >> line. In fact Bishop Wilfred Westall's line can be traced back to >> 1066 and >> all that! So let's hope the connection is made in due course. >> Fred >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Christine Charles" <chris1@bigpond.net.au> >> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 10:59 PM >> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Mark Westall b ca. 1705 >> >>> HI again >>> >>> Do you think that the painter was related to us Fred? >>> Wouldn't that be wonderful to find out >>> >>> He certainly didn't pas any of his talent to me though >>> >>> LOLL >>> >>> Christine >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Fred Westall" <fred_westall@msn.com> >>> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 6:05 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Mark Westall b ca. 1705 >>> >>> >>>> Eileen, >>>> >>>> I know Australian's are VERY pleased when they find convicts in the >>>> family. >>>> It's a bit like us poms feel when we find we are related to Diana >>>> (which >>>> I'm >>>> not, by the way!). >>>> William Westall was transported to NSW for his part in the Berkshire >>>> 'Swing' >>>> Riots. He was arrested in Kintbury and convicted at Reading >>>> Assizes on 27 >>>> Dec 1830. He got a Life sentence (one of four that day I >>>> believe). He >>>> sailed on the Prison Hulk, Eleanor from Portsmouth on 15 Feb 1831 >>>> and was >>>> finally freed on 9 Nov 1837 after serving just 7 years. It's not >>>> clear >>>> what happened after that but he was 20 at the time of his >>>> deportation >>>> which >>>> would give him a dob of about 1810. The only William Westall I >>>> can't >>>> account for was the son of Thomas Westall (b.1770) and Sarah Bray >>>> (b.1766). >>>> William was baptised on 16 Nov 1806 in Baydon which makes him a >>>> bit old - >>>> but possibly still our wayward lad. This would make him my 3rd >>>> cousin 5 >>>> times removed. There are a couple of other possible candidates, >>>> but this >>>> is >>>> the only one I can't account for after 1830. >>>> Hope this helps. >>>> >>>> William Westall ARA was the brother of Richard Westall RA the famous >>>> painter >>>> (who also taught Queen Victoria to paint in watercolour). >>>> William was >>>> on >>>> the pioneering Flinders expedition to map Australia and he painted >>>> the >>>> first >>>> landscape pictures of the continent. There is even a Mount >>>> Westall named >>>> after him situated on the north-eastern side of Shoalwater Bay in >>>> Queensland. I'm told it's a very remote place but if we design a >>>> special >>>> Westall flag do you think you could please pop up there to plant it? >>>> ... >>>> just kidding! ^_^ >>>> >>>> Fred >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "J & E Armstrong" <ellmay1@bigpond.com> >>>> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 2:51 AM >>>> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Mark Westall b ca. 1705 >>>> >>>>> Bob >>>>> I have Sarah b 1733, Charity b 1738 and Mary b 1740 as Appleford >>>>> sisters >>>>> of >>>>> Jane Appleford married to Richard Westall b 1730. >>>>> I wish there weren't so many duplications of christian names in >>>>> large >>>>> Westall families. >>>>> Whilst I am here I have two transported Westalls to offer.... 1 >>>>> William >>>>> Westall aboard the "Eleanor" in 1831 to Sydney and also Richard >>>>> Westall >>>>> in >>>>> 1835 aboard the "Lord William Bentwick" to Tasmania. >>>>> Both committed crimes associated with the farmworkers riots in that >>>>> era.. >>>>> I have not been able to locate family for them , or Henry Westall >>>>> either. >>>>> Henry doesn't feature in muJohn Appleford Westall family. >>>>> >>>>> Eileen >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>> the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Christine, I've been in touch with a descendant of the Westall artists (Richard Westall) and so far we have not found a definite link between our respective branches. It's possible there is a connection via William Westall (b.1638) who married Mary Chilvester (b.1638). Mary's parents were Edmund Chilvester (b.1610) and Mary Clidsdale (b. 1612) who married 29 Jul 1632 in Hungerford. The Westall artists line is very interesting and there are quite a few Reverends as well as the Wilfred Westall, the Bishop of Crediton in that line. In fact Bishop Wilfred Westall's line can be traced back to 1066 and all that! So let's hope the connection is made in due course. Fred -------------------------------------------------- From: "Christine Charles" <chris1@bigpond.net.au> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 10:59 PM To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Mark Westall b ca. 1705 > HI again > > Do you think that the painter was related to us Fred? > Wouldn't that be wonderful to find out > > He certainly didn't pas any of his talent to me though > > LOLL > > Christine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fred Westall" <fred_westall@msn.com> > To: <westall@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 6:05 PM > Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Mark Westall b ca. 1705 > > >> Eileen, >> >> I know Australian's are VERY pleased when they find convicts in the >> family. >> It's a bit like us poms feel when we find we are related to Diana (which >> I'm >> not, by the way!). >> William Westall was transported to NSW for his part in the Berkshire >> 'Swing' >> Riots. He was arrested in Kintbury and convicted at Reading Assizes on 27 >> Dec 1830. He got a Life sentence (one of four that day I believe). He >> sailed on the Prison Hulk, Eleanor from Portsmouth on 15 Feb 1831 and was >> finally freed on 9 Nov 1837 after serving just 7 years. It's not clear >> what happened after that but he was 20 at the time of his deportation >> which >> would give him a dob of about 1810. The only William Westall I can't >> account for was the son of Thomas Westall (b.1770) and Sarah Bray >> (b.1766). >> William was baptised on 16 Nov 1806 in Baydon which makes him a bit old - >> but possibly still our wayward lad. This would make him my 3rd cousin 5 >> times removed. There are a couple of other possible candidates, but this >> is >> the only one I can't account for after 1830. >> Hope this helps. >> >> William Westall ARA was the brother of Richard Westall RA the famous >> painter >> (who also taught Queen Victoria to paint in watercolour). William was >> on >> the pioneering Flinders expedition to map Australia and he painted the >> first >> landscape pictures of the continent. There is even a Mount Westall named >> after him situated on the north-eastern side of Shoalwater Bay in >> Queensland. I'm told it's a very remote place but if we design a special >> Westall flag do you think you could please pop up there to plant it? >> ... >> just kidding! ^_^ >> >> Fred >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "J & E Armstrong" <ellmay1@bigpond.com> >> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 2:51 AM >> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Mark Westall b ca. 1705 >> >>> Bob >>> I have Sarah b 1733, Charity b 1738 and Mary b 1740 as Appleford sisters >>> of >>> Jane Appleford married to Richard Westall b 1730. >>> I wish there weren't so many duplications of christian names in large >>> Westall families. >>> Whilst I am here I have two transported Westalls to offer.... 1 William >>> Westall aboard the "Eleanor" in 1831 to Sydney and also Richard Westall >>> in >>> 1835 aboard the "Lord William Bentwick" to Tasmania. >>> Both committed crimes associated with the farmworkers riots in that >>> era.. >>> I have not been able to locate family for them , or Henry Westall >>> either. >>> Henry doesn't feature in muJohn Appleford Westall family. >>> >>> Eileen >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

HI again Do you think that the painter was related to us Fred? Wouldn't that be wonderful to find out He certainly didn't pas any of his talent to me though LOLL Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Westall" <fred_westall@msn.com> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Mark Westall b ca. 1705 > Eileen, > > I know Australian's are VERY pleased when they find convicts in the > family. > It's a bit like us poms feel when we find we are related to Diana (which > I'm > not, by the way!). > William Westall was transported to NSW for his part in the Berkshire > 'Swing' > Riots. He was arrested in Kintbury and convicted at Reading Assizes on 27 > Dec 1830. He got a Life sentence (one of four that day I believe). He > sailed on the Prison Hulk, Eleanor from Portsmouth on 15 Feb 1831 and was > finally freed on 9 Nov 1837 after serving just 7 years. It's not clear > what happened after that but he was 20 at the time of his deportation > which > would give him a dob of about 1810. The only William Westall I can't > account for was the son of Thomas Westall (b.1770) and Sarah Bray > (b.1766). > William was baptised on 16 Nov 1806 in Baydon which makes him a bit old - > but possibly still our wayward lad. This would make him my 3rd cousin 5 > times removed. There are a couple of other possible candidates, but this > is > the only one I can't account for after 1830. > Hope this helps. > > William Westall ARA was the brother of Richard Westall RA the famous > painter > (who also taught Queen Victoria to paint in watercolour). William was on > the pioneering Flinders expedition to map Australia and he painted the > first > landscape pictures of the continent. There is even a Mount Westall named > after him situated on the north-eastern side of Shoalwater Bay in > Queensland. I'm told it's a very remote place but if we design a special > Westall flag do you think you could please pop up there to plant it? > ... > just kidding! ^_^ > > Fred > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "J & E Armstrong" <ellmay1@bigpond.com> > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 2:51 AM > To: <westall@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Mark Westall b ca. 1705 > >> Bob >> I have Sarah b 1733, Charity b 1738 and Mary b 1740 as Appleford sisters >> of >> Jane Appleford married to Richard Westall b 1730. >> I wish there weren't so many duplications of christian names in large >> Westall families. >> Whilst I am here I have two transported Westalls to offer.... 1 William >> Westall aboard the "Eleanor" in 1831 to Sydney and also Richard Westall >> in >> 1835 aboard the "Lord William Bentwick" to Tasmania. >> Both committed crimes associated with the farmworkers riots in that era.. >> I have not been able to locate family for them , or Henry Westall either. >> Henry doesn't feature in muJohn Appleford Westall family. >> >> Eileen >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Re Henry Westall. This afternoon i have found... Henry Westall chr.28 June 1879 Ramsbury, son of Thomas Westall and Sarah Dobson and also Henry Thomas Westall chr. 29 May1897 Ramsbury. son of Thomas Westall and Sarah Watts. I think Thomas may be a son of George Westall and Elizabeth Spanswick. Eileen

Bob I have Sarah b 1733, Charity b 1738 and Mary b 1740 as Appleford sisters of Jane Appleford married to Richard Westall b 1730. I wish there weren't so many duplications of christian names in large Westall families. Whilst I am here I have two transported Westalls to offer.... 1 William Westall aboard the "Eleanor" in 1831 to Sydney and also Richard Westall in 1835 aboard the "Lord William Bentwick" to Tasmania. Both committed crimes associated with the farmworkers riots in that era.. I have not been able to locate family for them , or Henry Westall either. Henry doesn't feature in muJohn Appleford Westall family. Eileen

Thanks Fred Mark Westall is my 6th Great Grandfather (according to what evidence I have so far, not all of it verified - the Ramsbury Westalls are indeed difficult to unravel). I didn't know about his parents and grandparents though, so thank you for that tidbit. Tim Adams Noumea -----Original Message----- From: westall-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:westall-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fred Westall Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 7:27 AM To: westall@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Mark Westall b ca. 1705 Yes Indeed - proud to have you as my cousins! Bob - I also have Mark Westall (bap. 5 Sep 1703) & Sarah as having the four children you list.: 1. Richard (bap 23 Aug 1730, Ramsbury) who married Jane Appleford (1739, Ramsbury) 2. Mary (bap 22 Feb 1740, Ramsbury) who married Joseph Lewington (1739, Ramsbury) 3. Sarah (bap 18 Nov 1733, Ramsbury) 4. Charity (bap 16 Jul 1738, Ramsbury) The parents of Mark were William Westall (1659, Aldbourne) and Sarah Sylvester (1660, Lacock) William's parents were William (1638, Aldbourne) and Margery Willis (1630, Unknown). Therefore, Aldbourne seems to be where at least our extended family started! We should have a westall reunion there sometime. Fred

Here are the details anyway ^_^ 1st Gen: Thomas Sylvester (b.1525 Lacock, bur. 28 Oct 1605 Lacock) m. Elizabeth (b.1527 Lacock, bur. 30 Jul 1584 Lacock) m. 1547 Lacock 2nd Gen: Richard Sylvester (b. 1550 Lacock, bur. 11 Jan 1617) m. Margaret Gilbert (b. 1550 Lacock) 19 Sep 1580 Lacock. (Previously m. to Sarah Quarrel) 3rd Gen: Edward Sylvester (bap. 8 Mar 1584 Lacock, bur. 30 Oct 1637 Lacock) m. Joan Batchellor (b.1592, bur. 16 Apr 1644 Lacock) on 5 Oct 1612 Lacock. 4th Gen: Edward Sylvester (bap. 30 May 1624 Lacock) m. Mary (b.1624 n/k) in abt. 1646 Lacock 5th Gen: Sarah Sylvester (bap. 29 Aug 1660 Lacock) m. William Westall (bap. 16 Jan 1659 Aldbourne).. ... then all the way down to me 9 generations later.... ^_^ Fred -------------------------------------------------- From: "Fred Westall" <fred_westall@msn.com> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 9:16 AM To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Mark Westall b ca. 1705 > Hi cousin, > It's a pleasure. But I think the original source of the information was > Christine - so I think she should get the credit for tracing our earliest > Wiltshire Westall's. > By the way, I now believe that Sarah Sylvester (1660, Lacock) was the > daughter of Edward Sylvester (bap 30 May 1624, Lacock) and Mary. The > Sylvester line in Lacock can then be traced all the way back another 5 > generations to Thomas Sylvester (b. 1525, Lacock) who married Elizabeth in > about 1547. These were my 11th great grandparents and so far it's the > longest ancestral line I have on my father's side. Please let me know if > you want the details. > Fred > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Tim Adams" <TimA@spc.int> > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 11:32 PM > To: <westall@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Mark Westall b ca. 1705 > >> Thanks Fred >> >> Mark Westall is my 6th Great Grandfather (according to what evidence I >> have so far, not all of it verified - the Ramsbury Westalls are indeed >> difficult to unravel). I didn't know about his parents and grandparents >> though, so thank you for that tidbit. >> >> Tim Adams >> Noumea >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: westall-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:westall-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of Fred Westall >> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 7:27 AM >> To: westall@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Mark Westall b ca. 1705 >> >> Yes Indeed - proud to have you as my cousins! >> >> Bob - I also have Mark Westall (bap. 5 Sep 1703) & Sarah as having the >> four children you list.: >> 1. Richard (bap 23 Aug 1730, Ramsbury) who married Jane Appleford (1739, >> Ramsbury) >> 2. Mary (bap 22 Feb 1740, Ramsbury) who married Joseph Lewington (1739, >> Ramsbury) >> 3. Sarah (bap 18 Nov 1733, Ramsbury) >> 4. Charity (bap 16 Jul 1738, Ramsbury) >> The parents of Mark were William Westall (1659, Aldbourne) and Sarah >> Sylvester (1660, Lacock) William's parents were William (1638, >> Aldbourne) and Margery Willis (1630, Unknown). >> Therefore, Aldbourne seems to be where at least our extended family >> started! >> We should have a westall reunion there sometime. >> >> Fred >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >