Free BMD shows an Ernest Westall m Emily Ellen Vardy in the Oct - Dec Qtr of 1906 in Marlborough, Wiltshire. Does anyone know where Ernest was born. I have an Ernest Richard Westall b Bet. Apr - Jun 1886 in Portskewet, Monmouthshire. Is Ernest Richard the one that married Emily Ellen Vardy? Bob I believe they had at least the following Children: England & Wales, Free BMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 Name: Reginald F Westall Year of Registration: 1911 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Mother's Maiden Name: Vardy District: Hungerford County: Berkshire, Hampshire, Wiltshire Volume: 2c Page: 565 Name: Gladys E Westall Year of Registration: 1914 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Mother's Maiden Name: Vardy District: Hungerford County: Berkshire, Hampshire, Wiltshire Volume: 2c Page: 505 Name: Lilian P Westall Year of Registration: 1915 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Mother's Maiden Name: Vardy District: Hungerford County: Berkshire, Hampshire, Wiltshire Volume: 2c Page: 509 Name: Leslie F Westall Mother's Maiden Surname: Vardy Date of Registration: Jul Aug Sep 1916 Registration district: Hungerford Registration county: Berkshire Volume Number: 2c Page Number: 524 Name: Dorothy G Westall Mother's Maiden Surname: Vardy Date of Registration: Oct Nov Dec 1917 Registration district: Marlbro Registration county: Wiltshire Volume Number: 5a Page Number: 114 Name: Winifred K Westall Mother's Maiden Surname: Vardy Date of Registration: Oct Nov Dec 1920 Registration district: Marlbro' Registration county: Wiltshire Volume Number: 5a Page Number: 144 E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11760 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Bob, Sorry, did not mean to give you extra trouble. I had Phyllis Mary and Ure WESTALL's birth registration details already, but not from FreeBMD, as you say. Found them at Ancestry when I was a subscriber. Yes, Highbury is a sub-district of Islington. My mother went to Highbury Hill High School. My aunt Ure is still alive and kicking, so I have not published any details about her to the list, that is why I did not give her birth registration details. Jeannie Brigden WESTALL was born 1909, Phyllis Mary 1916, Ure 1925 - a gap of 16 years between first and last, as you say. No other children that I know about, future FreeBMD updates may show another one/two who died very young. Bearing in mind what I have been told about children of Arthur WESTALL and Jane Bigmore BRIGDEN, that there were 5 children born and only 2 survived, due to a specific problem, there may have been a similar problem with my grandparents - who knows now? 1921 census, I believe, took out the question about children born to the marriage.You may be interested in the following, my grandparents ran the Army and Navy, Gertrude carried on for a few years after Thomas died. London Gazette Issue 34402 published on the 28 May 1937. P 3474 THOMAS BRIGDEN WESTALL, Deceased. Pursuant to the Trustee Act, 1925. NOTICE is hereby given that all creditors and other persons having any debts claims or demands against the estate of the above named deceased late of The Army & Navy Public House Matthias Road Islington in the county of London Licensed Victualler who died on the 28th day of March 1937 and probate of whose Will was on the 18th day of May 1937 granted out of the Principal Probate Registry to Gertrude Westall the sole executrix therein named are hereby required to send particulars in writing of their debts claims or demands to the undersigned the Solicitors for the said executrix on or before the third day of August 1937 after which date the said executrix will proceed to distribute the assets of the said deceased amongst the persons entitled thereto having regard only to the debts claims and demands of which she shall then have had notice and she will not be liable for the assets of the said deceased or any part thereof so distributed to any person or persons of whose debts claims or demands she shall not then have had notice.— Dated this 27th day of May 1937. HANBURY, WHITTING and INGLE, 62, New Broad Street, London, E.C.2, Solicitors for the Executrix. His will was not very interesting, being written 4 Jul 1917, 20 years before he died. 'This is the last Will and Testament of me Thomas Brigden Westall. I leave and bequeath all that I possess to my wife Gertrude Westall and appoint her to be sole executrix of this my will.' That's it! And I paid good money for it! Gross value was £493 - 8- 3 Margaret > From: bobatbmw@cox.net > To: margaretjanew@hotmail.com > Subject: RE: Amelia Westall > Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:51:29 -0500 > > Margaret, > > I have been trying to bring up both your mother and Aunt Ure in Free BMD on > Rootsweb with no success. For Ure I finally went and looked at every sheet > and found her. > > Please note the record shows Ure as being born in Islington. Is Highbury a > section of Islington? > > For Phyllis Mary Westall I did the same and finally found on the Free BMD. > It is funny that neither showed up by doing the normal search? Were there > other siblings as that is a lot of time between 3 children about 10 years or > so? > > Regards > > Bob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Margaret Wilkinson [mailto:margaretjanew@hotmail.com] > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 10:47 AM > To: bobatbmw@cox.net; westall@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: Amelia Westall > > > > Bob, Thanks for lookinfg for Amelia WESTALL for me. > > The problem with the other two Amelia's is that the year of birth is out, > and they both have middle names, which I would expect them to use when they > married as well. > > Amelia WESTALL, daughter of Thomas John WESTALL, was born Dec qtr 1872, as > you say. > Births Pancras > WESTALL Amelia > Dec qtr 1872 Vol 1b p71 > > Sorry, I got confused - I thought that Amelia was not with her parents in > 1901 census, but checking back, she is, as you say, living with parents and > single. So 1911 census is correct, but I do wonder who the other Amelia > was, who married John AVIS/DAVIS in 1893, and who is 28 yrs old in 1901. > > I no longer have access to censuses, so cannot trace this Amelia further > back. > > 1901 > John Davis, Head, Mar, M, 28, General labourer, Worker, London, Newington > Amelia Davis, Wife, Mar, F, 28, London, Boro > Elizabeth Davis, Daur, F, 3, London, Bermondsey > Martha Davis, Daur, F, 0, London, Bermondsey > Address Bermondsey > Class: RG13; Piece: 389; Folio: 66; Page: 15 > > 2 births later on, would appear to be further children of John and Amelia > > Births Camberwell > AVIS Florence M, MMN Westall > Jun qtr 1913 Vol 1d p1501 > > AVIS Gertrude M, MMN Westall > Mar qtr 1915 Vol 1d p1630 > > I can now publish full 1911 details, the beta site requested that this was > not done. > > 1911 > Thomas J Westall, Head, 74, M, Married 56 yrs, 7 child - 3 living, 4 died, > Boot Dealer, Employer, Mdlex, London, St Giles > Mary Westall, Wife, 73, F, Married, Midex, London, St Pauls > Amelia Westall, Daur, 38, F, Sing, (House added in pencil) Worker, At Home, > Midex, London, St Panc > 6 rooms in dwelling > Signed Thomas John Westall > 129, Cromer Street, W.C. (131 added in pencil) > RG14PN700 RG78PN24 RD9 SD2 ED17 SN465 > > Richard Frary, Head, 39, M, Married under 1 yr, 0 children, Butcher, > Employer, New Cross, Surrey > Jane Bigmore Frary, Wife, 44, F, Married under 1 yr, 0 children, Licensed > Victualler, Employer, At Home, St Pancras, Middlesex (South Norwood Hotel > added in pencil) > John Edward Warrell, Serv, 50, M, Married 23 yrs, 2 children born and > living, Licensed Victualler Manager, Worker, St Albans, Herts > Florence McEwen, Serv, 27, F, Sing, Barmaid, Worker, London > Lilian Moore, Serv, 21, F, Sing, Barmaid, Worker, Croydon, Surrey > Ethel E S Castle, Serv, 31, F, Married 10 yrs, 3 children born and living, > Cook, Lewisham, Kent > Mabel Hoare, Serv, 21, F, Sing, Housemaid, Hampreston, Dorset > 12 rooms in dwelling > Signed Richard Frary > Address 32, Station Rd, South Norwood > RG14PN3381 RG78PN127 RD39 SD4 ED14 SN7 > > (Jane Bigmore BRIGDEN, first husband was Arthur WESTALL,they were my great > grandparents, Thomas Brigden WESTALL was their son) > > > Thomas Brigden Westall, Head, 25, M, Married, Journalist, Newspaper, Worker, > London, St Pancras > Gertrude Westall, Wife, 24, F, Married 2 yrs, 1 child born and living, > Surrey, Croydon > Jeannie Brigden Westall, Daur, 2, F, Surrey, Croydon > 5 rooms in dwelling > Signed Thomas Brigden Westall > Address 42, Sutherland Rd, Brighton > RG14PN5114 RG78PN226 RD79 SD1 ED26 SN69 > > > My Aunt Jeannie Brigden WESTALL was born in Croydon in 1909, my mother > Phyllis Mary WESTALL was born and brought up in Highbury - > > Birth Islington > WESTALL Phyllis Mary, MMN Hyde > Dec qtr 1916 Vol 1b p522 > > The 3rd and last child, my aunt Ure, was born 1925, also in Highbury. > > Brigden and Ure are both 'family' names passed from generation to generation > - no younger generations use the Ure now, that I know of, but Brigden still > used as middle name by one of my brother's and a cousin. > > Margaret > > > From: bobatbmw@cox.net > To: margaretjanew@hotmail.com > Subject: FW: Amelia Westall > Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 14:24:37 -0500 > > > Margaret, > > I tried to send this to WESTALL@rootsweb.com and it was denied? > I am therefore sending it directly to you. > > Bob > > > From: Bob Westall > [mailto:bobatbmw@cox.net] > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 12:52 PM > > To: WESTALL@rootweb.com > > Subject: Amelia Westall > > Margaret, > When I sent you the email last night I left off some info. > that I meant to include. > > Anyway the three Amelia Westall born between 1865 and 1875 > Were: > > Births Jun 1865 (>99%) > WESTALL > Amelia Ann > Kensington > 1a 174 > > Births Dec 1872 (>99%) > WESTALL > Amelia > Pancras > 1b 71 > > Births Jun 1875 (>99%) > Westall > Amelia Emily > Pancras > 1b 198 > > I believe the middle Amelia is the daughter of Thomas John > Westall. > > > You mention your aunt Jeannie Brigden Westall in the 1911 > census but when I tried to find other children whose mother was named Hyde I > came with no other siblings. Was your mother born in Croydon as was your > aunt? > > There were two other Westall children born in Croydon before > 1930 but their mother’s maiden name was Hook? > > > Births Sep 1921 (>99%) > Westall > William H > Hook > Croydon > 2a 433 > > Births Sep 1922 (>99%) > Westall > Bertha J > Hook > Croydon > 2a 420 > > > Yes, genealogy does get confusing at times. > Regards > Bob > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Imagine a life without walls. 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Bob, Thanks for lookinfg for Amelia WESTALL for me. The problem with the other two Amelia's is that the year of birth is out, and they both have middle names, which I would expect them to use when they married as well. Amelia WESTALL, daughter of Thomas John WESTALL, was born Dec qtr 1872, as you say. Births Pancras WESTALL Amelia Dec qtr 1872 Vol 1b p71 Sorry, I got confused - I thought that Amelia was not with her parents in 1901 census, but checking back, she is, as you say, living with parents and single. So 1911 census is correct, but I do wonder who the other Amelia was, who married John AVIS/DAVIS in 1893, and who is 28 yrs old in 1901. I no longer have access to censuses, so cannot trace this Amelia further back. 1901 John Davis, Head, Mar, M, 28, General labourer, Worker, London, Newington Amelia Davis, Wife, Mar, F, 28, London, Boro Elizabeth Davis, Daur, F, 3, London, Bermondsey Martha Davis, Daur, F, 0, London, Bermondsey Address Bermondsey Class: RG13; Piece: 389; Folio: 66; Page: 15 2 births later on, would appear to be further children of John and Amelia Births Camberwell AVIS Florence M, MMN Westall Jun qtr 1913 Vol 1d p1501 AVIS Gertrude M, MMN Westall Mar qtr 1915 Vol 1d p1630 I can now publish full 1911 details, the beta site requested that this was not done. 1911 Thomas J Westall, Head, 74, M, Married 56 yrs, 7 child - 3 living, 4 died, Boot Dealer, Employer, Mdlex, London, St Giles Mary Westall, Wife, 73, F, Married, Midex, London, St Pauls Amelia Westall, Daur, 38, F, Sing, (House added in pencil) Worker, At Home, Midex, London, St Panc 6 rooms in dwelling Signed Thomas John Westall 129, Cromer Street, W.C. (131 added in pencil) RG14PN700 RG78PN24 RD9 SD2 ED17 SN465 Richard Frary, Head, 39, M, Married under 1 yr, 0 children, Butcher, Employer, New Cross, Surrey Jane Bigmore Frary, Wife, 44, F, Married under 1 yr, 0 children, Licensed Victualler, Employer, At Home, St Pancras, Middlesex (South Norwood Hotel added in pencil) John Edward Warrell, Serv, 50, M, Married 23 yrs, 2 children born and living, Licensed Victualler Manager, Worker, St Albans, Herts Florence McEwen, Serv, 27, F, Sing, Barmaid, Worker, London Lilian Moore, Serv, 21, F, Sing, Barmaid, Worker, Croydon, Surrey Ethel E S Castle, Serv, 31, F, Married 10 yrs, 3 children born and living, Cook, Lewisham, Kent Mabel Hoare, Serv, 21, F, Sing, Housemaid, Hampreston, Dorset 12 rooms in dwelling Signed Richard Frary Address 32, Station Rd, South Norwood RG14PN3381 RG78PN127 RD39 SD4 ED14 SN7 (Jane Bigmore BRIGDEN, first husband was Arthur WESTALL,they were my great grandparents, Thomas Brigden WESTALL was their son) Thomas Brigden Westall, Head, 25, M, Married, Journalist, Newspaper, Worker, London, St Pancras Gertrude Westall, Wife, 24, F, Married 2 yrs, 1 child born and living, Surrey, Croydon Jeannie Brigden Westall, Daur, 2, F, Surrey, Croydon 5 rooms in dwelling Signed Thomas Brigden Westall Address 42, Sutherland Rd, Brighton RG14PN5114 RG78PN226 RD79 SD1 ED26 SN69 My Aunt Jeannie Brigden WESTALL was born in Croydon in 1909, my mother Phyllis Mary WESTALL was born and brought up in Highbury - Birth Islington WESTALL Phyllis Mary, MMN Hyde Dec qtr 1916 Vol 1b p522 The 3rd and last child, my aunt Ure, was born 1925, also in Highbury. Brigden and Ure are both 'family' names passed from generation to generation - no younger generations use the Ure now, that I know of, but Brigden still used as middle name by one of my brother's and a cousin. Margaret From: bobatbmw@cox.net To: margaretjanew@hotmail.com Subject: FW: Amelia Westall Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 14:24:37 -0500 Margaret, I tried to send this to WESTALL@rootsweb.com and it was denied? I am therefore sending it directly to you. Bob From: Bob Westall [mailto:bobatbmw@cox.net] Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 12:52 PM To: WESTALL@rootweb.com Subject: Amelia Westall Margaret, When I sent you the email last night I left off some info. that I meant to include. Anyway the three Amelia Westall born between 1865 and 1875 Were: Births Jun 1865 (>99%) WESTALL Amelia Ann Kensington 1a 174 Births Dec 1872 (>99%) WESTALL Amelia Pancras 1b 71 Births Jun 1875 (>99%) Westall Amelia Emily Pancras 1b 198 I believe the middle Amelia is the daughter of Thomas John Westall. You mention your aunt Jeannie Brigden Westall in the 1911 census but when I tried to find other children whose mother was named Hyde I came with no other siblings. Was your mother born in Croydon as was your aunt? There were two other Westall children born in Croydon before 1930 but their mother’s maiden name was Hook? Births Sep 1921 (>99%) Westall William H Hook Croydon 2a 433 Births Sep 1922 (>99%) Westall Bertha J Hook Croydon 2a 420 Yes, genealogy does get confusing at times. Regards Bob _________________________________________________________________ Imagine a life without walls.  See the possibilities http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/122465943/direct/01/

Margaret, I have found three ladies by the name of Amelia Westall born between 1965 and 1875 that I have been able to find. One was married as you pointed out. Another was married: Marriages Jun 1902 (>99%) Taylor Frederick Reading 2c 744 Westall Amelia Reading 2c 744 As far as Amelia Westall the daughter of Thomas John Westall b 1934 is concerned the 1901 census has her at home with her parents age 28 and single? That fits with what you pointed out the 1911 census mentioned! As ever the more we find out the more we realize we need to look further? I am not sure if this helps you at all but I am still looking into this Westall family? Bob Westall -----Original Message----- From: westall-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:westall-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Wilkinson Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 9:00 AM To: westall@rootsweb.com Subject: [WESTALL] Thomas John WESTALL and Amelia WESTALL In 1901 census Amelia WESTALL, daughter of Thomas John WESTALL 1833 - 1913 and Mary, nee STACEY, is not living with her parents. I had assumed that she married as follows - Marriages Camberwell AVIS John, WESTALL Amelia Jun qtr 1893 Vol 1d p1367 In 1901 this family appears as follows - John Davis, Head, Mar, M, 28, General labourer, Worker, London, Newington Amelia Davis, Wife, Mar, F, 28, London, Boro Elizabeth Davis, Daur, F, 3, London, Bermondsey Martha Davis, Daur, F, 0, London, Bermondsey Address Bermondsey Class: RG13; Piece: 389; Folio: 66; Page: 15 No clear birth registration found for either Elizabeth or Martha Avis/Davis but further births are registered - Births Camberwell AVIS Florence M, MMN Westall Jun qtr 1913 Vol 1d p1501 AVIS Gertrude M, MMN Westall Mar qtr 1915 Vol 1d p1630 In 1911 census, Amelia is back with her parents again, shown as 38, unmarried, and no children! Does anyone know of another Amelia Westall who would fit the bill as wife of John AVIS/DAVIS? Or was Amelia possibly temporarily estranged from John? Thomas John and Mary WESTALL are shown as having had 7 children, 3 living, 4 dead. I can only trace 6 children in census, possibly another child born and died between censuses. I have also traced my grandparents in 1911, Thomas Brigden WESTALL (Thomas John's grandson) and Gertrude, nee HYDE, with my eldest aunt, Jeannnie Brigden WESTALL, aged 2. In later years Thomas Brigden WESTALL was a publican, but in 1911 he was a journalist, living/staying in Brighton. His father, Arthur WESTALL, had died in 1906, but his widow, remarried as Jane Bigmore FRARY, was found in Croydon. I can't wait for the site to be fully operational, the 1911 beta test site is no longer working, but if anyone has any insight into Amelia WESTALL, I would be grateful. Margaret _________________________________________________________________ Imagine a life without walls.  See the possibilities http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/122465943/direct/01/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11510 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11560 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Fred, Between you and Charlene I was already convinced you were correct as much as one can be with genealogy! I was just waiting for the Marriage Cert. I have done a little search on the Hickerton family and have sent it directly to you as it is too big for the list. As ever Great work guys. Bob -----Original Message----- From: westall-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:westall-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fred Westall Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 7:18 AM To: westall@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Westall Hi Bob, Happy New Year to you! I'm all fired up and motoring through my Westall family history! I'm getting to be quite boring I think! ;-) Anyway, I just got the Marriage Certificate for George and Mary Hickerton, and it confirms my hypothesis I think. They were married on 20th Sep 1862 in the parish church at Stanton St Quintin, Wilts. Both were 'of full age' and neither was literate. They were both living in Stanton St Quintin at the time of marriage. George gives occupation as shepherd, the same occupation as his father William. Mary's dad was James Hickerton, and one witness was Jacob Hickerton (Mary's brother) - again all fitting very well the information on my tree. The other witness was an Emma Millard (difficult to read!) and I have yet to determine if she was related to George.. I hope this helps. So I'm quite confident that Mary Hickerton was the wife of George Westall, the son of William Westall and Sarah Pounds .... well as far as anyone can be after more than 100 years! Best wishes for 2009, Fred -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bob Westall" <bobatbmw@cox.net> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 5:29 PM To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Cc: "'J & E Armstrong'" <ellmay7@bigpond.net.au> Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Westall > Fred, > > And the beat goes on! > > First, I am still not sure about Hickerton? More researched needed there? > > Second, for George Westall b 1854 I have his wife as Martha Ann Pike b > Apr - > June 1859 in Hungerford. They show in the 1881 census and the ages match > perfectly to what Free BMD shows. Although I guess matching ages do not > mean > much do they? Their 1881 Census follows? > > 1881 England Census > > Name: George Westall > Age: 27 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854 > Relation: Head > Spouse's Name: Martha > Gender: Male > Where born: Ramsbury, Wiltshire, England > Civil Parish: Ramsbury > County/Island: Wiltshire > Country: England > Street address: White House Lane > Condition as to marriage: Married > Employment status: View Image > Occupation: Ag Lab > Registration district: Hungerford > Sub registration district: Hungerford > ED, institution, or vessel: 14 > > George Westall Head..M..27..Agr Laborer..Wilts, Ramsbury > Martha Westall Wife..M..22......................Wilts, Ramsbury > William Westall Son...S...4 .................... Wilts, Ramsbury > > > Bob ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11510 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11520 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

In 1901 census Amelia WESTALL, daughter of Thomas John WESTALL 1833 - 1913 and Mary, nee STACEY, is not living with her parents. I had assumed that she married as follows - Marriages Camberwell AVIS John, WESTALL Amelia Jun qtr 1893 Vol 1d p1367 In 1901 this family appears as follows - John Davis, Head, Mar, M, 28, General labourer, Worker, London, Newington Amelia Davis, Wife, Mar, F, 28, London, Boro Elizabeth Davis, Daur, F, 3, London, Bermondsey Martha Davis, Daur, F, 0, London, Bermondsey Address Bermondsey Class: RG13; Piece: 389; Folio: 66; Page: 15 No clear birth registration found for either Elizabeth or Martha Avis/Davis but further births are registered - Births Camberwell AVIS Florence M, MMN Westall Jun qtr 1913 Vol 1d p1501 AVIS Gertrude M, MMN Westall Mar qtr 1915 Vol 1d p1630 In 1911 census, Amelia is back with her parents again, shown as 38, unmarried, and no children! Does anyone know of another Amelia Westall who would fit the bill as wife of John AVIS/DAVIS? Or was Amelia possibly temporarily estranged from John? Thomas John and Mary WESTALL are shown as having had 7 children, 3 living, 4 dead. I can only trace 6 children in census, possibly another child born and died between censuses. I have also traced my grandparents in 1911, Thomas Brigden WESTALL (Thomas John's grandson) and Gertrude, nee HYDE, with my eldest aunt, Jeannnie Brigden WESTALL, aged 2. In later years Thomas Brigden WESTALL was a publican, but in 1911 he was a journalist, living/staying in Brighton. His father, Arthur WESTALL, had died in 1906, but his widow, remarried as Jane Bigmore FRARY, was found in Croydon. I can't wait for the site to be fully operational, the 1911 beta test site is no longer working, but if anyone has any insight into Amelia WESTALL, I would be grateful. Margaret _________________________________________________________________ Imagine a life without walls.  See the possibilities http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/122465943/direct/01/

Hi Bob, Happy New Year to you! I'm all fired up and motoring through my Westall family history! I'm getting to be quite boring I think! ;-) Anyway, I just got the Marriage Certificate for George and Mary Hickerton, and it confirms my hypothesis I think. They were married on 20th Sep 1862 in the parish church at Stanton St Quintin, Wilts. Both were 'of full age' and neither was literate. They were both living in Stanton St Quintin at the time of marriage. George gives occupation as shepherd, the same occupation as his father William. Mary's dad was James Hickerton, and one witness was Jacob Hickerton (Mary's brother) - again all fitting very well the information on my tree. The other witness was an Emma Millard (difficult to read!) and I have yet to determine if she was related to George.. I hope this helps. So I'm quite confident that Mary Hickerton was the wife of George Westall, the son of William Westall and Sarah Pounds .... well as far as anyone can be after more than 100 years! Best wishes for 2009, Fred -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bob Westall" <bobatbmw@cox.net> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 5:29 PM To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Cc: "'J & E Armstrong'" <ellmay7@bigpond.net.au> Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Westall > Fred, > > And the beat goes on! > > First, I am still not sure about Hickerton? More researched needed there? > > Second, for George Westall b 1854 I have his wife as Martha Ann Pike b > Apr - > June 1859 in Hungerford. They show in the 1881 census and the ages match > perfectly to what Free BMD shows. Although I guess matching ages do not > mean > much do they? Their 1881 Census follows? > > 1881 England Census > > Name: George Westall > Age: 27 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854 > Relation: Head > Spouse's Name: Martha > Gender: Male > Where born: Ramsbury, Wiltshire, England > Civil Parish: Ramsbury > County/Island: Wiltshire > Country: England > Street address: White House Lane > Condition as to marriage: Married > Employment status: View Image > Occupation: Ag Lab > Registration district: Hungerford > Sub registration district: Hungerford > ED, institution, or vessel: 14 > > George Westall Head..M..27..Agr Laborer..Wilts, Ramsbury > Martha Westall Wife..M..22......................Wilts, Ramsbury > William Westall Son...S...4 .................... Wilts, Ramsbury > > > Bob

Chris, I know the Westall and Galbreath families crossed when Roy Otto Galbreath m Ethel Lowd Westall on 05 Jun 1907 in New Smyna, Volusia Co., FL. Within my own immediate Westall family we also have James Galbreath b 1819 in PA m Ann Elizabeth Westall b 08 Nov 1824 Perry Co., OH ca. 1845 in Cumberland, IL I believe. Do you have any records that might have this Galbreath in them? Ann Elizabeth Westall was my Great grandfather's niece by his older brother James M. Westall b 01 Jan 1791, in Clarksburg, Harrison Co., Va Bob E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11510 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Patricia, The following are my notes on Thomas and Elizabeth. Bob 1841 England Census Name: Thos Westall Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796 Gender: Male Civil Parish: St Pancras Hundred: Ossulstone (Holborn Division) County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: Grove Lane Occupation: artist Registration district: St Pancras Sub registration district: Regents Park Thos Westall 45..Artist..No Elizth Westall 45............Yes Geoe Westall 20.............No Anne Westall 15.............No John Westall 15.............No Thos Westall 11.............No Selina Westall 6.............No William Westall 3.............Yes ################################ 1851 England Census Name: Thomas Westall Age: 57 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1794 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Mayden, Oxfordshire, England Civil Parish: St Pancras County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: 101 Grove Lane Occupation: Artist Landscape Painter Condition as to marriage: Married Registration district: Pancras Sub registration district: Regents Park ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 208 Thomas Westall Head..M..57..Artist Landscape Painter....Mayden, Oxfordshire Elizabeth Westall Wife..M..57...Wife...................................St. Giles George Westall Son....S..31..Picture Cleaner & restorer..NewBury, Berkshire John Westall Son....S..27..Picture Cleaner & restorer..Eles, Oxfordshire Thomas Westall Son....S..21..Landscape Painter.............Cheltenham, Goucestershire Selina Westall Dau....S..16..Laundress..........................Cheltenham, Goucestershire Willm Westall Son....S..12..Scholar...............................Middlesex, St. Pancras ################################ 1871 England Census about Thos Westall Name: Thos Westall Age: 77 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1794 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Eliz Gender: Male Where born: St Mayaline, Oxfordshire, England Civil Parish: St Pancras County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 10 Southwick Rd ?? Occupation: Inmates of St. ?? House Condition as to marriage: Married Registration district: Pancras Sub registration district: Kentish Town ED, institution, or vessel: 23a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 161 Thos Westall Husband..M..77..Inmates of St. ?? House..St. Mayaline, Oxfordshire Eliz Westall Wife..M..77..Inmates of St. ?? House..St. Giles, London ################################ Taken from Free BMD Deaths Mar 1872 WESTALL Thomas 78 Pancras 1b 106 The district Pancras spans the boundaries of the counties of London and Middlesex From: Patricia Harper [mailto:pats7@bigpond.com] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 5:35 PM To: bobatbmw@cox.net Subject: re: William Walter Westall Hi Bob, I was looking at the Westall digest today for the first time in a while and noticed you had a message in October 2008 about an email you had received regarding a couple of William Walter Westalls in London. This ties in with my messages sent last year regarding my Westall family, Harriet Westall being my 3 x great grandfather and her father Thomas Westall the landscape painter my 4 x. I don't know about William Walter Westall born 1839, but I do have the birth certificate of Thomas and Elizabeth Westall's son William born December 1838 in Camden Town. No mention of the name Walter on the certificate. However he is the one who married Harriet Crossman in 1859 and I have nine children for him, including sons Walter Robert, William George, Charles (who married Alice Jane Carter in 1892) By the way, although it looks like St Mayoline on the census records, we have established that Thomas Westall was actually born at St Magdalen, Oxford and married there in 1815. Also there was another daughter, Elizabeth born c1818 Newbury. Hope this is of interest to the mysterious person who was making inquiries about this line. Regards, Patricia Harper E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11280 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ <http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/> E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11280 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Eileen, There two George Westall's born 1840/41 and the one I sent you not does match with what you have in your email. We are talking about two different George Westall and their wives I believe. The son George born in Great Bedwyn was George Newman Westall son of John Newman Westall b 1815. The 1851 and 1881 Census are on this George both below. Frankly, I am not sure of a whole lot. You may have the perfect fit for George b Bet. Jan - Mar 1840 in Great Bedwyn, Wiltshire, Eng. So far I have only found the 1851 and 1881 Census but not the 1861 and 1871 for this George? Fred mentioned earlier George's wife was Mary Hickerton? He may be right? He is speaking about the George born Bet. Jan - Mar 1841 in Hungerford Distract. That is the George that I believe his wife was Mary Woolford b Bet. Jan - Mar 1845. ????????????????????????? Bob Taken from the 1851 British Census Name: John Newman Westall Age: 33 Estimated birth year: abt 1818 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Ramsbury, Wiltshire, England Civil parish: Ramsbury County/Island: Wiltshire Country: England Street address: 29 High Street Condition as to marriage: Married Occupation: Ag Lab Source information: HO107/1686 Registration district: Hungerford Sub-registration district: Kintbury ED, institution, or vessel: 11a Folio: 445 Page: 7 Household schedule number: 29 GSU Number: 193594 John Newman Westall Head..M..33..Ag Lab......Ramsbury, Wilts Charlotte Wife..M..30..Ag Lab......Gt Bedwin, Wilts George Newman Son..S...11..................Gt Bedwin, Wilt. Charles Newman Son..S....8..Ag Lab.......Gt Bedwin, Wilt William Newman Son..S...3....................Ramsbury, Wilt The Mary and George in the 1881 census you mention follow. Taken from 1881 English Census Son of William Westall & Sarah Pounds Name: George Westall Age in 1881: 40 Age months: 0 Estimated birth year: abt 1841 Relationship to head-of-household: Head Gender: Male Where born: Gt Bedwin, Wiltshire, England Address: 85 High St Civil parish: Ramsbury County/Island: Wiltshire Condition as to marriage: Married Occupation: Ag Lab Source information: RG11/1275 Registration district: Hungerford Sub-registration district: Hungerford ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Folio: 69 Page: 15 George Westall Head..M..40..Ag Lab..Gt Bedwin, Wiltshire, Eng Martha Wife..M..41................Ramsbury, Wilts, Eng From: J & E Armstrong [mailto:ellmay7@bigpond.net.au] Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 7:01 PM To: Bob Westall Subject: Mary Woolford Bob >From LDS 1881 census and IGI. RG11/1275 67/15 living in High St Ramsbury. George Westall age 40 b Great Bedwyn Ag lab. Mary Westall age 41 b Ramsbury. Mary, daughter of Joseph Woolford and Charlotte Dobson. chr 9 Jun 1839 Sisters...Sarah Ann Woolford chr 2 Sep 1832 Eliza Woolford chr 4 Sep 1836 Martha " chr 28 Sep 1839 Jane "chr 15 Jun 1851 and Brothers William Woolford chr 30 Nov 1834 Thomas " chr 14 May 1848. Charlotte Dobson b abt 1811 Parents William Dobson and Elizabeth Mildenhall married 9 Nov 1807 Shalbourne. The dates and places fit my George and Mary but don't prove Mary until I get the marriage certificate which will be done shortly.[I hope!] Thanks for all your help so far,it is much appreciated. Sincerely Eileen. E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11180 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ <http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/> E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11180 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Bob, if interested tell me where you would like me to send it. Thanks, Gill Ford It's mainly of interest to you because William Wastell b. 1789 has been considered by some to come from the Berkshire Westalls, because his widow Agatha Whalley Wastell is living next door to John Wastell, FRCS in Cookham, Berks in 1881. This is the reason I worked on the Hungerford/Cookham Westalls. I have sent you that chart, which Fred Westall says accords with his findings. I have pretty much proved that my William Wastell couldn't have come from that family (because of date of birth issues. There are two William Westalls he could have been (1. b. 1788, date fits, but he married someone else; and 2. b. 1797, don't know his history. The second William Westall, b. 1797 does not appear in the censuses, which made a good case for him being William Wastell until I found the death notice in the Times (1836-7), which stated William Wastell was aged 47 at time of death. So you may have no interest. I also looked at Richard and William Westall, the artists from Norwich (William came to Australia on the Independent as a ship's artist). William's son lived in the same area of London (St. Clement Dane) as William Wastell, but I could find no relationship there either (three of William Wastell's sons came to Australia, so I was wondering about the travel genes). Hence my interest in Westalls. Gill Wastell Ford On 24/11/2008, at 12:02 AM, David Hindley wrote: > Bob > The Westalls were on my mother's side of the family. Charles Westall > was my > GGG Grandfather through my mother Mary Stone, her father William > Stone, his > mother Mary Ann Westall and her father Henry Westall who was > Charles' 2nd > son. I hope that this clears things up. > > David Hindley > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Westall" <bobatbmw@cox.net> > To: <westall@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 6:49 PM > Subject: [WESTALL] Westall/Hindley > > >> David, >> >> >> >> I know you are very busy but in an email in 2002 you mentioned that >> your >> are >> related to the Westall family through George and his son Charles >> born Nov >> 1816 in Kintbury, Berkshire, Eng. I have searched until I am blue >> in the >> face and cannot make the connection! I have followed the Hindley >> line >> back >> to William Hindley born 1811 in Chester, Cheshire, Eng. I hope I >> have the >> Hindley line straight? >> >> >> >> If possible could you assist me by telling me which of the Charles >> Westall >> family you are descended from and how it is laid out? Maybe not >> today but >> at your earliest possible moment! Below I have included my notes on >> Charles! As usual I hope they make sense? >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> Bob >> >> >> >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=dhindle >> y&id=I1111 >> >> >> >> ID: I1111 >> >> Name: Charles WESTALL >> >> Given Name: Charles >> >> Surname: Westall >> >> Sex: M >> >> Birth: 1816 in Kintbury,Berkshire >> >> Death: BEF 1897 in Caldicot,Monmouthshire >> >> Occupation: gen labourer >> >> Change Date: 24 APR 2001 at 11:06:19 >> >> ADDR: >> >> ADR1: Charles Westall >> >> >> >> Father: George WESTALL >> >> Mother: Mary BROOKS >> >> >> >> Marriage 1 Elizabeth WHITE >> >> >> >> Married: 2 OCT 1842 in Cam,Gloucester,England >> >> >> >> Children >> >> >> >> 1. Charles WESTALL b: ABT 1844 in Cam,Gloucestershire >> >> 2. Henry WESTALL b: 11 JAN 1846 in Canford,Dorset,England >> >> 3. John WESTALL b: 1854 in Cam,Glous >> >> 4. Lucy WESTALL b: 1864 in Almondsbury,Gloucester >> >> 5. Elizabeth WESTALL b: 1868 in Almondsbury,Gloucester >> >> ################################### >> >> 1851 England Census >> >> >> >> Name: Charles Westall >> >> Age: 30 >> >> Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821 >> >> Relation: Head >> >> Spouse's Name: Elizabeth >> >> Gender: Male >> >> Where born: Bark Kentbury >> >> Civil Parish: Cam >> >> County/Island: Gloucestershire >> >> Country: England >> >> Street address: Ladies Hall >> >> Occupation: Ag Lab >> >> Condition as to marriage: Married >> >> Registration district: Dursley >> >> Sub registration district: Wotton >> >> ED, institution, or vessel: 3d >> >> Neighbors: View others on page >> >> Household schedule number: 76 >> >> >> >> Charles Westall Head..M..30..Ag Lab...Bark, Kentbury >> >> Elizabeth Westall Wife..M..25.................Gloucestershire, Cam >> >> Charles Westall Son...S....7..Scholar...Gloucestershire, Cam >> >> Henry Westall Son...S....5..Scholar...Carp Hill, Dorsetshire >> >> ################################### >> >> 1861 England Census >> >> >> >> Name: Charles Westal >> >> Age: 42 >> >> Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819 >> >> Relation: Head >> >> Spouse's Name: Elizabeth >> >> Gender: Male >> >> Where born: Berkshire, England >> >> Civil Parish: Almondsbury >> >> County/Island: Gloucestershire >> >> Country: England >> >> Street address: Raileway Huts >> >> Occupation: Railway Laborer >> >> Condition as to marriage: Married >> >> Registration district: Thornbury >> >> Sub registration district: Almondsbury >> >> ED, institution, or vessel: 3 >> >> Neighbors: View others on page >> >> Household schedule number: 22 >> >> >> >> Charles Westal Head..M..42..Railway Laborer...Berkshire >> >> Elizabeth Westal >> Wife..M..35...............................Gloucestershire, Cam >> >> Henry Westal Son...S..15..Railway >> Laborer..Gloucestershire, >> Cam >> >> John Westal >> Son...S....8..Scholar...................Gloucestershire, Cam >> >> Thomas Westal >> Son...S....6..Scholar..................Gloucestershire, Cam >> >> Alfred Westal >> Son...S....3...............................Gloucestershire, Cam >> >> Elen Westal Dau...S....5 >> Mo.........................Gloucestershire, Almondsbury >> >> Joseph Denning Lodger...S.. >> 28...............................Somerset >> >> ################################### >> >> Taken from the 1871 Federal Census >> >> >> >> Name: Charles Westall >> >> Age in 1871: 55 >> >> Estimated birth year: 1816 >> >> Relation: Head >> >> Household: View other family members >> >> Gender: Male >> >> Where born: Kentley, Berkshire, England >> >> Civil parish: Almondsbury >> >> Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary >> >> Town: Over Lane >> >> County/Island: Gloucestershire >> >> Country: England >> >> Source information: RG10/2584 >> >> Registration district: Thornbury >> >> Sub-registration district: Almondsbury >> >> ED, institution, or vessel: 3 >> >> Folio: 49 >> >> Page: 25 (click to see others on page) >> >> Household schedule number: 126 >> >> >> >> Charles Westall Head..M..55..Brick Maker..Berskshire, Kentley >> >> Elizabeth >> Wife...M..44......................Gloucestershire, Cam >> >> Alfred >> Son.......14..BrickCarrier...Gloucestershire, Cam >> >> Ellen >> Dau.......11..Scholar.........Gloucestershire, Almondsbury >> >> Mary >> Dau........9..Scholar..........Gloucestershire, Almondsbury >> >> Lucy >> Dau........6..Scholar..........Gloucestershire, Almondsbury >> >> Elizabeth >> Dau........3........................Gloucestershire, Almondsbury >> >> George White Sis's Son..S..14..Brick Carrier...Gloucestershire, Cam >> >> ################################### >> >> Taken from the 1881 British Census >> >> >> >> Dwelling: 1 Pill Road >> >> Census Place: Caldicot, Monmouth, Wales >> >> Source: FHL Film 1342257 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5217 >> Folio 18 Page 1 >> >> >> >> Marr Age >> Sex >> Birthplace >> >> Chas. WESTALL M 63 M >> Salisbury, Berkshire, England >> >> Rel: Head >> >> Occ: General Labourer >> >> Elizth. WESTALL M 54 F >> Cam, Berkshire, England >> >> Rel: Wife >> >> Lucy WESTALL 17 F >> Almondsbury, Gloucester, England >> >> Rel: Daur >> >> Elizth. WESTALL 13 F >> Almondsbury, Gloucester, England >> >> Rel: Daur >> >> Wm. BODAS M 20 M >> Bristol, Gloucester, England >> >> Rel: Boarder >> >> Occ: General Labourer >> >> Hr. HUGHES M 19 M >> Bristol, Gloucester, England >> >> Rel: Boarder >> >> Occ: General Labourer >> >> Jas. RICHARDS M 36 M >> Bristol, Gloucester, England >> >> Rel: Boarder >> >> Occ: General Labourer >> >> ################################# >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) >> Database version: 5.11180 >> http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Bob The Westalls were on my mother's side of the family. Charles Westall was my GGG Grandfather through my mother Mary Stone, her father William Stone, his mother Mary Ann Westall and her father Henry Westall who was Charles' 2nd son. I hope that this clears things up. David Hindley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Westall" <bobatbmw@cox.net> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 6:49 PM Subject: [WESTALL] Westall/Hindley > David, > > > > I know you are very busy but in an email in 2002 you mentioned that your > are > related to the Westall family through George and his son Charles born Nov > 1816 in Kintbury, Berkshire, Eng. I have searched until I am blue in the > face and cannot make the connection! I have followed the Hindley line > back > to William Hindley born 1811 in Chester, Cheshire, Eng. I hope I have the > Hindley line straight? > > > > If possible could you assist me by telling me which of the Charles Westall > family you are descended from and how it is laid out? Maybe not today but > at your earliest possible moment! Below I have included my notes on > Charles! As usual I hope they make sense? > > > > Regards > > > > Bob > > > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=dhindle > y&id=I1111 > > > > ID: I1111 > > Name: Charles WESTALL > > Given Name: Charles > > Surname: Westall > > Sex: M > > Birth: 1816 in Kintbury,Berkshire > > Death: BEF 1897 in Caldicot,Monmouthshire > > Occupation: gen labourer > > Change Date: 24 APR 2001 at 11:06:19 > > ADDR: > > ADR1: Charles Westall > > > > Father: George WESTALL > > Mother: Mary BROOKS > > > > Marriage 1 Elizabeth WHITE > > > > Married: 2 OCT 1842 in Cam,Gloucester,England > > > > Children > > > > 1. Charles WESTALL b: ABT 1844 in Cam,Gloucestershire > > 2. Henry WESTALL b: 11 JAN 1846 in Canford,Dorset,England > > 3. John WESTALL b: 1854 in Cam,Glous > > 4. Lucy WESTALL b: 1864 in Almondsbury,Gloucester > > 5. Elizabeth WESTALL b: 1868 in Almondsbury,Gloucester > > ################################### > > 1851 England Census > > > > Name: Charles Westall > > Age: 30 > > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821 > > Relation: Head > > Spouse's Name: Elizabeth > > Gender: Male > > Where born: Bark Kentbury > > Civil Parish: Cam > > County/Island: Gloucestershire > > Country: England > > Street address: Ladies Hall > > Occupation: Ag Lab > > Condition as to marriage: Married > > Registration district: Dursley > > Sub registration district: Wotton > > ED, institution, or vessel: 3d > > Neighbors: View others on page > > Household schedule number: 76 > > > > Charles Westall Head..M..30..Ag Lab...Bark, Kentbury > > Elizabeth Westall Wife..M..25.................Gloucestershire, Cam > > Charles Westall Son...S....7..Scholar...Gloucestershire, Cam > > Henry Westall Son...S....5..Scholar...Carp Hill, Dorsetshire > > ################################### > > 1861 England Census > > > > Name: Charles Westal > > Age: 42 > > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819 > > Relation: Head > > Spouse's Name: Elizabeth > > Gender: Male > > Where born: Berkshire, England > > Civil Parish: Almondsbury > > County/Island: Gloucestershire > > Country: England > > Street address: Raileway Huts > > Occupation: Railway Laborer > > Condition as to marriage: Married > > Registration district: Thornbury > > Sub registration district: Almondsbury > > ED, institution, or vessel: 3 > > Neighbors: View others on page > > Household schedule number: 22 > > > > Charles Westal Head..M..42..Railway Laborer...Berkshire > > Elizabeth Westal > Wife..M..35...............................Gloucestershire, Cam > > Henry Westal Son...S..15..Railway Laborer..Gloucestershire, > Cam > > John Westal > Son...S....8..Scholar...................Gloucestershire, Cam > > Thomas Westal > Son...S....6..Scholar..................Gloucestershire, Cam > > Alfred Westal > Son...S....3...............................Gloucestershire, Cam > > Elen Westal Dau...S....5 > Mo.........................Gloucestershire, Almondsbury > > Joseph Denning Lodger...S..28...............................Somerset > > ################################### > > Taken from the 1871 Federal Census > > > > Name: Charles Westall > > Age in 1871: 55 > > Estimated birth year: 1816 > > Relation: Head > > Household: View other family members > > Gender: Male > > Where born: Kentley, Berkshire, England > > Civil parish: Almondsbury > > Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary > > Town: Over Lane > > County/Island: Gloucestershire > > Country: England > > Source information: RG10/2584 > > Registration district: Thornbury > > Sub-registration district: Almondsbury > > ED, institution, or vessel: 3 > > Folio: 49 > > Page: 25 (click to see others on page) > > Household schedule number: 126 > > > > Charles Westall Head..M..55..Brick Maker..Berskshire, Kentley > > Elizabeth > Wife...M..44......................Gloucestershire, Cam > > Alfred > Son.......14..BrickCarrier...Gloucestershire, Cam > > Ellen > Dau.......11..Scholar.........Gloucestershire, Almondsbury > > Mary > Dau........9..Scholar..........Gloucestershire, Almondsbury > > Lucy > Dau........6..Scholar..........Gloucestershire, Almondsbury > > Elizabeth > Dau........3........................Gloucestershire, Almondsbury > > George White Sis's Son..S..14..Brick Carrier...Gloucestershire, Cam > > ################################### > > Taken from the 1881 British Census > > > > Dwelling: 1 Pill Road > > Census Place: Caldicot, Monmouth, Wales > > Source: FHL Film 1342257 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5217 > Folio 18 Page 1 > > > > Marr Age Sex > Birthplace > > Chas. WESTALL M 63 M > Salisbury, Berkshire, England > > Rel: Head > > Occ: General Labourer > > Elizth. WESTALL M 54 F > Cam, Berkshire, England > > Rel: Wife > > Lucy WESTALL 17 F > Almondsbury, Gloucester, England > > Rel: Daur > > Elizth. WESTALL 13 F > Almondsbury, Gloucester, England > > Rel: Daur > > Wm. BODAS M 20 M > Bristol, Gloucester, England > > Rel: Boarder > > Occ: General Labourer > > Hr. HUGHES M 19 M > Bristol, Gloucester, England > > Rel: Boarder > > Occ: General Labourer > > Jas. RICHARDS M 36 M > Bristol, Gloucester, England > > Rel: Boarder > > Occ: General Labourer > > ################################# > > > > > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11180 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Eileen, Frankly, I am not sure who is correct on this! Yes ,there was a Mary Woolford born 1839 but I am not sure if she is the write one? The notes I have on George Westall follow. In each Census Mary is younger than George? Man Genealogy gets more and more complicated? Bob Taken from Free BMD Births Mar 1841 Westall George Hungerford 6 (191 or 194) The district Hungerford spans the boundaries of the counties of Berkshire, Hampshire and Wiltshire ############################# 1871 England Census Name: George Westall Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: New Town, Hungerford Civil Parish: Marshfield Ecclesiastical parish: Hawkesbury Town: Marshfield County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Street address: 33 Meun St. Occupation: Butcher Condition as to marriage: Married Registration district: Chipping Sodbury Sub registration district: Marshfield ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 33 George Westall Head..M..30..Butcher..New Town, Hungerford Mary Westall Wife..M..26.................Hunton St Quintin, Wiltshire Sarah Westall Dau...S....8.................Hunton St Quintins, Wiltshire Harriet Westall Dau...S....4.................Colerne, Wiltshire William T Westall Son...S.....1................Colerne, Wiltshire ################################## 1881 England Census Name: George Westall Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Hungerford, Berkshire, England Civil Parish: Bradford On Avon County/Island: Wiltshire Country: England Street address: 3 Poulton Place Condition as to marriage: Married Occupation: Shepherd Registration district: Bradford On Avon Sub registration district: Bradford South Eastern ED, institution, or vessel: 9 George Westall Head..M..40..Shepherd....Hungerford, Berks Mary Westall Wife...M..38..Laundress..Stanton, Wiltshire Harriet A. Westall Dau....S..15.....................Colerne, Wiltshire William J. Westall Son....S..11..Scholar.......Colerne, Wiltshire Thirza M. Westall Dau....S...6..Scholar........Bleime, Monmouthshire Martha J. Westall Dau....S...4......................Bleime, Monmouthshire Henrietta L. Westall Dau....S..1.......................Bradford, Wiltshire Daisy M. Gibbs Boarder....S..1.......................Abbey Dore, Hereford ############################# 1891 England Census Name: George Westall Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Hungerford, Berkshire, England Civil Parish: Bradford Ecclesiastical parish: Bradford Holy Trinity Town: Bradford County/Island: Wiltshire Country: England Street address: 89 Westwood Lane Cottage Occupation: Shepherd Condition as to marriage: Married Registration district: Bradford On Avon Sub registration district: Bradford South Eastern ED, institution, or vessel: 9 George Westall Head..M..50..Shepherd..Berks, Hungerford Mary Westall Wife..M..47...................Wilts, Stanton St Quintin Martha Westall Dau...S..14...................Wilts, Bradford upon Avon Henrieatta Westall Dau...S..12...................Wilts, Bradford upon Avon Daisey Westall Dau...S..11..Scholar.....Wilts, Bradford upon Avon Thomas Westall Son...S...9..Scholar.....Wilts, Bradford upon Avon Alice Westall Dau...S...7..Scholar.....Wilts, Bradford upon Avon Henery Westall Son...S...5....................Wilts, Bradford upon Avon Minnie Westall Dau...S..4....................Wilts, Bradford upon Avon ############################# 1901 England Census Name: George Westall Age: 58 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Hungerford, Berkshire, England Civil Parish: Bradford Ecclesiastical parish: Bradford Holy Trinity County/Island: Wiltshire Country: England Street address: 61 Trowle Common Farm House Occupation: Shepherd on Farm Condition as to marriage: Married Registration district: Bradford on Avon Sub registration district: Bradford South Eastern ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 61 George Westall Head..M..58..Shepherd on Farm..Berks, Hungerford Mary Westall Wife...M..57..................................Wilts, Stanton George Westall Son....S..19..Drayman Railway......Wilts, Bradford upon Avon Winnie Westall Dau...S..14..................................Wilts, Bradford upon Avon Tom Westall GSon...S...3..................................Wales, Trelow, Glamorgan Nellie Burton Visitor...S..22................................. Suffolk, Ipswich ############################ Taken from Free BMD ?? Deaths Sep 1907 WESTALL George Ernest Hungerford 2c 135 The district Hungerford spans the boundaries of the counties of Berkshire, Hampshire and Wiltshire From: J & E Armstrong [mailto:ellmay7@bigpond.net.au] Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 9:20 PM To: Bob Westall Subject: Mary Woolford Bob Browsing this am. I found Mary Ann Woolford married to George Westall Oct-Nov- Dec 1862 Hungerford 2c 509. On the same page there were Ann Lewington married to William Davis. Other George Westalls were married to Jane Dobson 1875 Martha Pike 1876 Sarah Wootton 1885. All from Free BMD. Then from ancestry, George Westall m Mary Woolford b 1839. His father was Joseph Woolford and her mother was Charlotte Dobson. This should fix things in our minds? Best wishes Eileen. 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Eileen, There are tree differences. I have Harriet Elizabeth Westall, William John Westall, and there is a 2nd James Westall born Bet. Oct - Dec 1884 making a total of 12 children. I have attached my notes for Thomas Westall b 1841. I hope it makes some sense? Bob 1871 England Census Name: Thomas Westall Age: 28 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Ramsbury, Wiltshire, England Civil Parish: Ramsbury County/Island: Wiltshire Country: England Street address: Oxford St. Occupation: Ag Laborer Condition as to marriage: Married Registration district: Hungerford Sub registration district: Hungerford ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 46 Thomas Westall Head..M..28..Ag Laborer..Wilts, Ramsbury Sarah Westall Wife..M..30..Ag Laborer..Wilts, Ramsbury Manas Westall Son...S....6..Scholar........Wilts, Ramsbury George Westall Son...S....5..Scholar........Wilts, Ramsbury James Westall Son...S....3......................Wilts, Ramsbury Harriet E Westall Dau...S....6 months.........Wilts, Ramsbury ############################# 1881 England Census Name: Thomas Westel Age: 39 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Ramsbury, Wiltshire, England Civil Parish: Ramsbury County/Island: Wiltshire Country: England Street address: Blind Lane Condition as to marriage: Married Occupation: Ag Lab Registration district: Hungerford Sub registration district: Hungerford ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Thomas Westel Head..M..39..Ag Laborer....Wilts, Ramsbury Sarah Westel Wife..M..40...................... .Wilts, Ramsbury Thomas Westel Son...S..16..Under Carter..Wilts, Ramsbury George Westel Son...S..15..Under Carter..Wilts, Ramsbury James Westel Son...S..13..Plough Boy.....Wilts, Ramsbury Harriet Westel Dau...S..10..Scholar...........Wilts, Ramsbury William J. Westel Son...S....8..Scholar...........Wilts, Ramsbury Maurice Westel Son...S....7..Scholar...........Wilts, Ramsbury John Westel Son...S....5..Scholar...........Wilts, Ramsbury Louisa Westel Dau...S....3..Scholar...........Wilts, Ramsbury Henry Westel Son...S.....1........................Wilts, Ramsbury ######################## 1891 England Census Name: Thomas Westall Age: 51 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Ramsbury, Wiltshire, England Civil Parish: Ramsbury Ecclesiastical parish: Ramsbury Town: Ramsbury County/Island: Wiltshire Country: England Street address: 62 Blind Lane Occupation: General Laborer Condition as to marriage: Married Registration district: Hungerford Sub registration district: Hungerford ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Thomas Westall Head..M..51..General Laborer..Wilts, Ramsbury Sarah Westall Wife..M..50...............................Wilts, Ramsbury George Westall Son...S..25..Farm Lab Ag.........Wilts, Ramsbury John Westall Son...S..15..Woodman.............Wilts, Ramsbury Louisa Westall Dau...S..13...............................Wilts, Ramsbury Harry Westall Son...S..11..Scholar.................Wilts, Ramsbury Fred Westall Son...S...9..Scholar..................Wilts, Ramsbury James Westall Son...S...6..Scholar..................Wilts, Ramsbury Edward Westall Son...S...3..................................Wilts, Ramsbury ########################### 1901 England Census Name: Thomas Westall Age: 60 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Ramsbury, Wiltshire, England Civil Parish: Ramsbury Ecclesiastical parish: Ramsbury Holy Cross Town: Ramsbury County/Island: Wiltshire Country: England Street address: 120 High St. Occupation: Estate Laborer Condition as to marriage: Married Registration district: Hungerford Sub registration district: Hungerford ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 120 Thomas Westall Head..M..60..Estate Laborer..Worker..Wilts, Ramsbury Sarah Westall Wife..M..59..........................................Wilts, Ramsbury George Westall Son...S..35..Cattle Man..........Worker..Wilts, Ramsbury Louisa Westall Dau..S..23...........................................Wilts, Ramsbury Fredrick Westall Son..S..19..??????????.....................Wilts, Ramsbury James Westall Son..S..16..Boot Boy Domestic..........Wilts, Ramsbury Edward Westall Son..S..13..Teaster............................Wilts, Ramsbury ########################### Taken from Free BMD Deaths Mar 1908 WESTALL Thomas Hungerford 2c 186 The district Hungerford spans the boundaries of the counties of Berkshire, Hampshire and Wiltshire From: J & E Armstrong [mailto:ellmay7@bigpond.net.au] Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 10:11 PM To: Bob Westall Subject: Thomas Westall Bob Found my list of the 12 Westall-Dobson offspring Thomas 1865/ George 1866/ James 1868/ Harriet 1871/ William 1873/ Maurice 1874/ John1876/ Louisa 1878/ Henry 1880/ Frederick 1881/ Edward 1888. 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David, I know you are very busy but in an email in 2002 you mentioned that your are related to the Westall family through George and his son Charles born Nov 1816 in Kintbury, Berkshire, Eng. I have searched until I am blue in the face and cannot make the connection! I have followed the Hindley line back to William Hindley born 1811 in Chester, Cheshire, Eng. I hope I have the Hindley line straight? If possible could you assist me by telling me which of the Charles Westall family you are descended from and how it is laid out? Maybe not today but at your earliest possible moment! Below I have included my notes on Charles! As usual I hope they make sense? Regards Bob http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=dhindle y&id=I1111 ID: I1111 Name: Charles WESTALL Given Name: Charles Surname: Westall Sex: M Birth: 1816 in Kintbury,Berkshire Death: BEF 1897 in Caldicot,Monmouthshire Occupation: gen labourer Change Date: 24 APR 2001 at 11:06:19 ADDR: ADR1: Charles Westall Father: George WESTALL Mother: Mary BROOKS Marriage 1 Elizabeth WHITE Married: 2 OCT 1842 in Cam,Gloucester,England Children 1. Charles WESTALL b: ABT 1844 in Cam,Gloucestershire 2. Henry WESTALL b: 11 JAN 1846 in Canford,Dorset,England 3. John WESTALL b: 1854 in Cam,Glous 4. Lucy WESTALL b: 1864 in Almondsbury,Gloucester 5. Elizabeth WESTALL b: 1868 in Almondsbury,Gloucester ################################### 1851 England Census Name: Charles Westall Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Bark Kentbury Civil Parish: Cam County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Street address: Ladies Hall Occupation: Ag Lab Condition as to marriage: Married Registration district: Dursley Sub registration district: Wotton ED, institution, or vessel: 3d Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 76 Charles Westall Head..M..30..Ag Lab...Bark, Kentbury Elizabeth Westall Wife..M..25.................Gloucestershire, Cam Charles Westall Son...S....7..Scholar...Gloucestershire, Cam Henry Westall Son...S....5..Scholar...Carp Hill, Dorsetshire ################################### 1861 England Census Name: Charles Westal Age: 42 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Berkshire, England Civil Parish: Almondsbury County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Street address: Raileway Huts Occupation: Railway Laborer Condition as to marriage: Married Registration district: Thornbury Sub registration district: Almondsbury ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 22 Charles Westal Head..M..42..Railway Laborer...Berkshire Elizabeth Westal Wife..M..35...............................Gloucestershire, Cam Henry Westal Son...S..15..Railway Laborer..Gloucestershire, Cam John Westal Son...S....8..Scholar...................Gloucestershire, Cam Thomas Westal Son...S....6..Scholar..................Gloucestershire, Cam Alfred Westal Son...S....3...............................Gloucestershire, Cam Elen Westal Dau...S....5 Mo.........................Gloucestershire, Almondsbury Joseph Denning Lodger...S..28...............................Somerset ################################### Taken from the 1871 Federal Census Name: Charles Westall Age in 1871: 55 Estimated birth year: 1816 Relation: Head Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Kentley, Berkshire, England Civil parish: Almondsbury Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: Over Lane County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Source information: RG10/2584 Registration district: Thornbury Sub-registration district: Almondsbury ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Folio: 49 Page: 25 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 126 Charles Westall Head..M..55..Brick Maker..Berskshire, Kentley Elizabeth Wife...M..44......................Gloucestershire, Cam Alfred Son.......14..BrickCarrier...Gloucestershire, Cam Ellen Dau.......11..Scholar.........Gloucestershire, Almondsbury Mary Dau........9..Scholar..........Gloucestershire, Almondsbury Lucy Dau........6..Scholar..........Gloucestershire, Almondsbury Elizabeth Dau........3........................Gloucestershire, Almondsbury George White Sis's Son..S..14..Brick Carrier...Gloucestershire, Cam ################################### Taken from the 1881 British Census Dwelling: 1 Pill Road Census Place: Caldicot, Monmouth, Wales Source: FHL Film 1342257 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5217 Folio 18 Page 1 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Chas. WESTALL M 63 M Salisbury, Berkshire, England Rel: Head Occ: General Labourer Elizth. WESTALL M 54 F Cam, Berkshire, England Rel: Wife Lucy WESTALL 17 F Almondsbury, Gloucester, England Rel: Daur Elizth. WESTALL 13 F Almondsbury, Gloucester, England Rel: Daur Wm. BODAS M 20 M Bristol, Gloucester, England Rel: Boarder Occ: General Labourer Hr. HUGHES M 19 M Bristol, Gloucester, England Rel: Boarder Occ: General Labourer Jas. RICHARDS M 36 M Bristol, Gloucester, England Rel: Boarder Occ: General Labourer ################################# E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11180 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Bob Sorry to disappear for a while. Pressing business with my students I'm afraid. I have no solid basis for Henry Westall's parents yet I am afraid, but thank you for the siblings George and Merial. Henry married Eliza Pike in the second quarter of 1851 so the next step is to look at the marriage data there to see what evidence it throws upon his (and Eliza's) parents. No time at present but it's on my to do list. Oliver > Oliver, > > Have you ever gone farther back than Harry b 04 Feb 1827. I believe he had > a brother George b 1826, and a sister Merial b 1832. All were born in > Axford I believe. I have looked around until I was green in the face and > not luck! > > Oh yes, the spelling of the sister may be well off but that is the only > spelling I found at all! > > Bob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: westall-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:westall-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Oliver Westall > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 3:31 AM > To: westall@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Westall of Wiltshire > > Bob > > Forgive me if you are aware of the University College, London Surname > Database, but if not, have a look here at the distribution of the surname > Westall in the 1881 Census: > > http://www.nationaltrustnames.org.uk/Map.aspx?name=WESTALL&year=1881&altyear > =1998&country=GB&type=name > > You can find a good deal more information in this source, including the foci > of Westalls in the US and New Zealand and comparable UK data for 1998. > > You will see that the data broadly confirms your suggestion. But Fred > Westall's fascinating researches show how his line escaped via canal and > tunnel construction to create the now very significant northern Westall > branch. While I live in the north of England, I moved here myself as a young > man and my link is really back to Axford via my grandfather Harry. > > Oliver Westall > > > > >> Correct me if I am wrong. It seems to me that most of the Wiltshire > Westall >> family are located from Bristol East by southeast to Bath. From Bath to >> Bradford-upon-Avon as well as to Colerne. >> >> >> >> Trowbridge is East by Southeast of Bradford-upon-Avon and Melksham is East >> by northeast from Bradford-upon-Avon. Almost due north of Melksham is >> Chippenham and on North by northeast is Swindon. Marlborough is almost > due >> south of Swindon. Pretty much due east of Marlborough is Axford, > Ramsbury, >> >> Hungerford, and Kintbury in that order. Lambourn is due north of Kintbury >> and south by southeast of Swindon. >> >> >> >> Pretty much everybody in the Wiltshire Westall family that I have in our >> data base (now over 800) lived in one of these communities. >> >> >> >> Trowbridge in very much amongst these communities but they seem to have >> their own separate Westall family? >> >> >> >> Thanks to everyone that has aided in the research so far. Lots more to >> learn about I think! >> >> >> >> Bob >> >> >> >> >> >> E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) >> Database version: 5.11090 >> http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11090 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11121 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message Oliver Westall MBA Director Lancaster University Management School Lancaster LA1 4YX + 44 (0)1524 594219 http://www.lums.lancs.ac.uk/masters/mba/

Oliver, Whenever you have the chance to get Henry's marriage Certificate I would be most interested in your findings! Henry's brother George did not marry but I did find some info on him. For your review I am including it in this email. Regards as ever! Bob 1851 England Census Name: George Westall Age: 27 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824 Relation: Brother Gender: Male Where born: Axford, Wiltshire, England Civil Parish: Ramsbury County/Island: Wiltshire Country: England Street address: 37 Axford Occupation: ??? Laborer Condition as to marriage: Single Registration district: Hungerford Sub registration district: Kintbury ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 37 Henry Westall Head..Unm..25..??? Laborer..Wilt, Axford George Westall Brother..Unm..27..??? Laborer..Wilt, Axford Merial Westall Sister...Unm..19...............Wilt, Axford ############################## Taken from the 1861 British Cenus Name: George Westall Age: 33 Estimated birth year: abt 1828 Relation: Servant Gender: Male Where born: Axford, Wiltshire, England Civil parish: Mildenhall County/Island: Wiltshire Country: England Street address: View image Condition as to marriage: Unmarried Occupation: Servant/Shephard Source information: RG9/1288 Registration district: Marlborough Sub-registration district: Marlborough ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Folio: 108 Page: 11 Household schedule number: 60 GSU Number: 542789 John Tarrant Head..M..66..Farmer 130 Acres 5 m & 2 b..Wilts, Mildenhall Mary Wife..M..65..............................Wilts, Mildenhal Harry John Son...S..23..............................Wilts, Mildenhal Gerge Westall Servant..S..33..Serv, Shephard..............Wilts, Axford ############################ Taken from the 1871 British Census Name: George Westall Age: 47 Estimated birth year: abt 1824 Relation: Servant Gender: Male Where born: Oxford, Wiltshire, England Civil Parish: Mildenhall Town: Mildenhall County/Island: Wiltshire Country: England Condition as to marriage: Unmarried Occupation: Shephard/Servant Source information: RG10/1905 Registration district: Marlborough Sub-registration district: Marlborough ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Folio: 39 Page: 10 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 46 GSU Number: 830866 George Westall Servant..Unm..47..Shephard/Servant..Wilts, Axford ################################## 1881 England Census Name: George Westall Age: 53 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Axford, Wiltshire, England Civil Parish: Preshute County/Island: Wiltshire Country: England Street address: The Village Frog Lane Occupation: Shepherd Registration district: Marlborough Sub registration district: Marlborough ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Jane Scott Head..Wd..80..Formally an Agr.Lab..Wilts, Preshute George Westall Lodger..S..53..Shepherd.............Wilts, Axford ################################### 1891 England Census Name: George Westall Age: 60 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Axford, Wiltshire, England Civil Parish: Preshute Ecclesiastical parish: Preshute Town: Manton County/Island: Wiltshire Country: England Street address: 4 Manton Occupation: Agricultural Laborer Condition as to marriage: Single Registration district: Marlborough Sub registration district: Marlborough ED, institution, or vessel: 11 William Weston Head..M..52..Agricultrual Laborer..Wilts, Bronham Elizabeth Weston 46 Elizabeth Weston 5 George Weston 13 Oliver Weston 11 Rose Weston 4 George Westall Lodger..S..60..Agricultrual Laborer..Wilts, Axford ############################### Taken from Free BMD Deaths Mar 1901 Westall George 77 Marlbro' 5a 57 The district Marlbro' is an alternative name for Marlborough and it is in the county of Wiltshire -----Original Message----- From: westall-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:westall-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Oliver Westall Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 3:46 PM To: westall@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Westall of Wiltshire Bob Sorry to disappear for a while. Pressing business with my students I'm afraid. I have no solid basis for Henry Westall's parents yet I am afraid, but thank you for the siblings George and Merial. Henry married Eliza Pike in the second quarter of 1851 so the next step is to look at the marriage data there to see what evidence it throws upon his (and Eliza's) parents. No time at present but it's on my to do list. Oliver E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11160 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Tom As you know your grandfather Thomas G Westall came back to England in efforts to get St. Lucia it independence. I believe this was one of his trips for this purpose. I just found this today. Bob UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 Name: Thomas G Westall Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States Arrival Date: 22 Aug 1910 Port of Arrival: Southampton, England Ports of Voyage: New York, Kingston, Colón, Savanilla, Trinidad, Barbados and St Michaels Ship Name: Atrato Search Ship Database: View the 'Atrato' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping Line: Royal Mail Steam Packet Company Ltd Official Number: 95512 Thomas G. Westall was accompanied by his wife Caroline and daughter Pearl. E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11150 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Oliver, Have you ever gone farther back than Harry b 04 Feb 1827. I believe he had a brother George b 1826, and a sister Merial b 1832. All were born in Axford I believe. I have looked around until I was green in the face and not luck! Oh yes, the spelling of the sister may be well off but that is the only spelling I found at all! Bob -----Original Message----- From: westall-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:westall-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Oliver Westall Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 3:31 AM To: westall@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Westall of Wiltshire Bob Forgive me if you are aware of the University College, London Surname Database, but if not, have a look here at the distribution of the surname Westall in the 1881 Census: http://www.nationaltrustnames.org.uk/Map.aspx?name=WESTALL&year=1881&altyear =1998&country=GB&type=name You can find a good deal more information in this source, including the foci of Westalls in the US and New Zealand and comparable UK data for 1998. You will see that the data broadly confirms your suggestion. But Fred Westall's fascinating researches show how his line escaped via canal and tunnel construction to create the now very significant northern Westall branch. While I live in the north of England, I moved here myself as a young man and my link is really back to Axford via my grandfather Harry. Oliver Westall > Correct me if I am wrong. It seems to me that most of the Wiltshire Westall > family are located from Bristol East by southeast to Bath. From Bath to > Bradford-upon-Avon as well as to Colerne. > > > > Trowbridge is East by Southeast of Bradford-upon-Avon and Melksham is East > by northeast from Bradford-upon-Avon. Almost due north of Melksham is > Chippenham and on North by northeast is Swindon. Marlborough is almost due > south of Swindon. Pretty much due east of Marlborough is Axford, Ramsbury, > > Hungerford, and Kintbury in that order. Lambourn is due north of Kintbury > and south by southeast of Swindon. > > > > Pretty much everybody in the Wiltshire Westall family that I have in our > data base (now over 800) lived in one of these communities. > > > > Trowbridge in very much amongst these communities but they seem to have > their own separate Westall family? > > > > Thanks to everyone that has aided in the research so far. Lots more to > learn about I think! > > > > Bob > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11090 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11090 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11121 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Bob http://www.british-history.ac.uk/mapsheet.aspx?compid=55143&sheetid=9190&ox= 385&oy=1046&zm=1&czm=1&x=282&y=218 You might like to compare the current satellite picture with this 1887 Ordnance Survey Map of Ramsbury - and your search could move westwards on to Axford and Marlborough at the same source (this will emphasise how tiny Axford was). The detail is a bit muddy here but it's not difficult to buy clear printed copies that would provide far better definition. Oliver > Everybody, > > > > John Newton Westall b 1815 in Ramsbury, Wiltshire was living at 29 High St > in the 1851 Census. As I type this I am looking at the Satellite picture of > Ramsbury and I have enlarged it to the point that I can clearly see the > buildings on High ST, Ramsbury, Wiltshire. High St extends from Back Lane > to where the name changes at the intersection Oxford St., High St, > Scholard's Lane, and Back Lane. Amusingly if you look at Back Lane and High > street from above they look like an American Football with Burdett St > cutting the football in half. > > > > I apologize if I sound excited but I have struggled for years trying to > understand the geography and relationship of one town with another and this > map gives me all of that in one shot! > > > > Regards > > > > Bob Westall > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11100 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message Oliver Westall MBA Director Lancaster University Management School Lancaster LA1 4YX + 44 (0)1524 594219 http://www.lums.lancs.ac.uk/masters/mba/