Hi Julie What's your source for the marriage and family of James WESTALL/Edith nee ALLEN? There appear to be some 'suspect' submissions on FamilySearch. Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Watt" <wattlebee@bigpond.com> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 7:45 PM Subject: [WESTALL] Charles Westall Middlesex to Australia > > Hi everyone > I come from a land downunder and have been trying to find > what happened to Charles WESTALL son of James and Edith > nee ALLEN. > > I have managed to find his siblings (listed below) > > I do not know when he came to Australia and when and where > he died. > > He married my Great Grandma Alma Constance nee Kershaw > while she was still married to my Great Grandad (she > married as Amy Miller born in England) - [just after Great > Grandad arrived home from WW1 - they divorced in 1923] > > Charles and Amy (Alma) had 5 children of which I have info > on and possibly another who died in infancy. > > In latter years Alma (Amy) was with her first hubby (my > Great Grandad) > > I haven't found anything to suggest the whereabouts of > Charles WESTALL after 1931 where he is listed in the > Electoral roll in Martin NSW living with Amy (Alma). > > I would be interested in knowing some more about his > ancestry in England too > > If anyone has any ideas as to what happened to Charles > post 1931 or know anything about his family history I > would love to hear from you. > > Thanks in advance > Kind regards > Julie > > 1. James WESTALL (b.Abt 1953-Middlesex,England) > > > sp: Edith ALLEN (b.Abt 1857-Middlesex,England) > > > 2. Charles WESTALL (b.1879-Middlesex,England) > > > sp: Alma Constance KERSHAW aka Amy Miller (b.22 > Mar 1882-Queanbeyan, N, Australia; m.2 Aug 1918; d.7 Jan > 1948-NSW, Australia) > > > 2. Henry WESTALL (b.1866) > > > 2. Jessie WESTALL > > > 2. Agnes WESTALL > > > 2. Ernest F WESTALL > > > 2. Florence WESTALL > > > 2. Ada E WESTALL > > > > > Faith and fear cannot coexist. > Faith causes action; fear inaction. > Believing we can allows us to survive > the most rigorous of circumstances. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message >

Julie, I have tried to find your family and have come up with what appears to be an almost perfect match for the children etc? The fly in the ointment is that they were all born in Berkshire from 1866 to 1879 and no Charles as of the 1881 Census. After a short look see in the 1891 Census they were not to be found? It would also appear that James was b in 1842 and Edith Westall nee Allen was b in 1845, both in Berkshire? Bob 1881 England Census Name: James Westall Age: 39 Estimated birth year: abt 1842 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Edith Gender: Male Where born: Boxford, Berkshire, England Civil parish: Thatcham County/Island: Berkshire Country: England Street Address: 91 Little Henwick Condition as to marriage: Married Occupation: Ag Labourer Registration district: Newbury Sub-registration district: Thatcham ED, institution, or vessel: 6 James Westall Head..M..39..Ag Laborer..Berks, Boxford Edith Westall Wife..M..36..............Berks, Chieveley Henry Westall Son...S..15..Ag Laborer..Berks, Speen Jessie Westall Dau..S...13..Scholar.....Berks, Leckhamstead Agnes Westall Dau..S...11..Scholar.....Berks, Leckhamstead Ernest F. Westall Son..S....8..Scholar.....Berks, Leckhamstead Florence Westall Dau...S...6..Scholar.....Berks, Boxford Ada E. Westall Dau....S..2..............Berks, Shefford -----Original Message----- From: westall-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:westall-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Julie Watt Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 3:45 PM To: westall@rootsweb.com Subject: [WESTALL] Charles Westall Middlesex to Australia Hi everyone I come from a land downunder and have been trying to find what happened to Charles WESTALL son of James and Edith nee ALLEN. I have managed to find his siblings (listed below) I do not know when he came to Australia and when and where he died. He married my Great Grandma Alma Constance nee Kershaw while she was still married to my Great Grandad (she married as Amy Miller born in England) - [just after Great Grandad arrived home from WW1 - they divorced in 1923] Charles and Amy (Alma) had 5 children of which I have info on and possibly another who died in infancy. In latter years Alma (Amy) was with her first hubby (my Great Grandad) I haven't found anything to suggest the whereabouts of Charles WESTALL after 1931 where he is listed in the Electoral roll in Martin NSW living with Amy (Alma). I would be interested in knowing some more about his ancestry in England too If anyone has any ideas as to what happened to Charles post 1931 or know anything about his family history I would love to hear from you. Thanks in advance Kind regards Julie 1. James WESTALL (b.Abt 1953-Middlesex,England) sp: Edith ALLEN (b.Abt 1857-Middlesex,England) 2. Charles WESTALL (b.1879-Middlesex,England) sp: Alma Constance KERSHAW aka Amy Miller (b.22 Mar 1882-Queanbeyan, N, Australia; m.2 Aug 1918; d.7 Jan 1948-NSW, Australia) 2. Henry WESTALL (b.1866) 2. Jessie WESTALL 2. Agnes WESTALL 2. Ernest F WESTALL 2. Florence WESTALL 2. Ada E WESTALL E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14560 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Seems the boys may not have favoured their first Christian names? FreeBMD Births Sep 1890 WESTALL Walter William Pancras 1b 172 Jun 1897 WESTALL Edward Charles Pancras 1b 108 Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Wilkinson" <margaretjanew@hotmail.com> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles E. Westall m Alice Francis > > > > I tried to look this family up in 1911 census, assuming > that Charles and William might have been brothers. > > The only family with a Charles and a William Westall (no > initials given) was a family of Westall's born in St > Pancras and living in Islington. > > I can find no appropriate birth registrations for Charles > E Westall or William W Westall in St Pancras at the right > time (Charles aged 14 and William aged 20). > This still might be the right family, but unless the name > of Charles' father is known from marriage certificate, it > would be difficult to establish a connection. > Does your contact know any more about this family? They > don't appear to be particularly well off - father a wood > chopper, children various occupations inc. rag sorter, rag > sorters assistant and Charles himself a newsboy. > > Margaret

I went a few stages further and discovered that a 'Walter' WESTALL, 1891 with a wife Elizabeth, appeared to have children in a similar sequence to William the woodcutter ......... Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Wilkinson" <margaretjanew@hotmail.com> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles E. Westall m Alice Francis > > > > I tried to look this family up in 1911 census, assuming > that Charles and William might have been brothers. > > The only family with a Charles and a William Westall (no > initials given) was a family of Westall's born in St > Pancras and living in Islington. > > I can find no appropriate birth registrations for Charles > E Westall or William W Westall in St Pancras at the right > time (Charles aged 14 and William aged 20). > This still might be the right family, but unless the name > of Charles' father is known from marriage certificate, it > would be difficult to establish a connection. > Does your contact know any more about this family? They > don't appear to be particularly well off - father a wood > chopper, children various occupations inc. rag sorter, rag > sorters assistant and Charles himself a newsboy. > > Margaret >

Bob, Wrong again!! But only in your knowledge of English counties this time! Wantage registration district spans the boundaries of the counties of Berkshire and Oxfordshire, quite a distance from Kent. Possibility for his birth - Birth Wantage WESTALL Edward Percy Jun qtr 1895 Vol 2c p310 No 'suitable' Edward in 1911 census. Margaret > From: bobatbmw@cox.net > To: westall@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:51:19 -0400 > Subject: [WESTALL] Edward P. Westall married Dorothy Kent, 1919, Wantage > > Hi Again, > > > > OK, let's try another one! > > > > Edward P. Westall married Dorothy Kent Bet. Oct - Dec 1919 in Wantage, Kent, > Eng I believe. They also had a large family! J The children were born > between 1920 and 1933. As mentioned in an earlier email the only reason I > believe they may all be siblings is that I cannot find comparable named > parents? > > > > Doris I. > > William J. > > Henry M. > > Edward G. > > Rosemary R. > > Kenneth R. > > Frank > > Diana D > > Alan > > > > I did check but did not find another marriage between a Westall Male and a > Kent female. Does anyone have an idea of who Edward P. Westall parents and > siblings were? > > > > Bob Westall > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) > Database version: 6.14550 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Send us your Hotmail stories and be featured in our newsletter http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

I tried to look this family up in 1911 census, assuming that Charles and William might have been brothers. The only family with a Charles and a William Westall (no initials given) was a family of Westall's born in St Pancras and living in Islington. I can find no appropriate birth registrations for Charles E Westall or William W Westall in St Pancras at the right time (Charles aged 14 and William aged 20). This still might be the right family, but unless the name of Charles' father is known from marriage certificate, it would be difficult to establish a connection. Does your contact know any more about this family? They don't appear to be particularly well off - father a wood chopper, children various occupations inc. rag sorter, rag sorters assistant and Charles himself a newsboy. Margaret > From: bobatbmw@cox.net > To: westall@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 12:44:08 -0400 > Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles E. Westall m Alice Francis > > Dorothy, > > You could be absolutely correct but I knew nothing of the Charles E. family. > I have seen so many births registered late or incorrectly that I did not > automatically feel it was totally wrong. There was a chance that they were > twins? The person that told me of the family said that Charles E. and Alice > had a large family of something like 13 children. > > Having two women by the name of Francis marrying two men by the name of > Westall in the same location in a short period of time does make the > situation a little of a problem. > > Thanks for your thoughts. Anyone else have any thoughts. > > Bob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: westall-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:westall-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Dorothy Jones > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 5:49 AM > To: westall@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles E. Westall m Alice Francis > > Hi Bob > > I think you're working under a false assumption here. There > are two WESTALL marriages to FRANCIS brides in Islington: > > 4Q 1914 William W. WESTALL / Florence FRANCIS > 2Q 1919 Charles E WESTALL / Alice FRANCIS > > The giveaway was the birth registration for Charles 2Q 1920 > followed too closely by Sidney 4Q 1920. > > Either couple could have been the parents for Charles Edward > born 1920. I think it will take his birth certificate to > confirm his parentage before pursuing parentage of his > father, but I anticipate they might be brothers marrying > sisters and you may have unwittingly integrated two > families. > > Dorothy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Westall" <bobatbmw@cox.net> > To: <westall@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 3:54 AM > Subject: [WESTALL] Charles E. Westall m Alice Francis > > > > > Hi, > > > I am working on a family and the Husband/father is Charles > > E. Westall. > > Charles E. married Alice Francis Bet. Jul - Sep 1920 > > Islington, Middlesex, > > Eng as noted below: > > > > England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 > > > Name: Charles E Westall > > Spouse Surname: Francis > > Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1919 > > Registration district: Islington > > Registration county (inferred): Middlesex > > Volume Number: 1b > > Page Number: 432 > > > > England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 > > about Alice Francis > > Name: Alice Francis > > Spouse Surname: Westall > > Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1919 > > Registration district: Islington > > Registration county (inferred): Middlesex > > Volume Number: 1b > > Page Number: 432 > > > > They had a very large family of 13 or so all born in > > Islington and they are > > Charles, Sidney, Walter, Alice, Gladys, Grace, Doris, > > Irene, Leslie, > > Reginald, Ronald, Jean, and Terrence in order of birth > > born between 1920 and > > 1937. > > > Can anyone give me the parents of the father, Charles E. > > Westall born ca. > > 1890's or so. I do not know where he was born but > > Greater London area > > might be a decent guess? > > > Bob Westall > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) > Database version: 6.14550 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) > Database version: 6.14550 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Send us your Hotmail stories and be featured in our newsletter http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

Bob I took this research a stage further and found these death registrations: WESTALL, Charles Edward May 2004 Date of birth: 22 June 1920 WESTALL, Sydney David December 2000 Date of Birth: 23 October 1920 Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Westall" <bobatbmw@cox.net> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles E. Westall m Alice Francis > > Dorothy, > > You could be absolutely correct but I knew nothing of the > Charles E. family. > I have seen so many births registered late or incorrectly > that I did not > automatically feel it was totally wrong. There was a > chance that they were > twins? The person that told me of the family said that > Charles E. and Alice > had a large family of something like 13 children. > > Having two women by the name of Francis marrying two men > by the name of > Westall in the same location in a short period of time > does make the > situation a little of a problem. > > Thanks for your thoughts. Anyone else have any thoughts. > > Bob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: westall-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:westall-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Dorothy Jones > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 5:49 AM > To: westall@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles E. Westall m Alice Francis > > Hi Bob > > I think you're working under a false assumption here. > There > are two WESTALL marriages to FRANCIS brides in Islington: > > 4Q 1914 William W. WESTALL / Florence FRANCIS > 2Q 1919 Charles E WESTALL / Alice FRANCIS > > The giveaway was the birth registration for Charles 2Q > 1920 > followed too closely by Sidney 4Q 1920. > > Either couple could have been the parents for Charles > Edward > born 1920. I think it will take his birth certificate to > confirm his parentage before pursuing parentage of his > father, but I anticipate they might be brothers marrying > sisters and you may have unwittingly integrated two > families. > > Dorothy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Westall" <bobatbmw@cox.net> > To: <westall@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 3:54 AM > Subject: [WESTALL] Charles E. Westall m Alice Francis > > > >> Hi, > >> I am working on a family and the Husband/father is >> Charles >> E. Westall. >> Charles E. married Alice Francis Bet. Jul - Sep 1920 >> Islington, Middlesex, >> Eng as noted below: >> >> England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 > >> Name: Charles E Westall >> Spouse Surname: Francis >> Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1919 >> Registration district: Islington >> Registration county (inferred): Middlesex >> Volume Number: 1b >> Page Number: 432 >> >> England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 >> about Alice Francis > > Name: Alice Francis >> Spouse Surname: Westall >> Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1919 >> Registration district: Islington >> Registration county (inferred): Middlesex >> Volume Number: 1b >> Page Number: 432 >> >> They had a very large family of 13 or so all born in >> Islington and they are >> Charles, Sidney, Walter, Alice, Gladys, Grace, Doris, >> Irene, Leslie, >> Reginald, Ronald, Jean, and Terrence in order of birth >> born between 1920 and >> 1937. > >> Can anyone give me the parents of the father, Charles E. >> Westall born ca. >> 1890's or so. I do not know where he was born but >> Greater London area >> might be a decent guess? > >> Bob Westall > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) > Database version: 6.14550 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) > Database version: 6.14550 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message >

Hi Again, OK, let's try another one! Edward P. Westall married Dorothy Kent Bet. Oct - Dec 1919 in Wantage, Kent, Eng I believe. They also had a large family! J The children were born between 1920 and 1933. As mentioned in an earlier email the only reason I believe they may all be siblings is that I cannot find comparable named parents? Doris I. William J. Henry M. Edward G. Rosemary R. Kenneth R. Frank Diana D Alan I did check but did not find another marriage between a Westall Male and a Kent female. Does anyone have an idea of who Edward P. Westall parents and siblings were? Bob Westall E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14550 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Dorothy, You could be absolutely correct but I knew nothing of the Charles E. family. I have seen so many births registered late or incorrectly that I did not automatically feel it was totally wrong. There was a chance that they were twins? The person that told me of the family said that Charles E. and Alice had a large family of something like 13 children. Having two women by the name of Francis marrying two men by the name of Westall in the same location in a short period of time does make the situation a little of a problem. Thanks for your thoughts. Anyone else have any thoughts. Bob -----Original Message----- From: westall-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:westall-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dorothy Jones Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 5:49 AM To: westall@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles E. Westall m Alice Francis Hi Bob I think you're working under a false assumption here. There are two WESTALL marriages to FRANCIS brides in Islington: 4Q 1914 William W. WESTALL / Florence FRANCIS 2Q 1919 Charles E WESTALL / Alice FRANCIS The giveaway was the birth registration for Charles 2Q 1920 followed too closely by Sidney 4Q 1920. Either couple could have been the parents for Charles Edward born 1920. I think it will take his birth certificate to confirm his parentage before pursuing parentage of his father, but I anticipate they might be brothers marrying sisters and you may have unwittingly integrated two families. Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Westall" <bobatbmw@cox.net> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 3:54 AM Subject: [WESTALL] Charles E. Westall m Alice Francis > Hi, > I am working on a family and the Husband/father is Charles > E. Westall. > Charles E. married Alice Francis Bet. Jul - Sep 1920 > Islington, Middlesex, > Eng as noted below: > > England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 > Name: Charles E Westall > Spouse Surname: Francis > Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1919 > Registration district: Islington > Registration county (inferred): Middlesex > Volume Number: 1b > Page Number: 432 > > England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 > about Alice Francis > Name: Alice Francis > Spouse Surname: Westall > Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1919 > Registration district: Islington > Registration county (inferred): Middlesex > Volume Number: 1b > Page Number: 432 > > They had a very large family of 13 or so all born in > Islington and they are > Charles, Sidney, Walter, Alice, Gladys, Grace, Doris, > Irene, Leslie, > Reginald, Ronald, Jean, and Terrence in order of birth > born between 1920 and > 1937. > Can anyone give me the parents of the father, Charles E. > Westall born ca. > 1890's or so. I do not know where he was born but > Greater London area > might be a decent guess? > Bob Westall ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14550 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14550 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

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Hi Bob I think you're working under a false assumption here. There are two WESTALL marriages to FRANCIS brides in Islington: 4Q 1914 William W. WESTALL / Florence FRANCIS 2Q 1919 Charles E WESTALL / Alice FRANCIS The giveaway was the birth registration for Charles 2Q 1920 followed too closely by Sidney 4Q 1920. Either couple could have been the parents for Charles Edward born 1920. I think it will take his birth certificate to confirm his parentage before pursuing parentage of his father, but I anticipate they might be brothers marrying sisters and you may have unwittingly integrated two families. Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Westall" <bobatbmw@cox.net> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 3:54 AM Subject: [WESTALL] Charles E. Westall m Alice Francis > Hi, > I am working on a family and the Husband/father is Charles > E. Westall. > Charles E. married Alice Francis Bet. Jul - Sep 1920 > Islington, Middlesex, > Eng as noted below: > > England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 > Name: Charles E Westall > Spouse Surname: Francis > Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1919 > Registration district: Islington > Registration county (inferred): Middlesex > Volume Number: 1b > Page Number: 432 > > England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 > about Alice Francis > Name: Alice Francis > Spouse Surname: Westall > Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1919 > Registration district: Islington > Registration county (inferred): Middlesex > Volume Number: 1b > Page Number: 432 > > They had a very large family of 13 or so all born in > Islington and they are > Charles, Sidney, Walter, Alice, Gladys, Grace, Doris, > Irene, Leslie, > Reginald, Ronald, Jean, and Terrence in order of birth > born between 1920 and > 1937. > Can anyone give me the parents of the father, Charles E. > Westall born ca. > 1890's or so. I do not know where he was born but > Greater London area > might be a decent guess? > Bob Westall

Hi, I am working on a family and the Husband/father is Charles E. Westall. Charles E. married Alice Francis Bet. Jul - Sep 1920 Islington, Middlesex, Eng as noted below: England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 Name: Charles E Westall Spouse Surname: Francis Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1919 Registration district: Islington Registration county (inferred): Middlesex Volume Number: 1b Page Number: 432 England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 about Alice Francis Name: Alice Francis Spouse Surname: Westall Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1919 Registration district: Islington Registration county (inferred): Middlesex Volume Number: 1b Page Number: 432 They had a very large family of 13 or so all born in Islington and they are Charles, Sidney, Walter, Alice, Gladys, Grace, Doris, Irene, Leslie, Reginald, Ronald, Jean, and Terrence in order of birth born between 1920 and 1937. Can anyone give me the parents of the father, Charles E. Westall born ca. 1890's or so. I do not know where he was born but Greater London area might be a decent guess? Bob Westall E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14550 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Dear Bob, I've just seen the messages from December 2009 about this William Westall. The 1851 census entry definitely refers to my g-g-g-grandfather. My g-g-grandparents Louisa Westall and Henry Burgess Creswell were married in Manchester Cathedral on 5th November 1842. Louisa gave her age as "full", her address as Liverpool Road [Manchester] and her father's name and profession as William Westall, Innkeeper. Pigot & Slater's Directory of Manchester for 1841 has a William Francis Westall at the Railway & Commercial Hotel, Liverpool Road. By 1847, according to Slater's Directory of Important English Towns, the Railway & Commercial Hotel had been replaced by a coal yard (no doubt as a result of the proliferation of the railways in this part of Manchester) and William Francis Westall was at the Spread Eagle, Hanging Ditch. I have not found him in any Manchester directory after 1850 and I had convinced myself that, in spite of the extra forename, this was Louisa's father who was, by 1851, "out of business". Then I saw your message about the 1841 census entry and had to think again. The ages match (though I am surprised to see exact ages in 1841) and if Louisa was at school in Liverpool 1841 then this could be g-g-g-grandfather William. But if he was in Liverpool in 1841, William Francis must be a different person, though clearly related - possibly William's son? Can you (or anyone else) shed any more light, and/or tie my Westalls into the bigger picture? Jenny

Sir, Ernest George Westall Ernest George Westall is the son of Thomas George Westall and Caroline Westall of St Lucia. EGW is the brother of Charles Westall(already on your index) and John Hampton Westall. EGW is also my grandfather. His 1st marriage was to Alice who followed him to Halifax Nova Scotia Canada with their 3 children. I am unsure when or why they separated/divorced but his 2nd wife Eileen Crawford Petley Westall was my grandmother; their daughter Joyce Westall was may mother. The obituary for my grandfather EGW as appears in the Halifax Chronicle dated Monday 12 June 1944 ( as appears on Reel 5733 of the Nova Scotia Archives in Halifax) records includes the following: A commissioner of the Supreme Court, son of TG Westall, MBE, J.P. of London England survived by 4 daughters, Gwendolyn, Joyce, Agatha, and Mary, and also 5 sons; Thomas,Terrence,Noel, Adrian, and Anthony. He leaves 3 sisters, Agatha Westall of port of Spain, Trinidad; W.Kingston of Halifax, And Mrs J. Monoghan of Halifax and 2 brothers John and Charles living in New York. He is burried in the Camp Hill Cemetary in Halifax. His wife, my grandmother, Eileen Westall later died 17 July 1976 as reported in The Mail Star (NS Archives Reel 7691). She was also survived by 2 sisters, Evelyn Burns and Dorothy Barlow and one son Terrence Westall who died earlier in NYC , USA. Last month my wife Kathleen and I visited the grave of my great grandfather TG Westall in St Lucia and obtaind a book "The Historiy of Castries" that records his role in getting independence for St Lucia. Last year we also visited Halifax to find the grave of my grandmother Eileen Westall (TGW's daughter-in-law) and obtaind a lot of additional info about the transpotaon/travels of many Westall from Pier 21. You may wish to add some of this info to your geaneaology database. If you have any information on Alice Westall (EGW's 1st wife from St Lucia) receiving that would be appreciated. Thomas Joyce Waterloo, Ont., Canada

Hi, Over the last week or so I have been on Facebook communication with John Westall of WA, Australia. Tonight I called john and had a very pleasant conversation with him. John had given me some basic information about his family and I had found out much more of his origins in Wiltshire, England. I am working on it a little more and I will send him info on his family. This is most rewarding to me as I, like John, knew very little of my family until someone helped me. I hope to make more progress on our family in Australia. Bob Westall E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14450 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Hi Bob, No sorry mate my brother Anthony was born in 1948, I'm still trying to get more info Cheers Ian -----Original Message----- From: westall-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:westall-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bob Westall Sent: Monday, 15 February 2010 5:59 AM To: westall@rootsweb.com Subject: [WESTALL] Brian Westall Hi all, Does Brian Westall born ca. 1949 in Lambeth, sound at all familiar to anyone? Bob E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14350 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, Does Brian Westall born ca. 1949 in Lambeth, sound at all familiar to anyone? Bob E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14350 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Hi, Lately, I have been looking into www.Facebook.com. There are at least 500 people that are tied to the Westall family. So far I have over 80 friends on Facebook, and several of our members are already on Facebook. They have a http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2369876863 which is a grouping of 59 people that all have ties to the Westall family name in one place. Take a quick look and let us know what you think. We have a new member from Facebook and he is Ian from Australia. Hopefully Ian is just the first of many from Facebook to come to the Westall Mailing List. Bob E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14350 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Id be guessing he is the Wm. from Baydon but .......................... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy Jones" <dee-jay@jones2115.fsnet.co.uk> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [WESTALL] William Westall, Reading, Berkshire > These queries always seem to kick off when I'm out of > contact! > > In Jill Chambers' book concerning the Berkshire Swing Riots, > William WESTALL's age is given as 20; condition single; > occupation gardener & bricklayer. This information appears > to have been extracted from the Prison Hulk details given > under the PRO ref: HO9/9 p42. > > Dorothy > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hmmm - I didn't think so..... I've just ploughed back through my emails and found that one of my correspondents, who owed me a few favours, in 2006 found the baptism of a William WESTALL, base born of a Sarah WESTALL, at Kintbury 29 March 1807. I think he's the most likely candidate as he would have been 20+ at the time of the riots, if he survived, and probably would not have known his exact age. Alternatively, in his own interests, he might have wished to make out he was younger to his prosecutors. However, I can't find evidence that a check was made of the Kintbury Burials Register to establish that this William did not die in infancy, so perhaps some kind soul with access to the Berkshire Burials CD could do the honours? Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Charles" <chris1@bigpond.net.au> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [WESTALL] William Westall, Reading, Berkshire > > Id be guessing he is the Wm. from Baydon but > ..........................