My Mum Elizabeth Joan Westall (86) passed away peacefully at 11:45am yesterday the 20 March 2010. Gone to join Dad in Heaven, miss them both. Ian

I'm thoroughly enjoying 'sleuthing' this one! It seems the 4th Queen's Own Hussars were in India c1896-1905 and South Africa 1905-1909, so I wonder if 'Charles' ever returned to the Northern Hemisphere when his time expired? http://www.qrh.org.uk/history4a.htm So far as his age is concerned, the early November 1915 attestation gives his age 38 plus one-twelfth [not a half], so it would be fair to assume his birth would have been between September and October of some year between 1870 and 1880. It just so happens there was an unnamed male registered in the Sep Quarter of 1872 in Newbury District - a possibility for Ernest Francis? Location of his baptism is a necessity. I can envisage any red-blooded Englishman wanting to show patriotism at the outbreak of WW1 and, for fear of being regarded too old for service, I reckon he'd be inclined to lop a few years off his age - only admitting to his actual age of 43 at discharge when he was too 'crocked' to care ....... It appears he had a drink problem and a rotten memory for someone who practised deception .......... Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Watt" <wattlebee@bigpond.com> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles Westall Middlesex to Australia > > Hi all > > Wow the plot thickens! > > I am thinking on the same lines as Margaret and Fred that > maybe Charles was a naughty boy and changed his name from > Ernest to leave his 'crimes' behind in England. I am now > searching for Ernest on passenger lists just in case he > came as Ernest and changed name upon arrival here in > Australia. He may have even been a stow away - adds more > intrigue to the mystery. > > Fred I like a good mystery too and love being a super > defective!!! > > I would love to know where the details of Ernest's records > are - I did a search on the Old Baileys online but drew a > blank there. > > I'll be back hopefully with a find > cheers > Julie >

Hi all Wow the plot thickens! I am thinking on the same lines as Margaret and Fred that maybe Charles was a naughty boy and changed his name from Ernest to leave his 'crimes' behind in England. I am now searching for Ernest on passenger lists just in case he came as Ernest and changed name upon arrival here in Australia. He may have even been a stow away - adds more intrigue to the mystery. Fred I like a good mystery too and love being a super defective!!! I would love to know where the details of Ernest's records are - I did a search on the Old Baileys online but drew a blank there. I'll be back hopefully with a find cheers Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred Westall To: westall@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles Westall Middlesex to Australia Thanks Margaret. I notice that in several places in the Army Records his address is just given as 'Shaw Crescent' and no number is given. Perhaps the person compiling the record on behalf of Charles made the transcription error or perhaps Charles was just trying to cover his tracks by giving a house number he knew didn't exist! The age he gives in the army record is also inconsistent in places. I'm leaning towards Dorothy's hypothesis that Charles and Ernest Francis are probably one and the same person! I do like a good 'Westall mystery'! Fred -----Original Message----- From: westall-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:westall-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Wilkinson Sent: 17 March 2010 20:19 To: westall@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles Westall Middlesex to Australia Fred, 1911 census definitely gives 32, Shaw Crescent as the address. It was the Army records which gave the number 37. In 1911 census there appears to be no 37, Shaw Crescent, Newbury - the last number given in the Crescent is number 35. Margaret ---------------------------------------- > From: fred_westall@msn.com > To: westall@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 15:20:39 +0000 > Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles Westall Middlesex to Australia > > That's quite a mystery you've got there Julie! I only saw a transcription > of the 1911 census (not the original document) so it is very possible > (probable?) that the actual address was 32 rather than 37 Shaw Crescent as > transcribed. If so, that would definitively place Charles with the family > of James Westall and Edith Head. In both the 1901 and 1911 census there is > a Charles Westall (b.1898 in Cold Ash, Berks) listed as grandson to > James/Edith. There are no clues as to his parentage that I can find. I > can't find any sign of either Ernest Francis Westall or his elder brother > Henry (b.1866, Speen) in the 1911 census. They seem to have vanished by > then! The AIF WW1 records for Charles are quite revealing. Several > different ages are given - including age 43 when he was admitted to hospital > for treatment in 1916. That would give his DOB as 1873 - coincidentally the > year that Ernest Francis Westall was born in Leckhamstead!! If only we had > digital cameras then someone coulss have taken a photograph of his many > tattoos!! > Ears always prick up when 'convicts' and 'Australia' are mentioned in the > same sentence!! > > Fred > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Julie Watt" > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 11:56 PM > To: > Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles Westall Middlesex to Australia > >> Hi Fred, Bob, Dorothy & Christine >> >> Fred & Christine it is great to hear that there is a connection with >> Charles WESTALL and your families - I am related to his children through >> his wife (my great Grandma) - >> Edith Amy WESTALL Born 1918 Died? >> >> Douglas Charles WESTALL Born 1918 Died 3 Aug 1976 >> >> Frank WESTALL Born 28 August 1919 Died 24 Dec 1980 >> >> Henry WESTALL Born 10 Oct 1921 Died 22 June 1923 >> >> Joan Eva WESTALL Born? Died? >> >> Death of a child in 1920 mother ?Ann = Amy (I do believe this child to be >> theirs will get cert when can afford) >> >> 6015/1920 WESTALL Charles W Father Charles Mother Ann Registered PETERSHAM >> NSW >> >> I haven't done much research on finding living descendants of their >> children yet. Next project. >> >> When my Great Grandma married Charles she had 4 children with Great >> Grandad and somehow they ended up in an orphanage for a time. It is hard >> putting together the pieces of the puzzle but there was some animosity as >> a result so it wasn't spoken of around Mum. >> >> Bob, the young Charles in 1911 couldn't be Charles that came to Australia >> but the family appears to fit so I checked on Charles WW1 Army records >> (AIF) he has his father James' address as Shaw St although 37 instead of >> 32. Interesting >> Unfortunately the records in WW1 required an age but not DOB which is a >> pain. I worked out he was born abt 1879 from his marriage cert but going >> by his army records it could have been as early as 1876. >> >> Charles WESTALL in the parish of Islington Middlesex London >> aged 38 1/2 years on 2 Nov 1915 >> Engineer/engine driver >> Father James Westall >> 37 Shaw Crescent near Newbury Berks England >> >> This is the link to a digital copy of those records >> http://naa12.naa.gov.au/Scripts/Imagine.asp?B=8381652&I=1 >> He was in the AIF for a short time & discharged for flat feet & vericose >> veins. >> >> Thank you for your continued input and interest in helping me solve what I >> call the WESTALL mystery. >> Enjoy your day >> Julie >> >> >> >> From: Fred Westall >> To: westall@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 11:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles Westall Middlesex to Australia >> >> >> PS - In the 1911 England Census, James Westall and Edith (nee Head) were >> living at 32 Shaw Crescent, Newbury: >> >> James Westall, Head, age 69, born Boxford, 48 years married, Farm >> labourer. >> Edith Westall, Wife, age 66, born Chievely Berks, Laundress >> Ida Effie Westall, Dau., Single, age 27, born Shefford Berks, Laundress >> Frank Westall, Son, Single, age 24, born Shaw Dean Newbury Berks, General >> Labourer >> Charles, Grandson, age 13, Cold Ash Berks, School. >> >> Julie - could this be your Charles? >> >> Fred >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Tell us your greatest, weirdest and funniest Hotmail stories http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Margaret. I notice that in several places in the Army Records his address is just given as 'Shaw Crescent' and no number is given. Perhaps the person compiling the record on behalf of Charles made the transcription error or perhaps Charles was just trying to cover his tracks by giving a house number he knew didn't exist! The age he gives in the army record is also inconsistent in places. I'm leaning towards Dorothy's hypothesis that Charles and Ernest Francis are probably one and the same person! I do like a good 'Westall mystery'! Fred -----Original Message----- From: westall-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:westall-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Wilkinson Sent: 17 March 2010 20:19 To: westall@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles Westall Middlesex to Australia Fred, 1911 census definitely gives 32, Shaw Crescent as the address. It was the Army records which gave the number 37. In 1911 census there appears to be no 37, Shaw Crescent, Newbury - the last number given in the Crescent is number 35. Margaret ---------------------------------------- > From: fred_westall@msn.com > To: westall@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 15:20:39 +0000 > Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles Westall Middlesex to Australia > > That's quite a mystery you've got there Julie! I only saw a transcription > of the 1911 census (not the original document) so it is very possible > (probable?) that the actual address was 32 rather than 37 Shaw Crescent as > transcribed. If so, that would definitively place Charles with the family > of James Westall and Edith Head. In both the 1901 and 1911 census there is > a Charles Westall (b.1898 in Cold Ash, Berks) listed as grandson to > James/Edith. There are no clues as to his parentage that I can find. I > can't find any sign of either Ernest Francis Westall or his elder brother > Henry (b.1866, Speen) in the 1911 census. They seem to have vanished by > then! The AIF WW1 records for Charles are quite revealing. Several > different ages are given - including age 43 when he was admitted to hospital > for treatment in 1916. That would give his DOB as 1873 - coincidentally the > year that Ernest Francis Westall was born in Leckhamstead!! If only we had > digital cameras then someone coulss have taken a photograph of his many > tattoos!! > Ears always prick up when 'convicts' and 'Australia' are mentioned in the > same sentence!! > > Fred > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Julie Watt" > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 11:56 PM > To: > Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles Westall Middlesex to Australia > >> Hi Fred, Bob, Dorothy & Christine >> >> Fred & Christine it is great to hear that there is a connection with >> Charles WESTALL and your families - I am related to his children through >> his wife (my great Grandma) - >> Edith Amy WESTALL Born 1918 Died? >> >> Douglas Charles WESTALL Born 1918 Died 3 Aug 1976 >> >> Frank WESTALL Born 28 August 1919 Died 24 Dec 1980 >> >> Henry WESTALL Born 10 Oct 1921 Died 22 June 1923 >> >> Joan Eva WESTALL Born? Died? >> >> Death of a child in 1920 mother ?Ann = Amy (I do believe this child to be >> theirs will get cert when can afford) >> >> 6015/1920 WESTALL Charles W Father Charles Mother Ann Registered PETERSHAM >> NSW >> >> I haven't done much research on finding living descendants of their >> children yet. Next project. >> >> When my Great Grandma married Charles she had 4 children with Great >> Grandad and somehow they ended up in an orphanage for a time. It is hard >> putting together the pieces of the puzzle but there was some animosity as >> a result so it wasn't spoken of around Mum. >> >> Bob, the young Charles in 1911 couldn't be Charles that came to Australia >> but the family appears to fit so I checked on Charles WW1 Army records >> (AIF) he has his father James' address as Shaw St although 37 instead of >> 32. Interesting >> Unfortunately the records in WW1 required an age but not DOB which is a >> pain. I worked out he was born abt 1879 from his marriage cert but going >> by his army records it could have been as early as 1876. >> >> Charles WESTALL in the parish of Islington Middlesex London >> aged 38 1/2 years on 2 Nov 1915 >> Engineer/engine driver >> Father James Westall >> 37 Shaw Crescent near Newbury Berks England >> >> This is the link to a digital copy of those records >> http://naa12.naa.gov.au/Scripts/Imagine.asp?B=8381652&I=1 >> He was in the AIF for a short time & discharged for flat feet & vericose >> veins. >> >> Thank you for your continued input and interest in helping me solve what I >> call the WESTALL mystery. >> Enjoy your day >> Julie >> >> >> >> From: Fred Westall >> To: westall@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 11:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles Westall Middlesex to Australia >> >> >> PS - In the 1911 England Census, James Westall and Edith (nee Head) were >> living at 32 Shaw Crescent, Newbury: >> >> James Westall, Head, age 69, born Boxford, 48 years married, Farm >> labourer. >> Edith Westall, Wife, age 66, born Chievely Berks, Laundress >> Ida Effie Westall, Dau., Single, age 27, born Shefford Berks, Laundress >> Frank Westall, Son, Single, age 24, born Shaw Dean Newbury Berks, General >> Labourer >> Charles, Grandson, age 13, Cold Ash Berks, School. >> >> Julie - could this be your Charles? >> >> Fred >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Tell us your greatest, weirdest and funniest Hotmail stories http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Fred, 1911 census definitely gives 32, Shaw Crescent as the address. It was the Army records which gave the number 37. In 1911 census there appears to be no 37, Shaw Crescent, Newbury - the last number given in the Crescent is number 35. Margaret ---------------------------------------- > From: fred_westall@msn.com > To: westall@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 15:20:39 +0000 > Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles Westall Middlesex to Australia > > That's quite a mystery you've got there Julie! I only saw a transcription > of the 1911 census (not the original document) so it is very possible > (probable?) that the actual address was 32 rather than 37 Shaw Crescent as > transcribed. If so, that would definitively place Charles with the family > of James Westall and Edith Head. In both the 1901 and 1911 census there is > a Charles Westall (b.1898 in Cold Ash, Berks) listed as grandson to > James/Edith. There are no clues as to his parentage that I can find. I > can't find any sign of either Ernest Francis Westall or his elder brother > Henry (b.1866, Speen) in the 1911 census. They seem to have vanished by > then! The AIF WW1 records for Charles are quite revealing. Several > different ages are given - including age 43 when he was admitted to hospital > for treatment in 1916. That would give his DOB as 1873 - coincidentally the > year that Ernest Francis Westall was born in Leckhamstead!! If only we had > digital cameras then someone coulss have taken a photograph of his many > tattoos!! > Ears always prick up when 'convicts' and 'Australia' are mentioned in the > same sentence!! > > Fred > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Julie Watt" > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 11:56 PM > To: > Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles Westall Middlesex to Australia > >> Hi Fred, Bob, Dorothy & Christine >> >> Fred & Christine it is great to hear that there is a connection with >> Charles WESTALL and your families - I am related to his children through >> his wife (my great Grandma) - >> Edith Amy WESTALL Born 1918 Died? >> >> Douglas Charles WESTALL Born 1918 Died 3 Aug 1976 >> >> Frank WESTALL Born 28 August 1919 Died 24 Dec 1980 >> >> Henry WESTALL Born 10 Oct 1921 Died 22 June 1923 >> >> Joan Eva WESTALL Born? Died? >> >> Death of a child in 1920 mother ?Ann = Amy (I do believe this child to be >> theirs will get cert when can afford) >> >> 6015/1920 WESTALL Charles W Father Charles Mother Ann Registered PETERSHAM >> NSW >> >> I haven't done much research on finding living descendants of their >> children yet. Next project. >> >> When my Great Grandma married Charles she had 4 children with Great >> Grandad and somehow they ended up in an orphanage for a time. It is hard >> putting together the pieces of the puzzle but there was some animosity as >> a result so it wasn't spoken of around Mum. >> >> Bob, the young Charles in 1911 couldn't be Charles that came to Australia >> but the family appears to fit so I checked on Charles WW1 Army records >> (AIF) he has his father James' address as Shaw St although 37 instead of >> 32. Interesting >> Unfortunately the records in WW1 required an age but not DOB which is a >> pain. I worked out he was born abt 1879 from his marriage cert but going >> by his army records it could have been as early as 1876. >> >> Charles WESTALL in the parish of Islington Middlesex London >> aged 38 1/2 years on 2 Nov 1915 >> Engineer/engine driver >> Father James Westall >> 37 Shaw Crescent near Newbury Berks England >> >> This is the link to a digital copy of those records >> http://naa12.naa.gov.au/Scripts/Imagine.asp?B=8381652&I=1 >> He was in the AIF for a short time & discharged for flat feet & vericose >> veins. >> >> Thank you for your continued input and interest in helping me solve what I >> call the WESTALL mystery. >> Enjoy your day >> Julie >> >> >> >> From: Fred Westall >> To: westall@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 11:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles Westall Middlesex to Australia >> >> >> PS - In the 1911 England Census, James Westall and Edith (nee Head) were >> living at 32 Shaw Crescent, Newbury: >> >> James Westall, Head, age 69, born Boxford, 48 years married, Farm >> labourer. >> Edith Westall, Wife, age 66, born Chievely Berks, Laundress >> Ida Effie Westall, Dau., Single, age 27, born Shefford Berks, Laundress >> Frank Westall, Son, Single, age 24, born Shaw Dean Newbury Berks, General >> Labourer >> Charles, Grandson, age 13, Cold Ash Berks, School. >> >> Julie - could this be your Charles? >> >> Fred >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Tell us your greatest, weirdest and funniest Hotmail stories http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

That's quite a mystery you've got there Julie! I only saw a transcription of the 1911 census (not the original document) so it is very possible (probable?) that the actual address was 32 rather than 37 Shaw Crescent as transcribed. If so, that would definitively place Charles with the family of James Westall and Edith Head. In both the 1901 and 1911 census there is a Charles Westall (b.1898 in Cold Ash, Berks) listed as grandson to James/Edith. There are no clues as to his parentage that I can find. I can't find any sign of either Ernest Francis Westall or his elder brother Henry (b.1866, Speen) in the 1911 census. They seem to have vanished by then! The AIF WW1 records for Charles are quite revealing. Several different ages are given - including age 43 when he was admitted to hospital for treatment in 1916. That would give his DOB as 1873 - coincidentally the year that Ernest Francis Westall was born in Leckhamstead!! If only we had digital cameras then someone coulss have taken a photograph of his many tattoos!! Ears always prick up when 'convicts' and 'Australia' are mentioned in the same sentence!! Fred -------------------------------------------------- From: "Julie Watt" <wattlebee@bigpond.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 11:56 PM To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles Westall Middlesex to Australia > Hi Fred, Bob, Dorothy & Christine > > Fred & Christine it is great to hear that there is a connection with > Charles WESTALL and your families - I am related to his children through > his wife (my great Grandma) - > Edith Amy WESTALL Born 1918 Died? > > Douglas Charles WESTALL Born 1918 Died 3 Aug 1976 > > Frank WESTALL Born 28 August 1919 Died 24 Dec 1980 > > Henry WESTALL Born 10 Oct 1921 Died 22 June 1923 > > Joan Eva WESTALL Born? Died? > > Death of a child in 1920 mother ?Ann = Amy (I do believe this child to be > theirs will get cert when can afford) > > 6015/1920 WESTALL Charles W Father Charles Mother Ann Registered PETERSHAM > NSW > > I haven't done much research on finding living descendants of their > children yet. Next project. > > When my Great Grandma married Charles she had 4 children with Great > Grandad and somehow they ended up in an orphanage for a time. It is hard > putting together the pieces of the puzzle but there was some animosity as > a result so it wasn't spoken of around Mum. > > Bob, the young Charles in 1911 couldn't be Charles that came to Australia > but the family appears to fit so I checked on Charles WW1 Army records > (AIF) he has his father James' address as Shaw St although 37 instead of > 32. Interesting > Unfortunately the records in WW1 required an age but not DOB which is a > pain. I worked out he was born abt 1879 from his marriage cert but going > by his army records it could have been as early as 1876. > > Charles WESTALL in the parish of Islington Middlesex London > aged 38 1/2 years on 2 Nov 1915 > Engineer/engine driver > Father James Westall > 37 Shaw Crescent near Newbury Berks England > > This is the link to a digital copy of those records > http://naa12.naa.gov.au/Scripts/Imagine.asp?B=8381652&I=1 > He was in the AIF for a short time & discharged for flat feet & vericose > veins. > > Thank you for your continued input and interest in helping me solve what I > call the WESTALL mystery. > Enjoy your day > Julie > > > > From: Fred Westall > To: westall@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 11:17 PM > Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles Westall Middlesex to Australia > > > PS - In the 1911 England Census, James Westall and Edith (nee Head) were > living at 32 Shaw Crescent, Newbury: > > James Westall, Head, age 69, born Boxford, 48 years married, Farm > labourer. > Edith Westall, Wife, age 66, born Chievely Berks, Laundress > Ida Effie Westall, Dau., Single, age 27, born Shefford Berks, Laundress > Frank Westall, Son, Single, age 24, born Shaw Dean Newbury Berks, General > Labourer > Charles, Grandson, age 13, Cold Ash Berks, School. > > Julie - could this be your Charles? > > Fred > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Fred, Bob, Dorothy & Christine Fred & Christine it is great to hear that there is a connection with Charles WESTALL and your families - I am related to his children through his wife (my great Grandma) - Edith Amy WESTALL Born 1918 Died? Douglas Charles WESTALL Born 1918 Died 3 Aug 1976 Frank WESTALL Born 28 August 1919 Died 24 Dec 1980 Henry WESTALL Born 10 Oct 1921 Died 22 June 1923 Joan Eva WESTALL Born? Died? Death of a child in 1920 mother ?Ann = Amy (I do believe this child to be theirs will get cert when can afford) 6015/1920 WESTALL Charles W Father Charles Mother Ann Registered PETERSHAM NSW I haven't done much research on finding living descendants of their children yet. Next project. When my Great Grandma married Charles she had 4 children with Great Grandad and somehow they ended up in an orphanage for a time. It is hard putting together the pieces of the puzzle but there was some animosity as a result so it wasn't spoken of around Mum. Bob, the young Charles in 1911 couldn't be Charles that came to Australia but the family appears to fit so I checked on Charles WW1 Army records (AIF) he has his father James' address as Shaw St although 37 instead of 32. Interesting Unfortunately the records in WW1 required an age but not DOB which is a pain. I worked out he was born abt 1879 from his marriage cert but going by his army records it could have been as early as 1876. Charles WESTALL in the parish of Islington Middlesex London aged 38 1/2 years on 2 Nov 1915 Engineer/engine driver Father James Westall 37 Shaw Crescent near Newbury Berks England This is the link to a digital copy of those records http://naa12.naa.gov.au/Scripts/Imagine.asp?B=8381652&I=1 He was in the AIF for a short time & discharged for flat feet & vericose veins. Thank you for your continued input and interest in helping me solve what I call the WESTALL mystery. Enjoy your day Julie From: Fred Westall To: westall@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 11:17 PM Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles Westall Middlesex to Australia PS - In the 1911 England Census, James Westall and Edith (nee Head) were living at 32 Shaw Crescent, Newbury: James Westall, Head, age 69, born Boxford, 48 years married, Farm labourer. Edith Westall, Wife, age 66, born Chievely Berks, Laundress Ida Effie Westall, Dau., Single, age 27, born Shefford Berks, Laundress Frank Westall, Son, Single, age 24, born Shaw Dean Newbury Berks, General Labourer Charles, Grandson, age 13, Cold Ash Berks, School. Julie - could this be your Charles? Fred ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi folks Could 'Charles' have been the identity adopted by Ernest Francis after the notoriety of his 5-year prison sentence for Felony - Larceny of the person - handed down at Newbury Boro in October 1889? Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Watt" <wattlebee@bigpond.com> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 11:56 PM Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles Westall Middlesex to Australia > > Hi Fred, Bob, Dorothy & Christine > > Fred & Christine it is great to hear that there is a > connection with Charles WESTALL and your families - I am > related to his children through his wife (my great > Grandma) - > Edith Amy WESTALL Born 1918 Died? > > Douglas Charles WESTALL Born 1918 Died 3 Aug 1976 > > Frank WESTALL Born 28 August 1919 Died 24 Dec 1980 > > Henry WESTALL Born 10 Oct 1921 Died 22 June 1923 > > Joan Eva WESTALL Born? Died? > > Death of a child in 1920 mother ?Ann = Amy (I do believe > this child to be theirs will get cert when can afford) > > 6015/1920 WESTALL Charles W Father Charles Mother Ann > Registered PETERSHAM NSW > > I haven't done much research on finding living descendants > of their children yet. Next project. > > When my Great Grandma married Charles she had 4 children > with Great Grandad and somehow they ended up in an > orphanage for a time. It is hard putting together the > pieces of the puzzle but there was some animosity as a > result so it wasn't spoken of around Mum. > > Bob, the young Charles in 1911 couldn't be Charles that > came to Australia but the family appears to fit so I > checked on Charles WW1 Army records (AIF) he has his > father James' address as Shaw St although 37 instead of > 32. Interesting > Unfortunately the records in WW1 required an age but not > DOB which is a pain. I worked out he was born abt 1879 > from his marriage cert but going by his army records it > could have been as early as 1876. > > Charles WESTALL in the parish of Islington Middlesex > London > aged 38 1/2 years on 2 Nov 1915 > Engineer/engine driver > Father James Westall > 37 Shaw Crescent near Newbury Berks England > > This is the link to a digital copy of those records > http://naa12.naa.gov.au/Scripts/Imagine.asp?B=8381652&I=1 > He was in the AIF for a short time & discharged for flat > feet & vericose veins. > > Thank you for your continued input and interest in helping > me solve what I call the WESTALL mystery. > Enjoy your day > Julie

Dorothy, That may not be to much of a stretch as the 1881 Census gave his age a 8 years? Bob -----Original Message----- From: westall-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:westall-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dorothy Jones Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 6:28 AM To: Julie Watt; westall@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles Westall Middlesex to Australia Hi folks Could 'Charles' have been the identity adopted by Ernest Francis after the notoriety of his 5-year prison sentence for Felony - Larceny of the person - handed down at Newbury Boro in October 1889? Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Watt" <wattlebee@bigpond.com> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 11:56 PM Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles Westall Middlesex to Australia > > Hi Fred, Bob, Dorothy & Christine > > Fred & Christine it is great to hear that there is a > connection with Charles WESTALL and your families - I am > related to his children through his wife (my great > Grandma) - > Edith Amy WESTALL Born 1918 Died? > > Douglas Charles WESTALL Born 1918 Died 3 Aug 1976 > > Frank WESTALL Born 28 August 1919 Died 24 Dec 1980 > > Henry WESTALL Born 10 Oct 1921 Died 22 June 1923 > > Joan Eva WESTALL Born? Died? > > Death of a child in 1920 mother ?Ann = Amy (I do believe > this child to be theirs will get cert when can afford) > > 6015/1920 WESTALL Charles W Father Charles Mother Ann > Registered PETERSHAM NSW > > I haven't done much research on finding living descendants > of their children yet. Next project. > > When my Great Grandma married Charles she had 4 children > with Great Grandad and somehow they ended up in an > orphanage for a time. It is hard putting together the > pieces of the puzzle but there was some animosity as a > result so it wasn't spoken of around Mum. > > Bob, the young Charles in 1911 couldn't be Charles that > came to Australia but the family appears to fit so I > checked on Charles WW1 Army records (AIF) he has his > father James' address as Shaw St although 37 instead of > 32. Interesting > Unfortunately the records in WW1 required an age but not > DOB which is a pain. I worked out he was born abt 1879 > from his marriage cert but going by his army records it > could have been as early as 1876. > > Charles WESTALL in the parish of Islington Middlesex > London > aged 38 1/2 years on 2 Nov 1915 > Engineer/engine driver > Father James Westall > 37 Shaw Crescent near Newbury Berks England > > This is the link to a digital copy of those records > http://naa12.naa.gov.au/Scripts/Imagine.asp?B=8381652&I=1 > He was in the AIF for a short time & discharged for flat > feet & vericose veins. > > Thank you for your continued input and interest in helping > me solve what I call the WESTALL mystery. > Enjoy your day > Julie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14570 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14570 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Hi Christine My GGGrandfather was John Appleford Westall via his daughter Sarah who married Thomas Newman. I think we have met before! Made any startling discoveries since then? Regards Eileen.

Ties in with mine as well Your cousin Christine in Melbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Westall" <fred_westall@msn.com> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles Westall Middlesex to Australia > Hi > I must have blinked as I missed most of this correspondence! I think Bob > and Dorothy have covered all the bases very well. For what it's worth I > have > James Westall (1841, Boxford), who married Edith Head, as my 4th cousin x4 > removed. I have his parents as Wm Westaall and Mariah Dobson. His > grandfather was John Appleford Westall and Elizabeth Lewington, etc etc. > All my other information ties up with yours .. cousin!! > Hope this helps. > Regards, > Fred > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Julie Watt" <wattlebee@bigpond.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 10:20 AM > To: "Dorothy Jones" <dee-jay@jones2115.fsnet.co.uk>; > <westall@rootsweb.com>; > <bobatbmw@cox.net> > Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles Westall Middlesex to Australia > >> Hi Dorothy and Bob >> >> Thank you very much for your help with the Westall family - I obtained >> the >> surname ALLEN from the New South Wales marriage certificate of Charles >> and >> my Great Grandma Alma Constance Kershaw. However the name that Alma put >> down for herself was Amy Miller born in England and she entered her >> parents firstnames correctly but she used Miller her married name as the >> surname of her parents James Kershaw and Mary Ann March. Obviously this >> was a red herring to conceal her identity seeing as she was still married >> to my Great Grandad Anthony Jacob Miller. >> >> It is all interesting because I have found this death entry on Queensland >> BDM that may be Charles >> 1944/3984 Charles Westall Father James Mother Edith Head >> It very well could be him as the mothers name is listed as Edith HEAD >> >> Now that Dorothy has found Edith's surname as HEAD I wouldn't be >> surprised >> if Charles also sent out a red herring too in his details on the marriage >> certificate and used ALLEN as his mother's surname. I have proven that >> the >> marriage certificate is theirs so I know for sure that the information it >> contained was not entirely correct. >> I don't know what would have taken him from near Sydney up to QLD but >> there is/are no other Charles Westall's that could be him. I wonder if he >> remarried? >> >> I appreciate the census details Bob I am still digesting the info they >> contain and am also grateful to Dorothy for the marriage details for >> James >> and Edith - >> >> cheers for now >> Julie >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Dorothy and Bob Thank you very much for your help with the Westall family - I obtained the surname ALLEN from the New South Wales marriage certificate of Charles and my Great Grandma Alma Constance Kershaw. However the name that Alma put down for herself was Amy Miller born in England and she entered her parents firstnames correctly but she used Miller her married name as the surname of her parents James Kershaw and Mary Ann March. Obviously this was a red herring to conceal her identity seeing as she was still married to my Great Grandad Anthony Jacob Miller. It is all interesting because I have found this death entry on Queensland BDM that may be Charles 1944/3984 Charles Westall Father James Mother Edith Head It very well could be him as the mothers name is listed as Edith HEAD Now that Dorothy has found Edith's surname as HEAD I wouldn't be surprised if Charles also sent out a red herring too in his details on the marriage certificate and used ALLEN as his mother's surname. I have proven that the marriage certificate is theirs so I know for sure that the information it contained was not entirely correct. I don't know what would have taken him from near Sydney up to QLD but there is/are no other Charles Westall's that could be him. I wonder if he remarried? I appreciate the census details Bob I am still digesting the info they contain and am also grateful to Dorothy for the marriage details for James and Edith - cheers for now Julie

Bob, According to my records John Appleford Westall and Elizabeth Lewington had two sons named William: 1. bap 27 Nov 1789, Ramsbury, d. bef 1799 and 2. bap. 12 May 1799, Ramsbury m. Mariah Dobson 18 Jun 1821, Ramsbury. He was the father of James Westall b.1841 in Boxford. I think Boxford (Berkshire) is quite near Ramsbury, which in turn is near Marlborough in Wiltshire. Fred > Fred, > > As always you have come to our rescue. I have John Appleford Westall and > Elizabeth Lewington and their children. I have a William Westall baptized > 29 Nov 1789 in Ramsbury but no wife? Could that be the father of James > Westall b 1842 in Boxford? Is Boxford not in Berkshire? SOS! > > Bob

Fred, As always you have come to our rescue. I have John Appleford Westall and Elizabeth Lewington and their children. I have a William Westall baptized 29 Nov 1789 in Ramsbury but no wife? Could that be the father of James Westall b 1842 in Boxford? Is Boxford not in Berkshire? SOS! Bob -----Original Message----- From: westall-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:westall-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fred Westall Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 6:44 AM To: westall@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles Westall Middlesex to Australia Hi I must have blinked as I missed most of this correspondence! I think Bob and Dorothy have covered all the bases very well. For what it's worth I have James Westall (1841, Boxford), who married Edith Head, as my 4th cousin x4 removed. I have his parents as Wm Westaall and Mariah Dobson. His grandfather was John Appleford Westall and Elizabeth Lewington, etc etc. All my other information ties up with yours .. cousin!! Hope this helps. Regards, Fred -------------------------------------------------- From: "Julie Watt" <wattlebee@bigpond.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 10:20 AM To: "Dorothy Jones" <dee-jay@jones2115.fsnet.co.uk>; <westall@rootsweb.com>; <bobatbmw@cox.net> Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles Westall Middlesex to Australia > Hi Dorothy and Bob > > Thank you very much for your help with the Westall family - I obtained the > surname ALLEN from the New South Wales marriage certificate of Charles and > my Great Grandma Alma Constance Kershaw. However the name that Alma put > down for herself was Amy Miller born in England and she entered her > parents firstnames correctly but she used Miller her married name as the > surname of her parents James Kershaw and Mary Ann March. Obviously this > was a red herring to conceal her identity seeing as she was still married > to my Great Grandad Anthony Jacob Miller. > > It is all interesting because I have found this death entry on Queensland > BDM that may be Charles > 1944/3984 Charles Westall Father James Mother Edith Head > It very well could be him as the mothers name is listed as Edith HEAD > > Now that Dorothy has found Edith's surname as HEAD I wouldn't be surprised > if Charles also sent out a red herring too in his details on the marriage > certificate and used ALLEN as his mother's surname. I have proven that the > marriage certificate is theirs so I know for sure that the information it > contained was not entirely correct. > I don't know what would have taken him from near Sydney up to QLD but > there is/are no other Charles Westall's that could be him. I wonder if he > remarried? > > I appreciate the census details Bob I am still digesting the info they > contain and am also grateful to Dorothy for the marriage details for James > and Edith - > > cheers for now > Julie > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14570 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14570 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

PS - In the 1911 England Census, James Westall and Edith (nee Head) were living at 32 Shaw Crescent, Newbury: James Westall, Head, age 69, born Boxford, 48 years married, Farm labourer. Edith Westall, Wife, age 66, born Chievely Berks, Laundress Ida Effie Westall, Dau., Single, age 27, born Shefford Berks, Laundress Frank Westall, Son, Single, age 24, born Shaw Dean Newbury Berks, General Labourer Charles, Grandson, age 13, Cold Ash Berks, School. Julie - could this be your Charles? Fred

Hi I must have blinked as I missed most of this correspondence! I think Bob and Dorothy have covered all the bases very well. For what it's worth I have James Westall (1841, Boxford), who married Edith Head, as my 4th cousin x4 removed. I have his parents as Wm Westaall and Mariah Dobson. His grandfather was John Appleford Westall and Elizabeth Lewington, etc etc. All my other information ties up with yours .. cousin!! Hope this helps. Regards, Fred -------------------------------------------------- From: "Julie Watt" <wattlebee@bigpond.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 10:20 AM To: "Dorothy Jones" <dee-jay@jones2115.fsnet.co.uk>; <westall@rootsweb.com>; <bobatbmw@cox.net> Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles Westall Middlesex to Australia > Hi Dorothy and Bob > > Thank you very much for your help with the Westall family - I obtained the > surname ALLEN from the New South Wales marriage certificate of Charles and > my Great Grandma Alma Constance Kershaw. However the name that Alma put > down for herself was Amy Miller born in England and she entered her > parents firstnames correctly but she used Miller her married name as the > surname of her parents James Kershaw and Mary Ann March. Obviously this > was a red herring to conceal her identity seeing as she was still married > to my Great Grandad Anthony Jacob Miller. > > It is all interesting because I have found this death entry on Queensland > BDM that may be Charles > 1944/3984 Charles Westall Father James Mother Edith Head > It very well could be him as the mothers name is listed as Edith HEAD > > Now that Dorothy has found Edith's surname as HEAD I wouldn't be surprised > if Charles also sent out a red herring too in his details on the marriage > certificate and used ALLEN as his mother's surname. I have proven that the > marriage certificate is theirs so I know for sure that the information it > contained was not entirely correct. > I don't know what would have taken him from near Sydney up to QLD but > there is/are no other Charles Westall's that could be him. I wonder if he > remarried? > > I appreciate the census details Bob I am still digesting the info they > contain and am also grateful to Dorothy for the marriage details for James > and Edith - > > cheers for now > Julie > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Julie I discovered there was a grandson Charles in the household in 1901 aged 3 ......... Any idea of the age of the supposed 'Charles' who died 1944? Would a UK criminal conviction have been sufficient incentive to change a name and personal details for entry down under in the 20th Century? Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: Julie Watt To: Dorothy Jones ; westall@rootsweb.com ; bobatbmw@cox.net Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles Westall Middlesex to Australia Hi Dorothy and Bob Thank you very much for your help with the Westall family - I obtained the surname ALLEN from the New South Wales marriage certificate of Charles and my Great Grandma Alma Constance Kershaw. However the name that Alma put down for herself was Amy Miller born in England and she entered her parents firstnames correctly but she used Miller her married name as the surname of her parents James Kershaw and Mary Ann March. Obviously this was a red herring to conceal her identity seeing as she was still married to my Great Grandad Anthony Jacob Miller. It is all interesting because I have found this death entry on Queensland BDM that may be Charles 1944/3984 Charles Westall Father James Mother Edith Head It very well could be him as the mothers name is listed as Edith HEAD Now that Dorothy has found Edith's surname as HEAD I wouldn't be surprised if Charles also sent out a red herring too in his details on the marriage certificate and used ALLEN as his mother's surname. I have proven that the marriage certificate is theirs so I know for sure that the information it contained was not entirely correct. I don't know what would have taken him from near Sydney up to QLD but there is/are no other Charles Westall's that could be him. I wonder if he remarried? I appreciate the census details Bob I am still digesting the info they contain and am also grateful to Dorothy for the marriage details for James and Edith - cheers for now Julie

Hi everyone I come from a land downunder and have been trying to find what happened to Charles WESTALL son of James and Edith nee ALLEN. I have managed to find his siblings (listed below) I do not know when he came to Australia and when and where he died. He married my Great Grandma Alma Constance nee Kershaw while she was still married to my Great Grandad (she married as Amy Miller born in England) - [just after Great Grandad arrived home from WW1 - they divorced in 1923] Charles and Amy (Alma) had 5 children of which I have info on and possibly another who died in infancy. In latter years Alma (Amy) was with her first hubby (my Great Grandad) I haven't found anything to suggest the whereabouts of Charles WESTALL after 1931 where he is listed in the Electoral roll in Martin NSW living with Amy (Alma). I would be interested in knowing some more about his ancestry in England too If anyone has any ideas as to what happened to Charles post 1931 or know anything about his family history I would love to hear from you. Thanks in advance Kind regards Julie 1. James WESTALL (b.Abt 1953-Middlesex,England) sp: Edith ALLEN (b.Abt 1857-Middlesex,England) 2. Charles WESTALL (b.1879-Middlesex,England) sp: Alma Constance KERSHAW aka Amy Miller (b.22 Mar 1882-Queanbeyan, N, Australia; m.2 Aug 1918; d.7 Jan 1948-NSW, Australia) 2. Henry WESTALL (b.1866) 2. Jessie WESTALL 2. Agnes WESTALL 2. Ernest F WESTALL 2. Florence WESTALL 2. Ada E WESTALL Faith and fear cannot coexist. Faith causes action; fear inaction. Believing we can allows us to survive the most rigorous of circumstances.

Julie, Your family appears to be in the 1891 Census. It is now living in Cold Ash, Thatcham, Berkshire, and now have two more children Bertie age 7 and Frank age 4. Still no sight of Charles. 1891 England Census Name: James Westall Age: 50 Estimated birth year: abt 1841 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Edith Gender: Male Where born: Boxford, Berkshire, England Civil parish: Thatcham Ecclesiastical parish: Cold Ash St Marks Town: Cold Ash County/Island: Berkshire Country: England Street Address: 56 Shawfields Occupation: Agricultural Laborer Condition as to marriage: Married Registration district: Newbury Sub-registration district: Thatcham ED, institution, or vessel: 8 James Westall Head..M..50..Ag Lab..Boxford, Berks Edith Westall Wife..M..47..........Hill Green, Berks Florence Westall Dau...S..14..........Boxford, Berks Ida Effy Westall Dau...S..10..Scholar..Thefford, Berks Bertie Westall Dau...S...7..Scholar..Winterbourne, Berks Frank Westall Son...S...4..Scholar..Shaw, Berks Ernest F. may have also been found in the 1891 Census 1891 England Census Ernest F. Westall Age: 20 Estimated birth year: abt 1871 Relation: Convict (Prisoner) Gender: Male Where born: Leckhampstead, Berkshire, England Civil parish: Portsea Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: Portsea County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Single Registration district: Portsea Island Sub-registration district: Portsea Town ED, institution, or vessel: Her Majestys Convict Prison (Portsmouth) Ernest F. Westall Convict..S..20..Farm Laborer..Leckhampstead, Berkshire I am not sure at all that this is the correct family even though the children match very well and the parents names are correct? Bob -----Original Message----- From: westall-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:westall-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Julie Watt Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 3:45 PM To: westall@rootsweb.com Subject: [WESTALL] Charles Westall Middlesex to Australia Hi everyone I come from a land downunder and have been trying to find what happened to Charles WESTALL son of James and Edith nee ALLEN. I have managed to find his siblings (listed below) I do not know when he came to Australia and when and where he died. He married my Great Grandma Alma Constance nee Kershaw while she was still married to my Great Grandad (she married as Amy Miller born in England) - [just after Great Grandad arrived home from WW1 - they divorced in 1923] Charles and Amy (Alma) had 5 children of which I have info on and possibly another who died in infancy. In latter years Alma (Amy) was with her first hubby (my Great Grandad) I haven't found anything to suggest the whereabouts of Charles WESTALL after 1931 where he is listed in the Electoral roll in Martin NSW living with Amy (Alma). I would be interested in knowing some more about his ancestry in England too If anyone has any ideas as to what happened to Charles post 1931 or know anything about his family history I would love to hear from you. Thanks in advance Kind regards Julie -antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14570 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

The more likely parentage for this family group is: FreeBMD Marriage 4Q 1863 James WESTHALL / Edith HEAD Newbury 2c 513 Some kind soul has found that marriage at Winterbourne, Berkshire on 13 Oct 1863. Bride aged 18 and groom 22, son of William WESTHALL.. Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Westall" <bobatbmw@cox.net> To: "'Julie Watt'" <wattlebee@bigpond.com>; <westall@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 2:15 AM Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Charles Westall Middlesex to Australia > > Julie, > > I have tried to find your family and have come up with > what appears to be an > almost perfect match for the children etc? The fly in the > ointment is that > they were all born in Berkshire from 1866 to 1879 and no > Charles as of the > 1881 Census. > > After a short look see in the 1891 Census they were not to > be found? It > would also appear that James was b in 1842 and Edith > Westall nee Allen was b > in 1845, both in Berkshire? > > Bob > > 1881 England Census > > Name: James Westall > Age: 39 > Estimated birth year: abt 1842 > Relation: Head > Spouse's name: Edith > Gender: Male > Where born: Boxford, Berkshire, England > Civil parish: Thatcham > County/Island: Berkshire > Country: England > Street Address: 91 Little Henwick > Condition as to marriage: Married > Occupation: Ag Labourer > Registration district: Newbury > Sub-registration district: Thatcham > ED, institution, or vessel: 6 > > James Westall Head..M..39..Ag Laborer..Berks, > Boxford > Edith Westall Wife..M..36..............Berks, > Chieveley > Henry Westall Son...S..15..Ag Laborer..Berks, > Speen > Jessie Westall Dau..S...13..Scholar.....Berks, > Leckhamstead > Agnes Westall Dau..S...11..Scholar.....Berks, > Leckhamstead > Ernest F. Westall Son..S....8..Scholar.....Berks, > Leckhamstead > Florence Westall Dau...S...6..Scholar.....Berks, > Boxford > Ada E. Westall Dau....S..2..............Berks, > Shefford