Hi everyone, I have found on the 1911 Census one of my NAYLOR family - Maud NAYLOR born 1885 (daughter of Vaniah and Elizabeth NAYLOR) married Fred BUSSINGHAM in 1903. On the 1911 Census transcription they are listed with two sons - Fred BUSSINGHAM 28 Coal Miner Hewer, Maud 25 and their two children Vaniah age 5 yrs and Harry age 3 yrs - I then checked the image of the census and found that Maud & Fred had three children listed Amy 7, Vaniah 5 and Harry 3, but, a red line had been put through all the details relating to Amy, I then assumed that Amy had died so is not listed on the transcript - on checking freebmd for a death of Amy I did not find one but I found a death for Vaniah Naylor BUSSINGHAM aged 1, so no death for Amy pre 1911 - also on the census image the number of males and females has been changed (red ink) to 3 males and 1 female and 4 persons living in the home. To me this census is incorrect as I doubt that there would be two Vaniah Naylor BUSSINGHAMS who were born and died in the same time period. I would like to change the information on the transcript, but, how do I do it as the census transcript and image are both incorrect. All the above is in the Barnsley registration district. Any advice appreciated, happy hunting Annette WATSON Lismore Australia

Annette, You won't be able to have the transcript changed: it must remain the transcription of the image. If the image is wrong, that's a problem, but it happens. You certainly can't change the image! An Amy Bussingham was born in Barnsley Q3 1903 and Vaniah Naylor Bussingham in Q4 1905. Vaniah Naylor Bussingham b about 1906 died in Q2 1907. I wonder if the enumerator simply drew a line through the wrong name? An Amy Bussingham married Norris Womersely in 1923, this might be your Amy who didn't die. Good luck! Maggie -----Original Message----- From: Annette Watson <annete@aapt.net.au> To: west-riding <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 3:31 Subject: [WRY] 1911 Census problem - NAYLOR/BUSSINGHAM Hi everyone, I have found on the 1911 Census one of my NAYLOR family - Maud NAYLOR born 1885 (daughter of Vaniah and Elizabeth NAYLOR) married Fred BUSSINGHAM in 1903. On the 1911 Census transcription they are listed with two sons - Fred BUSSINGHAM 28 Coal Miner Hewer, Maud 25 and their two children Vaniah age 5 yrs and Harry age 3 yrs - I then checked the image of the census and found that Maud & Fred had three children listed Amy 7, Vaniah 5 and Harry 3, but, a red line had been put through all the details relating to Amy, I then assumed that Amy had died so is not listed on the transcript - on checking freebmd for a death of Amy I did not find one but I found a death for Vaniah Naylor BUSSINGHAM aged 1, so no death for Amy pre 1911 - also on the census image the number of males and females has been changed (red ink) to 3 males and 1 female and 4 persons living in the home. To me this census is incorrect as I doubt that there would be two Vaniah Naylor BUSSINGHAMS who were born and died in the same time period. I would like to change the information on the transcript, but, how do I do it as the census transcript and image are both incorrect. All the above is in the Barnsley registration district. Any advice appreciated, happy hunting Annette WATSON Lismore Australia Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree with Maggie you certainly can't get the image changed, that mistake was made 100 years ago and has to stand regardless of what we find today to prove otherwise. I would have thought that as findmypast have missed off a name, albeit crossed through in red pencil, from the schedule they should have included it in the transcription of that entry. I always thought that the general rule on transcribing is to copy down what you see on the page and not to make assumptions. If a name appears on the original then you should copy it down, perhaps with putting some sort of indication that something was not right with that name and details. Ancestry have Amy and Vaniah both shown in their transcription of the entry. I think this is correct because both names appear on the image. You can't make assumptions about these things when transcribing, if a name etc, appears on the original then you transcribe it, but you do not assume and leave things out. Even though Amy's name is crossed through you should include it in your transcript simply because it appears on the original. I think that if Annette told findmypast of this error, pointing out that it was Vaniah that died and not Amy, though the error was made back in 1911. Findmypast might add Amy's name to the transcript, leaving Vaniah there to for researchers to made their own minds up about it. I don't see why findmypast can't add her name to the transcript of the household. Some years ago I got the surname DeAngelis added correctly on that site when I found the name mis-transcribed as Tangelo in the 1871 census. Now Antionio T DeAngelis has an * beside the initial letter T* of his name, though he didn't have a middle name T at all I don't know where that initial letter came from. The image is very very faded and hard to make out and I only found it by looking for the child of Antonio born in Australia but living in Middlesex. Find my past will make corrections etc., to their transcriptions if you point out these things to them and explain your reasons. Maybe they can add Amy Bussingham's name with an * to draw people's attention to her entry in 1911. You can contact findmypast by the link contact us at the bottom of the home page, there you can post a question to them. I think it was just the case that Fred Bussingham, or whoever else might have filled out the schedule on his behalf, didn't understand that when listing the family members they had to leave out the names of children who had died prior to the census. After all the number of children born to Fred and Maud Bussingham had to be noted, 3 children born 2 living 1 died, so maybe the person doing the filling out of the schedule got confused and put down the names of all 3 three of those children. The enumerator might then have taken the schedule away without realising that a dead child's name had been included on it. When going through the schedule later on to do his calculations he might have seen the error and just crossed through the first child's name, instead of going back to the house and querying it with the parents. Then he would calculate the number of males and females at the bottom of the schedule. He would never have dreamt that anyone 100 years later would be looking at that entry. Who was going to know that he had just selected one of the children to mark as the dead one by crossing through a name. He knew that one of those 3 children had died but didn't know which one so just selected Amy? Who was going back to the house to check if he didn't do so himself? I can't think how else the mistake happened, the parents would know which of their children had died and would not have made the error of saying it was Amy that had died. It had to be the enumerator who assumed it was Amy I believe. Regards Jenny DeAngelis <<You won't be able to have the transcript changed: it must remain the transcription of the image. If the image is wrong, that's a problem, but it happens. You certainly can't change the image!>>

Hi Annette Whose transcriptions Ancestry? Findmypast? Freecen? Dorothy -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Annette Watson Sent: Saturday, 24 March 2012 4:31 p.m. To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Subject: [WRY] 1911 Census problem - NAYLOR/BUSSINGHAM Hi everyone, I have found on the 1911 Census one of my NAYLOR family - Maud NAYLOR born 1885 (daughter of Vaniah and Elizabeth NAYLOR) married Fred BUSSINGHAM in 1903. On the 1911 Census transcription they are listed with two sons - Fred BUSSINGHAM 28 Coal Miner Hewer, Maud 25 and their two children Vaniah age 5 yrs and Harry age 3 yrs - I then checked the image of the census and found that Maud & Fred had three children listed Amy 7, Vaniah 5 and Harry 3, but, a red line had been put through all the details relating to Amy, I then assumed that Amy had died so is not listed on the transcript - on checking freebmd for a death of Amy I did not find one but I found a death for Vaniah Naylor BUSSINGHAM aged 1, so no death for Amy pre 1911 - also on the census image the number of males and females has been changed (red ink) to 3 males and 1 female and 4 persons living in the home. To me this census is incorrect as I doubt that there would be two Vaniah Naylor BUSSINGHAMS who were born and died in the same time period. I would like to change the information on the transcript, but, how do I do it as the census transcript and image are both incorrect. All the above is in the Barnsley registration district. Any advice appreciated, happy hunting Annette WATSON Lismore Australia Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message