Good evening, with regards to the marriage of my 2x great uncle William Hargreaves, Elaine i shall have a look thank you. Denise, just seconds before i read your email i was checking out every sarah annie born in the whole of england and guess what, one matched perfect! Sarah Annie Smith born Tetbury :) so the one that leeds said did not match is mine, Williams father must have been incorrect or our Richard had another name he never used. So now i need to get back to Leeds and see if they actually hold the record or whether it is Sheffield. Very odd for a man who was always known to be born Sowerby Bridge, and is stated as so on every census was not. Anne Ben so kindly just located him to be born Wakefield? Very odd, and if the marriage is Leeds Wortley that too is wierd. I guess he could have moved about for work. William was an engineer. Sheffield would be a possibility. I guess i shall find out when i get that cert. Im just going to take a chance on it now that i am more sure than before. Thank you everyone who has helped and given ideas :) Kind regards Louise Wortley