The Joshua Batty in Wakefield prison is probably the one who was tried for stealing a duck worth 1 shilling from a George Jubb in 1850. Don't have the actual date. He got seven years transportation so would more than likely still be in Wakefield prison at the census in 1851. This being the case I don't see him able to marry anybody in this country in 1854. Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Corner" <acorner@shaw.ca> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 2, Issue 388 > Hi, > > I'm not sure if I understand your mystery. Could you possibly just reword > the gist of it for me so I know I've 'got it'? > > How do you know the Joshua Batty in the Wakefield prison is the correct > Joshua Batty? There are several born about the same time showing up in > the > census records. Did you get a father's name from the marriage > certificate. > > Are you thinking that the Shepherd family changed their name unofficially > or > that there was a typographical error or that someone was hiding a crime or > just 'adopted' children so they didn't find out about 'dad'.?? > > Ann > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <west-riding-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 12:02 AM > Subject: WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 2, Issue 388 > > >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. WHO WAS GEORGE SHEPHARD? (Carolyn Wilson) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:40:29 +1100 >> From: "Carolyn Wilson" <dazwilson@bigpond.com> >> Subject: [WRY] WHO WAS GEORGE SHEPHARD? >> To: <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> >> Cc: west-riding@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <008901c83861$62d887c0$0300000a@acer86e9bf2e61> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=response >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> Hi, All, >>>>> >>>>> I wonder whether anyone could help me with a mystery / brickwall, >>>>> please >>>>> ? >>>>> I shall try to make it as brief as possible (!) >>>>> >>>>> A Joshua BATTY married a Charlotte SHEPHERD in Sheffield, YKS on 17 >>>>> Apr, >>>>> 1854. (Certificate in my possession.) >>>>> They had 2 children born in England - Hannah Elizabeth on 11 Mar, >>>>> 1855, >>>>> YKS and Sarah Ann on 15 Jul, 1857, YKS. (Certificates ditto.) >>>>> >>>>> Joshua's occupation in the 1851 Census was Ag Labourer and he was a >>>>> prisoner in Wakefield. >>>>> >>>>> Then he and Charlotte and the 2 girls arrived in Melbourne on the >>>>> "Northern Bride" in Jun, 1858, along with other members of the BATTY >>>>> family (spelt BATTYE on ship's record). >>>>> >>>>> There are 6 baptisms for children at the Presbyterian Church in >>>>> Carcoar, >>>>> N.S.W. >>>>> >>>>> - Sarah Ann b. 15 Jul, 1857, bapt 6 Jan, 1863 (b. Sheffield to Joshua >>>>> BATTY, Farmer and Charlotte (SHEPHERD.) >>>>> - Mary Jane b. 3 Jun, 1859 (Aus), bpt 6 Jan, 1863. Joshua's birthplace >>>>> is >>>>> Sheffield and mother is Charlotte. >>>>> - Eliza b. 9 May, 1866, bpt 6 Jun, 1868. Joshua is Labourer, >>>>> Summerhill >>>>> and mother is Charlotte. >>>>> - Martha b. 28 Jul, 1864, bpt 6 Apr, 1868. same parents and details as >>>>> above. >>>>> - David b. 20 Sep, 1868, bpt 13 Apr, 1869. Joshua is now "Farmer, >>>>> Summerhill, mother is Charlotte (SHEPHERD.) >>>>> - William b. 29 Jul, 1870, bpt 9 Apr, 1871. Joshua is Farmer, >>>>> Summerhill, >>>>> mother is Charlotte (SHEPHERD.) >>>>> >>>>> Now the mystery starts to >>>>> deepen........................................... >>>>> >>>>> There are 12 children born to a George SHEPHARD(sic) and Charlotte (MS >>>>> SHEPHARD) (on the date they say they were married in Sheffield, >>>>> Charlotte >>>>> m. Joshua BATTY.) There is *no* marriage anywhere in UK around the >>>>> right >>>>> time to 2 SHEPHARDs(sic.) Nor in N.S.W. >>>>> >>>>> Children are: >>>>> >>>>> - Hannah Elizabeth. b. 1855 (according to her MC in 1873 she was 18 >>>>> and >>>>> b. >>>>> YKS.) >>>>> - Sarah Ann b. 1857 YKS >>>>> - Mary Jane b. 1859 (I have her BC and she was b. 3 Jun, 1859, >>>>> Summerhill >>>>> and was unnamed on the BC. Parents George and Charlotte. >>>>> - Charlotte b. 31 Jan, 1861, Summerhill - unnamed on BC >>>>> - James b. 11 Sep, 1862, Summerhill. Parents George and Charlotte. >>>>> - Martha b. 1864 d/o >>>>> - Eliza b. 1866 d/o >>>>> - David b. 1868 d/o >>>>> - William b. 1870 d/o (died 1872) >>>>> - George b. 12 Sep, 1872 d/o "born in hollow by house". >>>>> - Joseph b. 1874 d.o >>>>> - Thomas b. 1876 >>>>> >>>>> (There is no Noble SHEPHARD born to George and Charlotte, as it says >>>>> on >>>>> his DC. He was the illegitimate son of Eliza (b. 1866), but must have >>>>> been >>>>> reared by G and C and thought they were his parents.) >>>>> >>>>> George SHEPHARD died in 1879 at Summerhill. Joshua BATTY died in >>>>> Parramatta Asylum in 1882, so they can't be the same person. >>>>> Charlotte died 31 Dec, 1914 (on nsw bmd as 1915). >>>>> >>>>> I have both George and Charlotte's DCs and both their wills. >>>>> >>>>> Would someone who loves a good mystery <vbg> like to assist me in >>>>> trying >>>>> to unravel this mess ? >>>>> >>>>> Also would anyone know where the baptismal records would be for the >>>>> 'missing' BATTY baptisms? Most likely they would be either at home in >>>>> Rockley or in the Anglican Church in Rockley. How would I obtain >>>>> these, >>>>> please? >>>>> >>>>> As well, would there be any admission records for Joshua to Parramatta >>>>> Asylum? (His brother William also died there.) >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for listening ! >>>>> Carolyn in Bathurst. >>> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the WEST-RIDING list administrator, send an email to >> WEST-RIDING-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the WEST-RIDING mailing list, send an email to >> WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >> body >> of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 2, Issue 388 >> ******************************************* >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >