It should be said that although Quakers did / do not baptise their children, they are usually quite flexible about such things. Later marriage in an Anglican church would not necessarily mean that the person was not a Quaker, but just that they may have married an Anglican. David Delta BC ----- Original Message ----- From: <west-riding-request@rootsweb.com> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 9:17 AM Subject: WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 2, Issue 402 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Quakers in Yorkshire (Top Ender) > 2. Re: SAYLES/SALES (Stephen Sayles) > 3. Re: SAYLES/SALES (Stephen Sayles) > 4. Re: Quakers in Yorkshire (Elaine Pickard) > 5. Re: Quakers in Yorkshire (Arthur & Pauline Kennedy) > 6. Re: Quakers in Yorkshire (Gordon Dyson) > 7. Re: Quakers in Yorkshire (richard ellis) > 8. FW: RE: Quakers in Yorkshire (Gordon Dyson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:01:48 +0930 > From: "Top Ender" <topender@aapt.net.au> > Subject: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <002201c8448e$441daf20$0201010a@ACERCOMP> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello Listers > > If sks could please tell me where to look for a Quaker Birth Index? > > The IGI only has different guesses that people have submitted but no > actual Batch No's or Source Call No's. > Edward Casson ROWNTREE b. 1811 Thorne Yorkshire my Gt Gt Grandfather > > The only question I can think to ask if there is an Index for the Quakers > Are they held in Yorkshire or in London? > > I am looking for a copy of the birth date register as well as the full > reference. > I am not familiar with Quaker records but do have knowledge of Parish > records that can be accessed through the LDS. > > Thanking you in Advance > Barbara from the Top End of Australia > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 14:14:14 -0000 > From: "Stephen Sayles" <Stephen.Sayles@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [WRY] SAYLES/SALES > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000a01c844a4$ef459820$e3038351@mc75u> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Geoff, > > Very many thanks for the useful info. Christmas just may have come early!! > > Kind regards, > Steve. >>From a rather mild New Forest in Hampshire > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geoff Watson" <geoffwatsone@hotmail.com> > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 5:50 PM > Subject: Re: [WRY] SAYLES/SALES > > >> >> Stephen >> >> Apologies for the typo - the marriage IGI should be M106791!!!! and I >> note > from Google that Marr and Hampole are less than five miles apart....... >> >> Similarly multimap has Ardwick Le Street only 2 miles from Bentley, > Doncaster; but the Monk Fryston and Barwick in Elmet links for Mary seem a > bit off centre. Heigh ho..... >> >> Go for it with Thomas though!!!!!! and keep looking for Mary HEMSWORTH! >> >> Regards >> >> Geoff >> >> > From: geoffwatsone@hotmail.com> To: west-riding@rootsweb.com> Date: >> > Fri, > 21 Dec 2007 17:06:21 +0000> Subject: Re: [WRY] SAYLES/SALES> > > Stephen> > > > Merry Christmas!> > The baptisms of a Jane, William, Mary and George SALE > appear to be on IGI batch C106791 all in Marr Parish Church; and there is > a > possible marriage between Thomas and Sarah HEMSWORTH on M107791 in the > same > Church - seems a pretty fair bet to an amateur like me, that they are the > same family, but other contributors might differ?> > There are 20 IGI's > for > Thomas Sale b1794-1798 in Yorkshire, but one born to William SALE and Mary > MARSDEN (unfortunately a Member Submitted Item) but bearing in mind your > info, with a specific date of 27 March 1796 in Ardwick Le Street, > Doncaster > seems worthy of more investigation; but there are only three IGI's (two > people) for Sarah HEMSWORTH b1795-1799 in Yorkshire - more investigation > needed on these methinks, on the proximity of Monk Fryston or Barwick in > Elmet to the 1851 Ce! >> nsus info of Bentley...... regret that I don't know the area well >> enough. > Google might help....... > > Good luck!> > Geoff in a very wet Sevilla> > > > > From: Stephen.Sayles@btinternet.com> To: west-riding@rootsweb.com> Date: > Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:31:29 +0000> Subject: [WRY] SAYLES/SALES> > Hi Folks,> > > > Can someone please help and make my Christmas?!!> > In the 1851 census, I > have a Thomas SAYLES b. 1796 in Hampole, m. to a Sarah b. 1797 in Bentley > Doncaster, with a daughter Jane GARBENS? b.1824 in Marr, Cristeford > GARBENS?? son-in law b. 1822 in Darfield; William GARBENS? grandson, b. > 1850 > in Pigburn; Mary Ann SAYLES, daughter b. 1828 in Marr; Harriet SAYLES, > daughter b. 1842 in Pigburn; Sarah SAYLES, granddaughter b. 1849 in > Pigburn.> > In the 1841 census, the name is Thomas SALES b. 1796; Sarah > SALES b. 1797; Mary SALES b. 1828; George SALES b. 1830; Joseph SALES > b.1832; Thomas SALES b. 1837; and Harriet SALES b. 1841.> > I am assuming > that they are the same family and the sp! >> elling change is because they are illiterate.> > I'm not sure how I ca >> n confirm if they are the same family.> > If someone has access to either > the H!> ampole PRs or possibly the Adwick-le- Street PRs could they please > check the marriage of Thomas and Sarah and supply Sarah's maiden name and > also any predecessors of both?> > This would really make my Christmas!! > > > > Thanking you in anticipation and wishing all on the List a very MERRY > Christmas and a Happy and Healthy New Year.> > Steve.> >> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please >> send > an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> >> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please >> send > an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 14:17:32 -0000 > From: "Stephen Sayles" <Stephen.Sayles@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [WRY] SAYLES/SALES > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001501c844a5$65319520$e3038351@mc75u> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Mary Lou, > > Very many thanks for the info, which seems to confirm that of Geoff > Watson. > The brickwall may be coming down in time for Christmas!! > > Kind regards, > Steve. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Mlou1173@aol.com> > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 12:06 AM > Subject: Re: [WRY] SAYLES/SALES > > >> Hi Steve......how does this look? >> >> THOMAS SALE >> Baptised March 27, 1796 >> Ardwick le Street, Doncaster >> Parents: William Sale & Mary Marsden >> >> December 24, 1821 >> THOMAS SALE & SARAH HEWSWORTH >> Marr, Yorkshire >> >> mary lou >> >> >> >> **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes >> (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 09:49:07 -0500 > From: "Elaine Pickard" <trayford@rogers.com> > Subject: Re: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <00a101c844a9$ce976810$6400a8c0@your7tpd92bdqq> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Barbara, > > Civil Registration started in England July 1st 1837. So therefore NO birth > certificates prior to that. > > You will have to trace Edward via the baptismal records for this family > exactly as you did with the Church of England records that you are > familiar > with. (LDS). > > If you check with GENUKI for Yorkshire and then "Where is it" for Thorn it > should tell you where the registers were deposited. > > Good luck. > > Elaine in Ottawa. > Sheffield Indexers Site Admin. > http://sheff-indexers.thewholeshebang.org > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Top Ender" <topender@aapt.net.au> > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Sent: December 22, 2007 6:31 AM > Subject: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > > >> Hello Listers >> >> If sks could please tell me where to look for a Quaker Birth Index? >> >> The IGI only has different guesses that people have submitted but no >> actual Batch No's or Source Call No's. >> Edward Casson ROWNTREE b. 1811 Thorne Yorkshire my Gt Gt Grandfather >> >> The only question I can think to ask if there is an Index for the Quakers >> Are they held in Yorkshire or in London? >> >> I am looking for a copy of the birth date register as well as the full >> reference. >> I am not familiar with Quaker records but do have knowledge of Parish >> records that can be accessed through the LDS. >> >> Thanking you in Advance >> Barbara from the Top End of Australia >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: >> 12/21/2007 1:17 PM >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:05:24 -0000 > From: "Arthur & Pauline Kennedy" <akpak@waitrose.com> > Subject: Re: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > To: <WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com>, <topender@aapt.net.au> > Message-ID: <007201c844ac$2d0cb3d0$8e10bd50@SN030718020010> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Barbara > > I'm not an expert on Quakers but I've come across the following websites, > which I kept details of in case I should ever need them: > > Leeds University Library - Special Collections: Quaker Archives Database > http://www.leeds.ac.uk/library/spcoll/quaker/quakint1.htm > > Yorkshire Quaker Heritage Project > http://www.learndev.hull.ac.uk/quaker/ > > You might find what you're looking for there; there's also a Quaker FHS > which might be able to help you. On the whole Quakers were quite good at > keeping records, so somewhere you may be in luck. > > Incidentally, I believe the chocolate-making Rowntrees were a Quaker > family, > so there may be some well-documented connections waiting for you. > > Arthur > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Top Ender" <topender@aapt.net.au> > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 11:31 AM > Subject: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > > >> Hello Listers >> >> If sks could please tell me where to look for a Quaker Birth Index? >> >> The IGI only has different guesses that people have submitted but no >> actual Batch No's or Source Call No's. >> Edward Casson ROWNTREE b. 1811 Thorne Yorkshire my Gt Gt Grandfather > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:14:05 +0100 (CET) > From: Gordon Dyson <geedee@fsmail.net> > Subject: Re: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <25091743.841431198340045663.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > 'ello, Barbara, > My IGI has an Edward Casson ROWNTREE, bapt. 27 Jun 1811 at Thorne, son of > Robert ROWNTREE and Eliza CASSON, Batch No 186009, serial sheet 37. > They may be Quakers, but to me, "Thorne", means Thorne Parish Church. ?? > If they are Quakers, you could try the Quaker Family History Society, > www.qfhs.co.uk They are indexing some Digests, but I don't know how far > they have got. > Quaker B.M.D.'s are known as "Digests" and are are the Friends Meeting > House Library, next to Euston Station, in London. (Can't find my file for > this at the moment) but there are also some in the "Special Collections" > at the Brotherton Library, University of Leeds, and some at University of > Hull, Quaker Project. > Regards, Gordon. > > > > > > > > ======================================== > Message Received: Dec 22 2007, 11:39 AM > From: "Top Ender" > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Subject: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > > Hello Listers > > If sks could please tell me where to look for a Quaker Birth Index? > > The IGI only has different guesses that people have submitted but no > actual Batch No's or Source Call No's. > Edward Casson ROWNTREE b. 1811 Thorne Yorkshire my Gt Gt Grandfather > > The only question I can think to ask if there is an Index for the Quakers > Are they held in Yorkshire or in London? > > I am looking for a copy of the birth date register as well as the full > reference. > I am not familiar with Quaker records but do have knowledge of Parish > records that can be accessed through the LDS. > > Thanking you in Advance > Barbara from the Top End of Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:34:52 -0000 > From: "richard ellis" <richard@ellisresearch.demon.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <ODEBKLCKOKJEDHGOGCFNCELNFAAA.richard@ellisresearch.demon.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Barbara > > I think you'll find the Quaker birth indices for > Yorkshire at the Brotherton archives in Leeds* as suggested > by Arthur, as well as Quaker House in London*, where copies > of the full registers are kept - mostly microfiche or film. > > For your information, Quakers did not have their children > baptised - however the births were recorded at the "monthly" > meetings at the local Friends meeting place of which there are > many in Yorkshire. > > If Gordon Dyson is correct about Thorne parish church and > the baptism, then your Rowntree is certainly not a Quaker. > > Rowntrees are very famous Quakers in Yorkshire - associated with > chocolate and confectionery in York. > > I have a Rowntree Quaker "connection" in my family ancestors, > a Maria Rowntree married in Scarborough in 1868. > > If your Edward Casson Rowntree later marries in a church or chapel > then it is probably more proof, that he was not a Quaker. > > Richard in Surrey > > * You'll find contact email addresses etc via google > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Top Ender > Sent: 22 December 2007 11:32 > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > > > Hello Listers > > If sks could please tell me where to look for a Quaker Birth Index? > > The IGI only has different guesses that people have submitted but no > actual > Batch No's or Source Call No's. > Edward Casson ROWNTREE b. 1811 Thorne Yorkshire my Gt Gt Grandfather > > The only question I can think to ask if there is an Index for the Quakers > Are they held in Yorkshire or in London? > > I am looking for a copy of the birth date register as well as the full > reference. > I am not familiar with Quaker records but do have knowledge of Parish > records that can be accessed through the LDS. > > Thanking you in Advance > Barbara from the Top End of Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:16:31 +0100 (CET) > From: Gordon Dyson <geedee@fsmail.net> > Subject: [WRY] FW: RE: Quakers in Yorkshire > To: WEST-RIDING <WEST-RIDING-L@Rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <23025047.728881198343791147.JavaMail.www@wwinf3203> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Sorry, Batch No. should be ... 1860009..... > Gordon > > ======================================== > Message Received: Dec 22 2007, 04:14 PM > From: "Gordon Dyson" > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Subject: RE: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > > > 'ello, Barbara, > My IGI has an Edward Casson ROWNTREE, bapt. 27 Jun 1811 at Thorne, son of > Robert ROWNTREE and Eliza CASSON, Batch No 186009, serial sheet 37. > They may be Quakers, but to me, "Thorne", means Thorne Parish Church. ?? > If they are Quakers, you could try the Quaker Family History Society, > www.qfhs.co.uk They are indexing some Digests, but I don't know how far > they have got. > Quaker B.M.D.'s are known as "Digests" and are are the Friends Meeting > House Library, next to Euston Station, in London. (Can't find my file for > this at the moment) but there are also some in the "Special Collections" > at the Brotherton Library, University of Leeds, and some at University of > Hull, Quaker Project. > Regards, Gordon. > ======================================== > Message Received: Dec 22 2007, 11:39 AM > From: "Top Ender" > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Subject: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > > Hello Listers > > If sks could please tell me where to look for a Quaker Birth Index? > > The IGI only has different guesses that people have submitted but no > actual Batch No's or Source Call No's. > Edward Casson ROWNTREE b. 1811 Thorne Yorkshire my Gt Gt Grandfather > > The only question I can think to ask if there is an Index for the Quakers > Are they held in Yorkshire or in London? > > I am looking for a copy of the birth date register as well as the full > reference. > I am not familiar with Quaker records but do have knowledge of Parish > records that can be accessed through the LDS. > > Thanking you in Advance > Barbara from the Top End of Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the WEST-RIDING list administrator, send an email to > WEST-RIDING-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the WEST-RIDING mailing list, send an email to > WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 2, Issue 402 > ******************************************* > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: > 21/12/2007 1:17 PM > >