David I have the "My ancestors were Quakers" the definite guide to Quakers as registered by the Society of Genealogists in London. Under Births it states Children, both of whose parents were in membership at the time of birth, had until 1959 a right to membership. Other minors may be admitted as minors at the request of parents. Since friends maintained an testimony against water baptism, no record is expected to be in parish registers, though occasionally incumbents felt it a civic duty to record all births in the parish*. During certain periods, particularly 1776-1837., non member children who had some claim to be under the care of Friends, are entered in the registers distinguished by NM. In general, this tended to be where one parent only was in membership: in some cases however NM was entered where neither parent appears to be in membership - perhaps because oner parent had been disowned for marriage, before the priest to a non-friend" My interpretation is that it is highly unlikely that a child who is baptized - as in this instance in a parish church in Thorpe - would be related to a Quaker - at the time of the birth. There are of course adult baptisms, so it is possible that the above person was originally a Quaker, but then decided to leave the Quakers, and become a member of the Church of England, Methodist etc Richard * I think that this was a common practice as I found most of the births of my Quaker ancestors in the 18th century recorded in the IGI "registers" - needless to say there was no mention of baptism -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of David Marriott Sent: 22 December 2007 17:24 To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Subject: [WRY] Quakers It should be said that although Quakers did / do not baptise their children, they are usually quite flexible about such things. Later marriage in an Anglican church would not necessarily mean that the person was not a Quaker, but just that they may have married an Anglican. David Delta BC ----- Original Message ----- From: <west-riding-request@rootsweb.com> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 9:17 AM Subject: WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 2, Issue 402 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Quakers in Yorkshire (Top Ender) > 2. Re: SAYLES/SALES (Stephen Sayles) > 3. Re: SAYLES/SALES (Stephen Sayles) > 4. Re: Quakers in Yorkshire (Elaine Pickard) > 5. Re: Quakers in Yorkshire (Arthur & Pauline Kennedy) > 6. Re: Quakers in Yorkshire (Gordon Dyson) > 7. Re: Quakers in Yorkshire (richard ellis) > 8. FW: RE: Quakers in Yorkshire (Gordon Dyson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:01:48 +0930 > From: "Top Ender" <topender@aapt.net.au> > Subject: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <002201c8448e$441daf20$0201010a@ACERCOMP> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello Listers > > If sks could please tell me where to look for a Quaker Birth Index? > > The IGI only has different guesses that people have submitted but no > actual Batch No's or Source Call No's. > Edward Casson ROWNTREE b. 1811 Thorne Yorkshire my Gt Gt Grandfather > > The only question I can think to ask if there is an Index for the Quakers > Are they held in Yorkshire or in London? > > I am looking for a copy of the birth date register as well as the full > reference. > I am not familiar with Quaker records but do have knowledge of Parish > records that can be accessed through the LDS. > > Thanking you in Advance > Barbara from the Top End of Australia > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 14:14:14 -0000 > From: "Stephen Sayles" <Stephen.Sayles@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [WRY] SAYLES/SALES > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000a01c844a4$ef459820$e3038351@mc75u> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Geoff, > > Very many thanks for the useful info. Christmas just may have come early!! > > Kind regards, > Steve. >>From a rather mild New Forest in Hampshire > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geoff Watson" <geoffwatsone@hotmail.com> > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 5:50 PM > Subject: Re: [WRY] SAYLES/SALES > > >> >> Stephen >> >> Apologies for the typo - the marriage IGI should be M106791!!!! and I >> note > from Google that Marr and Hampole are less than five miles apart....... >> >> Similarly multimap has Ardwick Le Street only 2 miles from Bentley, > Doncaster; but the Monk Fryston and Barwick in Elmet links for Mary seem a > bit off centre. Heigh ho..... >> >> Go for it with Thomas though!!!!!! and keep looking for Mary HEMSWORTH! >> >> Regards >> >> Geoff >> >> > From: geoffwatsone@hotmail.com> To: west-riding@rootsweb.com> Date: >> > Fri, > 21 Dec 2007 17:06:21 +0000> Subject: Re: [WRY] SAYLES/SALES> > > Stephen> > > > Merry Christmas!> > The baptisms of a Jane, William, Mary and George SALE > appear to be on IGI batch C106791 all in Marr Parish Church; and there is > a > possible marriage between Thomas and Sarah HEMSWORTH on M107791 in the > same > Church - seems a pretty fair bet to an amateur like me, that they are the > same family, but other contributors might differ?> > There are 20 IGI's > for > Thomas Sale b1794-1798 in Yorkshire, but one born to William SALE and Mary > MARSDEN (unfortunately a Member Submitted Item) but bearing in mind your > info, with a specific date of 27 March 1796 in Ardwick Le Street, > Doncaster > seems worthy of more investigation; but there are only three IGI's (two > people) for Sarah HEMSWORTH b1795-1799 in Yorkshire - more investigation > needed on these methinks, on the proximity of Monk Fryston or Barwick in > Elmet to the 1851 Ce! >> nsus info of Bentley...... regret that I don't know the area well >> enough. > Google might help....... > > Good luck!> > Geoff in a very wet Sevilla> > > > > From: Stephen.Sayles@btinternet.com> To: west-riding@rootsweb.com> Date: > Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:31:29 +0000> Subject: [WRY] SAYLES/SALES> > Hi Folks,> > > > Can someone please help and make my Christmas?!!> > In the 1851 census, I > have a Thomas SAYLES b. 1796 in Hampole, m. to a Sarah b. 1797 in Bentley > Doncaster, with a daughter Jane GARBENS? b.1824 in Marr, Cristeford > GARBENS?? son-in law b. 1822 in Darfield; William GARBENS? grandson, b. > 1850 > in Pigburn; Mary Ann SAYLES, daughter b. 1828 in Marr; Harriet SAYLES, > daughter b. 1842 in Pigburn; Sarah SAYLES, granddaughter b. 1849 in > Pigburn.> > In the 1841 census, the name is Thomas SALES b. 1796; Sarah > SALES b. 1797; Mary SALES b. 1828; George SALES b. 1830; Joseph SALES > b.1832; Thomas SALES b. 1837; and Harriet SALES b. 1841.> > I am assuming > that they are the same family and the sp! >> elling change is because they are illiterate.> > I'm not sure how I ca >> n confirm if they are the same family.> > If someone has access to either > the H!> ampole PRs or possibly the Adwick-le- Street PRs could they please > check the marriage of Thomas and Sarah and supply Sarah's maiden name and > also any predecessors of both?> > This would really make my Christmas!! > > > > Thanking you in anticipation and wishing all on the List a very MERRY > Christmas and a Happy and Healthy New Year.> > Steve.> >> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please >> send > an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> >> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please >> send > an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 14:17:32 -0000 > From: "Stephen Sayles" <Stephen.Sayles@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [WRY] SAYLES/SALES > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001501c844a5$65319520$e3038351@mc75u> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Mary Lou, > > Very many thanks for the info, which seems to confirm that of Geoff > Watson. > The brickwall may be coming down in time for Christmas!! > > Kind regards, > Steve. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Mlou1173@aol.com> > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 12:06 AM > Subject: Re: [WRY] SAYLES/SALES > > >> Hi Steve......how does this look? >> >> THOMAS SALE >> Baptised March 27, 1796 >> Ardwick le Street, Doncaster >> Parents: William Sale & Mary Marsden >> >> December 24, 1821 >> THOMAS SALE & SARAH HEWSWORTH >> Marr, Yorkshire >> >> mary lou >> >> >> >> **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes >> (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 09:49:07 -0500 > From: "Elaine Pickard" <trayford@rogers.com> > Subject: Re: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <00a101c844a9$ce976810$6400a8c0@your7tpd92bdqq> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Barbara, > > Civil Registration started in England July 1st 1837. So therefore NO birth > certificates prior to that. > > You will have to trace Edward via the baptismal records for this family > exactly as you did with the Church of England records that you are > familiar > with. (LDS). > > If you check with GENUKI for Yorkshire and then "Where is it" for Thorn it > should tell you where the registers were deposited. > > Good luck. > > Elaine in Ottawa. > Sheffield Indexers Site Admin. > http://sheff-indexers.thewholeshebang.org > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Top Ender" <topender@aapt.net.au> > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Sent: December 22, 2007 6:31 AM > Subject: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > > >> Hello Listers >> >> If sks could please tell me where to look for a Quaker Birth Index? >> >> The IGI only has different guesses that people have submitted but no >> actual Batch No's or Source Call No's. >> Edward Casson ROWNTREE b. 1811 Thorne Yorkshire my Gt Gt Grandfather >> >> The only question I can think to ask if there is an Index for the Quakers >> Are they held in Yorkshire or in London? >> >> I am looking for a copy of the birth date register as well as the full >> reference. >> I am not familiar with Quaker records but do have knowledge of Parish >> records that can be accessed through the LDS. >> >> Thanking you in Advance >> Barbara from the Top End of Australia >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: >> 12/21/2007 1:17 PM >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:05:24 -0000 > From: "Arthur & Pauline Kennedy" <akpak@waitrose.com> > Subject: Re: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > To: <WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com>, <topender@aapt.net.au> > Message-ID: <007201c844ac$2d0cb3d0$8e10bd50@SN030718020010> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Barbara > > I'm not an expert on Quakers but I've come across the following websites, > which I kept details of in case I should ever need them: > > Leeds University Library - Special Collections: Quaker Archives Database > http://www.leeds.ac.uk/library/spcoll/quaker/quakint1.htm > > Yorkshire Quaker Heritage Project > http://www.learndev.hull.ac.uk/quaker/ > > You might find what you're looking for there; there's also a Quaker FHS > which might be able to help you. On the whole Quakers were quite good at > keeping records, so somewhere you may be in luck. > > Incidentally, I believe the chocolate-making Rowntrees were a Quaker > family, > so there may be some well-documented connections waiting for you. > > Arthur > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Top Ender" <topender@aapt.net.au> > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 11:31 AM > Subject: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > > >> Hello Listers >> >> If sks could please tell me where to look for a Quaker Birth Index? >> >> The IGI only has different guesses that people have submitted but no >> actual Batch No's or Source Call No's. >> Edward Casson ROWNTREE b. 1811 Thorne Yorkshire my Gt Gt Grandfather > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:14:05 +0100 (CET) > From: Gordon Dyson <geedee@fsmail.net> > Subject: Re: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <25091743.841431198340045663.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > 'ello, Barbara, > My IGI has an Edward Casson ROWNTREE, bapt. 27 Jun 1811 at Thorne, son of > Robert ROWNTREE and Eliza CASSON, Batch No 186009, serial sheet 37. > They may be Quakers, but to me, "Thorne", means Thorne Parish Church. ?? > If they are Quakers, you could try the Quaker Family History Society, > www.qfhs.co.uk They are indexing some Digests, but I don't know how far > they have got. > Quaker B.M.D.'s are known as "Digests" and are are the Friends Meeting > House Library, next to Euston Station, in London. (Can't find my file for > this at the moment) but there are also some in the "Special Collections" > at the Brotherton Library, University of Leeds, and some at University of > Hull, Quaker Project. > Regards, Gordon. > > > > > > > > ======================================== > Message Received: Dec 22 2007, 11:39 AM > From: "Top Ender" > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Subject: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > > Hello Listers > > If sks could please tell me where to look for a Quaker Birth Index? > > The IGI only has different guesses that people have submitted but no > actual Batch No's or Source Call No's. > Edward Casson ROWNTREE b. 1811 Thorne Yorkshire my Gt Gt Grandfather > > The only question I can think to ask if there is an Index for the Quakers > Are they held in Yorkshire or in London? > > I am looking for a copy of the birth date register as well as the full > reference. > I am not familiar with Quaker records but do have knowledge of Parish > records that can be accessed through the LDS. > > Thanking you in Advance > Barbara from the Top End of Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:34:52 -0000 > From: "richard ellis" <richard@ellisresearch.demon.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <ODEBKLCKOKJEDHGOGCFNCELNFAAA.richard@ellisresearch.demon.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Barbara > > I think you'll find the Quaker birth indices for > Yorkshire at the Brotherton archives in Leeds* as suggested > by Arthur, as well as Quaker House in London*, where copies > of the full registers are kept - mostly microfiche or film. > > For your information, Quakers did not have their children > baptised - however the births were recorded at the "monthly" > meetings at the local Friends meeting place of which there are > many in Yorkshire. > > If Gordon Dyson is correct about Thorne parish church and > the baptism, then your Rowntree is certainly not a Quaker. > > Rowntrees are very famous Quakers in Yorkshire - associated with > chocolate and confectionery in York. > > I have a Rowntree Quaker "connection" in my family ancestors, > a Maria Rowntree married in Scarborough in 1868. > > If your Edward Casson Rowntree later marries in a church or chapel > then it is probably more proof, that he was not a Quaker. > > Richard in Surrey > > * You'll find contact email addresses etc via google > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Top Ender > Sent: 22 December 2007 11:32 > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > > > Hello Listers > > If sks could please tell me where to look for a Quaker Birth Index? > > The IGI only has different guesses that people have submitted but no > actual > Batch No's or Source Call No's. > Edward Casson ROWNTREE b. 1811 Thorne Yorkshire my Gt Gt Grandfather > > The only question I can think to ask if there is an Index for the Quakers > Are they held in Yorkshire or in London? > > I am looking for a copy of the birth date register as well as the full > reference. > I am not familiar with Quaker records but do have knowledge of Parish > records that can be accessed through the LDS. > > Thanking you in Advance > Barbara from the Top End of Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:16:31 +0100 (CET) > From: Gordon Dyson <geedee@fsmail.net> > Subject: [WRY] FW: RE: Quakers in Yorkshire > To: WEST-RIDING <WEST-RIDING-L@Rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <23025047.728881198343791147.JavaMail.www@wwinf3203> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Sorry, Batch No. should be ... 1860009..... > Gordon > > ======================================== > Message Received: Dec 22 2007, 04:14 PM > From: "Gordon Dyson" > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Subject: RE: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > > > 'ello, Barbara, > My IGI has an Edward Casson ROWNTREE, bapt. 27 Jun 1811 at Thorne, son of > Robert ROWNTREE and Eliza CASSON, Batch No 186009, serial sheet 37. > They may be Quakers, but to me, "Thorne", means Thorne Parish Church. ?? > If they are Quakers, you could try the Quaker Family History Society, > www.qfhs.co.uk They are indexing some Digests, but I don't know how far > they have got. > Quaker B.M.D.'s are known as "Digests" and are are the Friends Meeting > House Library, next to Euston Station, in London. (Can't find my file for > this at the moment) but there are also some in the "Special Collections" > at the Brotherton Library, University of Leeds, and some at University of > Hull, Quaker Project. > Regards, Gordon. > ======================================== > Message Received: Dec 22 2007, 11:39 AM > From: "Top Ender" > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Subject: [WRY] Quakers in Yorkshire > > Hello Listers > > If sks could please tell me where to look for a Quaker Birth Index? > > The IGI only has different guesses that people have submitted but no > actual Batch No's or Source Call No's. > Edward Casson ROWNTREE b. 1811 Thorne Yorkshire my Gt Gt Grandfather > > The only question I can think to ask if there is an Index for the Quakers > Are they held in Yorkshire or in London? > > I am looking for a copy of the birth date register as well as the full > reference. > I am not familiar with Quaker records but do have knowledge of Parish > records that can be accessed through the LDS. > > Thanking you in Advance > Barbara from the Top End of Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the WEST-RIDING list administrator, send an email to > WEST-RIDING-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the WEST-RIDING mailing list, send an email to > WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 2, Issue 402 > ******************************************* > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: > 21/12/2007 1:17 PM > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message