Hi Colin, I would expect registers prior to 1653 because the parish was an ancient one. Why do the records start so late? Alternately, I was wondering was whether a nearby parish would have been a spot for marriages, baptisms, etc. Or perhaps, the records were lost or just in terrible condition (like Haworth - a constant frustration for me)? What I find in London research is that parishes come and go as the City changes. In YKS, there is not the same level of growth and change, but there are churches created in the 1700s and 1800s particularly. Is there some other place to look for records for someone living in Stonebeck Down in the 1670s? Janet On Dec 26, 2009, at 3:01 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Kirkby Malzeard Parish Registers/Marmaduke Horseman > (Colin Hinson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:51:05 +0000 > From: Colin Hinson <[email protected]> > Subject: [WRY] Kirkby Malzeard Parish Registers/Marmaduke Horseman > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Hi Janet, > Have you information that would lead you to believe that there were > parish registers before 1653 ? 1653 is the earliest date in Colin > Blanshard Withers's book and would probably be correct for the start > of the registers. Kirkby Malzeard was an ancient parish and so the > records would be there (i.e. at the parish church) as opposed to > Pateley Bridge which was a chapelry of Ripon. (See the Genuki pages > for more information). > > Best wishes, > Colin Hinson > > In the village of Blunham in Bedfordshire U.K. > Webmaster for the Genuki Yorkshire pages: > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > Old and Rare Yorkshire Books on searchable CDroms: > http://www.YorkshireCDbooks.com > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> Does anyone know what happened to the Kirkby Malzeard PRs for the >> years prior to 1653? Are they just lost or were they recorded >> somewhere else, like Patley Bridge? >> >> I am searching for a Marmaduke Horseman (Quaker) who went to New >> Jersey in 1679 with a family (dau Susannah b. abt 1665 - m. 1686 in >> NJ) and I think that he may have been from Kirkby Malzeard. I find 2 >> Marmaduke Horsemans in the 1672 Hearth Tax rolls living in Stonebeck >> Down, which is in Kirkby Malzeard parish. There are no other >> Marmaduke >> Horsemans in the Hearth Tax rolls in West YKS in 1672. There should >> be >> a marriage and birth of children in England. I have looked at the >> Kirkby Malzeard PR transcripts and do not find the family. Now, I >> have >> not looked at the original registers, so I do not know what they look >> like or whether there are huge gaps. Has anyone seen the actual >> registers? Of course, part of the problem may be the Interregnum >> but I >> many events would have been prior to that, including Marmaduke's >> birth. >> >> Interestingly, there is a Marmaduke Horseman who was hung at York >> Castle in 1670 for murdering a gamekeeper. One of the Marmaduke >> Horseman Stonebeck Down hearths was "empty" in 1672. Perhaps the >> murder Marmaduke? >> >> By the way, the IGI gives a marriage for the Quaker Marmaduke >> Horseman >> in 1634 in Keighley. The Keighley PR entry from the transcript gives >> no more information than the date of the marriage and name of the >> parties. The date and location seem wrong to me for this Marmaduke >> Horseman. >> >> There are also several Marmaduke Horsemans in the baptisms at Ripon >> in >> the 1620s and 30s who could be the right one, but who knows? I have >> not found a will that clears that up for me. >> >> Merry Christmas to All, >> Janet Sugden Thomas, Stamford CT > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the WEST-RIDING list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the WEST-RIDING mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > . > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 4, Issue 327 > *******************************************

Hi Janet, there can be a variety of reasons for the registers of ancient parishes to only run from a mid-17th century date. One of the most common is that the registers dating up to the 1650s were lost in the Civil War, either destroyed, or taken away and never returned. Here in Derbyshire there aren't many parishes with registers (or even BTs) before the 1650s, which makes things incredibly difficult. I've been told the reason for this is destruction of records at the Diocesan HQ in Lichfield during the fighting, as well as loss of records in parishes themselves. It's worth asking the relevant Archives responsible for your parishes of interest for a history of those registers, or you can look in the Society of Genealogists National Index of Parish Registers (series of slim county volumes, available in libraries, or to purchase). GENUKI pages for Yorkshire parishes usually give the dates of surviving PRs and BTs too. If the non-existence of early PRs is not the problem, there are a number of other possibilities. As you say, the family may have used another nearby parish. (GENUKI gives a list of nearby places for each location.) They may also have been dissenters, or they may have moved about between religious affiliations, as many people chose or were forced to do during the 17th century. So it's also worth looking at whatever non-conformist records exist for your parish and wider area (Archives will tell you). Early dissenters often travelled considerable distances to the nearest available meeting, which may even have been in an adjoining county. Hope this helps. Celia Renshaw In Chesterfield UK Bringing lost ancestors home: www.morganhold.com Free strays database; affordable family research services -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of janet thomas Sent: 29 December 2009 10:07 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WRY] WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 4, Issue 327 Hi Colin, I would expect registers prior to 1653 because the parish was an ancient one. Why do the records start so late? Alternately, I was wondering was whether a nearby parish would have been a spot for marriages, baptisms, etc. Or perhaps, the records were lost or just in terrible condition (like Haworth - a constant frustration for me)? What I find in London research is that parishes come and go as the City changes. In YKS, there is not the same level of growth and change, but there are churches created in the 1700s and 1800s particularly. Is there some other place to look for records for someone living in Stonebeck Down in the 1670s? Janet