Thank you for such interesting info Roy. The witnesses to the marriage of MWP's parents were (unhelpfully!) G. STODART & J. YOUNG. The grooms father's occupation is given as "Gas works canteen manager". Groom's residence is given as Brearly Street, Leeds 9. I am waiting for the two copy birth certs to arrive, although the person who telephoned me back to confirm the certs before issuing them did mention that the occupation of the father on the one with mother's maiden surname LEE, is given as "hotel chef". This would tie in with what I have read the MWP's father and grandfather were also chefs, although of course I cannot assume anything until seeing both certs. I was not previously aware of Yorkshire BMD's site, so have checked the link you provided and sadly the marri! age cert for the WHITE / LEE couple is not available for download, so I will maybe order that once I have the births certs, as I admit that is the couple who are looking most likely to me at the moment. I am also wondering if perhaps a "hotel chef" registering his son's birth in 1927 may turn to being a canteen manager later in life by the time his son got married in 1954? It's not a million miles away in terms of occupation - or is it? Jayne ---------[ Received Mail Content ]---------- Subject : Re: [WRY] Marco Pierre WHITE Date : Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:47:23 -0000 From : "Roy Stockdill" <[email protected]> To : <[email protected]> On 16 Mar 2010 at 15:27, Steve Bamford wrote: > Jayne, > > Do you have any other details on the marriage certificate, e.g. > father's occupation, witnesses (who are often siblings or other > relatives) - these might give you clues that could help you pin down > the father.