My thanks to Mabel in NZ and Christine in Yorkshire for the information they have found for me. I appreciate the time that it would have taken to find this. Mabel I certainly know where the LDS is near Mona Vale so will pay them a visit and see if I can't get the information from the Parish Registers. Still to determine if Middleton or Grime is the maiden name for Mary, wife of Nathan. Could be an interesting exercise, if I can find the marriage that would be wonderful. Again thank you for your help. Regards Barbara, New Zealand