Hi Jean and Sue, I'm listening to your unilateral conversation here in WA! I noted little Joseph aged 7. Is it possible that he isn't James's son but Jane had him before she was married and her dad is still seeing things as they had been for 6 years even though the couple now are married? It may help to know when James's own wife died. Do you have young Joseph's birth Sue? On freebmd there are three Joseph Boothmans born in Clitheroe between 1844 and 1845. What does the 1861 say? Cheers, Mary