Hi Jean, Many of the American Spiveys are of African descent. The Spiveys owned several large cotton & tobacco plantations in the South & I have copies of the original slave registers. The slaves were referred to as "workers" & in many cases were not treated harshly. As most of the slaves didn't have surnames they often took the name of the owner of the plantation without any DNA relationship. Of course there were instances of masters fathering the children of slaves. One of the most famous being the Jefferson relationship. There have been many famous "black" Spiveys. Herman Spivey comes to mind. If you are interested I can send you an article but it's probably just as easy for you to look him up on the internet. Several people have contacted me about the mills on the Coln including photographs. I believe one mill is, or was, situated at a place called Dungeon! Nice to hear from you again. Warm regards, John. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jean and terry Sent: Monday, 1 March 2010 11:06 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WRY] Hadcocke Rawe Hi, There was a Mill on Kings Mill Lane which I actually worked at briefly in 1961. I think it had been owned by someone called Kaye and the daughter married an American Negro who was actually a friend of Paul Robson the Actor/Singer. I rather hoped I would meet him some time. Anyway I worked in the Office. I can remember if I got wages wrong I had to go into the weaving shed to discuss this with the workers who understood how to work out their wages better than I did. You didn't get it wrong very often. Mum told me this marriage caused a bit of a scandal in its day as there were few Negros in Huddersfield and a marriage between one and a white girl was unusual, although Mum said they did have a friend in their own social group called Eddy who was coloured (not sure of which nationality)... I can't remember the American man's name but their children were sent back to America for their education.. I think he was also well educated. Prior to that I often walked on this lane to get to my grandma's at Aspley from Longroyd Bridge. I believe that there was an Orphanage or Mother's and Babies home called St. Catherine's on this lane too as my Aunt was adopted from there in 1923. None of this helps your understanding I suppose but I have just discovered that Learoyds Yard was named after Learoyd who owned a Mill so anything is possible. I can visualise the river side but not the other side where houses or roads might have been. When I think about it trade for cotton might have meant the family travelling to America perhaps (no idea if it was a cotton or wool mill from memory)which could have been when she met her husband.. Even back in 1960 a mixed race marriage was still frowned upon and still unusual.. Jean in S. Australia.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Spivey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [WRY] Hadcocke Rawe

Hi John, I am currently subscribed to Ancestry and I am bombing along with all the available census, BDM and WW1 data available plus birth, death and marriage certificates and photographs and the contacts with people researching the same family lines, it is amazing. I even got Terry to make me a new cupboard to store my folders and I am slowly going through tidying up, destroying any information I collected in the beginning (in case it was relevant) and trying to record what I now know to be fact in a Publisher file, going family by family. I have done work on the WOOD line (mine in the past) some on mum's line (JACKSON and very challenging as she was adopted but have done better than I could have hoped for, even found a real cousin). Then I have done extensive work on my husband's grandparents, Emma who was a LOCKWOOD and William who was an ELLAM and it is the Ellam line I am currently trying to stick with. It is amazing how much I have managed to stimulate Terry's memory and what I have learned from others, more than I ever dreamed of. I have 3 inquests, a death notice, several death and marriage certificates, some photos and I am awaiting court information, made contact with descendents of one who went to Canada and I am in touch with several second and third cousins of Terry's. Had some great email conversations. Mind you I do need to get my head into the 2000s before it is too late as time goes so fast I feel I am missing out on life by worrying about the past some times. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Spivey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] Hadcocke Rawe > Hi Jean, > > Many of the American Spiveys are of African descent. The Spiveys owned > several large cotton & tobacco plantations in the South & I have copies of > the original slave registers. The slaves were referred to as "workers" & > in > many cases were not treated harshly. As most of the slaves didn't have > surnames they often took the name of the owner of the plantation without > any > DNA relationship. Of course there were instances of masters fathering the > children of slaves. One of the most famous being the Jefferson > relationship. > There have been many famous "black" Spiveys. Herman Spivey comes to mind. > If > you are interested I can send you an article but it's probably just as > easy > for you to look him up on the internet. Several people have contacted me > about the mills on the Coln including photographs. I believe one mill is, > or > was, situated at a place called Dungeon! > > Nice to hear from you again. Warm regards, John. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jean and terry > Sent: Monday, 1 March 2010 11:06 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WRY] Hadcocke Rawe > > Hi, There was a Mill on Kings Mill Lane which I actually worked at > briefly > in 1961. I think it had been owned by someone called Kaye and the > daughter > married an American Negro who was actually a friend of Paul Robson the > Actor/Singer. I rather hoped I would meet him some time. Anyway I worked > in the Office. I can remember if I got wages wrong I had to go into the > weaving shed to discuss this with the workers who understood how to work > out > > their wages better than I did. You didn't get it wrong very often. Mum > told me this marriage caused a bit of a scandal in its day as there were > few > > Negros in Huddersfield and a marriage between one and a white girl was > unusual, although Mum said they did have a friend in their own social > group > called Eddy who was coloured (not sure of which nationality)... I can't > remember the American man's name but their children were sent back to > America for their education.. I think he was also well educated. > > Prior to that I often walked on this lane to get to my grandma's at Aspley > from Longroyd Bridge. I believe that there was an Orphanage or Mother's > and > > Babies home called St. Catherine's on this lane too as my Aunt was adopted > from there in 1923. > > None of this helps your understanding I suppose but I have just discovered > that Learoyds Yard was named after Learoyd who owned a Mill so anything is > possible. I can visualise the river side but not the other side where > houses or roads might have been. > > When I think about it trade for cotton might have meant the family > travelling to America perhaps (no idea if it was a cotton or wool mill > from > memory)which could have been when she met her husband.. > > Even back in 1960 a mixed race marriage was still frowned upon and still > unusual.. > > Jean in S. Australia.. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Spivey" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 9:27 AM > Subject: Re: [WRY] Hadcocke Rawe > > > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message