G'day Folks, I have two queries which may require special knowledge of Almondbury. The first is that in the Registers for ca 1600, there are entries like........ John CROSLAND of Vill ......George CROSLAND of Vill. Where was "Vill", it indicates to me that it is "Town" which could mean Huddersfield. Or would Almondbury be called a "Vill". The second is a reference in the same Registers to a Richard CROSLAND of Yate buried in 1614/15. Does anyone have any idea where Yate [gate] was, other than Yateholme near Holme. Hoping someone can help, Bill Melbourne, Oz

At 09:30 08/02/2010, Bill wrote: >The first is that in the Registers for ca 1600, there are entries >like........ John CROSLAND of Vill ......George CROSLAND of Vill. Where >was "Vill", it indicates to me that it is "Town" which could mean >Huddersfield. Or would Almondbury be called a "Vill". Up to around 1800 Almondbury was bigger than it's neighbouring village, Huddersfield, so it won't refer to Huddersfield - references to Huddersfield as "Town" are comparatively very recent. As far as I know Vill or Villa refers to Almondbury village. Don't forget Almondbury parish was huge (see the Genuki site http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Almondbury/index.html) and stretched into the Holme valley and beyond. >The second is a reference in the same Registers to a Richard CROSLAND of >Yate buried in 1614/15. Does anyone have any idea where Yate [gate] >was, other than Yateholme near Holme. Why not Yateholme? It was in Almondbury parish - see above. Hope this helps, Andy

Andy you might be able to help me understand things a bit. St. Peters Parish Church in Huddersfield seems to be linked to Slaithwaite and some records appear in both. I am under the impression that marriages had to take place in the Church of England - do you know when this stopped. When did Almondbury Parish Church do marriages and did Kirkheaton also have marriages. What I am thinking is do we need 3 Parish church records to actually cover the area and at what period of time. I noticed that my Golcar family who were mainly non-conformists married in Huddersfield, sometimes had children baptised in Slaithwaite. Baptisms are all over the place because Marsden and Linthwaite have some too. The more booklets get transcribed the easier it is for people like me who rely on the internet or a booklet to research further back than 1837. I had people assuming that William Elam married Nanny Sykes and I am wondering where such a marriage is actually listed. I have a marriage in St. Peters to a Nanny but it is to Nanny Brook. The IGI on line doesn't cover all Parish records. Jean in S. Australia. (born and bred in Huddersfield) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Micklethwaite" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] Almondbury Queries > At 09:30 08/02/2010, Bill wrote: >>The first is that in the Registers for ca 1600, there are entries >>like........ John CROSLAND of Vill ......George CROSLAND of Vill. Where >>was "Vill", it indicates to me that it is "Town" which could mean >>Huddersfield. Or would Almondbury be called a "Vill". > > Up to around 1800 Almondbury was bigger than it's neighbouring village, > Huddersfield, so it won't refer to Huddersfield - references to > Huddersfield as "Town" are comparatively very recent. As far as I know > Vill or Villa refers to Almondbury village. Don't forget Almondbury parish > was huge (see the Genuki site > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Almondbury/index.html) and > stretched into the Holme valley and beyond. > >>The second is a reference in the same Registers to a Richard CROSLAND of >>Yate buried in 1614/15. Does anyone have any idea where Yate [gate] >>was, other than Yateholme near Holme. > > Why not Yateholme? It was in Almondbury parish - see above. > > Hope this helps, Andy > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At 13:36 08/02/2010, Jean wrote: >Andy you might be able to help me understand things a bit. St. Peters >Parish Church in Huddersfield seems to be linked to Slaithwaite and some >records appear in both. Until sometime after 1832, Slaithwaite was a chapelry within Huddersfield St Peters - http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/Misc/CBW/WRY/Slaithwaite.html I think records of events in the chapelry should appear at St Peter's records too - but I doubt they always did. > I am under the impression that marriages had to >take place in the Church of England - do you know when this stopped. This was required from Hardwicke's Act of 1754 (from memory) to 1837 when civil registration started. >When >did Almondbury Parish Church do marriages It's an old parish and records commence 1557 http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/Misc/CBW/WRY/Almondbury.html > and did Kirkheaton also have >marriages. Yes - see Genuki! > What I am thinking is do we need 3 Parish church records to >actually cover the area and at what period of time. At least - don't forget Kirkburton covered another large area to the south of Huddersfield. And if you're into Kirkheaton, then there's overlap with Mirfield. Not to mention places further East and South!! >I noticed that my Golcar family who were mainly non-conformists married in >Huddersfield, sometimes had children baptised in Slaithwaite. Because of the aforementioned Act, marriages of non-conformists had to be Anglican. NC records can be difficult to find, and Huddersfield had a lot of them! I think Wesley had some harsh words to describe them - I'm sure someone will find the quote! >The IGI on line doesn't cover all Parish records. The IGI has partial coverage in many respects. Hugh Wallis' site http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/ says which parishes have coverage - but it's not quite complete - I've found a couple of batches which aren't mentioned there. An IGI batch is also not complete - I reckon about 90% coverage only. In other words, there are records which appear in the PR which do not appear in the IGI. Also bear in mind (as Steve W's recent email to me showed) that the IGI only has part of the entry and the missing part can provide vital clues - the classic is when it says "widow", or in my recent case "father not known"! Which reminds me - you MUST check out Steve's site http://www.whitwam.co.uk if you have Colne Valley connections if you haven't already. Well worth it. Ellen wrote: >Jean & Andy - am following your communications as you are right in the middle of my brick walls. My Father's neighbourhood and problem is I do not know which Parish to pin point. Slaithwaite, Linthwaite, Almondbury & downtown Huddersfield all play a part. Need all the help I can get so please keep your info online so I may follow it. Ellen - check out the Genuki sites mentioned above and look at neighbouring places. Along with the help of Google Maps, that should help you work out which parish is which. Hope this helps - and I hope I haven't got too much wrong! Best Wishes, Andy.

G'day Andy, Thanks for your comments. Initially I believed that Vill applied to Almondbury but because of the proximity and a perceived faster growth in Hudds, I considered that Richard may have moved there. Whilst Almondbury was indeed a large Parish I didn't consider that the "town" was that big, considering the proximity of other villages within the parish and the Wooldale/Cartworth/Holmfirth complex in Kirkburton. I did not realise that Hudds was so small in the C18. My query regarding Yate was intended as a means of excluding others leaving Yateholm as the obvious choice. My reason being that I am working on the early CROSLANDs of Holme and therefore would like to lock Richard in as one of my early forbears. Thanks again, Bill Andy Micklethwaite wrote: > At 09:30 08/02/2010, Bill wrote: > >> The first is that in the Registers for ca 1600, there are entries >> like........ John CROSLAND of Vill ......George CROSLAND of Vill. Where >> was "Vill", it indicates to me that it is "Town" which could mean >> Huddersfield. Or would Almondbury be called a "Vill". >> > > Up to around 1800 Almondbury was bigger than it's neighbouring village, Huddersfield, so it won't refer to Huddersfield - references to Huddersfield as "Town" are comparatively very recent. As far as I know Vill or Villa refers to Almondbury village. Don't forget Almondbury parish was huge (see the Genuki site http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Almondbury/index.html) and stretched into the Holme valley and beyond. > > >> The second is a reference in the same Registers to a Richard CROSLAND of >> Yate buried in 1614/15. Does anyone have any idea where Yate [gate] >> was, other than Yateholme near Holme. >> > > Why not Yateholme? It was in Almondbury parish - see above. > > Hope this helps, Andy > >