Christine just looked at the 1881 census and Mary ann & Fred's eldest child is 5 years old is it possible she was married to someone called Carr before marrying Fred Bev -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley Abernethy Sent: 29 November 2011 18:00 To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WRY] Help please Hi Christine My only suggestion would be that the priest or registrar was hard of hearing! There is a sad account of the death of Mary Ann's brother Stephen, aged 3 in the Bradford Observer of March 19th 1868, having been run over and killed the previous November by a cart in White Abbey Road. Michael Cahill gives evidence at the trial of the cart driver, stating that he is a labourer living in salt Pie Street, and that he had left the boy in the care of his sister, Mary Ann cahill aged 8 years. ________________________________ From: Christine Shelmerdine <cmshelmerdine@googlemail.com> To: WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2011, 13:21 Subject: [WRY] Help please Can anyone shed any light on the above people.I have a Mary Ann Cahill being born to Hannah nee Read and Michael Cahill in 1860 in Bradford, Michael was a Hawker and was not living at the given address in 1861.  I cannot find any trace of this family on any census. I next have a Mary Ann Carr marrying a Fred Tetley claiming her father to be William On the 1881 census I then have Fred and Mary Ann living with Hannah Cahill, mother and mother-in-law. The Fred Tetley is the same person  as his age and profession remain the same throughout all following documentation. I have the birth certificate of Mary Ann Cahill, 1860  I have the marriage evidence of Fred Tetley and Mary Ann Carr 1879 (they started to have a family in 1880, 5 children in all , I have the birth certificate of my husbands grandmother born 1886 to Fred Tetley and Mary Ann Tetley formerly Cahill. Has anyone any suggestions to help to resolve this conundrum -- Christine Shelmerdine Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you for your input,I have searched for many years. I have purchased many certificates and the newspaper report that you have told me about will, i am sure, help me to explore another avenue. What a lot of problems I am encountering while researching the Tetley/Raistrick family. Fred and Mary Ann Cahill are the great grandparents of my husband. Thank you for your interest,good luck with your studies also Cheers Christine On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:18 PM, Beverley Hill <hilltock@btinternet.com>wrote: > Christine > just looked at the 1881 census and Mary ann & Fred's eldest child is 5 > years > old is it possible she was married to someone called Carr before marrying > Fred > Bev > > -----Original Message----- > From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley Abernethy > Sent: 29 November 2011 18:00 > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WRY] Help please > > Hi Christine > My only suggestion would be that the priest or registrar was hard of > hearing! > There is a sad account of the death of Mary Ann's brother Stephen, aged 3 > in > the Bradford Observer of March 19th 1868, having been run over and killed > the previous November by a cart in White Abbey Road. > Michael Cahill gives evidence at the trial of the cart driver, stating that > he is a labourer living in salt Pie Street, and that he had left the boy in > the care of his sister, Mary Ann cahill aged 8 years. > > > ________________________________ > From: Christine Shelmerdine <cmshelmerdine@googlemail.com> > To: WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2011, 13:21 > Subject: [WRY] Help please > > Can anyone shed any light on the above people.I have a Mary Ann Cahill > being born to Hannah nee Read and Michael Cahill in 1860 in > Bradford, > Michael was a Hawker and was not living at the given address in 1861. I > cannot find any trace of this family on any census. > I next have a Mary Ann Carr marrying a Fred Tetley claiming her father to > be William > On the 1881 census I then have Fred and Mary Ann living with Hannah Cahill, > mother and mother-in-law. The Fred Tetley is the same person as his age > and profession remain the same throughout all following documentation. > I have the birth certificate of Mary Ann Cahill, 1860 I have the marriage > evidence of Fred Tetley and Mary Ann Carr 1879 (they started to have a > family in 1880, 5 children in all , I have the birth certificate of my > husbands grandmother born 1886 to Fred Tetley and Mary Ann Tetley formerly > Cahill. > Has anyone any suggestions to help to resolve this conundrum > -- > Christine Shelmerdine > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Christine Shelmerdine

Hi Christine, The child, Fanny Tetley is shown aged 5 in the 1881 census and as the granddau. of Hannah Cahill who is the head of the household, there is also grandson John William aged 1, as you will already know. I found a birth on FreeBMD for a Fanny Tetley Dec. Qtr. 1880 at Bradford Yorks. reg. district volume 9b page 131. This was the only result I got from my search for a birth in the Bradford reg. district between 1872-1881 FreeBMD shows a birth in June Qtr. 1876 at Bradford Yorks. volume 9b page 255 for John William Tetley. Maybe he should be shown as age 5 and Fanny as age 1 in the 1881 census entry. I looks to me as though the enumerator wrote Fanny's age in the male column first and then scrubbed it out to re-write it in the female age column. Maybe he had got in a proper muddle with the ages. Maybe whoever wrote out the household schedule got it all in a muddle to start with and the enumerator was trying to sort it out and still ended up with a muddle. Maybe you have the birth certificates for these two children already and so will know the rights and wrongs of it all. I agree with the other lister, that it is possible to registrar or curate mis-heard Mary Ann's surname of Cahill and put Carr in error. There does not seem to be any 1861 or 1871 census entry showing Michael or William Cahill with a wife called hannah and a daughter Mary Ann anywhere in the country. Neither can I find Mary Ann Cahill, or any sort of variant of the name, with a mother called Hannah, showing without a father present in either of the same two censuses. Maybe if William/Michael was a Hawker he and his family moved around a lot and slept out in the countryside, such as a traveller or gypsy might do. You say he was a hawker perhaps that occupation kept him on the move around the countryside. Regards Jenny DeAngelis <<> just looked at the 1881 census and Mary ann & Fred's eldest child is 5 > years > old is it possible she was married to someone called Carr before marrying > Fred>>>