I am reposting my brick wall in the hope that new eyes or a new look with old eyes might be able to give me any hints for further checking. Below is the information I have: My grandfather Thomas Smith born 1885, Millhouses Darfield, married in 1906, by which time his father has died and his mother has remarried a Charles Smith (still trying to find out if they are related). Thomas' father is also Thomas. 1871 census my ggrandfather is with his wife Susan in Rotherham. Susan is from Staffordshire. Thomas says he was born in Leeds. He is 24. 1881 census he is with his wife and family in Darfield and says he was born in Haywood Little Yorkshire. He is 35 By 1891 he must have died as his family are with Charles Smith in Rotheram, Charles says he was born in Little Hawswood Yorkshire In 1901 the family are all together but this time Charles says he was born in Dudley. Thomas married Sussanah (Susan) Marston in Dudley in 1867 at this time he states that his father is William Smith, deceased contractor. I have tried to find either my grandfather, great grandfather or gg grandfather in either 1861, 1851 or 1841. But the common name and a positive lack of a place are not helping. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you June

June, Anyone researching Smiths has my sympathy! This may be a ridiculous suggestion, but might it be that Thomas and Charles are the same person? There are such a number of possible birth places which you quote, but Haywood Little and Little Hawswood do have some similarity. Also Little Haywood is in Staffordshire, Little Hawswood is somewhere I can't locate. Are you only able to go by census information? It's a bit limiting especially in a case like this. good luck! Maggie -----Original Message----- From: June Chan <mai_ling@aapt.net.au> To: WEST-RIDING-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 4:22 Subject: [WRY] SMITH I am reposting my brick wall in the hope that new eyes or a new look with old eyes might be able to give me any hints for further checking. Below is the information I have: My grandfather Thomas Smith born 1885, Millhouses Darfield, married in 1906, by which time his father has died and his mother has remarried a Charles Smith (still trying to find out if they are related). Thomas' father is also Thomas. 1871 census my ggrandfather is with his wife Susan in Rotherham. Susan is from Staffordshire. Thomas says he was born in Leeds. He is 24. 1881 census he is with his wife and family in Darfield and says he was born in Haywood Little Yorkshire. He is 35 By 1891 he must have died as his family are with Charles Smith in Rotheram, Charles says he was born in Little Hawswood Yorkshire In 1901 the family are all together but this time Charles says he was born in Dudley. Thomas married Sussanah (Susan) Marston in Dudley in 1867 at this time he states that his father is William Smith, deceased contractor. I have tried to find either my grandfather, great grandfather or gg grandfather in either 1861, 1851 or 1841. But the common name and a positive lack of a place are not helping. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you June Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =

Thanks Maggie As far as I am aware the census information is the only information I can go by. My ggrandfather's marriage certificate in 1867 says that his father William Smith, contractor is deceased. My grandfather's marriage certificate in 1906 says that his father is Charles Smith, coal miner, deceased, but his birth certificate says his father is Thomas Smith. I don't know what else to go on. But thanks for your reply. Regards - June -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of maggiemole@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2011 5:34 PM To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WRY] SMITH June, Anyone researching Smiths has my sympathy! This may be a ridiculous suggestion, but might it be that Thomas and Charles are the same person? There are such a number of possible birth places which you quote, but Haywood Little and Little Hawswood do have some similarity. Also Little Haywood is in Staffordshire, Little Hawswood is somewhere I can't locate. Are you only able to go by census information? It's a bit limiting especially in a case like this. good luck! Maggie -----Original Message----- From: June Chan <mai_ling@aapt.net.au> To: WEST-RIDING-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 4:22 Subject: [WRY] SMITH I am reposting my brick wall in the hope that new eyes or a new look with old eyes might be able to give me any hints for further checking. Below is the information I have: My grandfather Thomas Smith born 1885, Millhouses Darfield, married in 1906, by which time his father has died and his mother has remarried a Charles Smith (still trying to find out if they are related). Thomas' father is also Thomas. 1871 census my ggrandfather is with his wife Susan in Rotherham. Susan is from Staffordshire. Thomas says he was born in Leeds. He is 24. 1881 census he is with his wife and family in Darfield and says he was born in Haywood Little Yorkshire. He is 35 By 1891 he must have died as his family are with Charles Smith in Rotheram, Charles says he was born in Little Hawswood Yorkshire In 1901 the family are all together but this time Charles says he was born in Dudley. Thomas married Sussanah (Susan) Marston in Dudley in 1867 at this time he states that his father is William Smith, deceased contractor. I have tried to find either my grandfather, great grandfather or gg grandfather in either 1861, 1851 or 1841. But the common name and a positive lack of a place are not helping. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you June Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message = Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message