Hi Gordon and all who replied so helpfully, Many thanks for all your inputs, I've sent the image on to Gordon separately, but some of you found it.One suggestion is that Nanny's middle name is Hils - it does read like that, and I wonder if anyone has come across this as a female name before? I haven't, except as a nickname for Hilary. I love the birth suggestion you give below, Gordon. Previously I had found one in Illingworth five years later, same father, and was wondering if this could be a late baptism. The answer is clearly yes! I do wonder whether they thought the first one hadn't "taken". Nanny and John only had 2 known children, but her son had a son he named Nathan, so to me this is pretty good evidence the suggestion is right. I continue to wonder about John Thomas "Junr", despite most people reading it as that. My reservation is not because it was only an American usage: it was common in England too where father and son had the same name and both were alive together. But it wasn't part of the name as it is in the US, just a handy extra label when dealing with officials. No, it's because the only birth record I find for John is to a father William, and this implies there would have been no need for the label. Does the first letter look like the J in John? I can't be sure. Any additional thoughts are welcome! Thank you all so much for your help Maggie -----Original Message----- From: gordon dyson <gordon.dyson@gmail.com> To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 22:36 Subject: Re: [WRY] Halifax fiche marriages 'ello, Maggie, I have Fiche for this period ........ However, the date for record 558 is 20th AUGUST 1822 (Not October) and notes are given are : The name is John Thomas, but in the signature, it seems to say John Thomas "Jun" There is NO middle name listed for Nanny Isles, but a "note" gives the info. that this is the only record in this volume, where the Bride is not shown as either Spinster or Widow. In my IGI, there is a Baptism of a Nancy ISLES, d/o Nathan ISLES, 12 Mar 1797 at Halifax Square Chapel. Regards, Gordon. On 4 July 2011 20:02, <maggiemole@aol.com> wrote: > > > > Does anyone have a fiche copy of the Halifax St John's marriage register? I'm looking at page 186, October 20th 1822, and a marriage between John Thomas and Nanny xxxx Isles both of Ovenden. Nanny signs rather than makes a mark and includes in her signature a middle name, which I cannot make out (I've been using the new Ancestry West Yorkshire Parish Records). I'm hoping the fiche will make it a little clearer than the online image. Can anyone help, please? > Many thanks - Maggie > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message