Hi June, This gets more and more mysterious. As you hadn't mentioned the 1911 census, I took the liberty of finding Susan and her family then: here it is. DAVIES, GEORGE HEAD MARRIED M 27 COAL MINER HEWER NORMANTON YORKSHIRE DAVIES, SUSANNAH WIFE MARRIED F 24 DARFIELD YORKSHIRE DAVIES, SUSANNAH DAUGHTER F 3 THURNSCOE YORKSHIRE DAVIES, FLORENCE MAY DAUGHTER F 2 THURNSCOE YORKSHIRE SMITH, SUSAN MOTHER IN LAW MARRIED F 63 CLAY HILLS SHROPSHIRE SMITH, JACK SON SINGLE M 19 ASSISTANT BANKSMAN COLLIERY ABOVE GROUND GREASEBORO YORKSHIRE TURTON, EMILY ADOPTED DAUGHTER SINGLE F 19 JUMP YORKSHIRE HUGHES, WILLIAM BOARDER WIDOWER M 61 COLLIERY LABOURER ABOVE GROUND BLACK HEATH STAFFORDSHIRE SMITH SUSAN (RG14PN28182 RG78PN1609 RD512 SD2 ED26 SN327) Address 59 WHITWORTHS BLDS THURNSCOE EAST NEAR ROTHERHAM County Yorkshire West Riding District Doncaster Subdistrict Barnbrough Enumeration District 26 Parish Thurnscoe As the family are in Thurnscoe, I assume they did not move from there between 1901 and 1911. Yet the only Smith death registered in Doncaster between 1901 and 1911 with a birth date of 1848 plus or minus 2 is Thomas. Do you have the certificate below to rule him out? Thomas Smith est birth year about 1850, Jan-Feb-Mar 1905, Doncaster, age at death 55, vol 9c page 49. Widening the birth date net to five years, there is also a Charles, died Jan-Feb-Mar 1911 est birth year about 1843, Doncaster, vol 9c page 578. Susan says she is still married in 1911 but this contradicts your grandfather's marriage information. Frustratingly, she does not say how many years she had been married! Emily Turton seems to have come from nowhere: I don't know where she was in 1901, can't find an obvious candidate. Do you know Susan's maiden name? (Should be on your grandfather's birth certificate). It might help decide both marriages. But I still feel the two men are one and the same. There's only one Little Haywood or anything like it, and it is in Staffordshire not Yorkshire, despite what the enumerator wrote down. (someone else is bound to contradict such a flat statement!) Two certificates isn't much of a price if it solves a ten-year-old mystery for you. best wishes Maggie -----Original Message----- From: June Chan <mai_ling@aapt.net.au> To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:40 Subject: Re: [WRY] SMITH Thanks Maggie As far as I am aware the census information is the only information I can go by. My ggrandfather's marriage certificate in 1867 says that his father William Smith, contractor is deceased. My grandfather's marriage certificate in 1906 says that his father is Charles Smith, coal miner, deceased, but his birth certificate says his father is Thomas Smith. I don't know what else to go on. But thanks for your reply. Regards - June -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of maggiemole@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2011 5:34 PM To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WRY] SMITH June, Anyone researching Smiths has my sympathy! This may be a ridiculous suggestion, but might it be that Thomas and Charles are the same person? There are such a number of possible birth places which you quote, but Haywood Little and Little Hawswood do have some similarity. Also Little Haywood is in Staffordshire, Little Hawswood is somewhere I can't locate. Are you only able to go by census information? It's a bit limiting especially in a case like this. good luck! Maggie -----Original Message----- From: June Chan <mai_ling@aapt.net.au> To: WEST-RIDING-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 4:22 Subject: [WRY] SMITH I am reposting my brick wall in the hope that new eyes or a new look with old eyes might be able to give me any hints for further checking. Below is the information I have: My grandfather Thomas Smith born 1885, Millhouses Darfield, married in 1906, by which time his father has died and his mother has remarried a Charles Smith (still trying to find out if they are related). Thomas' father is also Thomas. 1871 census my ggrandfather is with his wife Susan in Rotherham. Susan is from Staffordshire. Thomas says he was born in Leeds. He is 24. 1881 census he is with his wife and family in Darfield and says he was born in Haywood Little Yorkshire. He is 35 By 1891 he must have died as his family are with Charles Smith in Rotheram, Charles says he was born in Little Hawswood Yorkshire In 1901 the family are all together but this time Charles says he was born in Dudley. Thomas married Sussanah (Susan) Marston in Dudley in 1867 at this time he states that his father is William Smith, deceased contractor. I have tried to find either my grandfather, great grandfather or gg grandfather in either 1861, 1851 or 1841. But the common name and a positive lack of a place are not helping. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you June Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message = Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message