I don't think I've seen this site mentioned on the list: http://www.hearthtax.org.uk/ Well worth a look if you're getting back towards 1672 in Durham, Kent, Surrey or WRY. Best Wishes, Andy.

On Sun, 6 Feb 2011, at around 21:28:10 local time, Andy Micklethwaite <andy.mick@googlemail.com> wrote: >I don't think I've seen this site mentioned on the list: >http://www.hearthtax.org.uk/ >Well worth a look if you're getting back towards 1672 in Durham, Kent, >Surrey or WRY. Dear Andy and all, I have had a look, and found the following: Mawson: George,OS ; James,STEW ; John,CL ,CL ,CL ,CL ,CL ; Mark,CL ; Mary,STEW ; Richard,OS ; Thomas,SK ; William,CL ,CL The codes are decoded as follows: CL = Claro OS = Osgoldcross STEW = Staincliffe and Ewcross SK = Skyrack But - and here's the bit that I'm really struggling with - what can I do with this data, and what information can I draw from it? There seem to be dozens of potential ancestors, mostly in the Wapentake of Claro, which is just what I am after. I am trying to find the forebears of this chap, who was probably not born until 70 years after the hearth tax survey was taken:: Charles Mawson b. ???? m. 26/11/1758, Deborah Hardcastle (who was b. c. 1740, and who d. of the palsey, 17th November, 1812, "aged 72, widow, of Haystone Hall," and is buried at Bolton Percy) of the Parish of Ripon. d. 1786, buried at Bolton Percy 21st April, 1786 Farmer, of Warsell (West Riding), near Bishop Thornton in the Parish of Ripon. His forebears are reputed to have come from Rigton (West Riding) in the Parish of Kirkby Overblow, near Wetherby, although there is no known evidence for this. Shortly after his marriage he moved to Batrudding Green Farm at Appleton Roebuck (West Riding) in the Parish of Bolton Percy, near Tadcaster. All expert help and advice gratefully received! ATB -- Mike Michael Hargreave Mawson Born in the North Riding, but now a Soft Southern Jessie.

Hello Michael The Hearth Tax has been useful to me as it suggests that we aren't missing anyone from the trees we have - there's a very good match in terms of numbers, although the initials of the exempted trees are causing confusion until I can re-read all my notes. It also seems that all the branches came from Staincross, strongly suggesting no connections with Bingley or Wetherby (where there are more places called Micklethwaite) So looking at it from your perspective, if you haven't got all the branches back to that time, it may not be as useful yet. Ripon Historical Society have some Hearth Tax booklets - I found one for Agbrigg in Huddersfield Library - check their web site for coverage http://www.riponhistoricalsociety.org.uk/publications_hearth.htm These give the number of hearths taxed, and perhaps a little more information although at the moment I can't lay my hands on the piece of paper I scribbled the notes on to say what. Dom's comment on the jigsaw seems very apt - hopefully one day the other pieces will turn up. HTH Andy. At 16:48 07/02/2011, you wrote: >On Sun, 6 Feb 2011, at around 21:28:10 local time, Andy Micklethwaite ><andy.mick@googlemail.com> wrote: >>I don't think I've seen this site mentioned on the list: >>http://www.hearthtax.org.uk/ >>Well worth a look if you're getting back towards 1672 in Durham, Kent, >>Surrey or WRY. > >Dear Andy and all, > >I have had a look, and found the following: > >Mawson: George,OS ; James,STEW ; John,CL ,CL ,CL ,CL ,CL ; Mark,CL ; >Mary,STEW ; Richard,OS ; Thomas,SK ; >William,CL ,CL > >The codes are decoded as follows: > >CL = Claro >OS = Osgoldcross >STEW = Staincliffe and Ewcross >SK = Skyrack > >But - and here's the bit that I'm really struggling with - what can I do >with this data, and what information can I draw from it? There seem to >be dozens of potential ancestors, mostly in the Wapentake of Claro, >which is just what I am after. I am trying to find the forebears of >this chap, who was probably not born until 70 years after the hearth tax >survey was taken:: > >Charles Mawson >b. ???? >m. 26/11/1758, Deborah Hardcastle (who was b. c. 1740, and who d. of the >palsey, 17th November, 1812, "aged 72, widow, of Haystone Hall," and is >buried at Bolton Percy) of the Parish of Ripon. >d. 1786, buried at Bolton Percy 21st April, 1786 >Farmer, of Warsell (West Riding), near Bishop Thornton in the Parish of >Ripon. His forebears are reputed to have come from Rigton (West >Riding) in the Parish of Kirkby Overblow, near Wetherby, although there >is no known evidence for this. Shortly after his marriage he moved to >Batrudding Green Farm at Appleton Roebuck (West Riding) in the Parish of >Bolton Percy, near Tadcaster. > >All expert help and advice gratefully received! > >ATB >-- >Mike >Michael Hargreave Mawson >Born in the North Riding, but now a Soft Southern Jessie. > >Some useful websites - >FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ >FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ >FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > >Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki >http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mike The hearth tax records are used as a census, to guide genealogist in a direct to finding the origins of family surnames. Before the industrial revolution most people lived off the land and remained within a given area that was familiar to their way of life and family. The codes represent areas of Yorkshire call wakentake or hundreds. You need to find a map to see where they are and if they are the area that your family lived in. You can use the hearth as a guide as to where the surname you are interested could be found. Are the given names ones familiar to your family? If any are of interest you can look at parish records you may find the connection you are looking for. Or the connection maybe in parishes near by. Karen

If someone subscribes and can see this marriage, would you please have a go at the surname of the third witness? p. 293, #877 3 Feb 1834 Huddersfield between Charles Heywood and Harriet Sutcliffe. First two witness are Eliza Brook and, I think, Samuel Brook. The last one is Thomas something. When enlarged it seems to end in 'wate.' It is exciting just to finally see it as for many years these Huddersfield films weren't available in the US from the LDS. They only had up to 1812 and some scattered BTs. Thank you for any suggestions, Liane Fenimore

Oh, a hard one. Looks to me like it ends in 'elotwate'. Hard to say whether it begins with a 'W' or an old 'M'. It I put it all together it looks like 'Whikelotwate' but entering that with all kinds of ** didn't bring up anything. Marg >From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "lfenimore" <lfenimore@columbus.rr.com> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 6:48 AM Subject: [WRY] West Yorkshire Marriages and Banns on Ancestry If someone subscribes and can see this marriage, would you please have a go at the surname of the third witness? p. 293, #877 3 Feb 1834 Huddersfield between Charles Heywood and Harriet Sutcliffe. First two witness are Eliza Brook and, I think, Samuel Brook. The last one is Thomas something. When enlarged it seems to end in 'wate.' It is exciting just to finally see it as for many years these Huddersfield films weren't available in the US from the LDS. They only had up to 1812 and some scattered BTs. Thank you for any suggestions, Liane Fenimore

Thank you all three. I wondered if it was an attempt at Micklethwaite or some variation. I just can't figure out that first letter and his Thomas is really quite clear. Hadn't thought of E or H. Liane

That's an absolute corker - think you are right about the wate. Have printed it out and will keep looking Good luck Yvonne -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of lfenimore Sent: 15 August 2011 14:48 To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Subject: [WRY] West Yorkshire Marriages and Banns on Ancestry If someone subscribes and can see this marriage, would you please have a go at the surname of the third witness? p. 293, #877 3 Feb 1834 Huddersfield between Charles Heywood and Harriet Sutcliffe. First two witness are Eliza Brook and, I think, Samuel Brook. The last one is Thomas something. When enlarged it seems to end in 'wate.' It is exciting just to finally see it as for many years these Huddersfield films weren't available in the US from the LDS. They only had up to 1812 and some scattered BTs. Thank you for any suggestions, Liane Fenimore Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Possible suggestion Ebbletwate -- could be a attempt at Hebblethwaite ----- Original Message ----- From: "lfenimore" <lfenimore@columbus.rr.com> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 2:48 PM Subject: [WRY] West Yorkshire Marriages and Banns on Ancestry > If someone subscribes and can see this marriage, would you please have a go > at the surname of the third witness? > > p. 293, #877 3 Feb 1834 Huddersfield between Charles Heywood and Harriet > Sutcliffe. First two witness are Eliza Brook and, I think, Samuel Brook. > > The last one is Thomas something. When enlarged it seems to end in 'wate.' > > It is exciting just to finally see it as for many years these Huddersfield > films weren't available in the US from the LDS. They only had up to 1812 > and some scattered BTs. > > Thank you for any suggestions, > Liane Fenimore > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message >

Hi Liane. Having seen the other replies you have had giving possible names, I wonder if it could it be a badly written Micklethwaite or similar spelling of this surname? There does seem to me to be a small letter K at about the fourth letter from the left and there does not seem to be a small letter i in the wate part. I can't think what else it could be. Regards Jenny DeAngelis <<p. 293, #877 3 Feb 1834 Huddersfield between Charles Heywood and Harriet Sutcliffe. First two witness are Eliza Brook and, I think, Samuel Brook. The last one is Thomas something. When enlarged it seems to end in 'wate.'>>

Mickelthwate is a valid variation - the German branch use it! Another -thwaite that comes to mind is Postlethwaite but without seeing the image I can't be of much assistance (not that I'm any good at reading these images anyway!) Hebblethwaite certainly sounds feasible too. I can't see any Micklethwaites at that time with Heywood or Sutcliffe connections, but of course the witness could be a friend. HTH Andy. At 21:02 15/08/2011, you wrote: >Hi Liane. > >Having seen the other replies you have had giving possible names, I wonder >if it could it be a badly written Micklethwaite or similar spelling of this >surname? There does seem to me to be a small letter K at about the fourth >letter from the left and there does not seem to be a small letter i in the >wate part. I can't think what else it could be. > >Regards >Jenny DeAngelis > ><<p. 293, #877 3 Feb 1834 Huddersfield between Charles Heywood and Harriet >Sutcliffe. First two witness are Eliza Brook and, I think, Samuel Brook. >The last one is Thomas something. When enlarged it seems to end in >'wate.'>> > > > >Some useful websites - >FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ >FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ >FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > >Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki >http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hmm.....I can't read it either. Thomas W..........wate or ....uate. I did a very brief search of the 1841 census for Thomas ****wate in Huddersfield and didn't find him, but I wasn't at all thorough. This would be my suggestion. Brenda On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 3:48 PM, lfenimore <lfenimore@columbus.rr.com>wrote: > If someone subscribes and can see this marriage, would you please have a go > at the surname of the third witness? > > p. 293, #877 3 Feb 1834 Huddersfield between Charles Heywood and Harriet > Sutcliffe. First two witness are Eliza Brook and, I think, Samuel Brook. > > The last one is Thomas something. When enlarged it seems to end in 'wate.' > > It is exciting just to finally see it as for many years these Huddersfield > films weren't available in the US from the LDS. They only had up to 1812 > and some scattered BTs. > > Thank you for any suggestions, > Liane Fenimore > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Have looked through some of the districts where Brooks,Sutcliffes,Heywoods were living in 1841 (closest we can get with the census) - strangely no names ending in wate in the districts I went through so have to give up on this. Think it may be as someone has already said that Thomas couldn't spell - spelling tended to be very phonetic around this time anyway. Sorry not to be more help Yvonne -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of lfenimore Sent: 15 August 2011 14:48 To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Subject: [WRY] West Yorkshire Marriages and Banns on Ancestry If someone subscribes and can see this marriage, would you please have a go at the surname of the third witness? p. 293, #877 3 Feb 1834 Huddersfield between Charles Heywood and Harriet Sutcliffe. First two witness are Eliza Brook and, I think, Samuel Brook. The last one is Thomas something. When enlarged it seems to end in 'wate.' It is exciting just to finally see it as for many years these Huddersfield films weren't available in the US from the LDS. They only had up to 1812 and some scattered BTs. Thank you for any suggestions, Liane Fenimore Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message