Hi everyone Thankyou for the Sarah Hinks birth and marriage to Robert te other day Ian, it is mine, however we still cannot understand how she was christened in 1836 when it is documented in family info on several occasions that she was born May 1837? Oh well. Also the Dewsbury RO and the GRO have refunded me saying there is no death??? Sarah Taylor was on 1901 living with husband Robert in Thornhill Lees, Dewsbury. He worked on the railways and retired jam 1908 after she had died. Can anyone else on here find her death between 1901 to 1908? It would be Dewsbury or Halifax. There may be a possibility it was after 1908 but doubt it as he apparently retired after her death and moved to live with his son in Sowerby bridge. Thank you, Louise Sent from my iPhone On 25 Jun 2011, at 08:01, west-riding-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Sarah Taylor Death (Ian Logan) > 2. this year's list of who is staring in Who Do You Think You > Are? (Maureenpontefhs) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 23:04:14 +0100 > From: "Ian Logan" <ian@logann.orangehome.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [WRY] Sarah Taylor Death > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Cc: qbangelcakes@aol.com > Message-ID: <E534419911C0417F9ED6C36F7FAC1A09@IanLoganPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hello Louise > > I have tried to find burial information about your Sarah Taylor, but with no > result so far. > > But I did find a Sarah Hinks bapt 17 July 1836 at Droylsden, Lancashire, > father Richard Hinks, mother Sarah Ann Hinks - probably yours as Sarah > Taylor is in 1901 census aged 64 and born Clayton, Lancs ( Droylsden and > Clayton are about 2km apart). (Source - www.familysearch.org) > > Also found Robert Taylor married Sarah Hinks last quarter 1859 in Ashton Reg > District ( ref Ashton 8d 713) - again probably yours. (Source www.freebmd) > > Maybe you know this already , apologies for overlap if so. > > Ian L > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Louise Wortley" <qbangelcakes@aol.com> > To: <West-riding@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 11:43 PM > Subject: [WRY] Sarah Taylor Death >> I was wondering if SKS would be able to help me. >> I am trying to obtain a death cert for my 3x great grandmother Sarah >> Taylor. >> She was born Sarah Hinks in Clayton Lancashire either 1836 or 1837, she >> lived with her husband Robert Taylor in Thornhill Lees near Dewsbury, as >> he worked on the railway. i know from my grandfather that when Sarah died, >> Robert retired and moved to Sowerby, Halifax, to live with his son, my >> grandfathers father. I know for certain that he retired Janunary of 1908 >> as we have his retirement gift saying so. he then died a few months later >> in 1908. >> So my problem is i can find only 1 record which matches, that of a death >> in Dewsbury in 1907, Dewsbury told me the husband did not match, and would >> not tell me who the person was who registered the death, only that it was >> the lady's husband. so i now paid for the general registry office to do a >> whole search for west yorkshire, i know they are either going to say no, >> or that they found the Dewsbury one. Anyway it is taking too long, so i >> wondered if anyone on here could help re with a record of death or parish >> register etc. >> It is funny that this Dewsbury one not only matches date wise for her >> birth, but this death occurred the last quarter of 1907, and my 3 x great >> grandfather retired Jan 1908, and he did retire when she died. So i want >> to find a way of finding if this would be the death as Dewsbury RO will >> not help me. >> I keep checking Dewsbury and Halifax and it is only that same death which >> matches. >> I look forward to your replies. >> Regards >> Louise > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 20:54:53 -0400 > From: Maureenpontefhs <maureenpontefhs@aol.com> > Subject: [WRY] this year's list of who is staring in Who Do You Think > You Are? > To: WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8CE00E9A14687BF-820-A8E5@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > J.K.ROWLING - author (Harry Potter) > > JUNE BROWN - actress (Dot Cotton - Eastenders) > ALAN CARR - comedian > SEB COE - athlete > LARRY LAMB - actor (eg. Archie Mitchell - Eastenders) > EMILIA FOX - actress (eg. 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HI Louise, <<Also the Dewsbury RO and the GRO have refunded me saying there is no death??? Sarah Taylor was on 1901 living with husband Robert in Thornhill Lees, Dewsbury. He worked on the railways and retired jam 1908 after she had died. Can anyone else on here find her death between 1901 to 1908? It would be Dewsbury or Halifax. There may be a possibility it was after 1908 but doubt it as he apparently retired after her death and moved to live with his son in Sowerby bridge.>> Why are you so sure she died in either Dewsbury or Halifax registration districts? She could have died anywhere in the country. The fact that you can't find her death in the indexes to date in either of those areas might point to the fact that she died elsewhere. Her husband worked for the railway as you say, he would perhaps have got free travel on the railway and either free travel or travel concessions for his family. So maybe the couple went away by train to somewhere else, perhaps a little holiday or a visit to family or friends, and she died while away from home. Maybe, as she seems to have been born in Lancashire, she had gone to Lancashire to visit family or friends? I would look in that County for her death and around the Droyslden/Carlton areas to begin with. People don't always die in the area in which they have lived all their lives. I have a couple of people who died away from their home area, one from County Durham died in Suffolk which are quite a distance apart. But he was buried back in Co. Durham in his home town. It took me a while to find his death registration. His wife had died earlier on but not in their then home town of North Shields but in the Gateshead area in County Durham,on the other side of the River Tyne. Again it took me a long time to find her death reg. Having said all of that, I believe that FreeBMD are still working on transcribing the GRO index of Death so that it is not yet complete for all years. <<Sarah Hinks birth and marriage to Robert the other day Ian, it is mine, however we still cannot understand how she was christened in 1836 when it is documented in family info on several occasions that she was born May 1837? Oh well.>> In the 1901 census Sarah is shown as 64, The 1901 census was taken on 31st March. If she was baptised in July then maybe her birth date had been during April to July and so by the time of the 1901 census in March she would not have passed her 65 birthday which was to come later that year. If she was 65 sometime after March 31st 1901 then that puts her as born 1836 rather than 1837. Perhaps the family documentation you speak of was created out of the misapprehension that she was born in 1837 because her husband gave the wrong age at death for his wife? He might not have known her absolutely correct age, maybe he didn't know, or couldn't remember, when he birthday was so wasn't really certain of her age at death. He was very likely the informant on her death registration and the rest of the family would perhaps go by what he said and didn't question it, why would they? Information on death registration is only as good as the informants knowledge. Looking at the earlier census Sarah is noted in the 1881 as 44 again born 1837 rather than 1836 but possibly due to turn 45 a little later that year. The 1881 was taken 3rd. April. In the 1841 census Sarah Hinks is with her parents Richard and Sarah and is shown aged 4. The 1841 was taken 6th June that year. Sarah might have been sometime between June 7th - 17th July 1836, the baptism date found for her. if so then this fits with her age of 4 in the 1841 census, she was waiting for her 5th birthday in a few weeks time. Perhaps the family documented Sarah's birth year as 1837 from her age in each census which does put her born 1837 but if her birthday fell after the census was taken in each of those years then it puts her born 1836. I would say between 7th June-17th July 1836, but I could of course be completely wrong. A look at the baptism register for her might give her birth date in the margin if you are lucky. The LDS might have films of those PRs if you search their library catalogue. You could then hire the relevant film at your nearest LDS centre and check the entry, and look for other entires for the Hinks family while you have the film to hand. It would stop you puzzling over her birth year perhaps and you could concentrate on her death and burial. But remember not to restrict yourself to an age at death for someone born exactly in 1837, be flexible with her age. Regards Jenny DeAngelis

I have found it very interesting that all the online sites (Ancestry, FindMyPast etc) with census details always subtract the person's age from the census year to get a birth year. However, with the census generally taking place at end of March or early April, there is only a 25% chance that they have calculated the correct year, while there is a 75% chance that it is the previous year. Think about it. At census time (ie 1881) there is a period of 9 months (April to December) during which the person will have their next birthday but only 3 months (January to March) that it will be the following year. So there is a 3 in 4 chance that the birth year would be calculated correctly if the age was subtracted from the previous year to the census date (ie 1880). When I am looking for a Birth Reference I always look first at the earlier year. And again, the starting age is always only as good as someone's memory or knowledge. Mel Smith Whitby, Ontario, Canada. <snip> Looking at the earlier census Sarah is noted in the 1881 as 44 again born 1837 rather than 1836 but possibly due to turn 45 a little later that year. The 1881 was taken 3rd. April. In the 1841 census Sarah Hinks is with her parents Richard and Sarah and is shown aged 4. The 1841 was taken 6th June that year. Sarah might have been sometime between June 7th - 17th July 1836, the baptism date found for her. if so then this fits with her age of 4 in the 1841 census, she was waiting for her 5th birthday in a few weeks time. Perhaps the family documented Sarah's birth year as 1837 from her age in each census which does put her born 1837 but if her birthday fell after the census was taken in each of those years then it puts her born 1836. I would say between 7th June-17th July 1836, but I could of course be completely wrong. A look at the baptism register for her might give her birth date in the margin if you are lucky. The LDS might have films of those PRs if you search their library catalogue. You could then hire the relevant film at your nearest LDS centre and check the entry, and look for other entires for the Hinks family while you have the film to hand. It would stop you puzzling over her birth year perhaps and you could concentrate on her death and burial. But remember not to restrict yourself to an age at death for someone born exactly in 1837, be flexible with her age. <snip>