Antony, Gosh yes. I had missed this one. On the birth Certificate the name is Gray, so someone has altered the name to Grey in Free BMD or in the original record. Many thanks. A lesson to be learnt! Antony A. Watkinson PS both without the "H" !!! On 15 Nov 2011, at 08:01, west-riding-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Today's Topics: > > 1. Arthur Gray (Antony Arthur Watkinson) > 2. Re: Arthur Gray (C5D) > 3. Knaresborough parish registers on Ancestry (Anne Harley) > > From: Antony Arthur Watkinson <a.a.watkinson@talktalk.net> > Date: 14 November 2011 19:49:46 GMT > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WRY] Arthur Gray > Reply-To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > > > I have the birth Certificate for the above, but Free BMD throws up > "no matches". > > The Certificate shows his birth as 9th April 1839 at Barnsley > Yorkshire. He shows up on 1851 and 1861 Census, and then disappears > entirely. He had 4 sons and a daughter. He supposedly married > Guilelma West who bore these children. She later married Arthur > Whitaker in Oltey. I can find no record of his death. > > > Any ideas ? > > Tony Watkinson > > (A.A. Watkinson) > > > > > From: "C5D" <antonylambert@c5d.co.uk> > Date: 14 November 2011 20:14:17 GMT > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [WRY] Arthur Gray > Reply-To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > > > What's wrong with this one ? > > > Births Jun 1839 (>99%) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > Grey Arthur Ecclesfield 22 148 > > > > Good Luck > > > Antony Lambert > > -----Original Message----- > From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Antony Arthur > Watkinson > Sent: 14 November 2011 19:50 > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WRY] Arthur Gray > > > I have the birth Certificate for the above, but Free BMD throws up "no > matches". > > The Certificate shows his birth as 9th April 1839 at Barnsley > Yorkshire. He shows up on 1851 and 1861 Census, and then disappears > entirely. He had 4 sons and a daughter. He supposedly married Guilelma > West who bore these children. She later married Arthur Whitaker in > Oltey. I can find no record of his death. > > > Any ideas ? > > Tony Watkinson > > (A.A. Watkinson) > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > From: "Anne Harley" <Anne@eborel.co.uk> > Date: 14 November 2011 21:22:13 GMT > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [WRY] Knaresborough parish registers on Ancestry > Reply-To: anne@eborel.co.uk, west-riding@rootsweb.com > > > Hi all > > A point to bear in mind if considering signing up to Ancestry to > find PR > images for parishes which were originally in the West Riding but > post 1974 > moved to North Yorkshire, like Knaresborough, Harrogate and Kildwick > (where > I have interests). > > Unfortunately, post reorganisation, the records were handed over to > the > North Yorkshire Record Office based in Northallerton, so images will > not > available the film from WYAS which you can see on Ancestry. > > Regards > > Anne Harley > > > > > > > To contact the WEST-RIDING list administrator, send an email to > WEST-RIDING-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the WEST-RIDING mailing list, send an email to WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com > . > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the > email with no additional text.

Hi all A point to bear in mind if considering signing up to Ancestry to find PR images for parishes which were originally in the West Riding but post 1974 moved to North Yorkshire, like Knaresborough, Harrogate and Kildwick (where I have interests). Unfortunately, post reorganisation, the records were handed over to the North Yorkshire Record Office based in Northallerton, so images will not available the film from WYAS which you can see on Ancestry. Regards Anne Harley

What's wrong with this one ? Births Jun 1839 (>99%) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Grey Arthur Ecclesfield 22 148 Good Luck Antony Lambert -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Antony Arthur Watkinson Sent: 14 November 2011 19:50 To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Subject: [WRY] Arthur Gray I have the birth Certificate for the above, but Free BMD throws up "no matches". The Certificate shows his birth as 9th April 1839 at Barnsley Yorkshire. He shows up on 1851 and 1861 Census, and then disappears entirely. He had 4 sons and a daughter. He supposedly married Guilelma West who bore these children. She later married Arthur Whitaker in Oltey. I can find no record of his death. Any ideas ? Tony Watkinson (A.A. Watkinson) Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have the birth Certificate for the above, but Free BMD throws up "no matches". The Certificate shows his birth as 9th April 1839 at Barnsley Yorkshire. He shows up on 1851 and 1861 Census, and then disappears entirely. He had 4 sons and a daughter. He supposedly married Guilelma West who bore these children. She later married Arthur Whitaker in Oltey. I can find no record of his death. Any ideas ? Tony Watkinson (A.A. Watkinson)

Dear Maggie Many thanks for your suggestions. I will contact both Ancestry and the West Yorkshire Archives Service and see what they have to say. At least I know it's not just me who can't find this baptism! I realise that the original register is unlikely to give me more information than the IGI (though I may be pleasantly surprised!), but I do like to have a copy of the actual register entry wherever possible. Kind regards Lizzie  >________________________________ >From: "maggiemole@aol.com" <maggiemole@aol.com> >To: west-riding@rootsweb.com >Sent: Monday, 14 November 2011, 17:09 >Subject: Re: [WRY] WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 6, Issue 215 > > >I suggest you ask Ancestry via the Contact Us button - don't bother with the Help buttons. I have checked a few more names which appear in the IGI for C058891 (Knaresborough) within the early time period up to 1812, and they don't come up at all on Ancestry either - and I used just the names, not the location, so it doesn't look like an indexing error. I suspect you are right in thinking the register has not been fully transcribed. > >You might also get some help from the West Yorkshire Archives Service in Wakefield who have been working with Ancestry on this digitisation: if they didn't have the records themselves, they wouldn't have been able to let Ancestry have them. I know Genuki says the BTs were at Leeds for the period in question, but it's worth asking: perhaps it was only the records at Wakefield they could use. > >Good luck! >maggie > > > > > >> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 21:24:59 +0000 (GMT) >> From: Elizabeth Allen <lizziecallen@yahoo.co.uk> >> Subject: [WRY] Knaresborough parish registers on Ancestry (SIZER) >> >> I have just rejoined Ancestry and was hoping to find the original  >> parish register entry for a baptism that I had found in the IGI on  >> FamilySearch. It was for Richard SIZER bpt 1 May 1767 in the parish  >> of Knaresborough. >> >> So far, I have been unable to find the baptism in question despite  >> looking carefully through what purports to be the registers  >> of ?"Knaresborough and Harrogate". Can anyone suggest why I can't  >> find it? Has Ancestry indexed the Knaresborough registers under a  >> different name? Or are the Knaresborough registers incomplete? >> >> I'm not familiar with this area and would be very grateful for any  >> help or suggestions that listers might be able to offer. >> >> Many thanks >> >> Lizzie Allen >> >> Cambridge >> >> ------------------------------ > >

Dear Janet Thank you for your input. Another lister has suggested that I contact both Ancestry and the West Yorkshire Archives Service in Wakefield (who worked with Ancestry on the digitisation) to see what they have to say. I'll report back to the List when I've had some answers. Many thanks too for your offer to look at the film of the BTs - it's much appreciated. Kind regards Lizzie >________________________________ >From: janet thomas <janetsthomas@gmail.com> >To: west-riding@rootsweb.com >Sent: Monday, 14 November 2011, 14:12 >Subject: Re: [WRY] WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 6, Issue 215 > >I looked at what purports to be the registers of Knaresborough and  >Harrogate and I agree that this just cannot be right. There are only 2  >pages and whatever it is has to be a tiny chapel as it covers several  >years in two small pages. Knaresborough and Harrogate are not and were  >not tiny. The IGI listing is from the BTS. Hopefully, someone has  >located the REAL registers of Karesborough. If not, I can look this up  >in the BTS when I get to Salt Lake in January. > >Janet Thomas > >> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 21:24:59 +0000 (GMT) >> From: Elizabeth Allen <lizziecallen@yahoo.co.uk> >> Subject: [WRY] Knaresborough parish registers on Ancestry (SIZER) >> To: "WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com" <WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com> > >> I have just rejoined Ancestry and was hoping to find the original  >> parish register entry for a baptism that I had found in the IGI on  >> FamilySearch. It was for Richard SIZER bpt 1 May 1767 in the parish  >> of Knaresborough. >> >> So far, I have been unable to find the baptism in question despite  >> looking carefully through what purports to be the registers  >> of ?"Knaresborough and Harrogate". Can anyone suggest why I can't  >> find it? Has Ancestry indexed the Knaresborough registers under a  >> different name? Or are the Knaresborough registers incomplete? >> >> I'm not familiar with this area and would be very grateful for any  >> help or suggestions that listers might be able to offer. >> >> Many thanks >> >> Lizzie Allen >> >> Cambridge >> > >

PS I don't know what you hope to find which is not contained in the IGI record: the baptism data at that time is only likely to give a father's name (which is quoted, Thos) not a mother, there will probably be no address but there may be a township. But if you just want to joy of seeing the actual entry, then it's worth pursuing! Maggie -----Original Message----- From: maggiemole <maggiemole@aol.com> To: west-riding <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:11 Subject: Re: [WRY] WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 6, Issue 215 I suggest you ask Ancestry via the Contact Us button - don't bother with the Help buttons. I have checked a few more names which appear in the IGI for C058891 (Knaresborough) within the early time period up to 1812, and they don't come up at all on Ancestry either - and I used just the names, not the location, so it doesn't look like an indexing error. I suspect you are right in thinking the register has not been fully transcribed. You might also get some help from the West Yorkshire Archives Service in Wakefield who have been working with Ancestry on this digitisation: if they didn't have the records themselves, they wouldn't have been able to let Ancestry have them. I know Genuki says the BTs were at Leeds for the period in question, but it's worth asking: perhaps it was only the records at Wakefield they could use. Good luck! maggie -----Original Message----- From: janet thomas <janetsthomas@gmail.com> To: west-riding <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:15 Subject: Re: [WRY] WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 6, Issue 215 I looked at what purports to be the registers of Knaresborough and Harrogate and I agree that this just cannot be right. There are only 2 pages and whatever it is has to be a tiny chapel as it covers several years in two small pages. Knaresborough and Harrogate are not and were not tiny. The IGI listing is from the BTS. Hopefully, someone has located the REAL registers of Karesborough. If not, I can look this up in the BTS when I get to Salt Lake in January. Janet Thomas On Nov 14, 2011, at 3:01 AM, WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Knaresborough parish registers on Ancestry (SIZER) > (Elizabeth Allen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 21:24:59 +0000 (GMT) > From: Elizabeth Allen <lizziecallen@yahoo.co.uk> > Subject: [WRY] Knaresborough parish registers on Ancestry (SIZER) > To: "WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com" <WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1321219499.91407.YahooMailNeo@web27104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > I have just rejoined Ancestry and was hoping to find the original > parish register entry for a baptism that I had found in the IGI on > FamilySearch. It was for Richard SIZER bpt 1 May 1767 in the parish > of Knaresborough. > > So far, I have been unable to find the baptism in question despite > looking carefully through what purports to be the registers > of ?"Knaresborough and Harrogate". Can anyone suggest why I can't > find it? Has Ancestry indexed the Knaresborough registers under a > different name? Or are the Knaresborough registers incomplete? > > I'm not familiar with this area and would be very grateful for any > help or suggestions that listers might be able to offer. > > Many thanks > > Lizzie Allen > > Cambridge > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the WEST-RIDING list administrator, send an email to > WEST-RIDING-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the WEST-RIDING mailing list, send an email to WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com > . > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 6, Issue 215 > ******************************************* Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I suggest you ask Ancestry via the Contact Us button - don't bother with the Help buttons. I have checked a few more names which appear in the IGI for C058891 (Knaresborough) within the early time period up to 1812, and they don't come up at all on Ancestry either - and I used just the names, not the location, so it doesn't look like an indexing error. I suspect you are right in thinking the register has not been fully transcribed. You might also get some help from the West Yorkshire Archives Service in Wakefield who have been working with Ancestry on this digitisation: if they didn't have the records themselves, they wouldn't have been able to let Ancestry have them. I know Genuki says the BTs were at Leeds for the period in question, but it's worth asking: perhaps it was only the records at Wakefield they could use. Good luck! maggie -----Original Message----- From: janet thomas <janetsthomas@gmail.com> To: west-riding <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:15 Subject: Re: [WRY] WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 6, Issue 215 I looked at what purports to be the registers of Knaresborough and Harrogate and I agree that this just cannot be right. There are only 2 pages and whatever it is has to be a tiny chapel as it covers several years in two small pages. Knaresborough and Harrogate are not and were not tiny. The IGI listing is from the BTS. Hopefully, someone has located the REAL registers of Karesborough. If not, I can look this up in the BTS when I get to Salt Lake in January. Janet Thomas On Nov 14, 2011, at 3:01 AM, WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Knaresborough parish registers on Ancestry (SIZER) > (Elizabeth Allen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 21:24:59 +0000 (GMT) > From: Elizabeth Allen <lizziecallen@yahoo.co.uk> > Subject: [WRY] Knaresborough parish registers on Ancestry (SIZER) > To: "WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com" <WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1321219499.91407.YahooMailNeo@web27104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > I have just rejoined Ancestry and was hoping to find the original > parish register entry for a baptism that I had found in the IGI on > FamilySearch. It was for Richard SIZER bpt 1 May 1767 in the parish > of Knaresborough. > > So far, I have been unable to find the baptism in question despite > looking carefully through what purports to be the registers > of ?"Knaresborough and Harrogate". Can anyone suggest why I can't > find it? Has Ancestry indexed the Knaresborough registers under a > different name? Or are the Knaresborough registers incomplete? > > I'm not familiar with this area and would be very grateful for any > help or suggestions that listers might be able to offer. > > Many thanks > > Lizzie Allen > > Cambridge > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the WEST-RIDING list administrator, send an email to > WEST-RIDING-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the WEST-RIDING mailing list, send an email to WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com > . > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 6, Issue 215 > ******************************************* Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I looked at what purports to be the registers of Knaresborough and Harrogate and I agree that this just cannot be right. There are only 2 pages and whatever it is has to be a tiny chapel as it covers several years in two small pages. Knaresborough and Harrogate are not and were not tiny. The IGI listing is from the BTS. Hopefully, someone has located the REAL registers of Karesborough. If not, I can look this up in the BTS when I get to Salt Lake in January. Janet Thomas On Nov 14, 2011, at 3:01 AM, WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Knaresborough parish registers on Ancestry (SIZER) > (Elizabeth Allen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 21:24:59 +0000 (GMT) > From: Elizabeth Allen <lizziecallen@yahoo.co.uk> > Subject: [WRY] Knaresborough parish registers on Ancestry (SIZER) > To: "WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com" <WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1321219499.91407.YahooMailNeo@web27104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > I have just rejoined Ancestry and was hoping to find the original > parish register entry for a baptism that I had found in the IGI on > FamilySearch. It was for Richard SIZER bpt 1 May 1767 in the parish > of Knaresborough. > > So far, I have been unable to find the baptism in question despite > looking carefully through what purports to be the registers > of ?"Knaresborough and Harrogate". Can anyone suggest why I can't > find it? Has Ancestry indexed the Knaresborough registers under a > different name? Or are the Knaresborough registers incomplete? > > I'm not familiar with this area and would be very grateful for any > help or suggestions that listers might be able to offer. > > Many thanks > > Lizzie Allen > > Cambridge > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the WEST-RIDING list administrator, send an email to > WEST-RIDING-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the WEST-RIDING mailing list, send an email to WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com > . > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 6, Issue 215 > *******************************************

I have just rejoined Ancestry and was hoping to find the original parish register entry for a baptism that I had found in the IGI on FamilySearch. It was for Richard SIZER bpt 1 May 1767 in the parish of Knaresborough. So far, I have been unable to find the baptism in question despite looking carefully through what purports to be the registers of  "Knaresborough and Harrogate". Can anyone suggest why I can't find it? Has Ancestry indexed the Knaresborough registers under a different name? Or are the Knaresborough registers incomplete? I'm not familiar with this area and would be very grateful for any help or suggestions that listers might be able to offer. Many thanks Lizzie Allen Cambridge

I wondered if any one has any information of a Latham Huckle b 1880 in Selby?. Parents Joseph Huckle and Sarah Latham. I cannot find anything about him after 1891 though I have seen a web site where he gave notice to men who were to enlist into the 11th Company Imperial Yeomanry. Also any information on a John Conway who married a Margaret Lowther (abt 1807 - 1844) in 1831 in Selby. Although Margaret had a child, Sarah Lowther Conway in 1832, I can see no evidence of John at all. Thanks Maggie Researching Huckle, Lowther, Latham, Conway, Curtis, Walton of Yorkshire and Ormond possibly born in Gloucestershire about 1871.

> From: Louise Wortley <qbangelcakes@aol.com> > Date: 7 November 2011 22:17:20 GMT > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 6, Issue 209 > > > Evening Everyone > > I am trying to find out where my great great grandparents Robert and SarahTaylor are buried, i am having no luck, i hope someone out there is able to help. > > Sarah Taylor died Wednesday 24th July 1907 at Wakefield Lunatic Asylum. Her body was removed from the hospital on the Saturday 27th July, and Buried Monday 29th July. But where? she was age 70. > > Robert died 27th July 1908 exactly 1 year after Sarah at the same age of 70, at the time of his death he was living at home in Sowerby Bridge. > > The family were living in Sowerby bridge for many generations. however on the 1901 census Robert and Sarah had moved to Thornhill Lees for Roberts work as an Engine Examiner on the railways. > > 1904 Sarah was in the Halifax Union Workhouse Hospital, and from there sent to Wakefield Lunatic Asylum due to Dementia. > > On the Asylum records her husband in one instance was living in Thornhill Lees, then not long after he was back in Sowerby Bridge where he had always lived, and one of his sons was. > > I had the Sowerby bridge or was it the Halifax family history society check for their burial, no match. I phoned the cemetery where his son and grandchildren were later buried. They checked 4 times and are not there. > > I then had Wakefield family history society check their records, and no match for a burrial. > > Is anyone able to check the Thornhill Lees burials, or give me some suggestions. > > Sarah cannot be with her parents as she was born Clayton Lancashire, then her parents seem to have moved to shropshire and died in a workhouse. Roberts ancestors will probably be in Droylsden, Lancashire where he was born. > > I doubt they are buried in the church grounds at the lunatic asylum, well he wont be, because he was not in there. but she had family also, if she is buried there, is there a way of finding out who is buried? > > I look forward to your help, > > Kind regards > > Louise

On Thu, 10 Nov 2011, at around 13:16:02 local time, Louise Wortley <qbangelcakes@aol.com> wrote: >Hello, > >I am hoping someone can help me, I have tried twice to post a message >to this list and it has not appeared in the digest, I have had no >problems in the past. > >I am wondering if someone could help. No need - it has worked this time! ATB -- Mike Michael Hargreave Mawson Born in the North Riding, but now a Soft Southern Jessie.

Hello, I am hoping someone can help me, I have tried twice to post a message to this list and it has not appeared in the digest, I have had no problems in the past. I am wondering if someone could help. Kind regards Louise Sent from my iPhone On 10 Nov 2011, at 08:01, west-riding-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Amos DYSON, c.1811 (STEVE@whitwam.freeserve.co.uk) > 2. 11.11.11 remembering Arthur PONSONBY (Maureenpontefhs) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 15:57:28 +0100 (CET) > From: STEVE@whitwam.freeserve.co.uk > Subject: Re: [WRY] Amos DYSON, c.1811 > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <3470041.100331320850648494.JavaMail.www@wwinf3714> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I have Amos Hirst born 1811 Longwood in my data base.... > > He was dedicated at Salendine Nook Baptist Church, Lindley, Hudds 4 sep 1811, he can be found on the 1851,61 censuses living at Hirst in Longwood a woollen weaver, so this one is not the Amos Hirst the baptist minister. > > He made a will 5 dec 1866 proved wakefield 18 dec 1866 and left ?100 > > Hope this helps > > Regards > > Steve Whitwam > Golcar, HUddersfield > http://www.whitwam.co.uk > > > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:58:35 +0000 > From: Gordon Dyson > Subject: Re: [WRY] Amos DYSON, c.1811 > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Thank you very much, Roy, I am now 99% sure that the BIRTH you gave > me, 4 Sep 1811 at Salendine Nook is the correct one. > > I did say that I had found 2 IGI entries, one of which is the same > date as yours, at Huddersfield, (Parish Church ?) also parent same as > James & Sally, but the one I found was Batch No 0442828. ?? I > presume that his "Birth" is in both Registers ? > > Do you agree that the marriage of his parents, is the one - 15 Apr > 1811, James DYSON to "Sarah" LEE at Huddersfield, (birth 6 months > later ?) > > This Amos is the Gt.grandfather of Sir Frank Watson DYSON, Astronomer Royal. > > Thank you again, > > Regards, > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 21:52:57 -0500 (EST) > From: Maureenpontefhs <maureenpontefhs@aol.com> > Subject: [WRY] 11.11.11 remembering Arthur PONSONBY > To: WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8CE6D6AFC8C36B5-116C-146EB6@webmail-d056.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > REMEMBERING my great, grandad Harry PONSONBY's younger brother Arthur was born 1896 in Tanshelf, > Pontefract to Harry Ponsonby & Harriet (nee Baggan) & was killed 24 Aug 1918 in France. > Arthur was a Gunner in the 120th Bty 27th Bde of the Royal Field Artillery. > He is Remembered with Honour at Lebucquiere Communal Cemetery, Pas de Calais, France > > > > > > > anyone else researching PONSONBY or BAGGAN > anyone else have a Gunner or some family in the Royal Field Artillery > > > wearing my poppy with pride for our fallen > > > Maureen > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the WEST-RIDING list administrator, send an email to > WEST-RIDING-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the WEST-RIDING mailing list, send an email to WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 6, Issue 212 > *******************************************

REMEMBERING my great, grandad Harry PONSONBY's younger brother Arthur was born 1896 in Tanshelf, Pontefract to Harry Ponsonby & Harriet (nee Baggan) & was killed 24 Aug 1918 in France. Arthur was a Gunner in the 120th Bty 27th Bde of the Royal Field Artillery. He is Remembered with Honour at Lebucquiere Communal Cemetery, Pas de Calais, France anyone else researching PONSONBY or BAGGAN anyone else have a Gunner or some family in the Royal Field Artillery wearing my poppy with pride for our fallen Maureen

I have Amos Hirst born 1811 Longwood in my data base.... He was dedicated at Salendine Nook Baptist Church, Lindley, Hudds 4 sep 1811, he can be found on the 1851,61 censuses living at Hirst in Longwood a woollen weaver, so this one is not the Amos Hirst the baptist minister. He made a will 5 dec 1866 proved wakefield 18 dec 1866 and left £100 Hope this helps Regards Steve Whitwam Golcar, HUddersfield http://www.whitwam.co.uk Message: 2 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:58:35 +0000 From: Gordon Dyson Subject: Re: [WRY] Amos DYSON, c.1811 To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thank you very much, Roy, I am now 99% sure that the BIRTH you gave me, 4 Sep 1811 at Salendine Nook is the correct one. I did say that I had found 2 IGI entries, one of which is the same date as yours, at Huddersfield, (Parish Church ?) also parent same as James & Sally, but the one I found was Batch No 0442828. ?? I presume that his "Birth" is in both Registers ? Do you agree that the marriage of his parents, is the one - 15 Apr 1811, James DYSON to "Sarah" LEE at Huddersfield, (birth 6 months later ?) This Amos is the Gt.grandfather of Sir Frank Watson DYSON, Astronomer Royal. Thank you again, Regards,

Evening Everyone I am trying to find out where my great great grandparents Robert and SarahTaylor are buried, i am having no luck, i hope someone out there is able to help. Sarah Taylor died Wednesday 24th July 1907 at Wakefield Lunatic Asylum. Her body was removed from the hospital on the Saturday 27th July, and Buried Monday 29th July. But where? she was age 70. Robert died 27th July 1908 exactly 1 year after Sarah at the same age of 70, at the time of his death he was living at home in Sowerby Bridge. The family were living in Sowerby bridge for many generations. however on the 1901 census Robert and Sarah had moved to Thornhill Lees for Roberts work as an Engine Examiner on the railways. 1904 Sarah was in the Halifax Union Workhouse Hospital, and from there sent to Wakefield Lunatic Asylum due to Dementia. On the Asylum records her husband in one instance was living in Thornhill Lees, then not long after he was back in Sowerby Bridge where he had always lived, and one of his sons was. I had the Sowerby bridge or was it the Halifax family history society check for their burial, no match. I phoned the cemetery where his son and grandchildren were later buried. They checked 4 times and are not there. I then had Wakefield family history society check their records, and no match for a burrial. Is anyone able to check the Thornhill Lees burials, or give me some suggestions. Sarah cannot be with her parents as she was born Clayton Lancashire, then her parents seem to have moved to shropshire and died in a workhouse. Roberts ancestors will probably be in Droylsden, Lancashire where he was born. I doubt they are buried in the church grounds at the lunatic asylum, well he wont be, because he was not in there. but she had family also, if she is buried there, is there a way of finding out who is buried? I look forward to your help, Kind regards Louise

On 7 Nov 2011 at 10:58, Gordon Dyson wrote: > Thank you very much, Roy, I am now 99% sure that the BIRTH you gave > me, 4 Sep 1811 at Salendine Nook is the correct one. > > I did say that I had found 2 IGI entries, one of which is the same > date as yours, at Huddersfield, (Parish Church ?) also parent same as > James & Sally, but the one I found was Batch No 0442828. ?? I > presume that his "Birth" is in both Registers ? > > Do you agree that the marriage of his parents, is the one - 15 Apr > 1811, James DYSON to "Sarah" LEE at Huddersfield, (birth 6 months > later ?) > > This Amos is the Gt.grandfather of Sir Frank Watson DYSON, Astronomer > Royal. > > Thank you again, > > Regards, > Gordon.> Gordon There are two other IGI entries for the birth of AMOS DYSON, son of James and Sally (or Salley) at Huddersfield but these are both LDS private submissions. By far the most reliable entry is the one that is an official extraction from the chapel records with the batch no. C093571. The submitted entries do not indicate any birth or baptism at Huddersfield Parish Church and it seems to me very likely that all three entries refer to the same event at Salendine Nook. However, I should draw your attention to another Amos Dyson, birth 5 Dec 1819 christening 25 Jan 1811 at High StreetChapel Methodist New Connexion, Huddersfield, son of Eli Dyson and Mary, batch no. C136071, which means it's also an officially extracted record. I think it more likely that the Amos son of James and Sally is your man, especially as he became a baptist minister, but you really ought to try and eliminate the other Amos if possible! The marriage of James Dyson and Sarah Lee at Huddersfield Parish Church on 15 Apr 1811 (batch no. M018508) certainly seems a possibility for "your" Amos's parents, given that Sally was an accepted pet-name for Sarah and also, of course, they couldn't possibly have been married in a nonconformist chapel at that time, all marriages except Jews and Quakers having to be in the C of E under Hardwick's Marriage Act 1753. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Jim - if you have a look at the Bradford family history society website http://www.bradfordfhs.org.uk/ Click onto their publications and you will see a cd for Shipley St. Paul's Churchyards & Hirst Wood Burial Ground follow the link and click surname search and you will then see that there is an entry on this cd for Butterfield 89 1829 - 1962 there is also a BUTTERFIELD at Undercliffe Cemetery, Bradford but I don't know if that is relevant! BUTTERFIELD 26 1856 - 1947 I've not checked the others but you may want to :0) regards kathryn Dr Kathryn Hughes www.westyorkshirelives.co.uk www.bradfordww1.co.uk > From: bfield751@msn.com > To: west-riding-l@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:17:57 -0500 > Subject: [WRY] (no subject) > > > Looking for cemeteries in the Shipley area. Looking specifically for Butterfield's in 1750's to 1830's. Should be several Williams, do not know wives names. Any help would be deeply appreciated. > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you very much, Roy, I am now 99% sure that the BIRTH you gave me, 4 Sep 1811 at Salendine Nook is the correct one. I did say that I had found 2 IGI entries, one of which is the same date as yours, at Huddersfield, (Parish Church ?) also parent same as James & Sally, but the one I found was Batch No 0442828. ?? I presume that his "Birth" is in both Registers ? Do you agree that the marriage of his parents, is the one - 15 Apr 1811, James DYSON to "Sarah" LEE at Huddersfield, (birth 6 months later ?) This Amos is the Gt.grandfather of Sir Frank Watson DYSON, Astronomer Royal. Thank you again, Regards, Gordon. On 6 November 2011 17:35, Roy Stockdill <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> wrote: > On 6 Nov 2011 at 14:14, Gordon Dyson wrote: > >> Can anyone help with the parents/ancestors of above Amos Dyson, born >> approx 1811 ?  He was later a Baptist Minister. >> >> 1841 Census says born "Staffordshire" >> >> 1851  says born Rawcliffe, Rotherham >> >> 1861 says born Almondbury, Huddersfield. >> >> Married Mary HARNEW, 4 Jun 1836 at Thorne, near Doncaster.. >> >> There are a couple of possible baptisms in 1811 at Huddersfield,  but >> as far as I know, Baptists did not baptise their children untill they >> were 10 or 12 years old ?? > > > He could, of course, have converted to the baptist cause later in life. Because he was a > Baptist minister doesn't necessarily mean that his parents were Baptists also. You must > remember that people dropped in and out of various denominations with regularity. > > I suggest the 1841 census (which is barely readable in the where born column) and 1851 > are probably administrative errors by the enumerator. His wife appears to have been born at > Rawcliffe. > > You don't mention the 1871, by which time he was widowed, but that states quite clearly > his birth place as "Armitage Fold", which is near Berry Brow and is/was in the Parish of > Almondbury. Therefore, the 1861 census is likely to be accurate. He died in 1873 at > Aylesbury registration district, where he had been a Baptist minister at Haddenham, Bucks. > > I am sure I don't have to tell you that DYSON is a very common surname indeed in the > Colne Valley - so good luck! However, the IGI does have an Amos DYSON, son of James > and Salley [sic], whose birth (not baptism) appears to have been recorded at Salendine > Nook Meeting House-Particular Baptist, Quarmby Cum Lindley, on 4 Sept 1811 (batch no. > C093571). This is a well-known nonconformist chapel in the Huddersfield area and easily > found with Google. There is a history online. > > Could I point out again that the IGI entry says it was a BIRTH record and not a christening? > So this wouldn't preclude him from being your man! > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >