Am in Ontario, Canada, still am in awe of this cyber stuff, in seconds we can reach out to anywhere in the world, what a blessing.... Warmest Wishes & thank you Ellen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mel wait" <kamoathome@hotmail.com> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] graveyard/cemetery > > Ellen Thank you for the kind words and the way they were written I am in > NZ North Island you are ?? Be safe always > > >> From: ellen.murray@sympatico.ca >> To: west-riding@rootsweb.com >> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:22:12 -0500 >> Subject: [WRY] graveyard/cemetery >> >> Well that may change things a little Alan thank you for the >> interpretation. Here a graveyard is a cemetery, they mean the same, >> attached to Church or otherwise. Some are owned privately & some by >> Municipality but all open to public. Unless of course it is strictly one >> Family owned. Also our abandoned Cemeteries are responsibility of >> Municipality, unfortunately there seem to be more & more abandoned >> Cemeteries due to many of our Churches closing. >> >> In this case then I suppose I should be asking about Graveyards for my >> Taylor Family. >> >> Ellen >> >> Some useful websites - >> FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ >> FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ >> FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ >> >> Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I wonder if anyone has any of these females in their tree. I am struggling to fit them in with Fred Tetley. I would appreciate any information that you can give. Cheers -- Christine Shelmerdine

It seems the Horsforth registers are also mixed up - they have been indexed as Harewood All Saints but I have found a page that clearly stated they are Horsforth chapel. but still we are lucky to have this online even with mistakes! kathryn Dr Kathryn Hughes westyorkshirelives.co.uk Bradfordww1.co.uk

thank you for the correction Maggie, I miscalculted that age range. thank you for seeing the baptism, Gordon, that's very tantilizing. now if only I could prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt!

There is a "SALLY" CLIFFORD, dau. of William Clifford, 6 Oct 1779 at Birstall (= 22 when married ??) Gordon. On 21 November 2011 21:22, <maggiemole@aol.com> wrote: > 1790 seems a bit of a late birth date for someone married in 1801. I'd take at least another 5 years before that into account. > Maggie > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fenenga <fenenga@connpoint.net> > To: west-riding <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:05 > Subject: Re: [WRY] Another mix up on Ancestry > > > > > I'm not knowledgable enough to be certain that these are > miss-filed, but there's a number of parishes/towns gathered under Leeds > at Ancestry, including Birstall, and when I spoke to Ancestry about > hundreds of missing Cliffords they just basically shrugged and told me > to expand my search criteria, which barely made any difference at all. I > think it went from no Cliffords to about 20 Cliffords, when the name > seems as common in Yorkshire as Smith is in all of England. in trying to > find the parents of Sarah Clifford, I ran into numerous ones, born > within 5 years of the estimated b. date of the Sarah I'm looking for, > and born within 10 miles of where my Sarah was married. if anyone's > research Cliffords in the Birstall/Armley/Batley/Hightown area, perhaps > there is a relation. > > Sarah Clifford/Clifforth m. 6 Apr 1801 Birstall, > by banns to Charles Murfitt > > estimate she was b. abt 1790+-5 years in > one of the towns listed above. > > Cornelia > > Oregon, USA > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Frank Edward and Clara HOYLE became Master and Matron of Deanhouse after serving as Porter and Portress at Crosland Moor. Their daughter, Lucie, was the mother of my aunt (Dad's half sister). My aunt died recently and I have found some HOYLE family photos and papers amongst her effects. Apparently Lucie had a brother, George Frederick, known in the family as Fred. From photos we know he became a soldier, possibly in the KOYLIs, but don't know if it was just WWI service or a career choice. If any descendants of Fred are out there and would be interesting in swapping information please get in touch. Graham

1790 seems a bit of a late birth date for someone married in 1801. I'd take at least another 5 years before that into account. Maggie -----Original Message----- From: fenenga <fenenga@connpoint.net> To: west-riding <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:05 Subject: Re: [WRY] Another mix up on Ancestry I'm not knowledgable enough to be certain that these are miss-filed, but there's a number of parishes/towns gathered under Leeds at Ancestry, including Birstall, and when I spoke to Ancestry about hundreds of missing Cliffords they just basically shrugged and told me to expand my search criteria, which barely made any difference at all. I think it went from no Cliffords to about 20 Cliffords, when the name seems as common in Yorkshire as Smith is in all of England. in trying to find the parents of Sarah Clifford, I ran into numerous ones, born within 5 years of the estimated b. date of the Sarah I'm looking for, and born within 10 miles of where my Sarah was married. if anyone's research Cliffords in the Birstall/Armley/Batley/Hightown area, perhaps there is a relation. Sarah Clifford/Clifforth m. 6 Apr 1801 Birstall, by banns to Charles Murfitt estimate she was b. abt 1790+-5 years in one of the towns listed above. Cornelia Oregon, USA Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm not knowledgable enough to be certain that these are miss-filed, but there's a number of parishes/towns gathered under Leeds at Ancestry, including Birstall, and when I spoke to Ancestry about hundreds of missing Cliffords they just basically shrugged and told me to expand my search criteria, which barely made any difference at all. I think it went from no Cliffords to about 20 Cliffords, when the name seems as common in Yorkshire as Smith is in all of England. in trying to find the parents of Sarah Clifford, I ran into numerous ones, born within 5 years of the estimated b. date of the Sarah I'm looking for, and born within 10 miles of where my Sarah was married. if anyone's research Cliffords in the Birstall/Armley/Batley/Hightown area, perhaps there is a relation. Sarah Clifford/Clifforth m. 6 Apr 1801 Birstall, by banns to Charles Murfitt estimate she was b. abt 1790+-5 years in one of the towns listed above. Cornelia Oregon, USA

G'day Peter, Sort of what I expected, but we must live in hope as regards to such early records. Thanks anyway, Bill On 21/11/2011 4:49 AM, Peter Wood wrote: > Hello Bill > > > > The starting point for a study of the allegiance of Civil War Soldiers would > be the research guide available on the National Archives web site and > entitled: Civil War soldiers 1642-1660. > > > > > > After reading this it will be apparent that there is no easy answer to your > question! > > > > Peter >

Hi Maggie Thank you for replying Yes you can to a certain extent work round the problem, using the WDP number on the bottom of each page to identify the church. But the problem is the WDP number is not always present, ie The Banns Register that I have viewed so far have neither the church name or WDP number is present. The work round is further exasperated when in the case of Brother PC, records of both Brotherton and Kirksmeaton have all been mixed in together. I have notified Ancestry, who have noted the problems and that is as far as they have got. I am not sure if you are aware, the parish church indexing may seem complete but in reality a lot of the early registers in particular ie pre 1812 is not fully indexed and needs to be viewed page by page Regards Lenny Beaumont (researching Beaumonts) ----- Original Message ----- From: <maggiemole@aol.com> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [WRY] Another mix up on Ancestry >I notified West Yorkshire Archives, Lenny, who provided the data to >Ancestry and said they would work with Ancestry to get the mis-indexing >corrected. It clearly hasn't happened yet - they were aiming at August. I >am simply finding work-arounds. When the name I need comes up, I check on >the film image which church it is in, rather than just relying on the >index. > Maggie > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lenny Beaumont <lenny.beaumont@ntlworld.com> > To: west-riding <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 2:19 > Subject: Re: [WRY] Another mix up on Ancestry > > > Hello List > West Riding Parish Registers > There was an email a while back regarding who to contact on Ancestry with > regards to West Riding parish register indexing problems. Could someone > advise > > Couple more wrongly indexed registers > > Kirk Smeaton register 1562-1813 as been recorded under Brotherton St > Edward > the Confessor > > Headingley St Michael 1717-1812 can be found under Harrogate St Marks > > Regards Lenny Beaumont > (Researching Beaumonts) > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1872 / Virus Database: 2092/4628 - Release Date: 11/20/11 >

Hello Bill The starting point for a study of the allegiance of Civil War Soldiers would be the research guide available on the National Archives web site and entitled: Civil War soldiers 1642-1660. After reading this it will be apparent that there is no easy answer to your question! Peter

I notified West Yorkshire Archives, Lenny, who provided the data to Ancestry and said they would work with Ancestry to get the mis-indexing corrected. It clearly hasn't happened yet - they were aiming at August. I am simply finding work-arounds. When the name I need comes up, I check on the film image which church it is in, rather than just relying on the index. Maggie -----Original Message----- From: Lenny Beaumont <lenny.beaumont@ntlworld.com> To: west-riding <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 2:19 Subject: Re: [WRY] Another mix up on Ancestry Hello List West Riding Parish Registers There was an email a while back regarding who to contact on Ancestry with regards to West Riding parish register indexing problems. Could someone advise Couple more wrongly indexed registers Kirk Smeaton register 1562-1813 as been recorded under Brotherton St Edward the Confessor Headingley St Michael 1717-1812 can be found under Harrogate St Marks Regards Lenny Beaumont (Researching Beaumonts) Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Alan, The virtual memorials list will prove to be a great resource. Is there a way to determine on which side a "souldier" fought? Bill On 19/11/2011 6:20 AM, historydb wrote: > > > The point I make is that this is exactly the sort of information that I > seek. > If anyone else has military burials in their own familiar parish Churches > for the years 1641(42) to 1646 (inclusive) I would be very happy to record > them. > Who would have thought for example that Adel, Addingham and Keighley would > have had such military burials? > > > Peter > > You may like to look at the Virtual Memorial part of the Yorkshireindexers > Wikipedia > > at > http://www.yorkshireindexers.co.uk/wiki/index.php5?title=Category:Virtual_Me > morial > > My wife listed very many burials of solders from the YPRS records and > elsewhere. > They are given with date > > Alan Longbottom - Moderator Yorks Indexers > >

Hello List West Riding Parish Registers There was an email a while back regarding who to contact on Ancestry with regards to West Riding parish register indexing problems. Could someone advise Couple more wrongly indexed registers Kirk Smeaton register 1562-1813 as been recorded under Brotherton St Edward the Confessor Headingley St Michael 1717-1812 can be found under Harrogate St Marks Regards Lenny Beaumont (Researching Beaumonts)

The point I make is that this is exactly the sort of information that I seek. If anyone else has military burials in their own familiar parish Churches for the years 1641(42) to 1646 (inclusive) I would be very happy to record them. Who would have thought for example that Adel, Addingham and Keighley would have had such military burials? Peter You may like to look at the Virtual Memorial part of the Yorkshireindexers Wikipedia at http://www.yorkshireindexers.co.uk/wiki/index.php5?title=Category:Virtual_Me morial My wife listed very many burials of solders from the YPRS records and elsewhere. They are given with date Alan Longbottom - Moderator Yorks Indexers Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Everyone I must repeat my thanks to Roy for two reasons:- Firstly Peter Wenham's book entitled The Siege of York 1644 has arrived and it contains apparently complete lists of Burials for the York Churches for 1644 and including those not published by YPRS. Incidentally it also includes references to (capt.) Thomas Stockdale. Secondly you have kindly supplied me with the military burials at Tickhill (Doncaster) in the years 1644 and 1645. The 1645 date is referable to the Siege of Tickhill Castle. The 1644 date can not yet be referred to any military action but that may become apparent later on in my study. The point I make is that this is exactly the sort of information that I seek. If anyone else has military burials in their own familiar parish Churches for the years 1641(42) to 1646 (inclusive) I would be very happy to record them. Who would have thought for example that Adel, Addingham and Keighley would have had such military burials? Regards Peter Wood

On 16 Nov 2011 at 11:42, Peter Wood wrote: > Thank you indeed Roy for letting me know about Wenham's work on the > Siege of York 1644. I was not hitherto aware of the book. It is > indeed still in print and I have ordered a copy from Sessions of York.> Glad to hear you can obtain a copy, Peter. I believe you will find the book very interesting and extremely comprehensive in its research detail and sources. As I recall, the parish registers of Knaresborough - which might contain burials of Civil War soldiers - were until fairly recently among those rare ones that remained with the incumbent. However, I think they are now at the NYCRO at Northallerton. I am not clear whether you are interested in burials only at Knaresborough but I found the following entries in the parish registers of Tickhill 1538-1674, which have been transcribed and published by the Yorkshire Parish Register Society..... "1644 May 25 - Thomas (blank) was buryed and the noon of day before Edward Goldthorpe, both troops" (I think from the index of occupations at the back of the volume that "troops" indicates they were troopers). "1645, July 7 - Christopher Sharpus, souldier" >From Google I discovered that Tickhill Castle, near Doncaster (loyal to the crown), was besieged and its surrender accepted on 26 July 1644 by John Lilburne and 200 dragoons from the Earl of Manchester's forces. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hello Everyone Thank you indeed Roy for letting me know about Wenham's work on the Siege of York 1644. I was not hitherto aware of the book. It is indeed still in print and I have ordered a copy from Sessions of York. Behind the scenes I have received some considerable help from Dr. David Johnson (author of Adwalton Moor 1643) who was formerly at the University of Hull (my own alma mater) and now at the University of York. He was able to point me towards the work of the late Dr. Peter. Newman for Royalist soldiers and the work of Dr. Jennifer Jones for Parliamentarian soldiers. Eventually I should end up with a dated list of military waifs and strays cross referenced against the military actions, but it is going to be a long job. Thank you. Peter

On 15 Nov 2011 at 12:50, Peter Wood wrote: > Whilst we are on the subject of the records for Knaresborough, I > wonder if there is anyone who could help me? > > I am presently compiling a compendium of Civil War burials associated > with the first English Civil War in Yorkshire from January 1641(42) to > December 1646. > > Could I have a list of military burials at Knaresborough during this > period. I would not in fact expect there to be very many burials > except around the month of December 1644 when the town itself was > besieged. > > Having said that however I am finding the ebb and flow of skirmishes > across Yorkshire to be much more complicated than first thought. An > example of the military ranks would be:- souldier (solger), canonier, > cornet, captaine, colonell etc. > > Any help would be appreciated. > I wonder if you have a copy of an excellent book "The Siege Of York 1644" by PETER WENHAM, first published in 1970 and reprinted in 1994 by William Sessions Ltd, the Ebor Press, York? If not, I do recommend you to try and obtain a copy (assuming it's still in print). Peter Wenham who died in 1990 was an academic historian and archaeologist, thus the book is quite academic as well. But if you can wade through all the umpteen references and footnotes and appendices, it's a worthwhile read and as close to an understanding of what you call "the ebb and flow of skirmishes across Yorkshire" as you will get. Wenham drew upon numerous previously unpublished sources from the York City Archives and many other places in his work. Although there don't seem to be any real details of burials, the detailed background to the Siege of York and lead-up to the Battle of Marston Moor is very comprehensive. I found it particularly useful myself for its references to the writings and diary of Captain Thomas Stockdale, a parliamentarian officer under Fairfax, who of course I snapped up for my one-name study of Stockdale and Stockdill. Stockdale came from a prominent Harrogate family. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hello Everyone Whilst we are on the subject of the records for Knaresborough, I wonder if there is anyone who could help me? I am presently compiling a compendium of Civil War burials associated with the first English Civil War in Yorkshire from January 1641(42) to December 1646. Could I have a list of military burials at Knaresborough during this period. I would not in fact expect there to be very many burials except around the month of December 1644 when the town itself was besieged. Having said that however I am finding the ebb and flow of skirmishes across Yorkshire to be much more complicated than first thought. An example of the military ranks would be:- souldier (solger), canonier, cornet, captaine, colonell etc. Any help would be appreciated. Peter Wood In the Isle of Man