I have the 1961 West Riding Census on CD and have been searching for the MCGUIRE family in Huddersfield. The individuals involved are Michael age 34 born Ireland Emma 30, wife born Dalton/Almondsbury John 11' born Huddersfield Arthur4, Ann 2' and, maybe, Mary an infant. In 1851 they were in Manchester St near the Spread Eagle Inn but they must have moved(?). Would some kind person have a look for them and let me know the schedule/page etc? Regards Chris B

Hi Roger, We just visited the UK and stayed in Hebden Bridge for a couple of weeks and walked up to Heptonstall. The Methodist chapel there is the oldest Methodist Chapel still in continuous use in the world and is one of only a few Octagonal ones to be built. There were quite a few graves in the attached graveyard. Apparently both Charles and John Wesley preached at Heptonstall and there is a bit of info on the web eg: <http://www.treasuresrevealed.co.uk/discover-explore/calderdale/hebden-bridg e/alias-26/> <http://www.bbc.co.uk/bradford/content/articles/2008/04/09/heptonstall_featu re.shtml> <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~todmordenandwalsden/hepto nstallmethodist1.htm> This last site includes sections on baptisms, marriages and burials for various churches - so you may find something there? If you ever make it over to the UK, it is a very interesting and scenic area to explore. Neil -- Neil Houghton Albany Western Australia on 7/12/11 4:01 PM, west-riding-request@rootsweb.com at west-riding-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 21:38:59 +1300 > From: Roger & Joyce <rnoonan@ihug.co.nz> > Subject: [WRY] INGHAM Wesleyans in Heptonstall area > To: WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <4EDDD4A3.70704@ihug.co.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I'm trying to track down information about an INGHAM who was a farmer in > the valley below Whitehill Nook near Hebden Bridge. I am told he was a > great Wesleyan (in touch with John Wesley) and that his home was used as > a school for local preachers. > > His son James (Red) INGHAM, born about 1800, married a Nanny GREENWOOD > in 1820, in Heptonstall. > > I am particularly interested in following up the Wesleyan connection and > would welcome suggestions. > > Thanks, > > Roger in New Zealand >

G'day Gordon, Ancestry has this, appears to be an illegitimate birth which perhaps explains why her place of birth was shown as Barnsley area. Name: Mary Ann Richardson Gender: Female Birth Date: abt 1828 Christening Date: 9 Feb 1828 Christening Place: York, Yorkshire, England Mother's Name: Ann Richardson Source Citation: Place: /York, Yorkshire, England/; Collection: /Spurriergate, St Michael; -/; Date Range: /1814 - 1886/; Film Number: /1068538/. Hope it helps, Bill Melbourne Oz On 7/12/2011 12:00 AM, Gordon Dyson wrote: > Looking for the Baptism of a Mary Ann RICHARDSON about 1828, (from > 1851 census) in Barnsley Area. > > She married Henry COLLINS, of Barnsley, in 1845, at Ecclesfield. > > T.I.A. > Gordon. >

2nd request Can anyone shed any light on the above people.I have a Mary Ann Cahill being born to Hannah nee Read and Michael Cahill in 1860 in Bradford, Michael was a Hawker and was not living at the given address in 1861. I cannot find any trace of this family on any census. I next have a Mary Ann Carr marrying a Fred Tetley claiming her father to be William On the 1881 census I then have Fred and Mary Ann living with Hannah Cahill, mother and mother-in-law. The Fred Tetley is the same person as his age and profession remain the same throughout all following documentation. I have the birth certificate of Mary Ann Cahill, 1860 I have the marriage evidence of Fred Tetley and Mary Ann Carr 1879 (they started to have a family in 1880, 5 children in all , I have the birth certificate of my husbands grandmother born 1886 to Fred Tetley and Mary Ann Tetley formerly Cahill. Has anyone any suggestions to help to resolve this conundrum -- Christine Shelmerdine -- Christine Shelmerdine

I'm trying to track down information about an INGHAM who was a farmer in the valley below Whitehill Nook near Hebden Bridge. I am told he was a great Wesleyan (in touch with John Wesley) and that his home was used as a school for local preachers. His son James (Red) INGHAM, born about 1800, married a Nanny GREENWOOD in 1820, in Heptonstall. I am particularly interested in following up the Wesleyan connection and would welcome suggestions. Thanks, Roger in New Zealand

Hi Gordon......I have some RICHARDSONs from Barnsley a little later than you are looking for: My g-grandfather's sister, KEZIA OGDEN b. 1866 Barnsley married ROBERT RICHARDSON b. 1865 Barnsley (son of JOHN RICHARDSON & ELIZABETH YOUNG). They married in 1885 and had the following children: WILLIAM RICHARDSON b. 1886 HERBERT RICHARDSON b. 1892 ADA RICHARDSON b. 1894 d. 1895 HORACE RICHARDSON b. 1900 Any connection that you know of?? mary lou -----Original Message----- From: Gordon Dyson <gordon.dyson@gmail.com> To: west-riding <West-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Dec 6, 2011 6:00 am Subject: [WRY] Richardson, Barnsley. Looking for the Baptism of a Mary Ann RICHARDSON about 1828, (from 1851 census) in Barnsley Area. She married Henry COLLINS, of Barnsley, in 1845, at Ecclesfield. T.I.A. Gordon. Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Looking for the Baptism of a Mary Ann RICHARDSON about 1828, (from 1851 census) in Barnsley Area. She married Henry COLLINS, of Barnsley, in 1845, at Ecclesfield. T.I.A. Gordon.

thank you for your information, who knows, perhaps one day I will find a link, Merry Christmas and a Prosperous New Year. Christine On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 1:59 PM, TERRY HOPKIN- SUNDBY < terrysundbya0felan3@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hi > a little aside there are Tetleys in Nord Trøndelag fylke in Norway but > they dont seem to know of any English connection > > Terry > > > From: gsbm2@bigpond.com > > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > > Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 19:12:33 +1100 > > CC: jennyda2@gmail.com > > Subject: Re: [WRY] Help Please Tetley > > > > Hi Jenny > > The Fanny Tetley on the 1881 census should I think be 5 months. > > A Hannah Cahill died 1885 Bradford aged 61 but this is probably her. > > > > 1871 Census > > 8 Salt Pie Street Bradford > > > > Hannah Carr Head Widow 40 Wool Comber born Kings County > > William Carr Son Unm 21 Winder born Bradford > > Mary Ann Carr Dau Unm 11 Worsted Spinner born Bradford. > > > > No sign of a marriage of Hannah Carr and ? Cahill. > > > > I will keep looking. > > > > Regards > > Sandy > > Australia > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > > west-riding-request@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2011 7:01 PM > > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > > Subject: WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 6, Issue 227 > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Help please (Jenny De Angelis) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 17:11:47 +0100 > > From: "Jenny De Angelis" <jennyda2@gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [WRY] Help please > > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <A80EFC5B9FED4A2BAD5F7F37826103B7@jennysasus> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > > reply-type=original > > > > Hi Christine, > > > > The child, Fanny Tetley is shown aged 5 in the 1881 census and as the > > granddau. of Hannah Cahill who is the head of the household, there is > also > > grandson John William aged 1, as you will already know. > > > > > > > > > > Some useful websites - > > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Christine Shelmerdine

From: "Yvonne Cairns" <yvonne@anycairns.co.uk> > I have only gone 6 generations so far with that line but good to > know I am at least on a par with her Majesty< > > Yvonne > Yes, so many people assume that "'er at Buckingham Palace" must be royal or aristocratic on all lines. However, the fact is that she had many ancestors who came from quite ordinary families, as evidenced by the fact that her matrilineal line has not been taken back beyond the 18th century. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

I have only gone 6 generations so far with that line but good to know I am at least on a par with her Majesty Yvonne

Hi Jenny The Fanny Tetley on the 1881 census should I think be 5 months. A Hannah Cahill died 1885 Bradford aged 61 but this is probably her. 1871 Census 8 Salt Pie Street Bradford Hannah Carr Head Widow 40 Wool Comber born Kings County William Carr Son Unm 21 Winder born Bradford Mary Ann Carr Dau Unm 11 Worsted Spinner born Bradford. No sign of a marriage of Hannah Carr and ? Cahill. I will keep looking. Regards Sandy Australia -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of west-riding-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2011 7:01 PM To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Subject: WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 6, Issue 227 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Help please (Jenny De Angelis) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 17:11:47 +0100 From: "Jenny De Angelis" <jennyda2@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [WRY] Help please To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <A80EFC5B9FED4A2BAD5F7F37826103B7@jennysasus> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Christine, The child, Fanny Tetley is shown aged 5 in the 1881 census and as the granddau. of Hannah Cahill who is the head of the household, there is also grandson John William aged 1, as you will already know.

Hi a little aside there are Tetleys in Nord Trøndelag fylke in Norway but they dont seem to know of any English connection Terry > From: gsbm2@bigpond.com > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 19:12:33 +1100 > CC: jennyda2@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [WRY] Help Please Tetley > > Hi Jenny > The Fanny Tetley on the 1881 census should I think be 5 months. > A Hannah Cahill died 1885 Bradford aged 61 but this is probably her. > > 1871 Census > 8 Salt Pie Street Bradford > > Hannah Carr Head Widow 40 Wool Comber born Kings County > William Carr Son Unm 21 Winder born Bradford > Mary Ann Carr Dau Unm 11 Worsted Spinner born Bradford. > > No sign of a marriage of Hannah Carr and ? Cahill. > > I will keep looking. > > Regards > Sandy > Australia > > -----Original Message----- > From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > west-riding-request@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2011 7:01 PM > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Subject: WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 6, Issue 227 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Help please (Jenny De Angelis) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 17:11:47 +0100 > From: "Jenny De Angelis" <jennyda2@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [WRY] Help please > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <A80EFC5B9FED4A2BAD5F7F37826103B7@jennysasus> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Christine, > > The child, Fanny Tetley is shown aged 5 in the 1881 census and as the > granddau. of Hannah Cahill who is the head of the household, there is also > grandson John William aged 1, as you will already know. > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Listers who have bought the Christmas issue of Family Tree magazine (ABM Publishing) will find starting on page 26 a five-page feature written by someone whose name you may well recognise on matrilineal lines. It's blurbed on the cover as "ON MUM'S SIDE Tracing women on your family tree". For the benefit of beginners, a direct matrilineal line is one that goes from female to female to female for as far back as you can achieve. Of course, this is not as easy as doing a male line because the surname usually changes in each generation. However, it can be done and the magazine has published my own matrilineal tree which goes back through nine women/generations to a birth at Hampsthwaite, near Harrogate, in 1670. In fact, I have managed to get my matrilineal line farther back, in both time and generations, than my direct male line - moreover, I have a proud boast that I can beat HM The Queen, whose matrilineal tree only goes back six generations to 1737! The mag has published HM's tree as well. This article appears in the Christmas issue of Family Tree, NOT the December issue, BTW. Most of the mags throw in an extra issue these days and this is FT's. I did, though, have a big piece in the December issue also on the popularity of forenames through the ages. For what it's worth, below is my matrilineal tree starting at Hampsthwaite and moving to Bradford. If anyone thinks they might be related to me, sing out (unless you don't want to be!). Katherine FALKINER = John STEAD, m 1701 Hampsthwaite Ann STEAD = Samuel MYERS, m 1723 Hampsthweaite Sarah MYERS = John AKERS, m 1754 Hampsthwaite Sarah AKERS = William GRANGE, m 1779 Hampsthwaite Margaret GRANGE = William MOODY, m 1819 Otley Sarah MOODY = Thomas BRADLEY, m 1843 Shipley, Bradford Ada BRADLEY = John James GIBSON, m 1882 Rawdon Nellie GIBSON = Fred MIDGLEY, m 1913 Dublin, Ireland Molly MIDGLEY = Leonard STOCKDILL, m 1942 Huddersfield ¬ YOURS TRULY (b Bradford 1940 - yup, BEFORE my parents married!) As I report in the magazine, there is a possibility that I may be able to add a further generation with the marriage at Ripley (an adjoining parish to Hampsthwaite) in 1668 of Jane WILSON and John FAULKINER. However, I have not yet proved positively that these were the parents of Katherine FALKINER, b 1670 Hampsthwaite. The magazine has invited readers to tell it how far back they can trace their own matrilineal tree. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

I expect many listers will already be familiar with the Internet Archive at www.archive.org, but I was reminded of it - not having visited it for a long time - by a mention in "Bod-Kin", the journal of the Bradford FHS, December issue, which arrived today. If you don't know about it, do have a look at this enormous resource (it claims 150 BILLION pages), which has much genealogical and family history material and a lot of which can be dowloaded as PDFs, much of it out-of-copyright stuff. It's particularly good for one-namers. For instance, a search on "Stockdale" produced 662 entries spread over 14 pages. A search on "Bradford, Yorkshire" produces a number of old books on Bradford, including by the well-known Bradford author William Cudworth, that can be read online or downloaded, while "Leeds, Yorkshire" produces 192 hits. Try entering "Yorkshire parish registers" and you get 129 hits, including some of the publications of the Yorkshire Parish Register Society. Of course, there are many other forms of media than just books. Alongside the search box (top left screen) is a box listing "All media types" which lists in a drop-down menu the many different choices. If you haven't used the Internet Archive before, try it! It's remarkable what you can find. For instance, entering "Worsnop" - my other one-name study - produced among other hits a book of religious essays (digitised from a copy at Oxford University) with the somewhat extraordinary title "Entire sanctification distinct from justification, and attainable before death", published in 1859 by a nonconformist minister, Abraham Worsnop, of Scotter, Lincolnshire. Hardly a riveting read, but it's good for a one-namer to know about something like this. I also found a couple of books on Australia by Thomas Worsnop, who I was already familiar with as a former Town Clerk of Adelaide. I heartily recommend the Internet Archive - again, it's at www.archive.org -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi Christine, The child, Fanny Tetley is shown aged 5 in the 1881 census and as the granddau. of Hannah Cahill who is the head of the household, there is also grandson John William aged 1, as you will already know. I found a birth on FreeBMD for a Fanny Tetley Dec. Qtr. 1880 at Bradford Yorks. reg. district volume 9b page 131. This was the only result I got from my search for a birth in the Bradford reg. district between 1872-1881 FreeBMD shows a birth in June Qtr. 1876 at Bradford Yorks. volume 9b page 255 for John William Tetley. Maybe he should be shown as age 5 and Fanny as age 1 in the 1881 census entry. I looks to me as though the enumerator wrote Fanny's age in the male column first and then scrubbed it out to re-write it in the female age column. Maybe he had got in a proper muddle with the ages. Maybe whoever wrote out the household schedule got it all in a muddle to start with and the enumerator was trying to sort it out and still ended up with a muddle. Maybe you have the birth certificates for these two children already and so will know the rights and wrongs of it all. I agree with the other lister, that it is possible to registrar or curate mis-heard Mary Ann's surname of Cahill and put Carr in error. There does not seem to be any 1861 or 1871 census entry showing Michael or William Cahill with a wife called hannah and a daughter Mary Ann anywhere in the country. Neither can I find Mary Ann Cahill, or any sort of variant of the name, with a mother called Hannah, showing without a father present in either of the same two censuses. Maybe if William/Michael was a Hawker he and his family moved around a lot and slept out in the countryside, such as a traveller or gypsy might do. You say he was a hawker perhaps that occupation kept him on the move around the countryside. Regards Jenny DeAngelis <<> just looked at the 1881 census and Mary ann & Fred's eldest child is 5 > years > old is it possible she was married to someone called Carr before marrying > Fred>>>

Thank you for your input,I have searched for many years. I have purchased many certificates and the newspaper report that you have told me about will, i am sure, help me to explore another avenue. What a lot of problems I am encountering while researching the Tetley/Raistrick family. Fred and Mary Ann Cahill are the great grandparents of my husband. Thank you for your interest,good luck with your studies also Cheers Christine On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:18 PM, Beverley Hill <hilltock@btinternet.com>wrote: > Christine > just looked at the 1881 census and Mary ann & Fred's eldest child is 5 > years > old is it possible she was married to someone called Carr before marrying > Fred > Bev > > -----Original Message----- > From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley Abernethy > Sent: 29 November 2011 18:00 > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WRY] Help please > > Hi Christine > My only suggestion would be that the priest or registrar was hard of > hearing! > There is a sad account of the death of Mary Ann's brother Stephen, aged 3 > in > the Bradford Observer of March 19th 1868, having been run over and killed > the previous November by a cart in White Abbey Road. > Michael Cahill gives evidence at the trial of the cart driver, stating that > he is a labourer living in salt Pie Street, and that he had left the boy in > the care of his sister, Mary Ann cahill aged 8 years. > > > ________________________________ > From: Christine Shelmerdine <cmshelmerdine@googlemail.com> > To: WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2011, 13:21 > Subject: [WRY] Help please > > Can anyone shed any light on the above people.I have a Mary Ann Cahill > being born to Hannah nee Read and Michael Cahill in 1860 in > Bradford, > Michael was a Hawker and was not living at the given address in 1861. I > cannot find any trace of this family on any census. > I next have a Mary Ann Carr marrying a Fred Tetley claiming her father to > be William > On the 1881 census I then have Fred and Mary Ann living with Hannah Cahill, > mother and mother-in-law. The Fred Tetley is the same person as his age > and profession remain the same throughout all following documentation. > I have the birth certificate of Mary Ann Cahill, 1860 I have the marriage > evidence of Fred Tetley and Mary Ann Carr 1879 (they started to have a > family in 1880, 5 children in all , I have the birth certificate of my > husbands grandmother born 1886 to Fred Tetley and Mary Ann Tetley formerly > Cahill. > Has anyone any suggestions to help to resolve this conundrum > -- > Christine Shelmerdine > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Christine Shelmerdine

Christine just looked at the 1881 census and Mary ann & Fred's eldest child is 5 years old is it possible she was married to someone called Carr before marrying Fred Bev -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley Abernethy Sent: 29 November 2011 18:00 To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WRY] Help please Hi Christine My only suggestion would be that the priest or registrar was hard of hearing! There is a sad account of the death of Mary Ann's brother Stephen, aged 3 in the Bradford Observer of March 19th 1868, having been run over and killed the previous November by a cart in White Abbey Road. Michael Cahill gives evidence at the trial of the cart driver, stating that he is a labourer living in salt Pie Street, and that he had left the boy in the care of his sister, Mary Ann cahill aged 8 years. ________________________________ From: Christine Shelmerdine <cmshelmerdine@googlemail.com> To: WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2011, 13:21 Subject: [WRY] Help please Can anyone shed any light on the above people.I have a Mary Ann Cahill being born to Hannah nee Read and Michael Cahill in 1860 in Bradford, Michael was a Hawker and was not living at the given address in 1861.  I cannot find any trace of this family on any census. I next have a Mary Ann Carr marrying a Fred Tetley claiming her father to be William On the 1881 census I then have Fred and Mary Ann living with Hannah Cahill, mother and mother-in-law. The Fred Tetley is the same person  as his age and profession remain the same throughout all following documentation. I have the birth certificate of Mary Ann Cahill, 1860  I have the marriage evidence of Fred Tetley and Mary Ann Carr 1879 (they started to have a family in 1880, 5 children in all , I have the birth certificate of my husbands grandmother born 1886 to Fred Tetley and Mary Ann Tetley formerly Cahill. Has anyone any suggestions to help to resolve this conundrum -- Christine Shelmerdine Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Christine My only suggestion would be that the priest or registrar was hard of hearing! There is a sad account of the death of Mary Ann's brother Stephen, aged 3 in the Bradford Observer of March 19th 1868, having been run over and killed the previous November by a cart in White Abbey Road. Michael Cahill gives evidence at the trial of the cart driver, stating that he is a labourer living in salt Pie Street, and that he had left the boy in the care of his sister, Mary Ann cahill aged 8 years. ________________________________ From: Christine Shelmerdine <cmshelmerdine@googlemail.com> To: WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2011, 13:21 Subject: [WRY] Help please Can anyone shed any light on the above people.I have a Mary Ann Cahill being born to Hannah nee Read and Michael Cahill in 1860 in Bradford, Michael was a Hawker and was not living at the given address in 1861.  I cannot find any trace of this family on any census. I next have a Mary Ann Carr marrying a Fred Tetley claiming her father to be William On the 1881 census I then have Fred and Mary Ann living with Hannah Cahill, mother and mother-in-law. The Fred Tetley is the same person  as his age and profession remain the same throughout all following documentation. I have the birth certificate of Mary Ann Cahill, 1860  I have the marriage evidence of Fred Tetley and Mary Ann Carr 1879 (they started to have a family in 1880, 5 children in all , I have the birth certificate of my husbands grandmother born 1886 to Fred Tetley and Mary Ann Tetley formerly Cahill. Has anyone any suggestions to help to resolve this conundrum -- Christine Shelmerdine Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anyone shed any light on the above people.I have a Mary Ann Cahill being born to Hannah nee Read and Michael Cahill in 1860 in Bradford, Michael was a Hawker and was not living at the given address in 1861. I cannot find any trace of this family on any census. I next have a Mary Ann Carr marrying a Fred Tetley claiming her father to be William On the 1881 census I then have Fred and Mary Ann living with Hannah Cahill, mother and mother-in-law. The Fred Tetley is the same person as his age and profession remain the same throughout all following documentation. I have the birth certificate of Mary Ann Cahill, 1860 I have the marriage evidence of Fred Tetley and Mary Ann Carr 1879 (they started to have a family in 1880, 5 children in all , I have the birth certificate of my husbands grandmother born 1886 to Fred Tetley and Mary Ann Tetley formerly Cahill. Has anyone any suggestions to help to resolve this conundrum -- Christine Shelmerdine

Ellen Thank you for the kind words and the way they were written I am in NZ North Island you are ?? Be safe always > From: ellen.murray@sympatico.ca > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:22:12 -0500 > Subject: [WRY] graveyard/cemetery > > Well that may change things a little Alan thank you for the interpretation. Here a graveyard is a cemetery, they mean the same, attached to Church or otherwise. Some are owned privately & some by Municipality but all open to public. Unless of course it is strictly one Family owned. Also our abandoned Cemeteries are responsibility of Municipality, unfortunately there seem to be more & more abandoned Cemeteries due to many of our Churches closing. > > In this case then I suppose I should be asking about Graveyards for my Taylor Family. > > Ellen > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message