Hi Megan, Wow, it must be an interesting family trail to follow from Todmorden to Prince Edward Island! Roy has already given you some research info, together with great info on Heptonstall/Hebden Bridge. It is certainly nice to find a family headstone. Our first port of call in the UK was Liverpool (another very interesting place to visit) and we took a bus out to Hale village where my grandfather's family came from (along with MANY more Houghton families!). I already had birth and marriage certificates for my GG grandparents but so far I haven't been concentrating on filling in too many death details on my tree, so wandering round the graveyard of the Hale church was very much a long shot!! However, I was very lucky and found the gravestone for my GG grandparents, which also included one of their sons killed in WW1 and another of their sons (also a WW1 soldier) who died in 1922. This stone gave the actual death dates and ages of all four people, much of which was new info to me. Although I have lived in Australia for over 25 years now, I grew up in Dewsbury (Yorkshire) and I had long promised to show my Australian partner what sort of place could produce a creature like me - however, I decided that, as a holiday stay, Dewsbury might be a bit too much reality for her ;o) I had fond memories of walks with my Dad along many canal towpaths, including Hebden Bridge which is on the Rochdale canal as well as on the train line between Liverpool and Bradford/Leeds - which is why we chose it for our 2 week stay in Yorkshire. Todmorden is also on both the canal and this train line so one day we walked to Todmorden along the towpath and caught the train back. I have to say we were very happy with our decision to use Hebden Bridge as a base for our Yorkshire visit - we arrived by train from Liverpool and left by train to London and used the train a lot locally while we were there. We were also VERY happy with our accommodation there (at the Stamp Office). I realise I am getting bit off-topic for the list so I'll just leave it with a few links for you to check out: Where we stayed (2 minute walk to railway station or canal): <http://www.thestampoffice.co.uk/> LOTS of great walking in the area - including these three walks from Hebden Bridge: <http://www.hbwalkersaction.org.uk/walks/heptonstall.html> <http://www.hbwalkersaction.org.uk/walks/crags.html> <http://www.hbwalkersaction.org.uk/walks/stoodley.html> Gibson Mill, a National Trust property at Hardcastle Crags: <http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/main/w-vh/w-visits/w-findaplace/w-hardcastl ecrags/w-hardcastlecrags-gibsonmill_project.htm> The Stubbing Wharf pub - a short walk along the towpath and good food: <http://www.stubbingwharf.com/> A Tapas Bar in Todmorden!! (we enjoyed a feed here) <http://www.thetapasbar.com/index.php> The piece Hall is in Halifax (just down the road) <http://www.hebdenbridgelist.com/news/piece-hall-transformation-underway> And MUCH more! If you want any more (non-geealogical) info re our trip, feel free to contact me off-list. Cheers Neil -- Neil Houghton Albany Western Australia on 13/12/11 4:01 PM, west-riding-request@rootsweb.com at west-riding-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 09:07:48 -0400 > From: "Megan Skinner" <the.skinners-pei@pei.sympatico.ca> > Subject: [WRY] SKINNER & GREENWOOD (WRY & Lancashire) > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <000d01ccb8cf$0c615c30$25241490$@skinners-pei@pei.sympatico.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Neil: > Thanks for posting about your recent trip. I found the links very > interesting!! > My daughter & I are planning a trip to the UK in 2013. I am hoping to visit > the places my great grandparents, John Skinner & Susy Greenwood, lived. I > believe Susy was born in Todmorden. > I have recently found the 1899 burial for their son, Andrew, in the Parish > of Lightcliffe. I am assuming it was at St. Matthews Church as that is > where Andrew's sister was married. It would be no nice to find a > marker/headstone for his resting place. > If anyone has suggestions on things to see/do and places to stay I would > love to hear from you. > > Cheers, > Megan > Cavendish, Prince Edward Island

Hi Roy, We got a bus pass for the day and went to Hebden Bridge, wish I had known the information you give then, Haworth was the other place we visited and the church had fantastic stained glass windows. Jean If you are planning to visit, then Heptonstall is an absolute must - one of the most fascinating places in the country. The climb up from Hebden Bridge is formidable, whichever way you do it, but more than worth the effort. It's a classic old picture postcard village with weavers' cottages, cobbled stones, a museum, several pubs and two churches in one churchyard (one of very few, possibly the only one, in the country). And also, as has been mentioned, the octagonal chapel founded by the Wesleys. The old church ruins are quite eerie (the church was destroyed in a gale in 1848 and a new one built alongside it). In the graveyard of the old church is the grave of "King" David Hartley, leader of the gang known as the Cragg Vale coiners, who counterfeited gold coins and murdered an exciseman at Halifax. Hartley was hanged at York in 1770. In the new churchyard is the grave of the American poet, Sylvia Plath, who committed suicide when married to Ted Hughes of nearby Mytholmroyd, the former Poet Laureate. Hebden Bridge was a grimy old mill town when I lived at Mytholmroyd in the 1950s, but in the last 40-50 years it has been transformed into a trendy place with wine bars, restaurants, craft and antique shops, terraced houses built spectacularly on the hillside one above another in Italianate stall - and, it's claimed, the largest gay and lesbian community in the UK (if you are interested in that sort of thing)! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Just spent 5 weeks with family in Yorkshire in Huddersfield. I loved Halifax, the town is interesting and then we visited Shibden Hall. (Not far from Todmorden) We also visited the Sculpture Park, the National Coal Mining museum, this is an experience and interesting. In Leeds the Armoury Museum was very worthwhile. The Colne Valley Museum at Golcar and also Ravensknowle museum at Moldgreen tells of the origins of Huddersfield. The local council seems to have information regarding graves as do the churches. We found the site details of my husband's grandfather ELLAM at Beaumont Park Cemetery (in use and well looked after), his Aunt is buried there as well as his grandfather. she died in 1941 and he died in 1953, the headstone is still in good condition and readable and the grave is intact and hasn't collapsed. My brother suggested we buy Spring bulbs and we planted them, he has promised to photo them in Spring. (His in-laws who died relatively recently are buried in a different part of this cemetery). We also uncovered the plot our grandfather is buried in at the Lindley Methodist Church there is no headstone and this section was overgrown but my brother cleared a path. The church has records. My WOOD ancestors were clothiers in Golcar and so the museums which depicted this occupation were particularly interesting to me. The Huddersfield library has lots of information and I sure Halifax or other areas might also. Hope that helps. Jean -----Original Message----- From: Megan Skinner Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 11:37 PM To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Subject: [WRY] SKINNER & GREENWOOD (WRY & Lancashire) Hi Neil: Thanks for posting about your recent trip. I found the links very interesting!! My daughter & I are planning a trip to the UK in 2013. I am hoping to visit the places my great grandparents, John Skinner & Susy Greenwood, lived. I believe Susy was born in Todmorden. I have recently found the 1899 burial for their son, Andrew, in the Parish of Lightcliffe. I am assuming it was at St. Matthews Church as that is where Andrew's sister was married. It would be no nice to find a marker/headstone for his resting place. If anyone has suggestions on things to see/do and places to stay I would love to hear from you. Cheers, Megan Cavendish, Prince Edward Island -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Neil Houghton Sent: December-07-11 7:10 AM To: West Riding Subject: Re: [WRY] WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 6, Issue 231 Hi Roger, We just visited the UK and stayed in Hebden Bridge for a couple of weeks and walked up to Heptonstall. The Methodist chapel there is the oldest Methodist Chapel still in continuous use in the world and is one of only a few Octagonal ones to be built. There were quite a few graves in the attached graveyard. Apparently both Charles and John Wesley preached at Heptonstall and there is a bit of info on the web eg: <http://www.treasuresrevealed.co.uk/discover-explore/calderdale/hebden-bridg e/alias-26/> <http://www.bbc.co.uk/bradford/content/articles/2008/04/09/heptonstall_featu re.shtml> <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~todmordenandwalsden/hepto nstallmethodist1.htm> This last site includes sections on baptisms, marriages and burials for various churches - so you may find something there? If you ever make it over to the UK, it is a very interesting and scenic area to explore. Neil -- Neil Houghton Albany Western Australia Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From: "Megan Skinner" <the.skinners-pei@pei.sympatico.ca> > My daughter & I are planning a trip to the UK in 2013. I am hoping > to visit the places my great grandparents, John Skinner & Susy Greenwood, > lived. I believe Susy was born in Todmorden. > I have recently found the 1899 burial for their son, Andrew, in the Parish > of Lightcliffe. I am assuming it was at St. Matthews Church as that > is where Andrew's sister was married. It would be no nice to find a > marker/headstone for his resting place. > If anyone has suggestions on things to see/do and places to stay I > would > love to hear from you. > > Cheers, > Megan > Cavendish, Prince Edward Island > See the 1911 census..... RG14 Piece:26374 Reference: RG14PN26374 RG78PN1524 RD496 SD1 ED6 SN128 I also suggest you look at FreeBMD and see how many Susy (or variants of the forename) Greenwoods were born in Todmorden registration district! GREENWOOD is probably by far and away the most common surname in the Calder Valley. If you are planning to visit, then Heptonstall is an absolute must - one of the most fascinating places in the country. The climb up from Hebden Bridge is formidable, whichever way you do it, but more than worth the effort. It's a classic old picture postcard village with weavers' cottages, cobbled stones, a museum, several pubs and two churches in one churchyard (one of very few, possibly the only one, in the country). And also, as has been mentioned, the octagonal chapel founded by the Wesleys. The old church ruins are quite eerie (the church was destroyed in a gale in 1848 and a new one built alongside it). In the graveyard of the old church is the grave of "King" David Hartley, leader of the gang known as the Cragg Vale coiners, who counterfeited gold coins and murdered an exciseman at Halifax. Hartley was hanged at York in 1770. In the new churchyard is the grave of the American poet, Sylvia Plath, who committed suicide when married to Ted Hughes of nearby Mytholmroyd, the former Poet Laureate. Hebden Bridge was a grimy old mill town when I lived at Mytholmroyd in the 1950s, but in the last 40-50 years it has been transformed into a trendy place with wine bars, restaurants, craft and antique shops, terraced houses built spectacularly on the hillside one above another in Italianate stall - and, it's claimed, the largest gay and lesbian community in the UK (if you are interested in that sort of thing)! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Megan, I have Greenwoods in Todmorden (I know, a lot of folks do!) starting with Thomas Greenwood (ca1796-1855) married to Elizabeth ?; children: Henry, Mary, Ashton, John, Sarah, Thomas, William. Can't find a Susy in my records, but thought I would mention my interest just in case. Kathleen On 12/12/2011 5:07 AM, Megan Skinner wrote: > Hi Neil: > Thanks for posting about your recent trip. I found the links very > interesting!! > My daughter& I are planning a trip to the UK in 2013. I am hoping to visit > the places my great grandparents, John Skinner& Susy Greenwood, lived. I > believe Susy was born in Todmorden. > I have recently found the 1899 burial for their son, Andrew, in the Parish > of Lightcliffe. I am assuming it was at St. Matthews Church as that is > where Andrew's sister was married. It would be no nice to find a > marker/headstone for his resting place. > If anyone has suggestions on things to see/do and places to stay I would > love to hear from you. > > Cheers, > Megan > Cavendish, Prince Edward Island > >

Hi Neil: Thanks for posting about your recent trip. I found the links very interesting!! My daughter & I are planning a trip to the UK in 2013. I am hoping to visit the places my great grandparents, John Skinner & Susy Greenwood, lived. I believe Susy was born in Todmorden. I have recently found the 1899 burial for their son, Andrew, in the Parish of Lightcliffe. I am assuming it was at St. Matthews Church as that is where Andrew's sister was married. It would be no nice to find a marker/headstone for his resting place. If anyone has suggestions on things to see/do and places to stay I would love to hear from you. Cheers, Megan Cavendish, Prince Edward Island -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Neil Houghton Sent: December-07-11 7:10 AM To: West Riding Subject: Re: [WRY] WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 6, Issue 231 Hi Roger, We just visited the UK and stayed in Hebden Bridge for a couple of weeks and walked up to Heptonstall. The Methodist chapel there is the oldest Methodist Chapel still in continuous use in the world and is one of only a few Octagonal ones to be built. There were quite a few graves in the attached graveyard. Apparently both Charles and John Wesley preached at Heptonstall and there is a bit of info on the web eg: <http://www.treasuresrevealed.co.uk/discover-explore/calderdale/hebden-bridg e/alias-26/> <http://www.bbc.co.uk/bradford/content/articles/2008/04/09/heptonstall_featu re.shtml> <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~todmordenandwalsden/hepto nstallmethodist1.htm> This last site includes sections on baptisms, marriages and burials for various churches - so you may find something there? If you ever make it over to the UK, it is a very interesting and scenic area to explore. Neil -- Neil Houghton Albany Western Australia

I found a number of sites about the Irish in Huddersfield http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlmayo2/irish_migration_england.html is very informative and anyone wanting local information could do little better than enjoying a drink at the Huddersfield Irish centre http://hic.org.uk/ !!! Chris B -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Andy Micklethwaite Sent: 11 December 2011 09:33 To: petera1@fsmail.net; west-riding@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WRY] The McGuire family, Huddersfield To add to Peter's excellent explanation, Huddersfield was on a direct railway line from Liverpool, built before the famine. Also being a woollen town helped as cotton was in trouble during the American Civil War. But family links were important. I know there was a sizeable Irish contingent in Stockport. HTH Andy. At 06:49 11/12/2011, Peter wrote: >Huddersfield Irish concentrated on the poorer/slum areas of town; top of town; Manchester Street and bottom of Town around what is now the Sports Centre. >Why did they come here? Huddersfield was a boom town for about 100 years 1840 - 1940ish. Once they were established then family and friends could follow them over. There was a large Irish community, a Catholic Church from the 1860s, a Catholic school attached to the church. Masses said in Gaelic for a time, and the largest concentration of Gaelic speakers outside London, in England, for a while. Once links were established people tended to follow each other. Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To add to Peter's excellent explanation, Huddersfield was on a direct railway line from Liverpool, built before the famine. Also being a woollen town helped as cotton was in trouble during the American Civil War. But family links were important. I know there was a sizeable Irish contingent in Stockport. HTH Andy. At 06:49 11/12/2011, Peter wrote: >Huddersfield Irish concentrated on the poorer/slum areas of town; top of town; Manchester Street and bottom of Town around what is now the Sports Centre. >Why did they come here? Huddersfield was a boom town for about 100 years 1840 - 1940ish. Once they were established then family and friends could follow them over. There was a large Irish community, a Catholic Church from the 1860s, a Catholic school attached to the church. Masses said in Gaelic for a time, and the largest concentration of Gaelic speakers outside London, in England, for a while. Once links were established people tended to follow each other.

Huddersfield Irish concentrated on the poorer/slum areas of town; top of town; Manchester Street and bottom of Town around what is now the Sports Centre. Why did they come here? Huddersfield was a boom town for about 100 years 1840 - 1940ish. Once they were established then family and friends could follow them over. There was a large Irish community, a Catholic Church from the 1860s, a Catholic school attached to the church. Masses said in Gaelic for a time, and the largest concentration of Gaelic speakers outside London, in England, for a while. Once links were established people tended to follow each other. ======================================== Message Received: Dec 10 2011, 12:35 AM From: "Chris" <cd-broscomb@tiscali.co.uk> To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: Re: [WRY] The McGuire family, Huddersfield Mel, thanks for looking. As you wrote, Find my Past hasn't got my McGuires so I wonder if it is based around the S&N copies. Ancestry certainly does list them and must have used a different set of copies. I used to find their a better quality than many on my CDs. You mentioned the number of Irish in Huddersfield. I also noticed that and they were concentrated in 3 or 4 areas - They probably came because of the potato famine but why Huddersfield? Regards Chris B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mel Smith" <melvynsmith@gmail.com> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 12:04 AM Subject: Re: [WRY] The McGuire family, Huddersfield > Chris > > > I looked on FindMyPast and did not see them listed. > Also looked at Manchester Street and all the residences around the Spread > Eagle Inn and again did not see them. Granted I was looking at the > transcripts and not images. > All the addresses seemed to be listed. If I remember correctly the Spread > Eagle inn was listed as 16 Manchester St > It was surprising to see that many of the heads of households were Irish. > Perhaps an Irish area of Huddersfield. > > Sorry > Mel > > -----Original Message----- > From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris > Sent: December 9, 2011 5:11 PM > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WRY] The McGuire family, Huddersfield > > Hi again, > I'm on my third search through the 1861 census for the Huddersfield > District > and realised that the part of Manchester Street where the McGuires lived > in > 1851 appears to be missing. > They were near the Spread Eagle Inn on Manchester Street. It existed in on > the census in 1851 and again in 1871 but it's not on the 1861 CD. > Ancestry confirms the McGuires existence in 1861 as Michael and Emma > McQuire > so I can only think the area has been omitted from the S&N Yorkshire set. > Can someone help with an image? > Regards > ChrisB > -----Original Message----- > From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris > Sent: 08 December 2011 10:05 > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WRY] The McGuire family, Huddersfield > > I have the 1961 West Riding Census on CD and have been searching for the > MCGUIRE family in Huddersfield. > > The individuals involved are > > Michael age 34 born Ireland > > Emma 30, wife born Dalton/Almondsbury > > John 11' born Huddersfield > > Arthur4, > > Ann 2' > > and, maybe, Mary an infant. > > In 1851 they were in Manchester St near the Spread Eagle Inn but they must > have moved(?). > > Would some kind person have a look for them and let me know the > schedule/page etc? > > > > Regards > > Chris B > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Listers I would be happy to hear from anyone researching Swallow from Almondbury/Honley at the beginning of the eighteenth century. I am descended from Mary Ann Swallow, the daughter of William Swallow, a cloth dresser, who married Joseph Clough at Tong in 1840. At this time both lived in Birstall but census records show that Mary Ann was born in Honley. Census records also suggest that she had a brother John, also born in Honley, and a brother Henry, born in Liverpool. I have not yet uncovered Mary Ann's baptism but I have found a baptism of an Elizabeth Swallow, daughter of William Swallow, cloth dresser of Honley, and his wife Fanny in 1817, who I am presuming to be her sister. I have also found the marriage of William Swallow and Fanny Mornet (a name I have been unable to trace further) at Honley in 1816. My problem is that there seem to have been three William Swallows in the locality at about the same and so I am struggling to identify which is mine. Therefore if anyone has a William Swallow in their tree at around this time I would be interested in exchanging notes. Many thanks. Howard Mais

Many thanks to Lenny who solved the problem. The McGuires had moved, were on the CD and I was suffering from (age-related?) census blindness. ChrisB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" <cd-broscomb@tiscali.co.uk> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 12:25 AM Subject: Re: [WRY] The McGuire family, Huddersfield > Mel, thanks for looking. > As you wrote, Find my Past hasn't got my McGuires so I wonder if it is > based > around the S&N copies. > Ancestry certainly does list them and must have used a different set of > copies. I used to find their a better quality than many on my CDs. > You mentioned the number of Irish in Huddersfield. I also noticed that and > they were concentrated in 3 or 4 areas - They probably came because of the > potato famine but why Huddersfield? > > Regards > Chris B > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mel Smith" <melvynsmith@gmail.com> > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 12:04 AM > Subject: Re: [WRY] The McGuire family, Huddersfield > > >> Chris >> >> >> I looked on FindMyPast and did not see them listed. >> Also looked at Manchester Street and all the residences around the Spread >> Eagle Inn and again did not see them. Granted I was looking at the >> transcripts and not images. >> All the addresses seemed to be listed. If I remember correctly the Spread >> Eagle inn was listed as 16 Manchester St >> It was surprising to see that many of the heads of households were Irish. >> Perhaps an Irish area of Huddersfield. >> >> Sorry >> Mel >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris >> Sent: December 9, 2011 5:11 PM >> To: west-riding@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [WRY] The McGuire family, Huddersfield >> >> Hi again, >> I'm on my third search through the 1861 census for the Huddersfield >> District >> and realised that the part of Manchester Street where the McGuires lived >> in >> 1851 appears to be missing. >> They were near the Spread Eagle Inn on Manchester Street. It existed in >> on >> the census in 1851 and again in 1871 but it's not on the 1861 CD. >> Ancestry confirms the McGuires existence in 1861 as Michael and Emma >> McQuire >> so I can only think the area has been omitted from the S&N Yorkshire set. >> Can someone help with an image? >> Regards >> ChrisB >> -----Original Message----- >> From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris >> Sent: 08 December 2011 10:05 >> To: west-riding@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [WRY] The McGuire family, Huddersfield >> >> I have the 1961 West Riding Census on CD and have been searching for the >> MCGUIRE family in Huddersfield. >> >> The individuals involved are >> >> Michael age 34 born Ireland >> >> Emma 30, wife born Dalton/Almondsbury >> >> John 11' born Huddersfield >> >> Arthur4, >> >> Ann 2' >> >> and, maybe, Mary an infant. >> >> In 1851 they were in Manchester St near the Spread Eagle Inn but they >> must >> have moved(?). >> >> Would some kind person have a look for them and let me know the >> schedule/page etc? >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> Chris B >> >> >> Some useful websites - >> FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ >> FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ >> FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ >> >> Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> Some useful websites - >> FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ >> FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ >> FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ >> >> Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> Some useful websites - >> FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ >> FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ >> FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ >> >> Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mel, thanks for looking. As you wrote, Find my Past hasn't got my McGuires so I wonder if it is based around the S&N copies. Ancestry certainly does list them and must have used a different set of copies. I used to find their a better quality than many on my CDs. You mentioned the number of Irish in Huddersfield. I also noticed that and they were concentrated in 3 or 4 areas - They probably came because of the potato famine but why Huddersfield? Regards Chris B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mel Smith" <melvynsmith@gmail.com> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 12:04 AM Subject: Re: [WRY] The McGuire family, Huddersfield > Chris > > > I looked on FindMyPast and did not see them listed. > Also looked at Manchester Street and all the residences around the Spread > Eagle Inn and again did not see them. Granted I was looking at the > transcripts and not images. > All the addresses seemed to be listed. If I remember correctly the Spread > Eagle inn was listed as 16 Manchester St > It was surprising to see that many of the heads of households were Irish. > Perhaps an Irish area of Huddersfield. > > Sorry > Mel > > -----Original Message----- > From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris > Sent: December 9, 2011 5:11 PM > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WRY] The McGuire family, Huddersfield > > Hi again, > I'm on my third search through the 1861 census for the Huddersfield > District > and realised that the part of Manchester Street where the McGuires lived > in > 1851 appears to be missing. > They were near the Spread Eagle Inn on Manchester Street. It existed in on > the census in 1851 and again in 1871 but it's not on the 1861 CD. > Ancestry confirms the McGuires existence in 1861 as Michael and Emma > McQuire > so I can only think the area has been omitted from the S&N Yorkshire set. > Can someone help with an image? > Regards > ChrisB > -----Original Message----- > From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris > Sent: 08 December 2011 10:05 > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WRY] The McGuire family, Huddersfield > > I have the 1961 West Riding Census on CD and have been searching for the > MCGUIRE family in Huddersfield. > > The individuals involved are > > Michael age 34 born Ireland > > Emma 30, wife born Dalton/Almondsbury > > John 11' born Huddersfield > > Arthur4, > > Ann 2' > > and, maybe, Mary an infant. > > In 1851 they were in Manchester St near the Spread Eagle Inn but they must > have moved(?). > > Would some kind person have a look for them and let me know the > schedule/page etc? > > > > Regards > > Chris B > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi again, I'm on my third search through the 1861 census for the Huddersfield District and realised that the part of Manchester Street where the McGuires lived in 1851 appears to be missing. They were near the Spread Eagle Inn on Manchester Street. It existed in on the census in 1851 and again in 1871 but it's not on the 1861 CD. Ancestry confirms the McGuires existence in 1861 as Michael and Emma McQuire so I can only think the area has been omitted from the S&N Yorkshire set. Can someone help with an image? Regards ChrisB -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: 08 December 2011 10:05 To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Subject: [WRY] The McGuire family, Huddersfield I have the 1961 West Riding Census on CD and have been searching for the MCGUIRE family in Huddersfield. The individuals involved are Michael age 34 born Ireland Emma 30, wife born Dalton/Almondsbury John 11' born Huddersfield Arthur4, Ann 2' and, maybe, Mary an infant. In 1851 they were in Manchester St near the Spread Eagle Inn but they must have moved(?). Would some kind person have a look for them and let me know the schedule/page etc? Regards Chris B Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi John I'm afraid I can't help you much, but I can sympathise, as I too am unable to find a baptism for my John Micklethwaite who I believe was born Paddock in 1805. My John also died in 1849 but in September in the cholera outbreak that hit Paddock. One problem is that the area was strongly non-conformist as you know and many of their baptism records have not yet made it into the public domain, let alone online. These problems are frustrating - I've been looking for a way round mine almost since I started research. Hopefully one day something will turn up for us both. I'll keep my eyes open. Best WIshes, Andy. At 16:36 09/12/2011, you wrote: >Hello, > >The following is quite long but has the makings of a good mystery! So >please bear with me... > >I am trying to find the parents of William EARNSHAW and Ann BINNS who were >married at St. Peter's in Huddersfield on 25 Aug 1832. The names of their >parents do not appear on the marriage record. > >William and Ann had the following children (all of whom were born in >Huddersfield): >1. Elizabeth (born abt 1831 - married George Chappell in Huddersfield in >1854 and then emigrated to USA - died 25 Dec 1887 in Philadelphia); >2. Mary (born 27 Aug 1832 - married Charles Bocock in Huddersfield in 1851 >- died 26 May 1899 in Barton-Upon-Irwell, Lancashire); >3. Joseph Howard (born 1835, emigrated to USA - married first, Mary Ann >Mason, also from Huddersfield, and second, Jane Stafford); >4. William (born 1837, emigrated to USA - married Susanna Adams - died 23 >Sep 1901 in Chicago); >5. Allen (born 10 Jun 1839 - married Emily Daws in Hackney in 1868 - died >17 May 1896 in Stockport, Cheshire); >6. Horsfall Howard (born 17 Feb 1843 - married Melinda Stott in >Huddersfield in 1866 - died on 19 Nov 1898 in Huddersfield) > >William EARNSHAW Senior died in Huddersfield on 17 Jun 1849, age 39. His >death record and Census reports made during his lifetime suggest he was >born circa 1809/1810. > >His wife, Ann EARNSHAW (nee BINNS) died in Huddersfield on 12 Mar 1894, age >84. She too would have been born circa 1809/1810. > >Both William and Ann were buried in the Paddock All Saints Church cemetery. > >There is strong circumstantial evidence to suggest that William EARNSHAW >may be the son of Joseph EARNSHAW and Mary HORSFALL (the most obvious being >the choices of given names for William's children, namely, Mary, Joseph and >HORSFALL, all three presumably in honor of his parents). That being said, >in order to prove this connection I have been trying to locate William's >baptismal record. As mentioned above, the census records for England and >William's 1849 death record all indicate that William was likely born circa >1809. Three of Joseph and Mary's children -and William's would-be >siblings- (Sarah 1803, Jane 1806, and Benjamin 1813) were all baptized in >the High Street New Connexion Methodist Church. > >My William certainly fits this timeline between Jane and Benjamin. He >could also be the "first born son" that is referenced on the baptismal >record of Benjamin in 1813, which states that he (Benjamin) is the >"*second* son >of Joseph Earnshaw and Mary Horsfall." To date, I have been unable to find >a baptismal record for the first son. It is quite possible that my William >was that child. But where was he baptized? It's quite maddening! Adding >to my frustration, I have also been unable to locate the baptismal records >for the children of William EARNSHAW and Ann BINNS (those listed above 1 >through 6). > >I believe that William, as well as his six children by Ann BINNS, were all >baptized in the Methodist Church. Apart from Mary (#2 listed above), who >was baptized in 1847 at age 15 at All Saints Paddock (given her age, it was >likely a second baptism), there are no records of the other children having >ever been baptized at St. Peter's or All Saints Paddock. In addition, when >Joseph Howard EARNSHAW (my 3rd Great Grandfather and #3 listed above) came >to the United States in 1852, he married twice, both times in >Congregational churches in Massachusetts. Later, Joseph's eldest son, also >named William, was married in a Methodist church. In all cases, main-line >Anglican churches (known as the Episcopal Church in the United States) were >well established and could have been chosen. The fact that they were not >and that Congregational and Methodist churches were chosen instead leads me >to believe that the Earnshaw history as Non-Conformists must be rooted in >their Yorkshire ancestry. The goal then is to find the Non-Conformist >English church records that proves this supposition. > >If anyone has connections to this family or has suggestions as to where I >might look for new leads, I would be most grateful. > >Thank you. > >Some useful websites - >FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ >FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ >FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > >Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki >http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Chris I looked on FindMyPast and did not see them listed. Also looked at Manchester Street and all the residences around the Spread Eagle Inn and again did not see them. Granted I was looking at the transcripts and not images. All the addresses seemed to be listed. If I remember correctly the Spread Eagle inn was listed as 16 Manchester St It was surprising to see that many of the heads of households were Irish. Perhaps an Irish area of Huddersfield. Sorry Mel -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: December 9, 2011 5:11 PM To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WRY] The McGuire family, Huddersfield Hi again, I'm on my third search through the 1861 census for the Huddersfield District and realised that the part of Manchester Street where the McGuires lived in 1851 appears to be missing. They were near the Spread Eagle Inn on Manchester Street. It existed in on the census in 1851 and again in 1871 but it's not on the 1861 CD. Ancestry confirms the McGuires existence in 1861 as Michael and Emma McQuire so I can only think the area has been omitted from the S&N Yorkshire set. Can someone help with an image? Regards ChrisB -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: 08 December 2011 10:05 To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Subject: [WRY] The McGuire family, Huddersfield I have the 1961 West Riding Census on CD and have been searching for the MCGUIRE family in Huddersfield. The individuals involved are Michael age 34 born Ireland Emma 30, wife born Dalton/Almondsbury John 11' born Huddersfield Arthur4, Ann 2' and, maybe, Mary an infant. In 1851 they were in Manchester St near the Spread Eagle Inn but they must have moved(?). Would some kind person have a look for them and let me know the schedule/page etc? Regards Chris B Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Revised version! (GREENWOOD replaced by UTTLEY) I'm trying to track down information about an INGHAM who was a farmer in the valley below Whitehill Nook near Hebden Bridge. I am told he was a great Wesleyan (in touch with John Wesley) and that his home was used as a school for local preachers. His son James (Red) INGHAM, born about 1800, married a Nanny UTTLEY. I am particularly interested in following up the Wesleyan connection and would welcome suggestions. Thanks, Roger in New Zealand

Hello, The following is quite long but has the makings of a good mystery! So please bear with me... I am trying to find the parents of William EARNSHAW and Ann BINNS who were married at St. Peter's in Huddersfield on 25 Aug 1832. The names of their parents do not appear on the marriage record. William and Ann had the following children (all of whom were born in Huddersfield): 1. Elizabeth (born abt 1831 - married George Chappell in Huddersfield in 1854 and then emigrated to USA - died 25 Dec 1887 in Philadelphia); 2. Mary (born 27 Aug 1832 - married Charles Bocock in Huddersfield in 1851 - died 26 May 1899 in Barton-Upon-Irwell, Lancashire); 3. Joseph Howard (born 1835, emigrated to USA - married first, Mary Ann Mason, also from Huddersfield, and second, Jane Stafford); 4. William (born 1837, emigrated to USA - married Susanna Adams - died 23 Sep 1901 in Chicago); 5. Allen (born 10 Jun 1839 - married Emily Daws in Hackney in 1868 - died 17 May 1896 in Stockport, Cheshire); 6. Horsfall Howard (born 17 Feb 1843 - married Melinda Stott in Huddersfield in 1866 - died on 19 Nov 1898 in Huddersfield) William EARNSHAW Senior died in Huddersfield on 17 Jun 1849, age 39. His death record and Census reports made during his lifetime suggest he was born circa 1809/1810. His wife, Ann EARNSHAW (nee BINNS) died in Huddersfield on 12 Mar 1894, age 84. She too would have been born circa 1809/1810. Both William and Ann were buried in the Paddock All Saints Church cemetery. There is strong circumstantial evidence to suggest that William EARNSHAW may be the son of Joseph EARNSHAW and Mary HORSFALL (the most obvious being the choices of given names for William's children, namely, Mary, Joseph and HORSFALL, all three presumably in honor of his parents). That being said, in order to prove this connection I have been trying to locate William's baptismal record. As mentioned above, the census records for England and William's 1849 death record all indicate that William was likely born circa 1809. Three of Joseph and Mary's children -and William's would-be siblings- (Sarah 1803, Jane 1806, and Benjamin 1813) were all baptized in the High Street New Connexion Methodist Church. My William certainly fits this timeline between Jane and Benjamin. He could also be the "first born son" that is referenced on the baptismal record of Benjamin in 1813, which states that he (Benjamin) is the "*second* son of Joseph Earnshaw and Mary Horsfall." To date, I have been unable to find a baptismal record for the first son. It is quite possible that my William was that child. But where was he baptized? It's quite maddening! Adding to my frustration, I have also been unable to locate the baptismal records for the children of William EARNSHAW and Ann BINNS (those listed above 1 through 6). I believe that William, as well as his six children by Ann BINNS, were all baptized in the Methodist Church. Apart from Mary (#2 listed above), who was baptized in 1847 at age 15 at All Saints Paddock (given her age, it was likely a second baptism), there are no records of the other children having ever been baptized at St. Peter's or All Saints Paddock. In addition, when Joseph Howard EARNSHAW (my 3rd Great Grandfather and #3 listed above) came to the United States in 1852, he married twice, both times in Congregational churches in Massachusetts. Later, Joseph's eldest son, also named William, was married in a Methodist church. In all cases, main-line Anglican churches (known as the Episcopal Church in the United States) were well established and could have been chosen. The fact that they were not and that Congregational and Methodist churches were chosen instead leads me to believe that the Earnshaw history as Non-Conformists must be rooted in their Yorkshire ancestry. The goal then is to find the Non-Conformist English church records that proves this supposition. If anyone has connections to this family or has suggestions as to where I might look for new leads, I would be most grateful. Thank you.

Hello Roger, In answer to your query I would suggest that you look on google re the Inghamite Religious Movement started by Benjamin Ingham who was born in Ossett Yorkshire in 1712. He was a friend of Charles & John Wesley. The John Rylands Library in Manchester,England has a very good archive which would help you in your research. Good Luck, Veronica Mathews

Hi Roger, Have you tried the Ryland Library in Manchester. I believe they are the holders of the Wesleyan Archives. My maternal family had a similar history using their farm house for the very early services in Fulwood Nr Sheffield. There is an "Uttley" connection also and they were from Wombwell Nr Barnsley buried in Darfield. Hope this is of help.   Elaine Pickard Sheffield Indexers Site Admin. www.sheffieldindexers.com >________________________________ > From: Roger & Joyce <rnoonan@ihug.co.nz> >To: WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com >Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2011 11:33:10 PM >Subject: [WRY] Correction: INGHAM Wesleyans in Heptonstall area > >Revised version! (GREENWOOD replaced by UTTLEY) > >I'm trying to track down information about an INGHAM who was a farmer in >the valley below Whitehill Nook near Hebden Bridge. I am told he was a >great Wesleyan (in touch with John Wesley) and that his home was used as >a school for local preachers. > >His son James (Red) INGHAM, born about 1800, married a Nanny UTTLEY. > >I am particularly interested in following up the Wesleyan connection and >would welcome suggestions. > >Thanks, > >Roger in New Zealand > >Some useful websites - >FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ >FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ >FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > >Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki >http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Today, on another of the rootsweb lists, was a message pointing out the above programme on BBC radio 4 on the history of the Postal System in England. It is a series of 15 programme of 15 minutes duration each weekday, Monday - Friday, and running from this past Monday 5th Dec. until the 23rd. December, it is broadcast at 1.45pm UK time each day. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b017x3pj For those living outside of the UK, if the above link doesn't work, then I found that by googling for - BBC radio 4, looking under the link at the top of the home page for Programmes and then selecting the letter P from the Alphabet shown there that I found the link to The Poeple's Post where it can be listened to on the bbc iPlayer system. Those living outside of the UK can not watch bbc TV programmes on their iPlayer system but it seems they can listen to the radio programmes in this way. All the episodes broadcast so far this week are available on the bbciPlayer. But be quick because the episodes are only available for about a week each once they have been broadcast on the radio. I found that if I searched for the bbc or bbc.co.uk/radio you seem to get up their world service which does not allow for listening to their normal stations, so search for bbc radio 4 and you should find the programme in this way. The episode, from today 8th Dec., on the Mail Coach is of particular interest to me because my HIRST/DUNHILL family in Northallerton in the North Riding of Yorkshire owned the Golden Lion coaching inn and is listed in trade directories as having been where the post was delivered and collected to and from the inn back in the 19th century. This family of HIRST originally seem to have come from around the Owston & Campsall areas of the WRY and one family member went to live at Badsworth once married & when my line went to Northallerton. The DUNHILL family connection of mine were from Pontefract and involved in liquorice production, Dunhill's Pontefract cakes. Regards Jenny DeAngelis