Further to Andy's reply the Archives guide says that WDP53 St John the Baptist records run from 1538 to 1977 (Baptisms) so this is the obvious suspect. A check as Andy describes should prove it. Some entries are duplicated so try to find the same entry on via the St John link and you may end up on the same page. I have had the same problem but assumed St John the Baptist without really checking which of course I should have done. Nick -----Original Message----- From: Andy Micklethwaite Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:56 AM To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WRY] St Hilda's Church, Halifax, 1538 At 09:30 11/01/2012, Maggie wrote: >Ancestry have this church listed with entries starting in 1538. The only St >Hilda-s I can find in Genuki were built several hundred years later. Does >anyone know what the Ancestry index really refers to? I have a Squire >Jaggar baptism recorded there about 1755, but can't give credence to it >without a church location. Hi Maggie At the bottom of the image there should be a reference number, like D21 - if there isn't, go to the next image until you find one. Then type that number into the CALM catalogue at WYAS prefixed by WDP - or sometimes WD - you might have to play around a bit unless any other lister can come up with a bullet proof method. http://catalogue.wyjs.org.uk/Overview.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog That way you should be able to find out the real church. HTH Andy. Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At 09:30 11/01/2012, Maggie wrote: >Ancestry have this church listed with entries starting in 1538. The only St Hilda-s I can find in Genuki were built several hundred years later. Does anyone know what the Ancestry index really refers to? I have a Squire Jaggar baptism recorded there about 1755, but can't give credence to it without a church location. Hi Maggie At the bottom of the image there should be a reference number, like D21 - if there isn't, go to the next image until you find one. Then type that number into the CALM catalogue at WYAS prefixed by WDP - or sometimes WD - you might have to play around a bit unless any other lister can come up with a bullet proof method. http://catalogue.wyjs.org.uk/Overview.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog That way you should be able to find out the real church. HTH Andy.

Ancestry have this church listed with entries starting in 1538. The only St Hilda-s I can find in Genuki were built several hundred years later. Does anyone know what the Ancestry index really refers to? I have a Squire Jaggar baptism recorded there about 1755, but can't give credence to it without a church location.

Looking for anyone who may have connections to the following families. Mary Elizabeth TURNER married Edwin HELLIWELL 26 Nov 1904, Normanton Edith Eliza TURNER married William Henry STORER 4 Sep 1909, Ravensthorpe John William TURNER married Sarah BAKER 7 Apr 1917, Normanton Emily Jane TURNER married Joseph Ernest COOPER 25 Dec 1917, Normanton Nellie TURNER born Dec q 1879 Willoughby, Lincolnshire. Annie Louisa TURNER born Sep q 1889 Willoughby, Lincolnshire. Alice TURNER born Dec q 1903 Normanton, Yorkshire. This family originated in Willoughby, Lincolnshire and in the 1901 census were living in Normanton, Yorkshire. Their mother Ann Elizabeth TURNER nee MACKRILL remarried to Michael STURGEON / STRIDGEON Dec q 1909, Wakefield. Thanks, Leonard

Dear All, This is merely a reminder for those who know already, but a clarion call to those who don't, that I am always keen to hear from anyone with any connection to, or additional information on the HARGREAVE family of Armley, as follows: James HARGREAVE b. 1750, (bapt. 20th July, 1750, Armley, Yorkshire) m. Mary BOTTOMLEY, 26th July, 1774, St. Peter's, Leeds d. ????? (the son of James HARGREAVE of Armley, of whom nothing further is known) James HARGREAVE ("the Elder") b. 1775 (bapt. 23rd April, 1775, Armley, Yorkshire) m. Sarah BROWN (b. c. 1771-1776), 2nd July, 1794, St. Peter's, Leeds d. 9th July, 1844, at Buckingham House, Headingley, Leeds, of old age, a gentleman James HARGREAVE ("the Younger") b. 1794 (bapt. 16th November, 1794, Armley, Yorkshire) m. Sarah MUSGRAVE, 15th January, 1817, St. Peter's, Leeds d. bef. 1844 Emily HARGREAVE b. 1819 (bapt. 18th July, 1819, Wortley by Leeds) m. William MAWSON, June Quarter, 1841, in Leeds d. 1867 Emily and William are my great-great-grandparents. A Happy New Year to one and all. ATB -- Mike Michael Hargreave Mawson Born in the North Riding, but now a Soft Southern Jessie.

Hello List I think I have traced my wife's Yorkshire NORMAN line back to 1680 but am investigating some unproven links. One concerns a John NORMAN bap Darfield, Yorks 18 May 1776. It seems he emigrated to the USA and died in Illinois aged 73 in 1849. I do not have access to ships passenger lists or American naturalisation records ( as available on Ancestry Worldwide subscription). I wonder if anyone has, or can find, any records about his passage to the USA or his becoming a US citizen ? It seems he was living in Yorkshire until at least 1815 and may also have lived in the USA from an early age until sometime before his marriage in England in about 1794. Also interested in Joseph ( Lafayette ?) NORMAN, said to be father of above. Born in England, probably Yorkshire 1750. Lived in USA at least from 1777 (when he married Eleanor (Nellie) Bartlett in Orange County, N Carolina) until his death in 1809 in Orange County, NC. Any records of his passage to the USA or his becoming a US citizen would be very helpful. Ancestry does have quite a few public family trees with details of these two NORMANs but source details are not clear. There was a flurry of interest in these NORMANs on various Rootsweb lists about 5 years ago but nothing really fully sourced as far as I can see. Thanks Ian L

Hi Keith. I haven't actually done the Sharp line. There are various reasons for this. Another member of the family did some research but only got back to Seth b.1836, in Huddersfield. Whether any of the early family seperated I have no idea. But then Sharp is a fairly common name so there probably isn't any connection. Have a happy new year. Regards Jenny. ----- Original Message ----- From: <keithjoansharp@tiscali.co.uk> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] THOMAS KENWORTHY > Hi Jenny > > My Sharp family comes from within 5 miles of Leeds Traced back > to 1686 > > Regards > Keith Sharp > >>----Original Message---- >>From: sharjen@vic.chariot.net.au >>Date: 27/12/2011 9:51 >>To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> >>Subj: Re: [WRY] THOMAS KENWORTHY >> >>Thank you everyone for your assistance. You have at least given me > a > >>starting point. > >>A seperate note to Keith, my husbands family came from Huddersfield > and > >>surrounds in Yorkshire. I wonder if there is a connection? > >> > >>Regards Jenny Sharp > >> > >> > >>Some useful websites - > >>FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ >>FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ >>FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > >> >>Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki >>http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ >> > >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Sorry, I forgot to answer your questions before I hit send. Thomas gave his place of birth as Hoyland Nether. I'm not sure where that is in relation to Worsboro. His father James was supposedly a farmer, and Thomas was an ag lab. His son, Charles was born in Ardsley. I know there are many Kenworthy's in that part of the world, and this lot seems to have moved about. It makes it very difficult to track down just one of them. So I wish to voice my appreciation of everyone's kind help. Jenny Sharp

Thank you everyone for your assistance. You have at least given me a starting point. A seperate note to Keith, my husbands family came from Huddersfield and surrounds in Yorkshire. I wonder if there is a connection? Regards Jenny Sharp

If Thomas gave his birthplace as Hoyland Nether, I would look very kindly on the christening in Dec 1814 at Wentworth, parents James and Mary, as Hoyland nether is only 2 or 3 miles from Wentworth.   Maybe someone with access to these PRs could confirm James' occupation?   regards, Lesley ________________________________ From: Jenny Sharp <sharjen@vic.chariot.net.au> To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 27 December 2011, 10:02 Subject: Re: [WRY] THOMAS KENWORTHY Sorry, I forgot to answer your questions before I hit send. Thomas gave his place of birth as Hoyland Nether. I'm not sure where that is in relation to Worsboro. His father James was supposedly a farmer, and Thomas was an ag lab. His son, Charles was born in Ardsley. I know there are many Kenworthy's in that part of the world, and this lot seems to have moved about. It makes it very difficult to track down just one of them. So I wish to voice my appreciation of everyone's kind help. Jenny Sharp Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jenny My Sharp family comes from within 5 miles of Leeds Traced back to 1686 Regards Keith Sharp >----Original Message---- >From: sharjen@vic.chariot.net.au >Date: 27/12/2011 9:51 >To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> >Subj: Re: [WRY] THOMAS KENWORTHY > >Thank you everyone for your assistance. You have at least given me a >starting point. >A seperate note to Keith, my husbands family came from Huddersfield and >surrounds in Yorkshire. I wonder if there is a connection? > >Regards Jenny Sharp > > >Some useful websites - >FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ >FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ >FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > >Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki >http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Jenny when you found Thomas Kenworthy on the 1871 census where did it say he and Bessie were born also where did it say they were living at the time of the Census plus what was his occupation.Believe Worsborough is in Yorkshire. Bill Avoca Beach Nsw

I am hoping that someone is able to help me out. My 2xgreat grandfather was Thomas Kenworthy. He was born c1811 and married Bessy Gelder in Worsborough church on 26th July 1841. On his marriage certificate he gave his father's name as James, but of course no mothers name. Thomas appears on the 1871 census as head, but in 1881 Bessy is head. So I assume he died in that 10 year gap. However there is no death recorded on the free BMD. My questions are, when did Thomas die, and who was "James". Also where did Thomas' family come from. I live in a small town in Australia and have to rely mostly on whatever I can find on the internet, which isn't much. I would very much appreciate anyone who lives in the Worsborough/Darfield area who can help me, or even someone who is also researching this line. Regards Jenny Sharp

Hi jenny   There are two deaths for a Thomas Kenworthy between 1871 and 1881 in the Barnsley registration district, which is the appropriate one for the Worsborough area. One is in the June quarter of 1871, aged 66, the other in the June quarter of 1879, aged 67. The latter one fits well with an 1811 birth date. Where does Thomas claim as his birthplace in the censuses? regards, Lesley ________________________________ From: Jenny Sharp <sharjen@vic.chariot.net.au> To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 26 December 2011, 11:03 Subject: [WRY] THOMAS KENWORTHY I am hoping that someone is able to help me out. My 2xgreat grandfather was Thomas Kenworthy. He was born c1811 and married Bessy Gelder in Worsborough church on 26th July 1841. On his marriage certificate he gave his father's name as James, but of course no mothers name. Thomas appears on the 1871 census as head, but in 1881 Bessy is head. So I assume he died in that 10 year gap. However there is no death recorded on the free BMD. My questions are, when did Thomas die, and who was "James". Also where did Thomas' family come from. I live in a small town in Australia and have to rely mostly on whatever I can find on the internet, which isn't much. I would very much appreciate anyone who lives in the Worsborough/Darfield area who can help me, or even someone who is also researching this line. Regards Jenny Sharp Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jenny. On Ancestry Death records I think you will find that your Thomas Kenworthy dies and registered in June Qtr 1879 the estimated birth year 1812 this is in Barnsley Registry district. Worsborough is about 3 miles away Regards Keith Sharp (Yorkshire man exiled in The Wirral) >----Original Message---- >From: sharjen@vic.chariot.net.au >Date: 26/12/2011 11:03 >To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> >Subj: [WRY] THOMAS KENWORTHY > >I am hoping that someone is able to help me out. My 2xgreat grandfather was Thomas Kenworthy. He was born c1811 and married Bessy Gelder in Worsborough church on 26th July 1841. On his marriage certificate he gave his father's name as James, but of course no mothers name. Thomas appears on the 1871 census as head, but in 1881 Bessy is head. So I assume he died in that 10 year gap. However there is no death recorded on the free BMD. > >My questions are, when did Thomas die, and who was "James". Also where did Thomas' family come from. >I live in a small town in Australia and have to rely mostly on whatever I can find on the internet, which isn't much. > >I would very much appreciate anyone who lives in the Worsborough/Darfield area who can help me, or even someone who is also researching this line. > >Regards Jenny Sharp > >Some useful websites - >FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ >FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ >FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > >Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki >http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Jenny, I don't know if this will help or not, but .........from I.G.I. ........ There is a bapt. for a Thomas KENWORTHY, 4 Aug 1811, son of James and Mary, of Saddleworth. and a marriage, 19 Dec 1799 of a James KENWORTHY to Mary SCHOFIELD, also at Saddleworth. There seems to be loads of KENWORTHY's in Saddleworth. Gordon. On 26 December 2011 11:03, Jenny Sharp <sharjen@vic.chariot.net.au> wrote: > I am hoping that someone is able to help me out. My 2xgreat grandfather was Thomas Kenworthy. He was born c1811 and married Bessy Gelder in Worsborough church on 26th July 1841. On his marriage certificate he gave his father's name as James, but of course no mothers name. Thomas appears on the 1871 census as head, but in 1881 Bessy is head. So I assume he died in that 10 year gap. However there is no death recorded on the free BMD. > > My questions are, when did Thomas die, and who was "James". Also where did Thomas' family come from. > I live in a small town in Australia and have to rely mostly on whatever I can find on the internet, which isn't much. > > I would very much appreciate anyone who lives in the Worsborough/Darfield area who can help me, or even someone who is also researching this line. > > Regards Jenny Sharp > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Calder High School only perform once in Weaver Square, in recent years at the end of the day.  The other 4 or 5 shows are performed by the Heptenstall Players. HB --- On Wed, 14/12/11, roy.stockdill@btinternet.com <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> wrote: From: roy.stockdill@btinternet.com <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [WRY] Heptonstall To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, 14 December, 2011, 16:58 From:               Judith Varley <judith.varley@btinternet.com> > Hi List, > Good Friday is a good day to visit Heptonstall, this is the day when > the traditional Pace Egg Play is performed in the Weaver Square at > regular intervals during the day. > This play is said to be the oldest drama in the world dating back to > ancient Egypt. In it St George takes on contenders such as the Bold > Slasher , the Black Prince of Paradine and other outrages > characters well worth a visit > Judith         > My cousin Judith is quite right. The Pace Egg Play is performed by pupils from Calder High School, Mytholmroyd, on Good Friday, or at least it was when I lived there in the 1950s. In my day it was performed by the boys only but probably the cast is mixed these days. They also performed the play in other places in the Calder Valley, including Mytholmroyd, Midgley and Hebden Bridge as well as Heptonstall. Enter "Pace Egg Play" in Google for a full account of its tradition and history. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From: Judith Varley <judith.varley@btinternet.com> > Hi List, > Good Friday is a good day to visit Heptonstall, this is the day when > the traditional Pace Egg Play is performed in the Weaver Square at > regular intervals during the day. > This play is said to be the oldest drama in the world dating back to > ancient Egypt. In it St George takes on contenders such as the Bold > Slasher , the Black Prince of Paradine and other outrages > characters well worth a visit > Judith > My cousin Judith is quite right. The Pace Egg Play is performed by pupils from Calder High School, Mytholmroyd, on Good Friday, or at least it was when I lived there in the 1950s. In my day it was performed by the boys only but probably the cast is mixed these days. They also performed the play in other places in the Calder Valley, including Mytholmroyd, Midgley and Hebden Bridge as well as Heptonstall. Enter "Pace Egg Play" in Google for a full account of its tradition and history. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi List, Good Friday is a good day to visit Heptonstall, this is the day when the traditional Pace Egg Play is performed in the Weaver Square at regular intervals during the day. This play is said to be the oldest drama in the world dating back to ancient Egypt. In it St George takes on contenders such as the Bold Slasher , the Black Prince of Paradine and other outrages characters well worth a visit Judith

I used to watch the play - also on Good Friday - being performed in George Square in Hebden Bridge. As I was at primary school then (the 1950s) I am not too sure which school the boys came from, but I thought it was Calder High, as the only secondary school I recall in the area. Perhaps a separate group went simultaneously to each of the towns. Its association with Easter made the name of Pace Egg link a long time ago in my mind with "Pesach", Hebrew for Passover. I certainly think it has Christian roots rather than ancient Egyptian ones, but they are pretty old anyway. Maggie -----Original Message----- From: roy.stockdill <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> To: west-riding <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 17:41 Subject: Re: [WRY] Heptonstall From: Judith Varley <judith.varley@btinternet.com> > Hi List, > Good Friday is a good day to visit Heptonstall, this is the day when > the traditional Pace Egg Play is performed in the Weaver Square at > regular intervals during the day. > This play is said to be the oldest drama in the world dating back to > ancient Egypt. In it St George takes on contenders such as the Bold > Slasher , the Black Prince of Paradine and other outrages > characters well worth a visit > Judith > My cousin Judith is quite right. The Pace Egg Play is performed by pupils from Calder High School, Mytholmroyd, on Good Friday, or at least it was when I lived there in the 1950s. In my day it was performed by the boys only but probably the cast is mixed these days. They also performed the play in other places in the Calder Valley, including Mytholmroyd, Midgley and Hebden Bridge as well as Heptonstall. Enter "Pace Egg Play" in Google for a full account of its tradition and history. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message