Mary Lou, He was born to John [1811-1888] and Elizabeth Coates, date is 'about,' he married Alice and had a number of children including an Oliver and Alfred between 1863-1878, and was living in Bradford in 1881. It is mostly from the census and FreeBMD, no parish records or exact dates, etc. Oliver came to Massachusetts. Please email me off list if you want more. Liane

Having only the U.S. subscription to Ancestry, I'm hoping that SKS will have a look at JAMES COATES b. 1840 in the West Riding. I see that there is a family tree posted, but I can't get the details to see if it is indeed my man. Any clues would be great! Thanks.....mary lou

Yes Roy, Additionally, this is not the only marriage I have found in the new Ancestry transcriptions from YAS that does not appear in the GRO Indexes. Rod At 08:01 24/01/2012, you wrote: >I tend to doubt the incorrectly-indexed error was at FreeBMD, much more >likely the GRO's - >as you will know, Rod, if you have read Mike Foster's book "A Comedy of >Errors or The >Marriage Records of England and Wales 1837-1899". > >It would seem likely to me, as others have pointed out, that the two >people concerned DID >marry each other, albeit apparently in different quarters! RSVP. Please support the St.George Foundation: www.adecentlife.org

Does anyone have any WHITTAKER ancestors who resided in Huddersfield? I have been searching for proof of the death of my ancestor, and yesterday found a small notice in the Leeds Mercury from Nov. 1865 stating that a John WHITTAKER died Sep. 17, 1865 at York Cottage, in Parell, India, and that he was formerly of Huddersfield, Yorkshire. My ancestor was born about 1827 in Oulton, Leeds, West Yorkshire. He was the son of Robert WHITTAKER, a tailor and draper, and Hannah WRIGGLESWORTH. John WHITTAKER was a joiner, carpenter, builder by occupation and had business dealings in and around Oulton and Lancashire, before filing for bankruptcy, then being sent to debtors prison in the Gaol of York, before finally going to India in the late 1850s. Would like to confirm if the death notice is that of my ancester, and need proof he lived in Huddlesford. Marina

From: Rod Clayburn <rod.clayburn@one-name.org> > Hello Maggie, > > No problem, the marriage certificate was in the Ancestry images > taken from WYAS records, so all the details are correct, just missing from the > green books or incorrectly indexed by FreeBMD, not sure which.> I tend to doubt the incorrectly-indexed error was at FreeBMD, much more likely the GRO's - as you will know, Rod, if you have read Mike Foster's book "A Comedy of Errors or The Marriage Records of England and Wales 1837-1899". It would seem likely to me, as others have pointed out, that the two people concerned DID marry each other, albeit apparently in different quarters! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hello Maggie, No problem, the marriage certificate was in the Ancestry images taken from WYAS records, so all the details are correct, just missing from the green books or incorrectly indexed by FreeBMD, not sure which. Thank you Rod At 08:01 23/01/2012, maggiemole@aol.com wrote: >I did a quick check of the image for the index in Q2 1900 and found Mary >Elizabeth Kenyon, as expected. There is no John Bailey in Huddersfield - >in fact no male marrying in Huddersfield in that quarter who could be the >groom. So the fault seems not to be that of FreeBMD, but of the compilers >of the index. I can see no alternative but to order her marriage >certificate! (which I'm sure you were hoping to avoid). RSVP. Please support the St.George Foundation: www.adecentlife.org

Hello Chris, Many thanks for this. It has also been pointed out that the YAS West Riding material is on Ancestry, now I remember why I pay them subs! Best Rod At 08:01 22/01/2012, west-riding-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >Here is a partial answer. I didn't find the actual marriage register >entry, only the banns. > >Ancestry.co.uk has a WRY marriage collection. I found marriage banns for >John BAILEY and Mary Elizabeth KENYON, 1st-8th-15th April 1900 at >Holmbridge, St David. Both parties were "of this parish". Banns for the >Ben KAYE/Agnes WAKEFIELD couple appear on the same page. > >Looking at the FreeBMD index, there are entries for > >Mary Elizabeth KENYON m. Huddersfield (Q2 1900) vol. 9a pg. 573 >John BAILEY m. Huddersfield (Q4 1900) vol. 9a pg. 575. > >So possibly John BAILEY's record was mis-indexed by the GRO. > >Sometimes the volume/page references in the GRO index are okay but are >mis-transcribed in one of the online indices. The workaround is to look at >another agency's transcription, i.e. try findmypast.co.uk if you already >tried FreeBMD. > >Chris Morley RSVP. Please support the St.George Foundation: www.adecentlife.org

I did a quick check of the image for the index in Q2 1900 and found Mary Elizabeth Kenyon, as expected. There is no John Bailey in Huddersfield - in fact no male marrying in Huddersfield in that quarter who could be the groom. So the fault seems not to be that of FreeBMD, but of the compilers of the index. I can see no alternative but to order her marriage certificate! (which I'm sure you were hoping to avoid). cheers Maggie -----Original Message----- From: Rod Clayburn <rod.clayburn@one-name.org> To: west-riding <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 10:20 Subject: Re: [WRY] WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 7, Issue 4 Hello Chris, Many thanks for this. It has also been pointed out that the YAS West Riding material is on Ancestry, now I remember why I pay them subs! Best Rod At 08:01 22/01/2012, west-riding-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >Here is a partial answer. I didn't find the actual marriage register >entry, only the banns. > >Ancestry.co.uk has a WRY marriage collection. I found marriage banns for >John BAILEY and Mary Elizabeth KENYON, 1st-8th-15th April 1900 at >Holmbridge, St David. Both parties were "of this parish". Banns for the >Ben KAYE/Agnes WAKEFIELD couple appear on the same page. > >Looking at the FreeBMD index, there are entries for > >Mary Elizabeth KENYON m. Huddersfield (Q2 1900) vol. 9a pg. 573 >John BAILEY m. Huddersfield (Q4 1900) vol. 9a pg. 575. > >So possibly John BAILEY's record was mis-indexed by the GRO. > >Sometimes the volume/page references in the GRO index are okay but are >mis-transcribed in one of the online indices. The workaround is to look at >another agency's transcription, i.e. try findmypast.co.uk if you already >tried FreeBMD. > >Chris Morley RSVP. Please support the St.George Foundation: www.adecentlife.org Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I have reached another impasse. Mary Elizabeth KENYON married in the Huddersfield Registration District during June Quarter of 1900. There are only three persons mentioned on FreeBMD and the other two people married each other. I have tried downloading the entire quarter for Huddersfield but nothing can be worked out. Can anyone point me to a solution please? Many thanks Rod

Rod, Here is a partial answer. I didn't find the actual marriage register entry, only the banns. Ancestry.co.uk has a WRY marriage collection. I found marriage banns for John BAILEY and Mary Elizabeth KENYON, 1st-8th-15th April 1900 at Holmbridge, St David. Both parties were "of this parish". Banns for the Ben KAYE/Agnes WAKEFIELD couple appear on the same page. Looking at the FreeBMD index, there are entries for Mary Elizabeth KENYON m. Huddersfield (Q2 1900) vol. 9a pg. 573 John BAILEY m. Huddersfield (Q4 1900) vol. 9a pg. 575. So possibly John BAILEY's record was mis-indexed by the GRO. Sometimes the volume/page references in the GRO index are okay but are mis-transcribed in one of the online indices. The workaround is to look at another agency's transcription, i.e. try findmypast.co.uk if you already tried FreeBMD. Chris Morley http://www.MorleyOfHalifax.com > Hello, > > I have reached another impasse. > > Mary Elizabeth KENYON married in the Huddersfield Registration > District during June Quarter of 1900. > There are only three persons mentioned on FreeBMD and the other two > people married each other. > I have tried downloading the entire quarter for Huddersfield but > nothing can be worked out. > Can anyone point me to a solution please? > > Many thanks > Rod > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In case you don't know and it's of use to you, there's a copy of The Nonconformist Register/ Northworam or Coley Register available for download at www.archive.org ChrisB ----- Original Message ----- From: <maggiemole@aol.com> To: <info@morleyofhalifax.com>; <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] Continuing St Hilda ... > Chris, thank you for this comprehesive reply. Isn't it wonderful that all > Non-Conformist registers will also be on Ancestry? > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Morley <info@morleyofhalifax.com> > To: WEST-RIDING <WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:32 > Subject: Re: [WRY] Continuing St Hilda ... > > > Another way to find reference numbers is under the "Source" tab on the > right side of the Ancestry "image viewer" layout. You may have to un-hide > this panel by clicking the ">>" on the right side of the screen. > > And as an alternative to the WYAS CALM catalogue, you could use collection > guide 1 or 2 > (http://www.archives.wyjs.org.uk/archives-collections-guides.asp), > depending on the denomination of the church. > > On Ancestry, page 1 of 6 for the 1755 "Halifax, St Hilda" records has the > WYAS source citation "Old Reference Number: D9/6; New Reference Number: > WDP9/6". > > Collection guide 1 says "WDP9" corresponds to Dewsbury, All Saints, with > events dating back to 1538. "WDP9" also corresponds to two missions in > Dewsbury, but these records don't start until well after 1755. > > On another note, the page > http://www.archives.wyjs.org.uk/archives-ancestry.asp has been updated; > the next phase of the WYAS collection is due to be launched in the > springtime. It was previously expected for the end of 2011. I understand > the delay is Ancestry's doing. > > Chris Morley > http://www.MorleyOfHalifax.com > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Chris, thank you for this comprehesive reply. Isn't it wonderful that all Non-Conformist registers will also be on Ancestry? -----Original Message----- From: Chris Morley <info@morleyofhalifax.com> To: WEST-RIDING <WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:32 Subject: Re: [WRY] Continuing St Hilda ... Another way to find reference numbers is under the "Source" tab on the right side of the Ancestry "image viewer" layout. You may have to un-hide this panel by clicking the ">>" on the right side of the screen. And as an alternative to the WYAS CALM catalogue, you could use collection guide 1 or 2 (http://www.archives.wyjs.org.uk/archives-collections-guides.asp), depending on the denomination of the church. On Ancestry, page 1 of 6 for the 1755 "Halifax, St Hilda" records has the WYAS source citation "Old Reference Number: D9/6; New Reference Number: WDP9/6". Collection guide 1 says "WDP9" corresponds to Dewsbury, All Saints, with events dating back to 1538. "WDP9" also corresponds to two missions in Dewsbury, but these records don't start until well after 1755. On another note, the page http://www.archives.wyjs.org.uk/archives-ancestry.asp has been updated; the next phase of the WYAS collection is due to be launched in the springtime. It was previously expected for the end of 2011. I understand the delay is Ancestry's doing. Chris Morley http://www.MorleyOfHalifax.com Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The University of Leicester is investigating the genetic legacy of the Vikings and is looking for males with Northern surnames to participate in a Y-DNA study. Recruitment clinics are being held next weekend. See http://leicestersurnamesproject.org.uk/ for dates, eligibility and surnames. I see many West Yorkshire surnames on this list and I know that one of this study's collaborators has a big interest in Yorkshire names. I found out about this through the latest LostCousins newsletter (http://www.lostcousins.com/newsletters/midjan12news.htm) and thought it was worth passing on. Apologies for any duplication. Chris Morley http://www.MorleyOfHalifax.com

Another way to find reference numbers is under the "Source" tab on the right side of the Ancestry "image viewer" layout. You may have to un-hide this panel by clicking the ">>" on the right side of the screen. And as an alternative to the WYAS CALM catalogue, you could use collection guide 1 or 2 (http://www.archives.wyjs.org.uk/archives-collections-guides.asp), depending on the denomination of the church. On Ancestry, page 1 of 6 for the 1755 "Halifax, St Hilda" records has the WYAS source citation "Old Reference Number: D9/6; New Reference Number: WDP9/6". Collection guide 1 says "WDP9" corresponds to Dewsbury, All Saints, with events dating back to 1538. "WDP9" also corresponds to two missions in Dewsbury, but these records don't start until well after 1755. On another note, the page http://www.archives.wyjs.org.uk/archives-ancestry.asp has been updated; the next phase of the WYAS collection is due to be launched in the springtime. It was previously expected for the end of 2011. I understand the delay is Ancestry's doing. Chris Morley http://www.MorleyOfHalifax.com

It states 1538 because All Saints records also start at 1538. The date ranges seem to correct where the church name is wrong so do offer a clue. I had a quick look through the catalogue and I think the only other records held at Wakefield from 1538 are those of Wragby as well as Halifax. If the collection reference isn't on the bottom of the fiche then the dates do give a hint in this case Halifax, Wragby or Dewsbury. But in this case you have that reference too. D9/6 is the 6th fiche (or film) of the D9 series of fiches which represent the original document collection held at Wakefield (WDP9). My catalogue says that WDP9 covers Dewsbury All Saints, Dewsbury St James and St Philip, Mission. So as others have said its certainly Dewsbury All Saints. Nick -----Original Message----- From: maggiemole@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 8:45 PM To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WRY] St Hilda's Church, Halifax, 1538 Thank you all for your suggestions. The Ancestry image has D9/6 at its foot, so this is what I've tried to find. I've tried all sorts of variations including the WDP or WD prefix, and the CALM catalogue only seems to respond to a request for WDP9 - which as Sharon says is All Saints Dewsbury. WDP9/6 is a subsection of a composite register (baptisms, marriages and burials together) but only begins in 1753 and runs up to 1774. This makes it probable that my Squire Jaggar baptism in 1760 occurred in Dewsbury. Drat! Not where I wanted him! But it doesn't explain the beginnings of the "St Hilda's" record set for 1538. Nick's suggestion that it probably means Halifax St John's is the most likely answer but it would be nice to know. I shall be visiting Wakefield in February if all goes well, maybe I should ask them while I'm there. You wonder if the name of St Hilda was pulled out of a hat!! (or a wimple). Thanks again. Maggie -----Original Message----- From: Pontefract FHS <pontefhs@btinternet.com> To: west-riding <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:11 Subject: Re: [WRY] St Hilda's Church, Halifax, 1538 Try Dewsbury, I have found some of my ancestors listed by Ancestry in the West Yorkshire records as married 1702 St Hilda Halifax when I know the actual church was All Saints Dewsbury which is WPD9 as per the WYAS guide. Halifax St Hilda is WDP201 and according to the archives catalogue the records in their collection do not start until 1903 Sharon Buchanan vicechair@pontefractfhs.org.uk www.pontefractfhs.org.uk -------------------------------------------------- From: "Nick Taylor" <familyhistory@cnrt.co.uk> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:17 AM To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [WRY] St Hilda's Church, Halifax, 1538 > Further to Andy's reply the Archives guide says that WDP53 St John the > Baptist records run from 1538 to 1977 (Baptisms) so this is the obvious > suspect. A check as Andy describes should prove it. Some entries are > duplicated so try to find the same entry on via the St John link and you > may > end up on the same page. I have had the same problem but assumed St John > the Baptist without really checking which of course I should have done. > > Nick > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Micklethwaite > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:56 AM > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WRY] St Hilda's Church, Halifax, 1538 > > At 09:30 11/01/2012, Maggie wrote: >>Ancestry have this church listed with entries starting in 1538. The only >>St >>Hilda-s I can find in Genuki were built several hundred years later. Does >>anyone know what the Ancestry index really refers to? I have a Squire >>Jaggar baptism recorded there about 1755, but can't give credence to it >>without a church location. > > Hi Maggie > > At the bottom of the image there should be a reference number, like D21 - > if > there isn't, go to the next image until you find one. > > Then type that number into the CALM catalogue at WYAS prefixed by WDP - or > sometimes WD - you might have to play around a bit unless any other lister > can come up with a bullet proof method. > http://catalogue.wyjs.org.uk/Overview.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog > > That way you should be able to find out the real church. > > HTH Andy. > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi The answer is quite simple, Ancestry have made a major cock up when indexing these records. This is just one example of many churches they have mixed up. If you go back through this mailing lists archives from June when the WYAS records went live you will find loads of messages about churches being wrongly indexed. The St Hilda set starting at 1538 is not St Hilda Halifax it is All Saints Dewsbury EG. Kippax St Mary records were indexed as Hunset Moor, Castleford All Saints indexed as Wakefield, very early18thC  Castleford All Saints records indexed as Castleford St John which did not open until 1913. Sharon Buchanan vicechair@pontefractfhs.org.uk www.pontefractfhs.org.uk --- On Wed, 11/1/12, maggiemole@aol.com <maggiemole@aol.com> wrote: From: maggiemole@aol.com <maggiemole@aol.com> Subject: Re: [WRY] St Hilda's Church, Halifax, 1538 To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, 11 January, 2012, 20:45 Thank you all for your suggestions. The Ancestry image has D9/6 at its foot, so this is what I've tried to find. I've tried all sorts of variations including the WDP or WD prefix, and the CALM catalogue only seems to respond to a request for WDP9 - which as Sharon says is All Saints Dewsbury. WDP9/6 is a subsection of a composite register (baptisms, marriages and burials together) but only begins in 1753 and runs up to 1774. This makes it probable that my Squire Jaggar baptism in 1760 occurred in Dewsbury. Drat! Not where I wanted him! But it doesn't explain the beginnings of the "St Hilda's" record set for 1538. Nick's suggestion that it probably means Halifax St John's is the most likely answer but it would be nice to know. I shall be visiting Wakefield in February if all goes well, maybe I should ask them while I'm there. You wonder if the name of St Hilda was pulled out of a hat!! (or a wimple). Thanks again. Maggie -----Original Message----- From: Pontefract FHS <pontefhs@btinternet.com> To: west-riding <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:11 Subject: Re: [WRY] St Hilda's Church, Halifax, 1538 Try Dewsbury, I have found some of my ancestors listed by Ancestry in the West Yorkshire records as married 1702 St Hilda Halifax when I know the actual church was All Saints Dewsbury which is WPD9 as per the WYAS guide. Halifax St Hilda is WDP201 and according to the archives catalogue the records in their collection do not start until 1903 Sharon Buchanan vicechair@pontefractfhs.org.uk www.pontefractfhs.org.uk -------------------------------------------------- From: "Nick Taylor" <familyhistory@cnrt.co.uk> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:17 AM To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [WRY] St Hilda's Church, Halifax, 1538 > Further to Andy's reply the Archives guide says that WDP53 St John the > Baptist records run from 1538 to 1977 (Baptisms) so this is the obvious > suspect.   A check as Andy describes should prove it.   Some entries are > duplicated so try to find the same entry on via the St John link and you > may > end up on the same page.   I have had the same problem but assumed St John > the Baptist without really checking which of course I should have done. > > Nick > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Micklethwaite > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:56 AM > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WRY] St Hilda's Church, Halifax, 1538 > > At 09:30 11/01/2012, Maggie wrote: >>Ancestry have this church listed with entries starting in 1538. The only >>St >>Hilda-s I can find in Genuki were built several hundred years later. Does >>anyone know what the Ancestry index really refers to? I have a Squire >>Jaggar baptism recorded there about 1755, but can't give credence to it >>without a church location. > > Hi Maggie > > At the bottom of the image there should be a reference number, like D21 - > if > there isn't, go to the next image until you find one. > > Then type that number into the CALM catalogue at WYAS prefixed by WDP - or > sometimes WD - you might have to play around a bit unless any other lister > can come up with a bullet proof method. > http://catalogue.wyjs.org.uk/Overview.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog > > That way you should be able to find out the real church. > > HTH Andy. > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Maggie St Hilda's was a 100 years old last year, my partner and I attended the celebrations.  So compared to some churches in Halifax it is quite modern. Elaine ________________________________ From: "maggiemole@aol.com" <maggiemole@aol.com> To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 11 January 2012, 20:45 Subject: Re: [WRY] St Hilda's Church, Halifax, 1538 Thank you all for your suggestions. The Ancestry image has D9/6 at its foot, so this is what I've tried to find. I've tried all sorts of variations including the WDP or WD prefix, and the CALM catalogue only seems to respond to a request for WDP9 - which as Sharon says is All Saints Dewsbury. WDP9/6 is a subsection of a composite register (baptisms, marriages and burials together) but only begins in 1753 and runs up to 1774. This makes it probable that my Squire Jaggar baptism in 1760 occurred in Dewsbury. Drat! Not where I wanted him! But it doesn't explain the beginnings of the "St Hilda's" record set for 1538. Nick's suggestion that it probably means Halifax St John's is the most likely answer but it would be nice to know. I shall be visiting Wakefield in February if all goes well, maybe I should ask them while I'm there. You wonder if the name of St Hilda was pulled out of a hat!! (or a wimple). Thanks again. Maggie -----Original Message----- From: Pontefract FHS <pontefhs@btinternet.com> To: west-riding <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:11 Subject: Re: [WRY] St Hilda's Church, Halifax, 1538 Try Dewsbury, I have found some of my ancestors listed by Ancestry in the West Yorkshire records as married 1702 St Hilda Halifax when I know the actual church was All Saints Dewsbury which is WPD9 as per the WYAS guide. Halifax St Hilda is WDP201 and according to the archives catalogue the records in their collection do not start until 1903 Sharon Buchanan vicechair@pontefractfhs.org.uk www.pontefractfhs.org.uk -------------------------------------------------- From: "Nick Taylor" <familyhistory@cnrt.co.uk> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:17 AM To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [WRY] St Hilda's Church, Halifax, 1538 > Further to Andy's reply the Archives guide says that WDP53 St John the > Baptist records run from 1538 to 1977 (Baptisms) so this is the obvious > suspect.  A check as Andy describes should prove it.  Some entries are > duplicated so try to find the same entry on via the St John link and you > may > end up on the same page.  I have had the same problem but assumed St John > the Baptist without really checking which of course I should have done. > > Nick > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Micklethwaite > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:56 AM > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WRY] St Hilda's Church, Halifax, 1538 > > At 09:30 11/01/2012, Maggie wrote: >>Ancestry have this church listed with entries starting in 1538. The only >>St >>Hilda-s I can find in Genuki were built several hundred years later. Does >>anyone know what the Ancestry index really refers to? I have a Squire >>Jaggar baptism recorded there about 1755, but can't give credence to it >>without a church location. > > Hi Maggie > > At the bottom of the image there should be a reference number, like D21 - > if > there isn't, go to the next image until you find one. > > Then type that number into the CALM catalogue at WYAS prefixed by WDP - or > sometimes WD - you might have to play around a bit unless any other lister > can come up with a bullet proof method. > http://catalogue.wyjs.org.uk/Overview.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog > > That way you should be able to find out the real church. > > HTH Andy. > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The 1538 image has D9/1 at its foot. This could still mean the Dewsbury Church which Genuki says has its registers at Wakefield, starting in 1538. I must confess I don't understand what WYAS are saying under this record description, it says it's a collection of 59 records from 1538 to 1999 under the header registration. But it is a separate category from the normal registers. Maggie

Thank you all for your suggestions. The Ancestry image has D9/6 at its foot, so this is what I've tried to find. I've tried all sorts of variations including the WDP or WD prefix, and the CALM catalogue only seems to respond to a request for WDP9 - which as Sharon says is All Saints Dewsbury. WDP9/6 is a subsection of a composite register (baptisms, marriages and burials together) but only begins in 1753 and runs up to 1774. This makes it probable that my Squire Jaggar baptism in 1760 occurred in Dewsbury. Drat! Not where I wanted him! But it doesn't explain the beginnings of the "St Hilda's" record set for 1538. Nick's suggestion that it probably means Halifax St John's is the most likely answer but it would be nice to know. I shall be visiting Wakefield in February if all goes well, maybe I should ask them while I'm there. You wonder if the name of St Hilda was pulled out of a hat!! (or a wimple). Thanks again. Maggie -----Original Message----- From: Pontefract FHS <pontefhs@btinternet.com> To: west-riding <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:11 Subject: Re: [WRY] St Hilda's Church, Halifax, 1538 Try Dewsbury, I have found some of my ancestors listed by Ancestry in the West Yorkshire records as married 1702 St Hilda Halifax when I know the actual church was All Saints Dewsbury which is WPD9 as per the WYAS guide. Halifax St Hilda is WDP201 and according to the archives catalogue the records in their collection do not start until 1903 Sharon Buchanan vicechair@pontefractfhs.org.uk www.pontefractfhs.org.uk -------------------------------------------------- From: "Nick Taylor" <familyhistory@cnrt.co.uk> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:17 AM To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [WRY] St Hilda's Church, Halifax, 1538 > Further to Andy's reply the Archives guide says that WDP53 St John the > Baptist records run from 1538 to 1977 (Baptisms) so this is the obvious > suspect. A check as Andy describes should prove it. Some entries are > duplicated so try to find the same entry on via the St John link and you > may > end up on the same page. I have had the same problem but assumed St John > the Baptist without really checking which of course I should have done. > > Nick > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Micklethwaite > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:56 AM > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WRY] St Hilda's Church, Halifax, 1538 > > At 09:30 11/01/2012, Maggie wrote: >>Ancestry have this church listed with entries starting in 1538. The only >>St >>Hilda-s I can find in Genuki were built several hundred years later. Does >>anyone know what the Ancestry index really refers to? I have a Squire >>Jaggar baptism recorded there about 1755, but can't give credence to it >>without a church location. > > Hi Maggie > > At the bottom of the image there should be a reference number, like D21 - > if > there isn't, go to the next image until you find one. > > Then type that number into the CALM catalogue at WYAS prefixed by WDP - or > sometimes WD - you might have to play around a bit unless any other lister > can come up with a bullet proof method. > http://catalogue.wyjs.org.uk/Overview.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog > > That way you should be able to find out the real church. > > HTH Andy. > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Try Dewsbury, I have found some of my ancestors listed by Ancestry in the West Yorkshire records as married 1702 St Hilda Halifax when I know the actual church was All Saints Dewsbury which is WPD9 as per the WYAS guide. Halifax St Hilda is WDP201 and according to the archives catalogue the records in their collection do not start until 1903 Sharon Buchanan vicechair@pontefractfhs.org.uk www.pontefractfhs.org.uk -------------------------------------------------- From: "Nick Taylor" <familyhistory@cnrt.co.uk> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:17 AM To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [WRY] St Hilda's Church, Halifax, 1538 > Further to Andy's reply the Archives guide says that WDP53 St John the > Baptist records run from 1538 to 1977 (Baptisms) so this is the obvious > suspect. A check as Andy describes should prove it. Some entries are > duplicated so try to find the same entry on via the St John link and you > may > end up on the same page. I have had the same problem but assumed St John > the Baptist without really checking which of course I should have done. > > Nick > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Micklethwaite > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:56 AM > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WRY] St Hilda's Church, Halifax, 1538 > > At 09:30 11/01/2012, Maggie wrote: >>Ancestry have this church listed with entries starting in 1538. The only >>St >>Hilda-s I can find in Genuki were built several hundred years later. Does >>anyone know what the Ancestry index really refers to? I have a Squire >>Jaggar baptism recorded there about 1755, but can't give credence to it >>without a church location. > > Hi Maggie > > At the bottom of the image there should be a reference number, like D21 - > if > there isn't, go to the next image until you find one. > > Then type that number into the CALM catalogue at WYAS prefixed by WDP - or > sometimes WD - you might have to play around a bit unless any other lister > can come up with a bullet proof method. > http://catalogue.wyjs.org.uk/Overview.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog > > That way you should be able to find out the real church. > > HTH Andy. > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Some useful websites - > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message