From: "Ian Nicholls" <nicpen@bigpond.net.au> > I'm so sorry if I appear stupid but being Australian and a newcomer to > this list I was not aware as we have marriage certificates for this > period. I will not bother you with trivialities again.> You did not bother me, but it really only takes a little bit of homework to discover when civil registration - and thus birth, marriage and death certificates - began in England and Wales. Didn't you notice that I answered your query for you in full, even advising you where to obtain a copy of the marriage entry in the parish register? I beg leave to doubt that you had marriage certificates in Australia in 1814. A tiny bit of Googling tells me that civil registration began with Tasmania in 1838. Before that you would have had church records, just as we did. You appear to be confusing church registers with civil records. An entry in a parish or other church register is not normally called a marriage "certificate", though you may in fact be using the term. -- Roy Stockdill Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Rod: There is an interesting entry on FreeBMD's: William Gerrard Evans is next to Isabella Jane Bain for the marriages in the March quarter 1853. District is the Strand (London). There is a Frederick Evans in the births for the June quarter 1856, also Strand. Liane Fenimore ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rod Evans" <totara.trust@xtra.co.nz> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 8:44 PM Subject: [WRY] Evans's in Haworth > List: I my g grandfather Frederic Henry EVANS marriage certificate to my g > grandmother that occurred in NZ, states that he was born in HAWORTH about > 1854-56 and that his parents were William EVANS (overlooker) and Isabella > GERARD. > > > > I cannot find any record of any of the above people: baptismal records of > St > Michael's Church, Haworth have no record of any person names EVANS; census > records from 1851 to 1871 don't seem to help either. > > > >

From: "Rod Evans" <totara.trust@xtra.co.nz> > List: I my g grandfather Frederic Henry EVANS marriage certificate to > my g grandmother that occurred in NZ, states that he was born in > HAWORTH about 1854-56 and that his parents were William EVANS > (overlooker) and Isabella GERARD. > > > > I cannot find any record of any of the above people: baptismal records > of St Michael's Church, Haworth have no record of any person names > EVANS; census records from 1851 to 1871 don't seem to help either. > > > > I have always assumed that since William EVANS was an overlooker, and > that he must have worked in a spinning mill, but since FHE was a > nurseryman could the title overlooker also apply to a nurseryman? > > > > I don't know what mills were in the vicinity of Haworth in the 1850's > and how I would obtain records of the employee's of these mills, or if > he were a nurseryman then what possible estates he may have worked at.> I note there are three IGI entries for him but all are LDS private submissions and therefore, unreliable. No doubt they were taken from the NZ marriage certificate by some church member. All give a birth date of Feb 19 1855 but there are two different death dates, one in 1893 and the other 1920. Since there appears to be no sign of any Frederic Henry Evans (or with similar variant forenames) at Haworth in 1861 (though they may have left for NZ by then) and I can find no marriage of a William Evans and Isabella Gerard, my suspicion is that he was illegitimate and "invented" a set of parents - not exactly uncommon when someone was marrying and wished to disguise the fact from their prospective spouse. You may have to face this fact. -- Roy Stockdill Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi List, I am trying to find my Great Grandmother. Mary Ann M[a]cKAY bn c 1881 the only record I have of her is her marr certificate to James WINTER in Aug 1902. Her record is Mary Ann M[a]cKAY age 21 yrs old last known residence Abbey Lane Beau Chief father William M[a]cKAY deceased occ Tailor Marr in Ecclesall Bierlow Sheffield in the parish church of Norton Woodseats Derby That is all I can find of her I have tried the Irish Census & English Census no sign of her Could anyone help find her in parish records or her father please Nicole MILLER Marton NZ -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 2665 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

From: "Ian Nicholls" <nicpen@bigpond.net.au> > The IGI shows Joseph Pinnington (Pennington) married harriet Chiswell > 17 October 1814 at Saint Peters Huddersfield. Can someone tell me how > to go about obtaining a copy of this marriage certificate and also > what information is shown on the certificates from around this time?> How many times do we have to explain this issue? There is NO such thing as a marriage certificate before 1837, since that was the year civil registration began in England and Wales (on July 1st). This is one of the very first things that beginners new to research in the UK should learn - it may help you to read my Newbies' Guide, URL below. What you can get is a copy of the marriage entry in the parish registers. You may choose to call this a marriage certificate but it is not the kind of certificate you get post-1837. The amount of detail varied according to the period, but in 1814 you should find the following..... The names of the bridegroom and bride, whether they were bachelor and spinster, their place(s) of residence if one or both were of other than the parish in which they were marrying, the groom's occupation, whether the marriage was by banns or licence, the name of the vicar or curate performing the service and the names of any witnesses; the parties being married and the witnesses either signed or made their mark if they were illiterate. If one of the parties was a minor and being married with the permission of parents or a guardian it should say so. What the marriage entry will NOT give you at this time is the names of parents. A marriage certificate after 1837 gives the names of both fathers but a parish register entry in 1814 is extremely unlikely to do so. The parish registers of St Peter's Huddersfield are at the West Yorkshire Archives, Wakefield branch. They will have an e-mail address which you should be able to find with Google. E-mail them, give them the precise details of what you want and they should be able to send you a copy of the entry. There will be a fee, of course. -- Roy Stockdill Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi Rod, You wrote, <my g grandfather Frederic Henry EVANS marriage certificate to my g grandmother that occurred in NZ, states that he was born in HAWORTH about 1854-56 and that his parents were William EVANS (overlooker) and Isabella GERARD> I'm sure this isn't your William Evans, but I wanted to mention a William Evans I have in my tree, who married my ggg grandmother, Susannah Talbot, a widow, in 1849 at Bowling. Their marriage license lists him as a widower and it lists Susannah's father as William Talbot. Susannah Mills was previously married to Roger Mills who was killed in a tragic mine accident at Morley in 1846. I have no idea who this William Evans was married to prior to Susannah, but what I find interesting is how they were listed in the1851 census for Drighlington, Yorkshire, England. This was sent to me by an alert lister who spotted the Mills children. I would never have thought to look under Eving... View Record Susanna Eving abt 1817 Kilsby, Northamptonshire, England Wife Drighlington Yorkshire View Record William Eving abt 1805 Kilsby, Northamptonshire, England Head Drighlington Yorkshire View Record George Henry Mills abt 1845 Tunbridge Son-in-law Drighlington Yorkshire View Record Jane Mills abt 1842 Ashford, Kent, England Daughter-in-law Drighlington Yorkshire View Record Sarah Ann Temina Mills abt 1844 Ashford, Kent, England Daughter-in-law Drighlington Yorkshire By 1861 it looks like she is alone again. Take a look at the spellings of the names.... Susannah Ervens abt 1817 Northampton, Nottinghamshire, England Head, Drighlington George H Millens abt 1845 Kent, England Son Drighlington Yorkshire Jane Millens abt 1842 Kent, England Daughter Drighlington Yorkshire By 1871 Susannah is finally listed as EVANS, a widow, living alone, born Moreton Pinkney, Northants. Again, I doubt this is your William Evans, but thought it might be good to post, just to give you some ideas of name variations you might want to watch for in the census records. Best wishes, Sherry Shallenberger Researching: ROBINSON, BARRACLOUGH, HUNTINGTON, TALBOT, MILLS & CORDINGLEY

Nicci Have you got the death certificate? The reason I ask is that my gg-grandmother died in Storthes Hall in 1916 and the certificate gave details of where she was transferred from and other snippets of information, more than I was expecting to see. Kim Gemma Turner <g_l_turner@hotmail.com> wrote: I can't help with your query but I thought a tipbit of local information might be of interest to some people. Storthes Hall itself has now been largely demolished and is the site for Huddersfield University's accommodation campus. It is also the place where Huddersfield town football club practices. Gemma -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nicci and Rob Sent: 10 June 2007 02:01 To: WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com Subject: [WRY] Wakefield archives - re medical records Hi there Is there anybody living near or planning a visit to the Wakefield archives? I have been given permission to access the medical records for my Great Grandmother who lived & died in Strothes Hall Instition from about 1918 to 1931. Obviously its a little hard for me to do it myself. If there is some kind person who is able to do this, I would be extremely thankful. Kind Regards Nicci - Nz --------------------------------- Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now.

I can't help with your query but I thought a tipbit of local information might be of interest to some people. Storthes Hall itself has now been largely demolished and is the site for Huddersfield University's accommodation campus. It is also the place where Huddersfield town football club practices. Gemma -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nicci and Rob Sent: 10 June 2007 02:01 To: WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com Subject: [WRY] Wakefield archives - re medical records Hi there Is there anybody living near or planning a visit to the Wakefield archives? I have been given permission to access the medical records for my Great Grandmother who lived & died in Strothes Hall Instition from about 1918 to 1931. Obviously its a little hard for me to do it myself. If there is some kind person who is able to do this, I would be extremely thankful. Kind Regards Nicci - Nz ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi....here is a *possible* from the 1881 census: 11 Paradise, Chester St. Mary On Hill, Cheshire William Mackey Head Tailor Age 41 Born: Cheshire Elizabeth Mackey Daughter Domestic Servant (out of employ) Age 16 Born: Cheshire Maria Mackey Daughter Scholar Age 12 Born: Cheshire John Mackey Son Scholar Age 9 Born: Cheshire William Mackey Son Scholar Age 7 Born: Cheshire Eliza Mackey Daughter Age 3 Born: Cheshire MARY MACKEY Daughter Age 1 Born: Cheshire mary lou ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Hi there Is there anybody living near or planning a visit to the Wakefield archives? I have been given permission to access the medical records for my Great Grandmother who lived & died in Strothes Hall Instition from about 1918 to 1931. Obviously its a little hard for me to do it myself. If there is some kind person who is able to do this, I would be extremely thankful. Kind Regards Nicci - Nz

Hi Richard my nan was NELLIE DYSON before she married then she was CORNALL. ring any bell,s she was born in MANCHESTER .many thank,s Carol in OZ. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Dyson" <geedee@fsmail.net> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 1:46 AM Subject: Re: [WRY] Church Records > Hello, Richard, > I think the Primative Methodists you want in Sowerby, is the one actually > on Sowerby New Road, Sowerby Bridge, for which there are Registers at > Calderdale (Halifax) Library Archives, but only 1925 to 1957 for > Marriages, and 1884 to 1957 for Baptisms. > The other Methodist Chapels in Sowerby are Methodist New Connection at > Boulderclough and Providence United Methodists. > Regards, Gordon. > > > > > > ======================================== > Message Received: Jun 09 2007, 02:16 PM > From: hogrider1989@comcast.net > To: "West" > Cc: > Subject: [WRY] Church Records > > On March 22, 1890, my G grandfather and grandmother on my grandmother's > side were married in the primitive Methodist Chapel Sowerby. > Is this church still active? If so, is there a point of contact or address > to whom someone can inquire as to baptisms? > If a church no longer in service, where do the records go? > > Richard > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello, Richard, I think the Primative Methodists you want in Sowerby, is the one actually on Sowerby New Road, Sowerby Bridge, for which there are Registers at Calderdale (Halifax) Library Archives, but only 1925 to 1957 for Marriages, and 1884 to 1957 for Baptisms. The other Methodist Chapels in Sowerby are Methodist New Connection at Boulderclough and Providence United Methodists. Regards, Gordon. ======================================== Message Received: Jun 09 2007, 02:16 PM From: hogrider1989@comcast.net To: "West" Cc: Subject: [WRY] Church Records On March 22, 1890, my G grandfather and grandmother on my grandmother's side were married in the primitive Methodist Chapel Sowerby. Is this church still active? If so, is there a point of contact or address to whom someone can inquire as to baptisms? If a church no longer in service, where do the records go? Richard ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In reading through the Thornhill P.R.s for children of Matthew HAMPSHIRE, circa 1774-1787, I have come across 2 men of that name baptising children at the same time (no overlap): Matthew of Briestwell (Briestwisle, Briestfield) and Matthew of (the) Sowwood. A Streetmaps.co.uk search reveals a Sowood N.W. of Huddersfield and a Google search reveals an ancient Sowwood in Eland (sic), pretty much the same location. Old Maps.co.uk repeats this as well (no Sowwood results, only Sowood) and there is no Sowwood mentioned in the Thornhill GENUKI listings. Was/Is there a Sowwood very near Brieswisle (same man baptising all the children, slight location shift)? Sowood near Elland should be in the Halifax P.R.s. I do see a current Sowood Lane at the edge of Briestfield (Briestwisle) on Google Maps.co.uk. Is that enough to ascertain these were one in the same Matthew HAMPSHIREs? Thank you, Judy California

On March 22, 1890, my G grandfather and grandmother on my grandmother's side were married in the primitive Methodist Chapel Sowerby. Is this church still active? If so, is there a point of contact or address to whom someone can inquire as to baptisms? If a church no longer in service, where do the records go? Richard

Hi list, from Staveley Settlements. Thomas LEDGER, Mary wife, John, Amey. Doncaster 1763 William GLOSSOP , Whiston 1775 George SHELTON, Alice wife, Sarah, George, William. Harthill. 1788 mike http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm

Not a bit like I imagined, Roy..............you can see where the horns were though :-) Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Stockdill" <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> To: <eng-yks-bradford@rootsweb.com>; <eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com>; <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 1:13 PM Subject: [WRY] Who Do You Think You Are? LIVE > Listers interested in seeing what a couple of regular posters look and > sound like may find it interesting to go to > http://www.rootstelevision.com/, > where they will find a series of interviews conducted by Dick Eastman, of > the well-known Eastman's Online Genealogy newsletter, at the big > National History Show, Who Do You Think You Are? LIVE! at Olympia > last month. > > Click on "Browse Video List" and you will see the names of some familiar > UK genealogists, including Dr Colin Chapman, Else Churchill (of the > SoG), Chris Pomery (Guild of One-Name Studies) and Yours Truly > (check that I don't really have horns!). > > Oh yes - and don't miss the interview with "The Hat Lady", thinly > disguised as one Jackie Depelle of the Pudsey Civic Socirty! > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/838 - Release Date: 07/06/2007 > 14:21 > >

Listers interested in seeing what a couple of regular posters look and sound like may find it interesting to go to http://www.rootstelevision.com/, where they will find a series of interviews conducted by Dick Eastman, of the well-known Eastman's Online Genealogy newsletter, at the big National History Show, Who Do You Think You Are? LIVE! at Olympia last month. Click on "Browse Video List" and you will see the names of some familiar UK genealogists, including Dr Colin Chapman, Else Churchill (of the SoG), Chris Pomery (Guild of One-Name Studies) and Yours Truly (check that I don't really have horns!). Oh yes - and don't miss the interview with "The Hat Lady", thinly disguised as one Jackie Depelle of the Pudsey Civic Socirty! -- Roy Stockdill Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

An unlikely alternative, but I mention it just in case, is Denby Grange, not far from Grange Moor, Grid ref SE2315 - I note there's a Lower Denby there too! Andy. At 12:32 07/06/2007, Jeff wrote: >Hi Frank, > >Denby does appear on current maps as either Upper or Lower Denby see map >references below. > > DENBY, a chapelry, in the parish of Penistone, union of Wortley,

Hi Frank, The following BEAUMONT's appear in the Denby burial registers 1800-1852 (1843-1852 published mid June): Edmund; Elizabeth; Ephraim; Georgina; Hannah; Harriet (2); Jane; John. Please visit www.barnsleyfhs.co.uk for contact details, search details, or how to purchase booklets. Regards Jeff

Hi Frank, Denby does appear on current maps as either Upper or Lower Denby see map references below. DENBY, a chapelry, in the parish of Penistone, union of Wortley, wapentake of Staincross, W. riding of York, 7¼ miles (W. by N.) from Barnsley; comprising the townships of Denby, Gunthwaite, and Ingbirchworth; and containing 2175 inhabitants, of whom 1690 are in the township of Denby. This township is in two divisions, called Upper and Lower Denby, and is a hilly district including about 2870 acres, of which a portion is common land not in cultivation: it is chiefly occupied by weavers, and at Denby Dale are several manufactories of woollen goods. The living is a perpetual curacy, in the patronage of the Vicar of Penistone, with a net income of £98. The church of St John has been rebuilt on a larger scale, 450 additional sittings having been obtained, of which 300 are free; the cost was defrayed by subscription, aided by a grant of £300 from the Ripon Diocesan Society, and one of £200 from the Incorporated Society. There are places of worship for Wesleyans, Primitive Methodists, and the Society of Friends. An eminence called Castle Hill, is supposed to have been a Roman station.1 The church of St John, rebuilt 1843, in Decorated style. There are dyeworks and stone quarries in the area. A sanatorium was established in 1886 for the treatment of inebriate women.2 The name appears to admit analysis into the dwelling in the valley; and the first settlement of population in this place we may thence infer was in some of the dells which are found in these generally high lands.3 References: 1 A Topographical Dictionary of England. (1848); 2 Cassell's Gazetteer of Great Britain and Ireland. (1893); 3 South Yorkshire (a history of the Deanery of Doncaster) Vol. II. Rev. Joseph Hunter (1831). Location: St John The Evangelist Denby Lane, Upper Denby, HUDDERSFIELD. HD8 8YU www.old-maps.co.uk - co-ordinate: 422750,407250 www.streetmap.co.uk - OS grid: 422750,407250 Barnsley Family History Society have transcribed the burial registers and released them in booklet form for St John the Evangelist Church, covering 1800-1842 (1843-1852 will be released in June). Please contact booksales@barnsleyfhs.co.uk or projects@barnsleyfhs.co.uk for more information. Regards Jeff