From: "Rod Evans" <totara.trust@xtra.co.nz> > Roy, you may be right in that Frederic Henry Evans was illegitimate > and he had invented his parents because I've also had my Y-DNA > analysed and have an exact 25/25 match with Eastwood(see QHMNK > Ysearch.org.) There were Eastwoods in Haworth. I certainly place no > trust on the IGI entries as they came from a distant relation who was > a LDS church member and his sources were second hand.> Rod At the moment I'm afraid I have found nothing further that might help you, but do let us know if you manage to solve this, won't you? There are various things to bear in mind, like Frederic(k) Henry Evans may have genuinely believed he was born in Haworth because his mother told him so. Did he know who his father was? Probably not, if he was illegitimate. Could he have been born elsewhere? Yes, very much so - in places like Keighley, Bradford, etc, both of which included Haworth in their immediate areas and registration districts. -- Roy Stockdill Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Thanks, Michaud, but this does'nt answer my question. It doesn't produce results between about 1910, and 1983. I was told that for those years you have to manually search scanned individual pages from teh indexes. But I don't know how ot find them. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "MICHAUD" <GMICHAUD@HOUSTON.RR.COM> To: <WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 10:03 PM Subject: [WRY] BMD on Ancestry.com > You can search the Ancestry BMD electronically. Go first to advanced > search and enter as many details as you know. At the bottom you will be > asked to choose which categories to search. Under historical records > check Birth, Marriage, Death and then search. > > I have retrieved the details of my brother's death in 2000 so it is pretty > up to date - though maybe not all counties are complete. > > Valerie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.465 / Virus Database: 269.5.7/771 - Release Date: 4/21/2007 11:56 AM

They work fine. But I specifically need to know how to get to the scans of indexes from 1900 to 1983. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Magnusson" <nancie45@shaw.ca> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] FreeBMD and Ancestry > Here are the links for the 1984-2005 BMD indexes..................Sure > hope > they work.............Nancy > > England & Wales, Birth Index: 1984-2005 > http://www.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=8782 > > England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1984-2005 > http://www.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=8753 > > England & Wales, Death Index: 1984-2005 > http://www.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=7579 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.465 / Virus Database: 269.5.7/771 - Release Date: 4/21/2007 11:56 AM

Hi List, Looking for any info on Francis TODD bc.1814 at Leathley. I cant find any baptism for him on IGI & I am not able at the present to search parish registers at FHC. Has anyone researched this family & found anymore details on Francis. I have ALL census data on him & know he died 1866 at Bradford. Just cant find out who his parents were,or his siblings if any. Francis's daughter Mary TODD married into my HOLLINGS family. Thanks for any info, Joyce

You can search the Ancestry BMD electronically. Go first to advanced search and enter as many details as you know. At the bottom you will be asked to choose which categories to search. Under historical records check Birth, Marriage, Death and then search. I have retrieved the details of my brother's death in 2000 so it is pretty up to date - though maybe not all counties are complete. Valerie

I am trying to trace a family in London, and having trouble getting clear explanations on the London list. I was told there that bmd records between 1900 and 1983 are available at ancestry.com, but not electronically searchable. They are available as scans of individual pages that one must search through. Seemingly they are organized in such a way that one can find the right page in the right district or whatever to search for each year. But I can't find how to access tehm on the ancestry.com site. Can someone please tell me where to find them. Thanks! Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean-Terry" <tjmspence@bigpond.com> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] FreeBMD and Ancestry > Hi, I like the search engine the Free BMD uses better than the one from > Ancestry but Ancestry does have more data available. Jean in S.Australia. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rosemary Ackroyd" <rsackroyd@bigpond.com> > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 8:53 AM > Subject: Re: [WRY] FreeBMD and Ancestry > > >> Hi Judith >> >> I feel pretty sure that Ancestry just 'gateway' the FreeBMD records. >> I've >> had similar instances where entries appear to show up on Ancestry but not >> FreeBMD, but it has always turned out to be a quirk in the way the search >> has worked. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.465 / Virus Database: 269.5.7/771 - Release Date: 4/21/2007 11:56 AM

Hi......this may be the cause of the confusion. From the IGI (extracted record): Marriage WILLIAM GERRARD EVANS & ISABELLA JANE BAIN January 4, 1853 St. Mary le Strand, Westminster, London mary lou ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Here are the links for the 1984-2005 BMD indexes..................Sure hope they work.............Nancy England & Wales, Birth Index: 1984-2005 http://www.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=8782 England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1984-2005 http://www.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=8753 England & Wales, Death Index: 1984-2005 http://www.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=7579

For the www.yorkshireindexers.co.uk web-site we have been photographing War Graves in Bowling Cemetery at Bradford and also at Baildon You need to register to view the site Alan Longbottom There were 3 Sharkeys as under V.';"> Bowling Cemetery, SHARKEY, V. by historydb on 28-05-2007 02:07 PM Bowling Cemetery, SHARKEY, V. Photograph by Alan Longbottom 29-05-2007 09:17 AM by historydb 1 0 Photographs & Transcripts (War Memorials, Graves and Plaques) SHARKEY, JAMES PATRICK';"> Bowling Cemetery, SHARKEY, JAMES PATRICK by historydb on 28-05-2007 02:09 PM Bowling Cemetery, SHARKEY, JAMES PATRICK Photograph by Alan Longbottom 29-05-2007 09:16 AM by historydb 1 0 Photographs & Transcripts (War Memorials, Graves and Plaques) SHARKEY, John Edward';"> Baildon, Charlestown, SHARKEY, John Edward by historydb on 10-06-2007 01:17 PM Baildon, Charlestown, SHARKEY, John Edward Photograph by Betty Longbottom 10-06-2007 04:23 PM by historydb 1 0 Photographs & Transcripts (War Memorials, Graves and Plaques) -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Joe Taylor Sent: 11 June 2007 17:47 To: WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com Subject: [WRY] SHARKER or SHARKEY from Bradford Hello list, Is there anyone out there researching SHARKER or more probably SHARKEY from Bradford? I am trying to help a contact in France, Jean Claude, who has only a little English. The information from his family is that his grandfather was Vincent SHARKER from Bradford, who landed at Rouen in 1914 with the British Army, where he met Jean Claude's grandmother... and in 1916 his mother was born. Vincent was also said to have fought in the Boer War. We now think Vincent SHARKER was in fact born Fenton SHARKEY at Bradford in 1876, son of Luke and Anne SHARKEY, from Ireland. By 1891 he had adopted the name Vincent (and was in Armley prison on census night). In 1903 he married Margaret MCDERMOTT, they had at least one child, Thomas, and I think Margaret died in 1913. I have found the family on the various censuses, the relevant BMDs up till Vincent's death in 1920, and his burial on the Commonwealth War Graves Commission site. What Jean Claude is really interested to know is whether any of Vincent's descendants in England are aware of their 'French connection'. So, if anyone has any of these SHARKEYs in their tree, we would love to hear from you. Joe ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/843 - Release Date: 10/06/2007 13:39 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/843 - Release Date: 10/06/2007 13:39

Hi, There is another way. Steve Whitwam and others have transcribed marriages from St. Peter's Huddersfield. He has a web site http://www.whitwam.co.uk/records.htm Go to Searches and I think you will find offers of free look-ups for St. Peters. The information varies, some of the ones I have give wife's maiden name and location. It gets a bit harder once you move beyond the 1837 BMD starting date. I am fortunate enough to have ancestors who stayed put and I found many baptisms registered in the Slaithwaite Parish Records which could be bought in booklet form from the Huddersfield & District Family History Society. There are also a group of people willing to help with library look ups too. I recently acquired a couple of interesting Wills for two of my ancestors and they were quite detailed and listed the married names of their daughters (that was a bonus) and discussed dividing up property and land. Jean in s.Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Stockdill" <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> To: <WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] PINNINGTON/PENNINGTON -Joseph > From: "Ian Nicholls" <nicpen@bigpond.net.au> There is NO such > thing as a marriage certificate before 1837, since that was the year civil > registration began in England and Wales (on July 1st). This is one of the > very first things that beginners new to research in the UK should learn - > it > may help you to read my Newbies' Guide, URL below. > > What you can get is a copy of the marriage entry in the parish registers. > You may choose to call this a marriage certificate but it is not the kind > of > certificate you get post-1837. The amount of detail varied according to > the period, but in 1814 you should find the following.....

I'm so sorry if I appear stupid but being Australian and a newcomer to this list I was not aware as we have marriage certificates for this period. I will not bother you with trivialities again. -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roy Stockdill Sent: Monday, 11 June 2007 5:25 PM To: WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com Subject: [!! SPAM] Re: [WRY] PINNINGTON/PENNINGTON -Joseph From: "Ian Nicholls" <nicpen@bigpond.net.au> > The IGI shows Joseph Pinnington (Pennington) married harriet Chiswell > 17 October 1814 at Saint Peters Huddersfield. Can someone tell me how > to go about obtaining a copy of this marriage certificate and also > what information is shown on the certificates from around this time?> How many times do we have to explain this issue? There is NO such thing as a marriage certificate before 1837, since that was the year civil registration began in England and Wales (on July 1st). This is one of the very first things that beginners new to research in the UK should learn - it may help you to read my Newbies' Guide, URL below. What you can get is a copy of the marriage entry in the parish registers. You may choose to call this a marriage certificate but it is not the kind of certificate you get post-1837. The amount of detail varied according to the period, but in 1814 you should find the following..... The names of the bridegroom and bride, whether they were bachelor and spinster, their place(s) of residence if one or both were of other than the parish in which they were marrying, the groom's occupation, whether the marriage was by banns or licence, the name of the vicar or curate performing the service and the names of any witnesses; the parties being married and the witnesses either signed or made their mark if they were illiterate. If one of the parties was a minor and being married with the permission of parents or a guardian it should say so. What the marriage entry will NOT give you at this time is the names of parents. A marriage certificate after 1837 gives the names of both fathers but a parish register entry in 1814 is extremely unlikely to do so. The parish registers of St Peter's Huddersfield are at the West Yorkshire Archives, Wakefield branch. They will have an e-mail address which you should be able to find with Google. E-mail them, give them the precise details of what you want and they should be able to send you a copy of the entry. There will be a fee, of course. -- Roy Stockdill Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello list, Is there anyone out there researching SHARKER or more probably SHARKEY from Bradford? I am trying to help a contact in France, Jean Claude, who has only a little English. The information from his family is that his grandfather was Vincent SHARKER from Bradford, who landed at Rouen in 1914 with the British Army, where he met Jean Claude's grandmother... and in 1916 his mother was born. Vincent was also said to have fought in the Boer War. We now think Vincent SHARKER was in fact born Fenton SHARKEY at Bradford in 1876, son of Luke and Anne SHARKEY, from Ireland. By 1891 he had adopted the name Vincent (and was in Armley prison on census night). In 1903 he married Margaret MCDERMOTT, they had at least one child, Thomas, and I think Margaret died in 1913. I have found the family on the various censuses, the relevant BMDs up till Vincent's death in 1920, and his burial on the Commonwealth War Graves Commission site. What Jean Claude is really interested to know is whether any of Vincent's descendants in England are aware of their 'French connection'. So, if anyone has any of these SHARKEYs in their tree, we would love to hear from you. Joe

Hello Listers, I am returning to the list afetr about 8 months. I am looking for info about boys schools or colleges in the 1880"s to 1890's in Leeds. I would also like to know where the student records of these colleges are if they do not exist today. Thank you for any help. Mary Heppell

The IGI shows Joseph Pinnington (Pennington) married harriet Chiswell 17 October 1814 at Saint Peters Huddersfield. Can someone tell me how to go about obtaining a copy of this marriage certificate and also what information is shown on the certificates from around this time? Thanks in advance Ian Nicholls

I wondered if anyone happens to be working on the Earl/Earle family living in Yeadon from late 1800s where I found last burial in the 1962. Especially interested in anyone around from the family of William Parkinson Earle, who was my grandfather's nephew. This is a long shot as I think possibly they may no longer have any descendants around these days. Regards, Kate Hands Australia

Hi Listers Please correct me if I am wrong but........... I thought that Ancestry used 'our' FreeBMD on their site and didn't transcribe their own FreeBMD. I was on the Ancestry.co.uk site this morning and found two deaths which say they are from FreeBMD. If you then check on FreeBMD these deaths are not there. The Ancestry ones are correct because I have checked on the original indices on Findmypast. These deaths occured in 1951 and 1959 and I didn't think that FreeBMD has transcribed the index so far forward. I have also found one marriage on Ancestry for 1946 which says it has come from FreeBMD. It is on the Findmypast index but not on FreeBMD. This is not a criticism of FreeBMD, far from it, but how has Ancestry transcribed marriages & deaths from FreeBMD when FreeBMD have not done it yet. There is probably a simple explanation for this which I have failed to see. Maybe Ancestry are transcribing their own 'FreeBMD'. Has anyone any ideas. BTW It has saved me many hours of trawling through the GRO Index!! Kind regards Judith K

Nicci, Can you please tell me the steps you went through to get permission to access the records please? My grandmother Ellen Hargreaves died in 1903 at a hospital named on her death cert as "Yks Co-operation for Nurses & Nursing Home,22 Clarendon Rd, /Leeds, WRY" & I'd like to get acccess to her records . Thanks, Alison Alison Hargreaves-Lyons in Brisbane, Australia is seeking: AMBLER, BAILEY, CLAY, CRABTREE, DRAKE,HALEY, HARGREAVES,HEWITT, HOLDEN, JAGGER, MOLYNUEX, RUDD, TAYLOR, UTTLEY, WILSON in Halifax area, WRY. > To: WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WRY] Wakefield archives - re medical records > > Hi there > Is there anybody living near or planning a visit to the Wakefield archives? > I have been given permission to access the medical records for my Great > Grandmother who lived & died in Strothes Hall Instition from about 1918 to > 1931. > Obviously its a little hard for me to do it myself. If there is some kind > person who is able to do this, I would be extremely thankful. > > Kind Regards > Nicci - Nz >

List: I my g grandfather Frederic Henry EVANS marriage certificate to my g grandmother that occurred in NZ, states that he was born in HAWORTH about 1854-56 and that his parents were William EVANS (overlooker) and Isabella GERARD. I cannot find any record of any of the above people: baptismal records of St Michael's Church, Haworth have no record of any person names EVANS; census records from 1851 to 1871 don't seem to help either. I have always assumed that since William EVANS was an overlooker, and that he must have worked in a spinning mill, but since FHE was a nurseryman could the title overlooker also apply to a nurseryman? I don't know what mills were in the vicinity of Haworth in the 1850's and how I would obtain records of the employee's of these mills, or if he were a nurseryman then what possible estates he may have worked at. Any help in finding these people would be greatly appreciated. Rod Evans

Would there be anyone who has access to the records of St Peters Huddersfield who could look up the following I found on the IGI Reuben and his twin brother Benjamin were christened on this date father was Joseph Pennington and mother Harriet Chiswell 02 DEC 1821 Saint Peter, Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England Christopher Pennington 12 JAN 1817 Saint Peter, Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England Joseph Pinnington 15 OCT 1815 Saint Peter, Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England Mary Ann Pennington 06 JUN 1813 Saint Peter, Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England If there is no general access would someone advise me as to whom I should approach. Many thanks Ian Nicholls ( sunny but cool Wollongong NSW)

Thank you Mary Lou, I'll try this family with the help of a friend. Nicole ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mlou1173@aol.com> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [WRY] Mary M[a]cKAY > Hi....here is a *possible* from the 1881 census: > > 11 Paradise, Chester St. Mary On Hill, Cheshire > > William Mackey > Head > Tailor > Age 41 > Born: Cheshire > > Elizabeth Mackey > Daughter > Domestic Servant (out of employ) > Age 16 > Born: Cheshire > > Maria Mackey > Daughter > Scholar > Age 12 > Born: Cheshire > > John Mackey > Son > Scholar > Age 9 > Born: Cheshire > > William Mackey > Son > Scholar > Age 7 > Born: Cheshire > > Eliza Mackey > Daughter > Age 3 > Born: Cheshire > > MARY MACKEY > Daughter > Age 1 > Born: Cheshire > > mary lou > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/843 - Release Date: 6/10/2007 > 1:39 p.m. > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 2666 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len