Hi Della At 14:08 11/07/2007, you wrote: >I am trying to find out why my MARKEY ancestor's moved from Gloucestershire >to Bradford in the 1870's. Was there a scheme to entice southern >agricultural workers to the Industrial North? If so, can anyone point me in >the right direction to find out more? Or can anyone offer a further >suggestion? I know that my wife's ancestors moved from Brailes (just outside Glos) to Pinxton (industrial Derbyshire) for work - still at that stage in agriculture - their offspring went into the mines. With the expansion of railways, getting to places where there was more work was much easier. Don't forget too that both areas (Glos and Bradford) shared expertise in wool. So it may be they just took a chance - but perhaps they saw an advert, or someone went to their locality to recruit. I don't know exactly how my "in-laws" were aware of their job opportunity. HTH Andy.

Hi.....does anyone take walks through Barnsley Cemetery that might be willing to look for a grave for me to see if there is a stone and, if so, what the inscription reads. This is my gg-grandmother. RACHEL COATES Died July 12, 1886 Buried July 14, 1886 in Section S161 Any connections would be great too!! Her maiden name was NORTON. Thanks much.....mary lou ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Hi Mine came from Bedfordshire- straw plaiters - to Yorkshire late 1870's. I guess lack of work and starvation brought them but I bet there were agents for the mills enticing them. Im sure Ive heard that their passage was paid for on the canals- even for older kids but not babies. Dont quote me on this tho:) CAROL

From: "Della Markey" <dellamar@bigpond.net.au> > I am trying to find out why my MARKEY ancestor's moved from > Gloucestershire to Bradford in the 1870's. Was there a scheme to > entice southern agricultural workers to the Industrial North? If so, > can anyone point me in the right direction to find out more? Or can > anyone offer a further suggestion?> The answer is quite simple - for employment. My great-grandparents in the 1871 census were in the beautiful city of Bath. By 1881 they were living in what then would have been the grimy hellhole of industrial Bradford! My gt-grandfather was a cloth weaver and in the 1870s the West Country cloth trade was being severely hit by the huge new mills, with their vastly superior technology, of Yorkshire and Lancashire. My grandfather had no choice but to move to where the work was, even if the environment was totally different. Likewise, thousands of agricultural workers were leaving the land, where the wages were low, and going into the mills and factories of the towns and cities. They went to Bradford and other industrial towns for the work and in the expectation of higher wages. The downside was that very often they found themselves living in grossly overcrowded and insanitary conditions. In Victorian times the north-south migration was largely the other way, since the great majority of the industry - steel, wool, cotton, shipbuilding etc - was all in the north. -- Roy Stockdill Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hello Richard, I thgink that the distance between Kirkheaton and Kildwick would be rather a long way when most people had to walk - 20 - 30 miles I think. Somehow I think that it must be a different family, as the Thorntons were spread very thickly across Yorkshire. Regards, Derek. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Washington" <hogrider1989@comcast.net> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [WRY] POSTING INTERESTS > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Derek Hindle" <ohindle@bigpond.net.au> > To: <WEST-RIDING-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 3:18 AM > Subject: [WRY] POSTING INTERESTS > > >> Derek, > > Where is Cowling Kildwick in relation to Kirkheaton Huddersfield West > Riding? > > My G x5 grandmother was a Hannah THORNTON, born in Kirkheaton c1765. On > 20 > August 1787 she became the second wife to my gx5 grandfather Marriage is > recorded in the Kirkheaton Parish Church. Hannah was the second wife. > > She had a sister Rachel whom upon Hannah's death C1792 became the third > wife > of my Gx5 grandfather. > > Richard > hogrider1989@comcast.net >> >> >> >> POSTING INTERESTS >> >> Dear Listers, Just posting interests for the benefit of anyone interested >> in any of the names listed below. Pleased to hear from you for mutual >> interest if you see any name linked to your own line. >> Kindest regards, Derek Hindle in Tasmania, Austrralia. >> >> HINDLE - pre 1840 - 1950 Bramley, Leeds. Pre 1840 at Cowling, Kildwick, >> Keighley, Yorks. Interested Anytime and Anywhere. >> ASHTON - 1785 Shoreditch, London, Lambeth, London. Tasmania 1828 >> AUBERTIN - 1815 - 1867 Andover, Hants. >> BEAUCHAMP- 1881 Kingston, Surrey, 1800-1851 Bedfont, Middlesex >> BERRY - 1846 - 1881 Bramley, Leeds >> BRADLEY - 1880 -1891 Bramley, Leeds. >> BROOKS - 1842- Chelsfield, Kent. >> COE- 1795 - 1839 Bradford.Low Moor & Pudsey. >> COOP - 1806 - 1881 Bramley, Leeds >> CHAMBERLAIN - 1808 Thorney Cambs. 1830-1881 Whaplode Drove, Lincs >> DENTON - pre 1826 Bramley, Leeds. >> DICKINSON - 1816 Colton, Lancs. 1848 Egton cum Newland. >> FARRAR - pre 1800 Bramley, Leeds >> GROVE - 1840-1860, Southwark, Surrey, 1860 - 1880 Kingston, Surrey. >> HILL - 1708 - 1729 Carleton in Craven, Yorks. >> HIND- Low Moor, 1816 Clayton, 1798 Bradford, 1850 Wyke. >> LAYCOCK - 1715 Colne - 1785 Cowling, Kildwick, Yorks. >> MIDGLEY - 1812 - Pudsey, 1832 -1891 Farsley, >> PARKINSON- 1805 - 1881 Farsley, Leeds. >> RHODES - 1728 Ilkley, 1751 Kildwick, Yorks, 1670 Keighley. >> SMITH - 1708 - 1813 Cowling, Kildwick, Yorks. >> TEAL- 1765 - 1809 Cowling, Kildwick >> TEMPEST - 1718 - 1757, Cowling, Kildwick, Yorks. >> THORNTON - 1786 - 1842 Cowling, Kildwick >> WAITE - 1865- 1881 Bramley, Leeds, 1901 Bradford. >> WHITELEY - 1778- 1832 Farsley, Leeds >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Has anyone come across this individual in their family tree/research? He was also known as CHARLEY WOODS (1871 Census-Orphan, age 7 and living with John RIPLEY). He later changed his name to CHARLES EDWARD BARTON in order to re-enlist in the East Kent Regiment in 1892 (after he deserted the Yorkshire Regiment). He was of mixed-race and by all accounts quite a character in the Stanningley and Pudsey area of Leeds.

Hi Della Mine moved from rural Dorset to Lancashire and I presume it was for work in the growing textile industries in the north of the country. Sheila (South Wales) On 11/07/07, Della Markey <dellamar@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > Dear List > > > > I am trying to find out why my MARKEY ancestor's moved from Gloucestershire > to Bradford in the 1870's. Was there a scheme to entice southern > agricultural workers to the Industrial North? If so, can anyone point me in > the right direction to find out more? Or can anyone offer a further > suggestion? > > > > Many thanks > > Della in Melbourne > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you Ray Bev -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roy Stockdill Sent: 10 July 2007 19:54 To: WEST-RIDING-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WRY] (no subject) From: "Beverley Hill" <hilltock@btinternet.com> > Listers > Does anybody know the piece and folio number for keddys yard, > kirkgate, Wakefield in the 1891 census Please Thank you Bev> Findmypast has it indexed as HEDDYS YARD, which may be a mistranscription. Anyway, it's Piece 3750 folio 26 - Joseph Smith and family. -- Roy Stockdill Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/893 - Release Date: 09/07/2007 17:22 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/893 - Release Date: 09/07/2007 17:22

From: "Beverley Hill" <hilltock@btinternet.com> > Listers > Does anybody know the piece and folio number for keddys yard, > kirkgate, Wakefield in the 1891 census Please Thank you Bev> Findmypast has it indexed as HEDDYS YARD, which may be a mistranscription. Anyway, it's Piece 3750 folio 26 - Joseph Smith and family. -- Roy Stockdill Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Listers Does anybody know the piece and folio number for keddys yard, kirkgate, Wakefield in the 1891 census Please Thank you Bev No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/893 - Release Date: 09/07/2007 17:22

I was going through some Otley Parish Registers on CD-ROM today, extracting entries for my MOODY ancestors (anyone got Moodys from Otley, we are almost certainly related, BTW) when I noticed the following entry in the registers at the beginning of 1801..... "Here commenceth the nineteenth Century of the Christian era" Note that this appears at the start of 1801 and NOT 1800. I am aware I am dredging up an old argument, but I do seem to recall when the whole world celebrated the start of a new millennium in 2000 there were many who argued that it was the wrong year and it should have been 2001. It seems to me that this argument was unchallengeable unless you believe that there was a year nought AD! I believe the start of the 20th century also was marked in 1901, not 1900. I just wondered if anyone else has noticed an entry in a parish register in a millennium year and what was it? -- Roy Stockdill Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hello Richard, Seems that I was not able to get through to you as my message was seen as spam. I asked my service provider to see if they could sort out why. I have a Hannah THORNTON but she was only born 1787 in Skelmanthorpe. Her father was Abednego THORNTON but I do not know anything about his origins although MYTHOLMROYD is a possibility. I guess we do not have a link here. Best of luck, Jenny

Hi I need help in finding the death of Nancy REED. Reed has been spelt many ways eg Reid Read Here she is 1881 with hubby Fred and youngest kids at Black Bank Gildersome 1881 Frederick Reid 50 Nancy Reid 48 Sarah Reid 12 William Reid 14 By 1891 hubby is a widower living in Morley. I can only think she died locally - or maybe Co Durham where one of her kids went- Squire Reed. Nancy was born 1832- Nancy Clayton the daughter of Jonas Clayton. I got the death cert for this Nancy but its not her. Deaths Dec 1885 (>99%) Reed Nancy 46 Dewsbury 9b 378 By the way if anyone wants this one then let me know- shes the wife of William Reed - a painter from Soothill- she died in Dewsbury workhouse. Any help more than welcome. Carol

Jenny, My Gx5 grandmother is a THORNTON. Hannah THORNTON born c1765 in Kirkheaton became the second wife of my Gx4 grandfather. Have no further info. Hannah died c1791 and her sister then wed my Gx4 grandfather. It's a stretch but there might be a tenuous connection. Richard hogrider1989@comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny & Andy Spruyt" <spruytj@paradise.net.nz> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 3:17 PM Subject: [WRY] THORNTON Baptism terminology > Hello, > > I have a church baptismal entry for the Parish of Addingham for a member > of my THORNTON family. > > Baptised 5 July 1807 Hannah, daughter of Abednego THORNTON of Mitholme > Royd in the Parish of Halifax, Wool-stapler by > Sarah daughter of - CHILD of Skelmanthorpe Parish. Farmer. Born > September 19th 1806. > > > I am wondering about the wording of this entry. Is Mitholme Royd some > way from Addingham and in giving mention of Sarah's father's parish, is > the church ensuring that any parish relief would be required from > Skelmanthorpe rather than Addingham? Sarah Child married Abednego > THORNTON in 1774 near Skelmanthorpe. Her father was John Child. Abednego > and Sarah already had 8 living children in 1807 although I know many had > already left home by this 1807 date. At least 6 of the children were > born near Skelmanthorpe. Am I correct in that no mention is made of > Abednego's parish of origin but only his place of work? Two of their > other children were born in Halifax in 1790 and 1792. > > Hoping for some insight to this family entry. > > Regards, > > Jenny > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Hindle" <ohindle@bigpond.net.au> To: <WEST-RIDING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 3:18 AM Subject: [WRY] POSTING INTERESTS > Derek, Where is Cowling Kildwick in relation to Kirkheaton Huddersfield West Riding? My G x5 grandmother was a Hannah THORNTON, born in Kirkheaton c1765. On 20 August 1787 she became the second wife to my gx5 grandfather Marriage is recorded in the Kirkheaton Parish Church. Hannah was the second wife. She had a sister Rachel whom upon Hannah's death C1792 became the third wife of my Gx5 grandfather. Richard hogrider1989@comcast.net > > > > POSTING INTERESTS > > Dear Listers, Just posting interests for the benefit of anyone interested > in any of the names listed below. Pleased to hear from you for mutual > interest if you see any name linked to your own line. > Kindest regards, Derek Hindle in Tasmania, Austrralia. > > HINDLE - pre 1840 - 1950 Bramley, Leeds. Pre 1840 at Cowling, Kildwick, > Keighley, Yorks. Interested Anytime and Anywhere. > ASHTON - 1785 Shoreditch, London, Lambeth, London. Tasmania 1828 > AUBERTIN - 1815 - 1867 Andover, Hants. > BEAUCHAMP- 1881 Kingston, Surrey, 1800-1851 Bedfont, Middlesex > BERRY - 1846 - 1881 Bramley, Leeds > BRADLEY - 1880 -1891 Bramley, Leeds. > BROOKS - 1842- Chelsfield, Kent. > COE- 1795 - 1839 Bradford.Low Moor & Pudsey. > COOP - 1806 - 1881 Bramley, Leeds > CHAMBERLAIN - 1808 Thorney Cambs. 1830-1881 Whaplode Drove, Lincs > DENTON - pre 1826 Bramley, Leeds. > DICKINSON - 1816 Colton, Lancs. 1848 Egton cum Newland. > FARRAR - pre 1800 Bramley, Leeds > GROVE - 1840-1860, Southwark, Surrey, 1860 - 1880 Kingston, Surrey. > HILL - 1708 - 1729 Carleton in Craven, Yorks. > HIND- Low Moor, 1816 Clayton, 1798 Bradford, 1850 Wyke. > LAYCOCK - 1715 Colne - 1785 Cowling, Kildwick, Yorks. > MIDGLEY - 1812 - Pudsey, 1832 -1891 Farsley, > PARKINSON- 1805 - 1881 Farsley, Leeds. > RHODES - 1728 Ilkley, 1751 Kildwick, Yorks, 1670 Keighley. > SMITH - 1708 - 1813 Cowling, Kildwick, Yorks. > TEAL- 1765 - 1809 Cowling, Kildwick > TEMPEST - 1718 - 1757, Cowling, Kildwick, Yorks. > THORNTON - 1786 - 1842 Cowling, Kildwick > WAITE - 1865- 1881 Bramley, Leeds, 1901 Bradford. > WHITELEY - 1778- 1832 Farsley, Leeds > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Richard, I found a message dated December 2006 in the West-Riding archives that indicated you were trying to contact me with regards to my family links in Skelmanthorpe. Regards, Jenny

Hello, I have a church baptismal entry for the Parish of Addingham for a member of my THORNTON family. Baptised 5 July 1807 Hannah, daughter of Abednego THORNTON of Mitholme Royd in the Parish of Halifax, Wool-stapler by Sarah daughter of - CHILD of Skelmanthorpe Parish. Farmer. Born September 19th 1806. I am wondering about the wording of this entry. Is Mitholme Royd some way from Addingham and in giving mention of Sarah's father's parish, is the church ensuring that any parish relief would be required from Skelmanthorpe rather than Addingham? Sarah Child married Abednego THORNTON in 1774 near Skelmanthorpe. Her father was John Child. Abednego and Sarah already had 8 living children in 1807 although I know many had already left home by this 1807 date. At least 6 of the children were born near Skelmanthorpe. Am I correct in that no mention is made of Abednego's parish of origin but only his place of work? Two of their other children were born in Halifax in 1790 and 1792. Hoping for some insight to this family entry. Regards, Jenny

From: Jenny & Andy Spruyt <spruytj@paradise.net.nz> > I have a church baptismal entry for the Parish of Addingham for a > member of my THORNTON family. > > Baptised 5 July 1807 Hannah, daughter of Abednego THORNTON of > Mitholme Royd in the Parish of Halifax, Wool-stapler by Sarah daughter > of - CHILD of Skelmanthorpe Parish. Farmer. Born September 19th 1806. > > > I am wondering about the wording of this entry. Is Mitholme Royd some > way from Addingham and in giving mention of Sarah's father's parish, > is the church ensuring that any parish relief would be required from > Skelmanthorpe rather than Addingham? Sarah Child married Abednego > THORNTON in 1774 near Skelmanthorpe. Her father was John Child. > Abednego and Sarah already had 8 living children in 1807 although I > know many had already left home by this 1807 date. At least 6 of the > children were born near Skelmanthorpe. Am I correct in that no mention > is made of Abednego's parish of origin but only his place of work? Two > of their other children were born in Halifax in 1790 and 1792. > > Hoping for some insight to this family entry.> What you have there, as someone else has said, is an example of an entry from a Dade Register. Dade registers were named for the Rev William Dade, a Yorkshire vicar who was far-sighted and saw that even ordinary people might one day want to trace their ancestry, so he instituted a system of entering substantially more information than we normally get, and it spread to many parishes in Yorkshire and adjoining counties. When you see a Dade register you should give thanks to the Rev Dade, for you have struck gold! Dade entries ran from around the mid-1770s to 1812 when a new system came in which, ironically gave less information. "Mitholme Royd" is normally spelt MYTHOLMROYD and is indeed some way from Addingham. It lies between Halifax and Hebden Bridge in the Calder Valley and I lived there for about 10 years in the 1950s. -- Roy Stockdill Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi It isn't a family thing it is the style of the register adopted in the parish of Addingham at the time, known as a Dade register. This entry is quite tame compared with some and they give great genealogical information. This example (below) is from Badsworth 1804 George Baram son of John of Upton a Labourer - s of Thomas of Upton a Labourer by Elizabeth d of Roger Holt of North Elmsall a Labourer and his wife Elizabeth d of George Marshall of South Kirkby a Labourer by Sarah d of Joseph Wormald of Crofton a Coal Miner born 15 Oct 1804 Bpt 11 Nov 1804. An article on the origins of this style of entry can be found http://www.pontefractfhs.org.uk/ under Articles, which also includes a list of parishes where this style of register can be found. Sharon Buchanan -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jenny & Andy Spruyt Sent: 06 July 2007 20:17 To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Subject: [WRY] THORNTON Baptism terminology Hello, I have a church baptismal entry for the Parish of Addingham for a member of my THORNTON family. Baptised 5 July 1807 Hannah, daughter of Abednego THORNTON of Mitholme Royd in the Parish of Halifax, Wool-stapler by Sarah daughter of - CHILD of Skelmanthorpe Parish. Farmer. Born September 19th 1806. I am wondering about the wording of this entry. Is Mitholme Royd some way from Addingham and in giving mention of Sarah's father's parish, is the church ensuring that any parish relief would be required from Skelmanthorpe rather than Addingham? Sarah Child married Abednego THORNTON in 1774 near Skelmanthorpe. Her father was John Child. Abednego and Sarah already had 8 living children in 1807 although I know many had already left home by this 1807 date. At least 6 of the children were born near Skelmanthorpe. Am I correct in that no mention is made of Abednego's parish of origin but only his place of work? Two of their other children were born in Halifax in 1790 and 1792. Hoping for some insight to this family entry. Regards, Jenny ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

ROBERT PARKINSON & Family in 1851 Census at FARSLEY,Yorks., Any Connections ? Hello Listers, In the 1851 Census for Farsley I have the following :- Robert Parkinson 46 born Farsley 3.2.1805 Grace Parkinson 45 born Holmfirth married St.Peters, Leeds 7.9.1827 Martha Parkinson 18 born Kirkstall Elizabeth Parkinson 13 born Farsley James Parkinson 11 born Farsley Benjamin Parkinson 9 born Farsley Ann Parkinson 6 born Farsley If anyone knows of any descendants of these children, Pleased to hear from you, as Elizabeth Parkinson was my great grandmother and we couldm have a link. Kindest regards, Derek Hindle in Tasmania, Australia. .....