Hi Judith, You're right about being spoiled in England though it is asier to get copies of the older Scottish records, they can be printed online for a small fee (much less than the cost of and Eglish cert). My mother was Scottish, so I've experienced both sides. Here's one of the replies I got to my post: "The 75 year rule applies to Marriages, the 100 year rule applies to Births and the 50 year rule applies to Deaths. You cannot view the extracts of BMDs' online, nor can you print them out at Edinburgh or Park Circus but you can transcribe all the info held on the extracts yourself. As Liz says jocktamson or his little helpers go to Gros about 2/3 times a year and as he has just been last week it may be some time before he goes again. BUT.... if a member on here is going soon they may be able to help you if it was just 1 look-up required." The forum site is http://scotfamtree.11.forumer.com/ it might be worth seeing if anyone is going to the GRO's and would be willing to do a look up for you. Best wishes, Gail ----- Original Message ---- From: Judith Kettlewell <judith.kettlewell@btinternet.com> To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 15 July, 2007 1:14:30 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] Scottish Marriages Many thanks Gail. This is my one and only foray into Scottish records and it looks like we are quite spoilt in England compared to Scotland when it comes to ease of obtaining information. Kind regards Judith ----- Original Message ----- From: <gball@oddpost.com> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] Scottish Marriages > Hi Judith, > > www.scotlandspeople.gov is the official government site of genealogical > data for Scotland and only has records for marriages up to 1931, so I > assume that later marriages are not available. It may be worth contacting > the Scottish GRO for advice http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk/index.html . > I've put a post onto scotlandsfamilytree forum and will let you know if I > have any positive response. > > Kind regards, > Gail > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Judith Kettlewell <judith.kettlewell@btinternet.com> > To: WEST-RIDING-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, 14 July, 2007 9:12:22 PM > Subject: [WRY] Scottish Marriages > > > Hi Listers > > I apologise for deviating away from Yorkshire for a moment but does anyone > know where I can find indices for Scottish Marriages c1948 - 1955ish > please? > > This is a Yorkshire man who married in Scotland so not absolutely non > Yorkshire. > > Many thanks for any help. > > Kind regards > > Judith K > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up > for > your free account today > http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ___________________________________________________________ All New Yahoo! Mail – Tired of unwanted email come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

Less than a month ago, I appealed to the list for help in searching out my Hinton ancestors in the Tong area. Thanks to the untiring efforts of Anne L, I now have pretty much the full story, with just a few exceptions which is why I am returning to the list. Frederick Arthur Hinton born Tong 1880 married Clara Gutteridge in Tong on 6th June 1903. Frederick was a stone mason at that time. They had a son, Harry Gutteridge Hinton, born in Tong in 1909. What happened to them? We have trawled the GRO index for deaths, and for any marriage for Harry. The death for Frederick Arthur(1953 Camberwell) and the marriage for Harry (1935 Portsmouth) were not my Hintons. I am also hunting Lennett Hinton, one of Frederick Arthurs brothers, born in 1889, last recorded in the1901 census. Possibly they all emigrated but there's no trace on the Elliss Island site or any of the other free online lists. I did find an L Hinton on the Boston Passenger Lists 1820-1943 but could not access the details. Can anyone help to find these elusive ancestors please.

Hi Listers I apologise for deviating away from Yorkshire for a moment but does anyone know where I can find indices for Scottish Marriages c1948 - 1955ish please? This is a Yorkshire man who married in Scotland so not absolutely non Yorkshire. Many thanks for any help. Kind regards Judith K

There are also the WW1 Pension Records that Ancestry.co.uk has started to publish (only surnames beginning with A and B so far). These are reference WO364 at the National Archives and have a tremendous amount of info in them - I found one of my rellies and there were about 20 pages of forms, copies of certificates etc that told a lot about him and his life. Especially the discharge form where there was a box saying "any other comments". He had written - "I haven't got my pay yet!" Jack -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Roy Stockdill Sent: 14 July 2007 10:55 To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WRY] War Office documents WWI From: evason frank <f_evason@yahoo.co.uk> > There was a recent reply to a query about military records from the > WWI quoting details from the medical card of a soldier. I (and > probably others) would be interested in learning how this information > was traced. Can you give us some clues please.> I think you probably mean the WWI medal index cards at The National Archives. http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/ -- Roy Stockdill Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry Judith, I've just realised I missed read your 20th century dates as 19th century. oops. There are printed indexes of scottish marriages at the Family History center in London (which I am sure go up to this period). There is certainly an index at New Register House, in Edinburgh and probably also accessable at the Mitchel Library in Glasgow. No online index exists for these date. You will need someone in London or Edinburgh (or Glasgow) to do a look up. cheers John Dods Wellington, NZ --- Judith Kettlewell <judith.kettlewell@btinternet.com> wrote: > Hi Listers > > I apologise for deviating away from Yorkshire for a > moment but does anyone know where I can find indices > for Scottish Marriages c1948 - 1955ish please? > > This is a Yorkshire man who married in Scotland so > not absolutely non Yorkshire. > > Many thanks for any help. > > Kind regards > > Judith K > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > Proud to be a transcriber for the freeCEN Project and volunteer for Random Acts of Geneological Kindness Ask me how you can contribute to either of these worthy projects or for other ways of helping our hobby. Researching BATTERS in all Yorkshire BENNIE in Lanarkshire, Dunbartonshire & WLN BENNING in Lanarkshire & Montreal COOPER in Pickering,Yorkshire DODS in East Lothian, Berwickshire, British Columbia, Montreal, Manchester, South Africa, Hong Kong, India DOUGLAS in Innerwick,ELN & Lanarkshire EASTWOOD in Holmfirth,WRY FENTON in Edinburgh FISHER in Leconfield & Pocklington, East YKS HAYTON in EastYorkshire HEWAT in East Lothian HESSELGRAVE in West Yorkshire LAMONT in Lanarkshire MCLEAN in Straclur,Argyll PAVER in Sherburn in Elmet, Yks RANKINE in Dunbartonshire, Perthshire SHIRREFF in East Lothian SUFFILL/SUFFIELD in West & North Yorkshire TROTTER, Islay,ARL,Lanarkshire, West Lothian WALTON, Bradford & Denby, Yorkshire WILLIAMSON in Edinburgh & North Berwick ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting

Hi Judith, prey it's 1955! (when Staturory registration came in in Scotland), you get the the date and place of birth of the bride & groom, and the name of their parents (including the maiden names of the mothers).(on the certs) An index of statutory marriages (1855-1875) is on line at the LDS site, www.familysearch.org, (free) and on the Scottish Government site, (1855-1931), www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk site (but it costs 20p per search), you can then get a copy a copy of the cert. If prior to 1855, then you might have a problem, in 1843 2/3's of the ministers split from the Church of Scotland, to form the Free Church of Scotland and many of thier congregations followed, in the Free Kirk's early years their are few records, and they were more concerned about getting established than keeping registers. The marriage records of the Established Church have been indexed, both on the LDS site (which may have a few gaps, there are large gaps in the LDS online version of the baptisms) and the Scotlands People site. A word of warning, the Kirk did not have standard forms of record keeping like C of E, so records were either very detailed or minimal. Scottish "marriage" records, are usually Banns records, so you get the 3 dates of the Banns , followed by "and were later married" (with no date. Most only record the name & parish of the bride & groom, some record the grooms occuipation and the brides father. Some mention "cautioners' who were normally male relatives, who paid a bond, which was forfited if the couple did not marry. The LDS have indexed some non established church records. There are indexes of the marriages of some iternent ministers performed in the border towns like Greta Green. Good Hunting John Dods (1/4 Yorkie, 1/8 Yankee, the rest mostly Scottish :-) ) Wellington, NZ --- Judith Kettlewell <judith.kettlewell@btinternet.com> wrote: > Hi Listers > > I apologise for deviating away from Yorkshire for a > moment but does anyone know where I can find indices > for Scottish Marriages c1948 - 1955ish please? > > This is a Yorkshire man who married in Scotland so > not absolutely non Yorkshire. > > Many thanks for any help. > > Kind regards > > Judith K > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > Proud to be a transcriber for the freeCEN Project and volunteer for Random Acts of Geneological Kindness Ask me how you can contribute to either of these worthy projects or for other ways of helping our hobby. Researching BATTERS in all Yorkshire BENNIE in Lanarkshire, Dunbartonshire & WLN BENNING in Lanarkshire & Montreal COOPER in Pickering,Yorkshire DODS in East Lothian, Berwickshire, British Columbia, Montreal, Manchester, South Africa, Hong Kong, India DOUGLAS in Innerwick,ELN & Lanarkshire EASTWOOD in Holmfirth,WRY FENTON in Edinburgh FISHER in Leconfield & Pocklington, East YKS HAYTON in EastYorkshire HEWAT in East Lothian HESSELGRAVE in West Yorkshire LAMONT in Lanarkshire MCLEAN in Straclur,Argyll PAVER in Sherburn in Elmet, Yks RANKINE in Dunbartonshire, Perthshire SHIRREFF in East Lothian SUFFILL/SUFFIELD in West & North Yorkshire TROTTER, Islay,ARL,Lanarkshire, West Lothian WALTON, Bradford & Denby, Yorkshire WILLIAMSON in Edinburgh & North Berwick ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7

Hi Judith, www.scotlandspeople.gov is the official government site of genealogical data for Scotland and only has records for marriages up to 1931, so I assume that later marriages are not available. It may be worth contacting the Scottish GRO for advice http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk/index.html . I've put a post onto scotlandsfamilytree forum and will let you know if I have any positive response. Kind regards, Gail ----- Original Message ---- From: Judith Kettlewell <judith.kettlewell@btinternet.com> To: WEST-RIDING-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 14 July, 2007 9:12:22 PM Subject: [WRY] Scottish Marriages Hi Listers I apologise for deviating away from Yorkshire for a moment but does anyone know where I can find indices for Scottish Marriages c1948 - 1955ish please? This is a Yorkshire man who married in Scotland so not absolutely non Yorkshire. Many thanks for any help. Kind regards Judith K ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html

Thanks, Andy! The article is sad... hope something has been done about it.. My searches only turned up links to the Selby War Memorial Hospital! >http://archive.thisisyork.co.uk/2000/11/13/310157.html >2 Do you know which regiment he served with it may help with the search. Yes I have the info. 9th West York, Rg #10684. I have the medal card, swb roll, and his death cert. All the census records also up to 1901. Main thing I cannot find is any record of his being a POW. Medal card of Lowry, Luke Corps: West Yorkshire Regiment Regiment No: 10684 Rank: Private 1914-1920 WO 372/12 Thanks Christine! Strangely there were two Luke Lowry from Selby in the WY's. The one below is a relative buried in Huddersfield. >Online Document WO 372/12 >Medal Card of Lowry Luke L , West Yorkshire Regiment 11455 Private West >Yorkshire Regiment 6556 Private West Yorkshire Regiment 268044 Private >Date range: 1914 - 1920. Many thanks for the interest! Ann

From: evason frank <f_evason@yahoo.co.uk> > There was a recent reply to a query about military records from the > WWI quoting details from the medical card of a soldier. I (and > probably others) would be interested in learning how this information > was traced. Can you give us some clues please.> I think you probably mean the WWI medal index cards at The National Archives. http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/ -- Roy Stockdill Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

There was a recent reply to a query about military records from the WWI quoting details from the medical card of a soldier. I (and probably others) would be interested in learning how this information was traced. Can you give us some clues please. TIA Frank ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html

Hi Is this your man?? Christine Online Document WO 372/12 Medal Card of Lowry Luke L , West Yorkshire Regiment 11455 Private West Yorkshire Regiment 6556 Private West Yorkshire Regiment 268044 Private Date range: 1914 - 1920. > > >> Does anyone live in this area that could tell me if there are any WWI >> memorials there? Researching a Luke Lowry who served five years in WWI. >> >> Thanks! >> Ann >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release Date: 12/07/2007 > 16:08 > >

Does anyone live in this area that could tell me if there are any WWI memorials there? Researching a Luke Lowry who served five years in WWI. Thanks! Ann

Hi Ann Two things: 1] yes there is one, don't know a lot about it but found this link http://archive.thisisyork.co.uk/2000/11/13/310157.html 2]Do you know which regiment he served with it may help with the search. Regards Andy P.S. Admin you will have a post from me for vetting - I replied to this from the wrong email address, sorry > Does anyone live in this area that could tell me if there are any WWI > memorials there? Researching a Luke Lowry who served five years in WWI. > > Thanks! > Ann > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Re the above described as ' a native of Leeds' on a grave-marker (wooden) dated 1867, in western Canada. Bn c.1832. If anyone claims or is seeking this man I have photographs of the grave and cemetery and a possible descendent of his by description on an adjoining grave-stone. Bryan Slim Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Beverley Thomas Taylor's Inquest Book is at the Wakefield Archives office. I have my 2xgt grandfather's inquest from there - very detailed - and also have his inquest and death report from Wakefield library where they were most helpful in sending me the newspaper copy. I think that Thomas Taylors book is one of very few still surviving. You cannot get a photocopy as the book can't be opened flat but you can copy the report in long hand and it is better than nothing. Hope you are as lucky as I was. Kind regards Judith K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverley Hill" <hilltock@btinternet.com> To: <WEST-RIDING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 1:29 PM Subject: [WRY] My Brickwall any suggestions > Dear Listers > I have just received the death cert of my GrGr grandmother (Mary Ann > Blackburn nee Padley) she died on 31/03/1891 age 28 > It states she was the wife of Albert Blackburn (rivetter at boiler works) > the death was registered on 06/04/1891 there was an inquest held on > 01/04/1891 the coroner was Thomas Taylor. Her address was 18 Keddys yard > Kirkgate Wakefield. > Questions > 1. Would there be details of the inquest and if so where? > 2. If Albert was dead would she have been registered as widow. > 3. What boiler works were in Wakefield at the time > 4. What cemeteries church yards are in the kirkgate area. > 5. Where were the Yorkshire inquests held maybe Albert was not in > Wakefield > on census night > > I have found her children in Sth hiendly living with their uncle on census > night 05/04/1891 > I have been unable to find Albert in 1891. > Acording to their sons marriage cert in 1899 Albert was deceased. > I have as yet been unable to find a death for Albert. > In 1886 Mary Ann and children Joseph Benjamin Harriett were in Wakefield > workhouse but not Albert.( I always assumed they were there because he > died > prior to 1886 now not so sure) > With the help of Ray I have found only one residence for Keddys yard on > the > 1891 census but her death certs sugggest there were more than one house > there. > > Thank you > Bev > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/897 - Release Date: 11/07/2007 > 21:57 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From: "Beverley Hill" <hilltock@btinternet.com> > I have just received the death cert of my GrGr grandmother (Mary Ann > Blackburn nee Padley) she died on 31/03/1891 age 28 It states she was > the wife of Albert Blackburn (rivetter at boiler works) the death was > registered on 06/04/1891 there was an inquest held on 01/04/1891 the > coroner was Thomas Taylor. Her address was 18 Keddys yard Kirkgate > Wakefield. Questions 1. Would there be details of the inquest and if > so where? 2. If Albert was dead would she have been registered as > widow. 3. What boiler works were in Wakefield at the time 4. What > cemeteries church yards are in the kirkgate area. 5. Where were the > Yorkshire inquests held maybe Albert was not in Wakefield on census > night > > I have found her children in Sth hiendly living with their uncle on > census night 05/04/1891 I have been unable to find Albert in 1891. > Acording to their sons marriage cert in 1899 Albert was deceased. I > have as yet been unable to find a death for Albert. In 1886 Mary Ann > and children Joseph Benjamin Harriett were in Wakefield workhouse but > not Albert.( I always assumed they were there because he died prior to > 1886 now not so sure) With the help of Ray I have found only one > residence for Keddys yard on the 1891 census but her death certs > sugggest there were more than one house there.> You should look for a report of the inquest in a local newspaper of the time. Forget looking for the coroner's report - their survival is extremely patchy and you are more likely to get details from the paper, as Victorian newspapers frequently covered inquests. The inquest would have been in Wakefield, I imagine, since it was a sizeable town even then and would have had its own coroner. The 1891 census was held on the night of April 5th. -- Roy Stockdill Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Dear Listers I have just received the death cert of my GrGr grandmother (Mary Ann Blackburn nee Padley) she died on 31/03/1891 age 28 It states she was the wife of Albert Blackburn (rivetter at boiler works) the death was registered on 06/04/1891 there was an inquest held on 01/04/1891 the coroner was Thomas Taylor. Her address was 18 Keddys yard Kirkgate Wakefield. Questions 1. Would there be details of the inquest and if so where? 2. If Albert was dead would she have been registered as widow. 3. What boiler works were in Wakefield at the time 4. What cemeteries church yards are in the kirkgate area. 5. Where were the Yorkshire inquests held maybe Albert was not in Wakefield on census night I have found her children in Sth hiendly living with their uncle on census night 05/04/1891 I have been unable to find Albert in 1891. Acording to their sons marriage cert in 1899 Albert was deceased. I have as yet been unable to find a death for Albert. In 1886 Mary Ann and children Joseph Benjamin Harriett were in Wakefield workhouse but not Albert.( I always assumed they were there because he died prior to 1886 now not so sure) With the help of Ray I have found only one residence for Keddys yard on the 1891 census but her death certs sugggest there were more than one house there. Thank you Bev No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/897 - Release Date: 11/07/2007 21:57

Hi Mary Lou Sorry that I can't help as I live 150+ miles away in Surrey! I have visited this cemetery a few years ago to see a gravestone of one of my ancestors, and found that there were a batch of the family gravestones nearby. So suggest that whoever visits, they check on nearby grave/stones for possible relations - maybe necessary for you to tell the "volunteer" about your near family relations. Hope this helps. Good luck Richard ps It was my impression that most of the gravestones there were in a remarkably good condition, so that the engraving was well preserved. Is it millstone grit!? Possibly the industrial pollution also helped in their preservation? -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Mlou1173@aol.com Sent: 12 July 2007 00:20 To: WEST-RIDING-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WRY] Barnsley Cemetery Hi.....does anyone take walks through Barnsley Cemetery that might be willing to look for a grave for me to see if there is a stone and, if so, what the inscription reads. This is my gg-grandmother. RACHEL COATES Died July 12, 1886 Buried July 14, 1886 in Section S161 Any connections would be great too!! Her maiden name was NORTON. Thanks much.....mary lou ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mine came from Bedfordshire to Wakefield to work on the railways in the 1870s Gt. Granddad had been a platelayer in Bedfordshire and did the same job in Wakefield. Jill ----- Original Message ----- From: <Carolgriff@aol.com> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com>; <West-Riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] MARKEY - from Gloucestershire to Bradford > Hi > > Mine came from Bedfordshire- straw plaiters - to Yorkshire late 1870's. > I guess lack of work and starvation brought them but I bet there were > agents > for the mills enticing them. > Im sure Ive heard that their passage was paid for on the canals- even for > older kids but not babies. > > Dont quote me on this tho:) > > CAROL > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/894 - Release Date: 10/07/2007 > 17:44 > >

Dear List I am trying to find out why my MARKEY ancestor's moved from Gloucestershire to Bradford in the 1870's. Was there a scheme to entice southern agricultural workers to the Industrial North? If so, can anyone point me in the right direction to find out more? Or can anyone offer a further suggestion? Many thanks Della in Melbourne