My greatgrandparents were Dan and Francis Sykes. They lived in Back Lane, Wakefield, in 1865, where my grandmother Fanny Sykes was born in that year. I think this is in the West Riding. Just thought I would send this in case there might be a connection. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M.J.Baker" <mjbaker@webace.com.au> To: <west-riding-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 4:40 AM Subject: [WRY] Scholefield or Sykes families of West Yorkshire 18th century > Genealogical interest in West Ridings and the "marriage" connection to > East Riding dynasties. > > Also interest in Whitton family resident in the Easting Ridings. > > mjbaker@webace.com.au > 10/8/07 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Did look at the site is in two parts a free and gratis site and a payfor professional site Does also cover most of the rest of the world also. Did of pure curiosity looked at the Scandinavian page noted that as far as I could see there was no mention of the University in Bergen Norway site http:// www.digitalarkivet.uib.no which gives four Norwegian censuses 1800 1865 1875 1900 plus shipping lists churchbooks etc which I would have reckoned should have been included in the lists of free sites for Scandinavia. Which makes me wonder if there are equal omissions for the UK and Ireland But must say the site is well laid out and full of information and site URLs regards Terry Norway ps sorry about blank message earlier >From: 'Jane McLean' >To: >Sent: Sat Aug 11 12:35 >Subject: Fwd: [LEI] Fw: New Site >"Expert Links: England Family History and Genealogy" is a new page on >the Price and Associates Genealogical Services website. It organizes >nearly 400 important websites for English genealogy in one place. >Categories include sites where you can obtain civil registration files >and indexes, vital records, probate records, emigration records, and >more. Links are organized by national sites first, then by county in >alphabetical order. For-a-fee sites are set apart with a different >color. >http://www.pricegen.com/english_genealogy.html >------------------------------- > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger overalt med WebMessenger http://webmessenger.msn.com/?mkt=nb-no - Den korteste veien mellom deg og dine venner

----- Original Message ---- From: Roy Stockdill <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> To: WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 12 August, 2007 9:13:53 AM Subject: Re: [WRY] Thank You for the help ; Nowell-Dawson- New to genealogy From: "Ned Gibbs" <ndgibbs15@hotmail.com> > I'm sorry for the typo the year of marriage is 1849 and I ordered a > marriage certificate on Thursday from the GRO the info I have was on > William Nowell's grave marker. My husband's family are the Nowell's my > father in-law's mother is a Nowell and they have been to his grave > site in Hallsville Boone Missouri and on his tombstone it say's where > he was born 31 July 1824 and for the place it say's Darlington > Yorkshire ,England and He died 20 Nov 1880 in Hallsville, Rocky Fork > Township Boone county Missouri I have found about 9 different William > Nowell's born the same year or within a year or two from Yorkshire . I > do know that he had a son named William Byron Nowell Born in 1852 and > died in Columbia Missouri He was born in WI I have his death cert and > it says his mother is Ruth Dawson and father is William Nowell who > died in Hallsville MO . So I am Hoping the marriage cert will have all > the info on it . I was informed by someone that the lines of the > boundaries was different back then than now is this true ? if they > left in 1850 do you have any idea what ship they may have been on or > what port they may have come into or what i can search to find out ? > Again thank you so much for your help Debbie Gibbs CA> A few points in response to your queries..... 1) You are correct in saying that boundaries have changed over the years, but I can assure you that the town of Darlington itself has never been in Yorkshire. It does, however, lie very close to the Yorkshire- County Durham border and some outlying villages that probably regard Darlington as their main and nearest major town do lie just across the county border in Yorkshire. It is also true that the Darlington Registration District for about 100 years from 1837 to 1936 contained a number of parishes that geographically lay within the North Riding of Yorkshire. All you have to do to discover what places lay within a particular RD is to go to FreeBMD and call up any event in that district - using Smith and Darlington will do - and then click on the name of the RD. This takes you to other links that give a full list of all the towns, parishes and villages that lay within the RD. It rather depends on where William Nowell thought he was born. He may indeed have been born across the border in Yorkshire but told people it was Darlington because that was what he regarded as the nearest major town. People who lived on the border of two counties frequently had only a vague idea of which county they were in. It is equally likely that if his children and descendants, who were born in America, were responsible for the grave marker they probably had only the vaguest idea of where Darlington was, especially in the 19th century. Today, given the advantage of the Internet, you have only to enter "Darlington" into Google to learn just about everything you could possible wish to know about the place. I recommend you to do this, since it is ALWAYS as well to familiarise yourself with the geography and history of the place in which you are researching. Darlington, for instance, is widely known for its association with the birth of the railways. 2) The marriage certificate will have the names of both fathers but NOT the mothers. Unfortunately, those have never appeared on English marriage certificates. However, as I pointed out yesterday, the father's name should enable you to find the right Ruth Dawson in the 1841 census. Then you can look for her baptism and the parents' marriage on the IGI. 3) They would almost certainly have left from Liverpool, I would think. -- Roy Stockdill Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/

From: "Ned Gibbs" <ndgibbs15@hotmail.com> > I'm sorry for the typo the year of marriage is 1849 and I ordered a > marriage certificate on Thursday from the GRO the info I have was on > William Nowell's grave marker. My husband's family are the Nowell's my > father in-law's mother is a Nowell and they have been to his grave > site in Hallsville Boone Missouri and on his tombstone it say's where > he was born 31 July 1824 and for the place it say's Darlington > Yorkshire ,England and He died 20 Nov 1880 in Hallsville, Rocky Fork > Township Boone county Missouri I have found about 9 different William > Nowell's born the same year or within a year or two from Yorkshire . I > do know that he had a son named William Byron Nowell Born in 1852 and > died in Columbia Missouri He was born in WI I have his death cert and > it says his mother is Ruth Dawson and father is William Nowell who > died in Hallsville MO . So I am Hoping the marriage cert will have all > the info on it . I was informed by someone that the lines of the > boundaries was different back then than now is this true ? if they > left in 1850 do you have any idea what ship they may have been on or > what port they may have come into or what i can search to find out ? > Again thank you so much for your help Debbie Gibbs CA> A few points in response to your queries..... 1) You are correct in saying that boundaries have changed over the years, but I can assure you that the town of Darlington itself has never been in Yorkshire. It does, however, lie very close to the Yorkshire- County Durham border and some outlying villages that probably regard Darlington as their main and nearest major town do lie just across the county border in Yorkshire. It is also true that the Darlington Registration District for about 100 years from 1837 to 1936 contained a number of parishes that geographically lay within the North Riding of Yorkshire. All you have to do to discover what places lay within a particular RD is to go to FreeBMD and call up any event in that district - using Smith and Darlington will do - and then click on the name of the RD. This takes you to other links that give a full list of all the towns, parishes and villages that lay within the RD. It rather depends on where William Nowell thought he was born. He may indeed have been born across the border in Yorkshire but told people it was Darlington because that was what he regarded as the nearest major town. People who lived on the border of two counties frequently had only a vague idea of which county they were in. It is equally likely that if his children and descendants, who were born in America, were responsible for the grave marker they probably had only the vaguest idea of where Darlington was, especially in the 19th century. Today, given the advantage of the Internet, you have only to enter "Darlington" into Google to learn just about everything you could possible wish to know about the place. I recommend you to do this, since it is ALWAYS as well to familiarise yourself with the geography and history of the place in which you are researching. Darlington, for instance, is widely known for its association with the birth of the railways. 2) The marriage certificate will have the names of both fathers but NOT the mothers. Unfortunately, those have never appeared on English marriage certificates. However, as I pointed out yesterday, the father's name should enable you to find the right Ruth Dawson in the 1841 census. Then you can look for her baptism and the parents' marriage on the IGI. 3) They would almost certainly have left from Liverpool, I would think. -- Roy Stockdill Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi Regret no connections to SCHOLEFIELD or SYKES in the West Riding (note no "s") or West Yorkshire, but I do have WHITTON's in the North Riding, but none in the East (no "ing") Riding, although I suspect connections to there..... If you are interested perhaps contact me offlist? and maybe we can share info Regards Geoff in Sevilla >From: "M.J.Baker" <mjbaker@webace.com.au> >To: <west-riding-l@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [WRY] Scholefield or Sykes families of West Yorkshire 18th century >Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:40:43 +0800 > >Genealogical interest in West Ridings and the "marriage" connection to East >Riding dynasties. > >Also interest in Whitton family resident in the Easting Ridings. > >mjbaker@webace.com.au >10/8/07 > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ The next generation of Hotmail is here! http://www.newhotmail.co.uk

Hi Debbie, About the ship they came on and the arrival port, you may want to try the Castle Garden website, castlegarden.org. This was the site of arrivals in New York before Ellis Island opened. However if your husband's ancestors went to Missouri after their arrival, they may have arrived in the port of New Orleans and traveled up the Mississippi (I'm sorry but I don't know anything about the time span for New Orleans, maybe someone else on this list might). My ancestors arrived at Castle Garden in 1879 &1880 and they left from the port of Liverpool. Marjorie marjorie@gmavt.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ned Gibbs" <ndgibbs15@hotmail.com> To: <WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 9:05 PM Subject: [WRY] Thank You for the help ; Nowell-Dawson- New to genealogy > > > Thank you for all the help > > I'm sorry for the typo the year of marriage is 1849 and I ordered > a marriage certificate on Thursday from the GRO the info I have was on > William Nowell's > grave marker. My husband's family are the Nowell's my father in-law's mother > is a Nowell > and they have been to his grave site in Hallsville Boone Missouri and > on his tombstone it say's where he was born 31 July 1824 and for the > place it say's Darlington Yorkshire ,England and He died 20 Nov 1880 in > Hallsville, Rocky Fork Township Boone county Missouri > I have found about 9 different William Nowell's born the same year or > within a year or two from Yorkshire . I do know that he had a son named > William Byron Nowell > Born in 1852 and died in Columbia Missouri He was born in WI I have his > death cert and it says his mother is Ruth Dawson and father is William > Nowell who died in Hallsville MO . So I am Hoping > the marriage cert will have all the info on it . I was informed by someone > that the lines of the boundaries was different back then than now is this > true ? if they left in 1850 do you have any idea what ship they may have > been on or what port they may have come into or what i can search to find > out ? > Again thank you so much for your help > Debbie Gibbs > CA > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 8/11/2007 7:50:25 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, ndgibbs15@hotmail.com writes: I do know that he had a son named William Byron Nowell Born in 1852 and died in Columbia Missouri He was born in WI Hi Debbie.....did you get the 1860 census I sent you from Missouri? They also had a daughter called Isabella born 1850 in Illinois...the census says that their son, William B was also born in Illinois. However, I've found them on the 1880 census and William is now a widower and living with his married daughter and her family. This one says Isabella was born in Wisconsin. Hallsville, Boone County, Missouri William Brink - 33 - Blacksmith b. Missouri Bella Brink - 27 - wife b. Wisconsin Ruth Brink - 11 - daughter b. Missouri Clara Brink - 5 - daughter b. Missouri William Nowell - father-in-law - widower - age 54 b. England And next door most likely William Brink's parents: Charles Brink - 56 - blacksmith b. Missouri Harriett Brink - 49 - wife b. Missouri And here is the son, William B., still single in 1880 Columbia, Boone County Missouri W.B. Nowell - age 27 - grocery salesman - b. Wisconsin By 1900 he has married, still living in Columbia: W.B. Nowell - age 48 - grocery merchant b. Wisconsin. Married 18 years. Annie Nowell - age 39 - wife b. Missouri. Mother of 8 with 6 living. Fannie Nowell - age 16 - daughter b. Missouri Benjamin Nowell - age 14 - son b. Missouri Lizzie Nowell - age 12 - daughter b. Missouri John M. Nowell - age 10 - son b. Missouri Sarah Nowell - age 4 - daughter b. Missouri Ruth Nowell - age 1 - daughter b. Missouri And here are the Brinks in 1900: Hallsville, Boone County, Missouri William J. Brink - age 54 - blacksmith b. Missouri Isabella Brink - age 49 - wife b. Wisconsin Stanley Morgenthaler - age 9 - grandson b. Missouri Lots to go on here! Best wishes.....mary lou Best wishes....mary lou ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Hi folks, Firstly - thank you for your private messages. Because this appears to be the more popular option, I have reset the default to 'Reply to list' If you need to contact a member privately please do not just click on reply, instead address your e-mail to the sender's address. Cheers, Dave

From: "Ned Gibbs" <ndgibbs15@hotmail.com> > Please forgive me if I don't post thei correctly as I am very New to > finding ancestors in England Also are their any genealogist one can > pay that are reasonable and good ? Do you know what the going rate is? > > I am looking for > William Nowell born 31 July 1824 Born in Darlington Yorkshire > England > and married Ruth Dawson 1949 Huddersfield is where they registered > according to book XXII page 230 that I found then listed in on > ancestry's marriages The only other info I have on either of them is > that he died in Hallsvilles , Boone County, Missouri USA I don't know > when they left > > England or anything about their parents or when she died > I don't know anything about Ruth Dawson > any help out there? > Thank You for any help you can give > > Debbie > Newbury Park California USA> I am a professional genealogist and I will tell you for no charge that Darlington is NOT in Yorkshire! It is in the adjoining county of County Durham. There is a rootsweb mailing list for Co Durham and probably one for Darlington. I also think you mean that the marriage at Huddersfield was in 1849, don't you? At least, the potential marriage appears at FreeBMD in the March quarter of 1849 (I say potential because, of course, there are other names on the same page). I should also tell you that Dawson is an extremely common name around the Huddersfield area, assuming the marriage was in the bride's parish. I cannot find them in the 1851 census, which suggests they may have emigrated soon after the marriage. However, if you check out the 1841 census there are THREE Ruth Dawsons born about the right time at Almondbury (in 1827, 1828 and 1830) to have been the one married at Huddersfield in 1849. Almondbury is a large adjoining parish to Huddersfield and your Ruth Dawson could have been any one of them, since Almondbury came within Huddersfield Registration District. There was another Ruth Dawson born at Huddersfield in 1839 but she would have been too young. However, since you have the precise reference of her marriage, the obvious thing to do is buy the certificate which will at least tell you who her father was. Hopefully, she will turn out to be one of the three in the census of 1841. None of this requires you to spend money on hiring a professional researcher, only for the time being seven pounds on the marriage certificate. You can order it online from the GRO for England & Wales. -- Roy Stockdill Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Debbie What is it that you are looking for? You can find the names of the two fathers by buying the marriage certificate (about 14 USD - 7GBP). It will also tell you where the marriage was that might help locate where Ruth was from (Huddersfield registration district includes many towns and villages). I looked, briefly, on the 1851 and 1861 censuses and couldn't find a trace of them - a longer search might turn them up. But if not easily found on 2 successive censuses then that might suggest they emigrated fairly soon after they married. Have you looked for them on the US censuses of 1850 and 1860 - or later? That may help to narrow down when they left UK by finding the places of birth of the children - eg if the youngest was born England and the rest in USA then you can narrow the dates down a lot. Ancestry.com is the place to look. Findmypast has shipping info from 1890, but this is probably too late for your couple. There are 3 Ruth Dawson's in "Almondbury" in 1841 who were born in 1826+-10yrs, but until you have the marriage certificate then you won't be able to narrow them down. Overall, to find their families you need to have the marriage certificate and search the 1841 census and the parish registers of where they were from. To find where/when they went you need passenger lists/immigraiton records and US censuses Jack -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Ned Gibbs Sent: 11 August 2007 18:09 To: WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com Subject: [WRY] (no subject) List Please forgive me if I don't post thei correctly as I am very New to finding ancestors in England Also are their any genealogist one can pay that are reasonable and good ? Do you know what the going rate is? I am looking for William Nowell born 31 July 1824 Born in Darlington Yorkshire England and married Ruth Dawson 1949 Huddersfield is where they registered according to book XXII page 230 that I found then listed in on ancestry's marriages The only other info I have on either of them is that he died in Hallsvilles , Boone County, Missouri USA I don't know when they left England or anything about their parents or when she died I don't know anything about Ruth Dawson any help out there? Thank You for any help you can give Debbie Newbury Park California USA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you for all the help I'm sorry for the typo the year of marriage is 1849 and I ordered a marriage certificate on Thursday from the GRO the info I have was on William Nowell's grave marker. My husband's family are the Nowell's my father in-law's mother is a Nowell and they have been to his grave site in Hallsville Boone Missouri and on his tombstone it say's where he was born 31 July 1824 and for the place it say's Darlington Yorkshire ,England and He died 20 Nov 1880 in Hallsville, Rocky Fork Township Boone county Missouri I have found about 9 different William Nowell's born the same year or within a year or two from Yorkshire . I do know that he had a son named William Byron Nowell Born in 1852 and died in Columbia Missouri He was born in WI I have his death cert and it says his mother is Ruth Dawson and father is William Nowell who died in Hallsville MO . So I am Hoping the marriage cert will have all the info on it . I was informed by someone that the lines of the boundaries was different back then than now is this true ? if they left in 1850 do you have any idea what ship they may have been on or what port they may have come into or what i can search to find out ? Again thank you so much for your help Debbie Gibbs CA

Hi folks, "Gordon" <g_warrington@sky.com> wrote - > Sorry, Mr Administrator, but I do not seem to have your address otherwise > I would write you direct.... * This message had to be addressed to the list as simply clicking on 'Reply' to one of my list messages would have sent it directly to me. If you don't know the admin's address, Rootsweb use the same format for contacting him/her. (list.name-admin@rootsweb.com) so my address would be West-Riding-admin@rootsweb.com > I am not entering into any pros or cons about the 'argument' but must just > comment that I think it is always preferable to have replies to listings > to be sent to the list and not to the poster. * I agree, but many of the recent off-topic posts to the list appeared to be due to subscribers not being aware that their replies were being posted to the list. >There are a lot of very good questions asked by our many listers to which I >feel the replies add to our knowledge, even if we are 'lurking' as it were. >I know I like to see answers to many of the questions and have picked up >some very good tips from this method. * Your views - PRIVATELY to me at dave.jassie@ntlworld.com are invited. Do you prefer to see ALL replies posted to the list or are you happy with the present 'reply to poster' set-up? >If you want to intercept this message and keep it private feel free to do >so * The only times I can intercept messages is when they bounce to me due to the list or subscriber being in 'moderated' mode or they are from a non-subscriber (Spam) etc. Dave Jassie - List Administrator

Dear List Searching in Ancestry's index of Complete Births England & Wales for a birth in Q1 1913 for surname WALKER without any luck, I finally emailed Ancestry. This is the reply. "We were aware that U-Z of the 1st quarter birth index for 1913 were missing. We have submitted this to our site developers and we do not have a time frame as to when these will be added. These types of errors can take quite some time and we appreciate your patience." So the searcher beware!! I found the reference I was looking for on the FreeBDM site. Regards Della in Melbourne

List Please forgive me if I don't post thei correctly as I am very New to finding ancestors in England Also are their any genealogist one can pay that are reasonable and good ? Do you know what the going rate is? I am looking for William Nowell born 31 July 1824 Born in Darlington Yorkshire England and married Ruth Dawson 1949 Huddersfield is where they registered according to book XXII page 230 that I found then listed in on ancestry's marriages The only other info I have on either of them is that he died in Hallsvilles , Boone County, Missouri USA I don't know when they left England or anything about their parents or when she died I don't know anything about Ruth Dawson any help out there? Thank You for any help you can give Debbie Newbury Park California USA

Well just too see if there are anyone researching Hardacres and Ralphs in Settle or into more recent times anyone know what happened to the Hopkin and Fowkes children of Ada Fowkes (Hopkin nee Gadsby) originaly from Leicestershire. Terry in Norway - Meldingen er sendt via Epost.no WebMail system

Sorry, Mr Administrator, but I do not seem to have your address otherwise I would write you direct.... I am not entering into any pros or cons about the 'argument' but must just comment that I think it is always preferable to have replies to listings to be sent to the list and not to the poster. There are a lot of very good questions asked by our many listers to which I feel the replies add to our knowledge, even if we are 'lurking' as it were. I know I like to see answers to many of the questions and have picked up some very good tips from this method. If you want to intercept this message and keep it private feel free to do so Gordon Warrington FreeREG Lincs Co-ordinator see http://snipurl.com/Registers Heckington Genealogy see http://snipurl.com/Heckington

> -----Original Message----- > From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David > Sent: 08 August 2007 21:29 > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WRY] ADMINISTRATION > > Oh dear......how many times do I have to repeat myself? > I'd check the list archives to see, but to be honest, I can't be bothered > For the very last time - > If you don't like what another subscriber has to say, contact them > PRIVATELY. David, Apologies for my late response to this, but I have been away for a week. As a rare contributor to this list, I would question this. Although I agree that it is inappropriate to allow a debate like this to continue indefinitely, I would suggest that it is of interest to users of the list to know how people react to posts such as those of Roy Stockdill alluded to - otherwise there is no way of knowing what others think about them, and it can give the false impression that everyone sees them as quite acceptable. Steve

Genealogical interest in West Ridings and the "marriage" connection to East Riding dynasties. Also interest in Whitton family resident in the Easting Ridings. mjbaker@webace.com.au 10/8/07

Hello List, I have an idea this is an impossible request but may be a challenge to someone. I am looking for a marriage for Jeremiah Darcy/D'Arcy and Hannah ???. They had a son in Kent in 1822 so their marriage must have been just before that year. Hannah ?? was born in Yorkshire, date unknown, and Jeremiah was born in Queens County Ireland abt 1793. In 1822 when their son John was born Jeremiah was in the 86th Regiment. Jeremiah and Hannah had moved to Leeds by 1826. He had finished with the Army and their two children born in Leeds in 1826 were baptised at St Patricks in 1826. Their names were John Francis and Mary Ann. There was no sign of John, born in Kent in 1822. I have a copy of the bishops transcript relating to the 1822 christening in Kent. I hope this is not too long winded. Thank you for any help. Mary Heppell