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More likely the husbands died or they separated rather than had a "proper" documented divorce Angela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Elliott" <meelliott@btinternet.com> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] Help needed with relationships > That is certainly an interesting theory! Thank you. Where should > I look to find information about divorces at that time? > > Regards > Margaret > > > On 13 Aug 2007, at 18:54, Claire wrote: > > > ok - if she was "Step Mother" to head of house then was she married > to John DANIELS' father? > > Maybe she was married 3 times - > > 1st marriage to ? STRAFFORD > 2nd marriage to ? DANIELS > 3rd marriage to ? JOHNSON > > making her step mother of John DANIELS and making John STRAFFORD step > brother to John DANIELS. > > hmmmm.... > > ~ Claire >> To: WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com> From: meelliott@btinternet.com> Date: >> Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:04:46 +0100> Subject: [WRY] Help needed with >> relationships> > Please can someone with more genealogical >> experience than I help > interpret the following for me. Searching >> for relatives of Adelina > STRAFFORD I came across this entry from >> the 1851 census:> > ref: piece 2337 folio 477B> New George St 4> >> (Ecclesall Bierlow; Ecclesiastical District: St Mary's [Bramall >> Lane])> > John DANIELS Head Marr 32 spring knife cutler Sheffield> >> Mary A DANIELS Wife Marr 32 Sheffield> William DANIELS Son 10 >> scholar Sheffield> Emma DANIELS Dau 8 scholar Sheffield> Mary A >> DANIELS Dau 1 scholar [sic] Sheffield> Ann JOHNSON Step Mo Wid 70 >> household duties parish relf. Sheffield> John STRAFFORD Step Bro >> Widr 47 miller journeyman NTT Scrooby> > JOHN STRAFFORD is >> certainly Adelina's brother, and son of John and > Ann STRAFFORD. >> Age, birthplace and occupation are correct. John > and Adelina did >> in fact have a s! > ibling Mary Ann born in 1800, but she > married George FORD, was > born in Scrooby not Sheffield, and the age > on this census is quite > wrong. (From the 1861 census I discovered > that the Mary A DANIELS > had a daughter in 1855, so this Mary could > not possibly be John and > Adelina's sibling). So Mary A DANIELS was > not John STRAFFORD's > sister> > ANN JOHNSON. John and Adelina's mother was called Ann. But > she > disappeared (but I have been unable to find her death) between > the > birth of a son in 1810 and the marriage of John to Harriet > MILNER in > Scrooby in 1814. I suppose John and Ann STRAFFORD could > have > divorced(?) and Ann remarried.> > So what could be the > connection between the DANIELS and Ann JOHNSON > and John STRAFFORD?> > > Regards> Margaret> > > > > > -------------------------------> To > unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > _________________________________________________________________ > Try Live.com - your fast, personalised homepage with all the things > you care about in one place. > http://www.live.com/?mkt=en-gb > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It would have to have been a divorce as they were married, and husband John Strafford remarried in 1814. But daughter Adelina married a cow keeper, and John was a miller, so they were hardly other than 'ordinary'. I have also now found a birth for Mary Ann Johnson in Sheffield in 1818, daughter of George and Ann Johnson. George Johnson married Ann Gillot, so it would seem that the Ann Johnson was mother in law of John Daniels. But I cannot link John Strafford to any of them. Regards Margaret On 13 Aug 2007, at 21:35, Kim Groothuis wrote: Margaret I think Claire's suggestion has a lot going for it, and I think you're right to look into it. A divorce at that time would have been impossible for ordinary people. People did run off and marry other people, pretending to be widowed, but as Ann seems to have remained in touch with her children and stepchildren that seems unlikely. It's far more likely that her first, second and third husbands all died, and the relative ages of John DANIELS and his stepbrother would support that. That might sound unlikely to modern ears but being widowed three times would have been more likely in those days. ie, if Claire's suggestion is correct, Ann was married to Mr STRAFFORD and gave birth to John STRAFFORD. Mr STRAFFORD died and she subsequently married Mr DANIELS and gave birth to John DANIELS. It's quite probable that John STRAFFORD, and any other children from that married, went with her when she moved in with Mr DANIELS. Then Mr DANIELS died and Ann married a Mr JOHNSON. Alternatively STRAFFORD may have been her maiden name and she had the first John out of wedlock, but there's nothing to suggest that, it's just a posibility. She was 23 at the time and so more likely to be married. Hope this helps Kim Margaret Elliott <meelliott@btinternet.com> wrote: That is certainly an interesting theory! Thank you. Where should I look to find information about divorces at that time? Regards Margaret On 13 Aug 2007, at 18:54, Claire wrote: ok - if she was "Step Mother" to head of house then was she married to John DANIELS' father? Maybe she was married 3 times - 1st marriage to ? STRAFFORD 2nd marriage to ? DANIELS 3rd marriage to ? JOHNSON making her step mother of John DANIELS and making John STRAFFORD step brother to John DANIELS. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Margaret I think Claire's suggestion has a lot going for it, and I think you're right to look into it. A divorce at that time would have been impossible for ordinary people. People did run off and marry other people, pretending to be widowed, but as Ann seems to have remained in touch with her children and stepchildren that seems unlikely. It's far more likely that her first, second and third husbands all died, and the relative ages of John DANIELS and his stepbrother would support that. That might sound unlikely to modern ears but being widowed three times would have been more likely in those days. ie, if Claire's suggestion is correct, Ann was married to Mr STRAFFORD and gave birth to John STRAFFORD. Mr STRAFFORD died and she subsequently married Mr DANIELS and gave birth to John DANIELS. It's quite probable that John STRAFFORD, and any other children from that married, went with her when she moved in with Mr DANIELS. Then Mr DANIELS died and Ann married a Mr JOHNSON. Alternatively STRAFFORD may have been her maiden name and she had the first John out of wedlock, but there's nothing to suggest that, it's just a posibility. She was 23 at the time and so more likely to be married. Hope this helps Kim Margaret Elliott <meelliott@btinternet.com> wrote: That is certainly an interesting theory! Thank you. Where should I look to find information about divorces at that time? Regards Margaret On 13 Aug 2007, at 18:54, Claire wrote: ok - if she was "Step Mother" to head of house then was she married to John DANIELS' father? Maybe she was married 3 times - 1st marriage to ? STRAFFORD 2nd marriage to ? DANIELS 3rd marriage to ? JOHNSON making her step mother of John DANIELS and making John STRAFFORD step brother to John DANIELS. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now.

In a message dated 8/13/2007 2:24:06 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, meelliott@btinternet.com writes: That is certainly an interesting theory! Thank you. Where should I look to find information about divorces at that time? Hi Margaret......If it were I, I'd start looking for deaths first. mary lou ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

That is certainly an interesting theory! Thank you. Where should I look to find information about divorces at that time? Regards Margaret On 13 Aug 2007, at 18:54, Claire wrote: ok - if she was "Step Mother" to head of house then was she married to John DANIELS' father? Maybe she was married 3 times - 1st marriage to ? STRAFFORD 2nd marriage to ? DANIELS 3rd marriage to ? JOHNSON making her step mother of John DANIELS and making John STRAFFORD step brother to John DANIELS. hmmmm.... ~ Claire > To: WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com> From: meelliott@btinternet.com> Date: > Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:04:46 +0100> Subject: [WRY] Help needed with > relationships> > Please can someone with more genealogical > experience than I help > interpret the following for me. Searching > for relatives of Adelina > STRAFFORD I came across this entry from > the 1851 census:> > ref: piece 2337 folio 477B> New George St 4> > (Ecclesall Bierlow; Ecclesiastical District: St Mary's [Bramall > Lane])> > John DANIELS Head Marr 32 spring knife cutler Sheffield> > Mary A DANIELS Wife Marr 32 Sheffield> William DANIELS Son 10 > scholar Sheffield> Emma DANIELS Dau 8 scholar Sheffield> Mary A > DANIELS Dau 1 scholar [sic] Sheffield> Ann JOHNSON Step Mo Wid 70 > household duties parish relf. Sheffield> John STRAFFORD Step Bro > Widr 47 miller journeyman NTT Scrooby> > JOHN STRAFFORD is > certainly Adelina's brother, and son of John and > Ann STRAFFORD. > Age, birthplace and occupation are correct. John > and Adelina did > in fact have a s! ibling Mary Ann born in 1800, but she > married George FORD, was born in Scrooby not Sheffield, and the age > on this census is quite wrong. (From the 1861 census I discovered > that the Mary A DANIELS had a daughter in 1855, so this Mary could > not possibly be John and Adelina's sibling). So Mary A DANIELS was > not John STRAFFORD's sister> > ANN JOHNSON. John and Adelina's mother was called Ann. But she > disappeared (but I have been unable to find her death) between the > birth of a son in 1810 and the marriage of John to Harriet MILNER in > Scrooby in 1814. I suppose John and Ann STRAFFORD could have > divorced(?) and Ann remarried.> > So what could be the connection between the DANIELS and Ann JOHNSON > and John STRAFFORD?> > Regards> Margaret> > > > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Try Live.com - your fast, personalised homepage with all the things you care about in one place. http://www.live.com/?mkt=en-gb ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

General questions. The first, do the local churches record the baptism and weddings they perform. I ask as if a child was born between census and there is a marriage cert which list a church in which the parents were united in matrimony it is highly probable that any children born from this union will be baptized in that church. Learning of children whom were baptized between census years might also identify those children whom died during childhood. When a serviceman is killed in action, does the government issue a death cert? If so, will the serviceman's local Registration District have a record of this death? Also, during WW I, did the local Halifax papers print an obit when a local boy was KIA? Prior to his enlistment in August 1917, a possible twig on my tree worked for a firm by the name of Clay & Co. Anyone know of this firm? Thanks. Richard

Please can someone with more genealogical experience than I help interpret the following for me. Searching for relatives of Adelina STRAFFORD I came across this entry from the 1851 census: ref: piece 2337 folio 477B New George St 4 (Ecclesall Bierlow; Ecclesiastical District: St Mary's [Bramall Lane]) John DANIELS Head Marr 32 spring knife cutler Sheffield Mary A DANIELS Wife Marr 32 Sheffield William DANIELS Son 10 scholar Sheffield Emma DANIELS Dau 8 scholar Sheffield Mary A DANIELS Dau 1 scholar [sic] Sheffield Ann JOHNSON Step Mo Wid 70 household duties parish relf. Sheffield John STRAFFORD Step Bro Widr 47 miller journeyman NTT Scrooby JOHN STRAFFORD is certainly Adelina's brother, and son of John and Ann STRAFFORD. Age, birthplace and occupation are correct. John and Adelina did in fact have a sibling Mary Ann born in 1800, but she married George FORD, was born in Scrooby not Sheffield, and the age on this census is quite wrong. (From the 1861 census I discovered that the Mary A DANIELS had a daughter in 1855, so this Mary could not possibly be John and Adelina's sibling). So Mary A DANIELS was not John STRAFFORD's sister ANN JOHNSON. John and Adelina's mother was called Ann. But she disappeared (but I have been unable to find her death) between the birth of a son in 1810 and the marriage of John to Harriet MILNER in Scrooby in 1814. I suppose John and Ann STRAFFORD could have divorced(?) and Ann remarried. So what could be the connection between the DANIELS and Ann JOHNSON and John STRAFFORD? Regards Margaret

ok - if she was "Step Mother" to head of house then was she married to John DANIELS' father? Maybe she was married 3 times - 1st marriage to ? STRAFFORD 2nd marriage to ? DANIELS 3rd marriage to ? JOHNSON making her step mother of John DANIELS and making John STRAFFORD step brother to John DANIELS. hmmmm.... ~ Claire > To: WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com> From: meelliott@btinternet.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:04:46 +0100> Subject: [WRY] Help needed with relationships> > Please can someone with more genealogical experience than I help > interpret the following for me. Searching for relatives of Adelina > STRAFFORD I came across this entry from the 1851 census:> > ref: piece 2337 folio 477B> New George St 4> (Ecclesall Bierlow; Ecclesiastical District: St Mary's [Bramall Lane])> > John DANIELS Head Marr 32 spring knife cutler Sheffield> Mary A DANIELS Wife Marr 32 Sheffield> William DANIELS Son 10 scholar Sheffield> Emma DANIELS Dau 8 scholar Sheffield> Mary A DANIELS Dau 1 scholar [sic] Sheffield> Ann JOHNSON Step Mo Wid 70 household duties parish relf. Sheffield> John STRAFFORD Step Bro Widr 47 miller journeyman NTT Scrooby> > JOHN STRAFFORD is certainly Adelina's brother, and son of John and > Ann STRAFFORD. Age, birthplace and occupation are correct. John > and Adelina did in fact have a sibling Mary Ann born in 1800, but she > married George FORD, was born in Scrooby not Sheffield, and the age > on this census is quite wrong. (From the 1861 census I discovered > that the Mary A DANIELS had a daughter in 1855, so this Mary could > not possibly be John and Adelina's sibling). So Mary A DANIELS was > not John STRAFFORD's sister> > ANN JOHNSON. John and Adelina's mother was called Ann. But she > disappeared (but I have been unable to find her death) between the > birth of a son in 1810 and the marriage of John to Harriet MILNER in > Scrooby in 1814. I suppose John and Ann STRAFFORD could have > divorced(?) and Ann remarried.> > So what could be the connection between the DANIELS and Ann JOHNSON > and John STRAFFORD?> > Regards> Margaret> > > > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Try Live.com - your fast, personalised homepage with all the things you care about in one place. http://www.live.com/?mkt=en-gb

Hi Maggie, The registers of Snaith and all it's chapelries except Carlton are at Doncaster. Carlton (Carlton juxta Snaith) is on the north bank of the Aire, and its registers are in York at the Borthwick Institute. The IGI has George Malinson marrying Mary Bains at Hooke on 24 July 1804 swiftly followed on 14 October 1804 by the baptism of Jane Malinson, parents George and Mary, also at Hooke. I know that the dates aren't exactly, what you're looking for, but it might be a lead. Kushti bok is a Romany phrase (its spelling is fluid) which means good (kushti) luck (bok). Kushti bok, Chris Westmoreland > -----Original Message----- > From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of MaggieMole@aol.com > Sent: 13 August 2007 13:06 > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WRY] Hook near Howden > > > Thank you, Chris: yes, lots of interest here. I don't know why I've never > heard of Snaith, but I haven't before this. I assume I was correct in > thinking > the Hooke records will be in Beverley? > > Jane MALLINSON was born in Hooke around 1811, and her mother Mary > MALLINSON > also in Hooke anywhere between 1770 and 1780 - the censuses are not > consistent on her age. These should be married surnames, not birth names. > When I find > them in 1841, they are living together in Wakefield with four of Jane's > children, all also named MALLINSON and all born in Wakefield. In 1851 and > thereafter, Jane is referred to as Mary's daughter. This is quite strange: > there > should have been a "daughter-in-law" relationship under normal > circumstances. I > am trying to find out how all 3 female generations had the same surname. > One of > Jane's daughters, Selina, was my 4xgreatgrandmother. I'm waiting for > Selina's marriage record from the GRO to find out the first name of her > father, > then I can probably do a proper search on his name. > > I had another check of the IGI after Ann's information came through, but > the > closest Mallinson records I can find are from Sculcoates - which is Hull, > I > think? Genuki (for Snaith) says that the Hook chapelry records should > certainly be included in the IGI, but I don't see any Mallinsons at all > under a Hook > or Snaith heading - I listed 400 Mallinsons in Yorkshire, asking for all > events to try to cover every eventuality. So I'm a bit stuck for ideas at > the > moment. > > By the way .... Kushti Bok??? must mean something! > > Maggie > > >>Howdenshire is on the north bank of the Ouse in the historic East > riding > and > uses the shire suffix because it was an enclave of parishes surrounded by > the diocese of York that were under the jurisdiction of the Bishop of > Durham. His HQ in the shire was Howden Minster, which was built with more > of > an eye to making a statement than the population's ability to maintain > it. > These days half is still used as a church and the other half is a ruin. > > >>Hooke is on the south bank of the Ouse in the historic parish of Snaith > and > is in the historic West riding. Snaith was a largish parish that > straddled > the Aire, and also included Goole at its eastern end. All Yorkshire south > of > the Ouse from where the Wharfe joins it is in the historic West riding. > Hooke was one of a number of chapelries within Snaith parish which kept > their own records. The Hooke chapelry is dedicated to St. John. The > parish > church is the old Snaith priory church and is dedicated to St. Laurence. > > >>Goole was an insignificant settlement (mow known as Old Goole) on a > loop of > the Ouse. In the mid 17th century Cornelius Vermuyden set about draining > Hatfield Chase by diverting the northern arm of the Don from it's > confluence > with the Aire near Rawcliffe by cutting a new channel (the Dutch river) > for > it to the Ouse at Goole. By dint of it having a swifter flow, this > eventually caused the old Aire channel and the Don's southern channel to > the > Trent to silt up. In 1826, the Aire and Calder navigation opened its new > canal between Knottingly and Goole. Part of this project was to lay out a > new port to the north of the old Goole settlement. The new port > settlement > is what is now referred to as Goole, and its importance has eclipsed that > of > older settlements in the area such as Snaith and Howden. > > >>You don't mention what sort of date range you're interested in, but > hopefully the above contains something of use. > > >>Kushti bok, > > >>Chris Westmoreland > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.15/949 - Release Date: > 12/08/2007 11:03 > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.15/949 - Release Date: 12/08/2007 11:03

My family is from Hook. Christened/married/buried in the Hook cemetery at St. Mary the Virgin Church. We were just there in April (from the US) I have pictures of the church and cemetery if it would be of any interest. So, not only is there a St. John's but a St. Mary's too. St. Mary's also follows under Snaith. So you might want to consider St. Mary's along with St. John's. DeLories Robinson Vaughn

Hi Listers, I know this is not Yorkshire genealogy but I have tried to find one for Leicester and failed. Can anyone help, please. Sheila California

Howdenshire is on the north bank of the Ouse in the historic East riding and uses the shire suffix because it was an enclave of parishes surrounded by the diocese of York that were under the jurisdiction of the Bishop of Durham. His HQ in the shire was Howden Minster, which was built with more of an eye to making a statement than the population's ability to maintain it. These days half is still used as a church and the other half is a ruin. Hooke is on the south bank of the Ouse in the historic parish of Snaith and is in the historic West riding. Snaith was a largish parish that straddled the Aire, and also included Goole at its eastern end. All Yorkshire south of the Ouse from where the Wharfe joins it is in the historic West riding. Hooke was one of a number of chapelries within Snaith parish which kept their own records. The Hooke chapelry is dedicated to St. John. The parish church is the old Snaith priory church and is dedicated to St. Laurence. Goole was an insignificant settlement (mow known as Old Goole) on a loop of the Ouse. In the mid 17th century Cornelius Vermuyden set about draining Hatfield Chase by diverting the northern arm of the Don from it's confluence with the Aire near Rawcliffe by cutting a new channel (the Dutch river) for it to the Ouse at Goole. By dint of it having a swifter flow, this eventually caused the old Aire channel and the Don's southern channel to the Trent to silt up. In 1826, the Aire and Calder navigation opened its new canal between Knottingly and Goole. Part of this project was to lay out a new port to the north of the old Goole settlement. The new port settlement is what is now referred to as Goole, and its importance has eclipsed that of older settlements in the area such as Snaith and Howden. You don't mention what sort of date range you're interested in, but hopefully the above contains something of use. Kushti bok, Chris Westmoreland > -----Original Message----- > From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of MaggieMole@aol.com > Sent: 13 August 2007 08:50 > To: WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WRY] Hook near Howden > > Hi Listers, > > I normally confine my list questions to Halifax, but I have come across an > exception. I have two MALLINSON ladies, mother and daughter, living in > Wakefield who report in the censuses that they were born in Hooke near > Howden, (now > spelled Hook) which I have found near Goole. I thought Goole was East > Riding > but find curiously that until 1974 it was in the West Riding, and that > following further reorganisation, the records for that area are now kept > in > Beverley. Howdenshire seems to have been the name of a wapentake, but it > was pretty > small. > > My question is, does anyone know what the parish church in Hook would have > been? Genuki is useful about Howden but has next to nothing on Hook. And > from > what dates I might expect to find births and marriages recorded there? > > many thanks > Maggie Berry > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.15/949 - Release Date: 12/08/2007 11:03

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List, My g-grandfather Frederic Henry EVANS certificates state that he was born in Haworth, however have not yet found any proof of this. He turns up in 1880, in Sydney Australia with the birth of a daughter, Mary Isobel EVANS, to his 'wife' Charlotte Kaye KAY from Pannal. As yet have not found what ship they arrived upon or when. I presume they sailed from Liverpool, either in 1879 or early 1880. Does anybody know if it is possible to access the departing passengers from this port during the stated time period? Regards, Rod Evans NZ

Hook falls into the parish of Snaith, wapentake is Osgoldcross,the church I believe is St Johns and Snaith is in the deanary of Pontefract would think Genuki will have it under Snaith couldnt check this morning was having site loading problems ! Ann ----- Original Message ---- From: "MaggieMole@aol.com" <MaggieMole@aol.com> To: WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 13 August, 2007 8:50:07 AM Subject: [WRY] Hook near Howden Hi Listers, I normally confine my list questions to Halifax, but I have come across an exception. I have two MALLINSON ladies, mother and daughter, living in Wakefield who report in the censuses that they were born in Hooke near Howden, (now spelled Hook) which I have found near Goole. I thought Goole was East Riding but find curiously that until 1974 it was in the West Riding, and that following further reorganisation, the records for that area are now kept in Beverley. Howdenshire seems to have been the name of a wapentake, but it was pretty small. My question is, does anyone know what the parish church in Hook would have been? Genuki is useful about Howden but has next to nothing on Hook. And from what dates I might expect to find births and marriages recorded there? many thanks Maggie Berry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, Chris: yes, lots of interest here. I don't know why I've never heard of Snaith, but I haven't before this. I assume I was correct in thinking the Hooke records will be in Beverley? Jane MALLINSON was born in Hooke around 1811, and her mother Mary MALLINSON also in Hooke anywhere between 1770 and 1780 - the censuses are not consistent on her age. These should be married surnames, not birth names. When I find them in 1841, they are living together in Wakefield with four of Jane's children, all also named MALLINSON and all born in Wakefield. In 1851 and thereafter, Jane is referred to as Mary's daughter. This is quite strange: there should have been a "daughter-in-law" relationship under normal circumstances. I am trying to find out how all 3 female generations had the same surname. One of Jane's daughters, Selina, was my 4xgreatgrandmother. I'm waiting for Selina's marriage record from the GRO to find out the first name of her father, then I can probably do a proper search on his name. I had another check of the IGI after Ann's information came through, but the closest Mallinson records I can find are from Sculcoates - which is Hull, I think? Genuki (for Snaith) says that the Hook chapelry records should certainly be included in the IGI, but I don't see any Mallinsons at all under a Hook or Snaith heading - I listed 400 Mallinsons in Yorkshire, asking for all events to try to cover every eventuality. So I'm a bit stuck for ideas at the moment. By the way .... Kushti Bok??? must mean something! Maggie >>Howdenshire is on the north bank of the Ouse in the historic East riding and uses the shire suffix because it was an enclave of parishes surrounded by the diocese of York that were under the jurisdiction of the Bishop of Durham. His HQ in the shire was Howden Minster, which was built with more of an eye to making a statement than the population's ability to maintain it. These days half is still used as a church and the other half is a ruin. >>Hooke is on the south bank of the Ouse in the historic parish of Snaith and is in the historic West riding. Snaith was a largish parish that straddled the Aire, and also included Goole at its eastern end. All Yorkshire south of the Ouse from where the Wharfe joins it is in the historic West riding. Hooke was one of a number of chapelries within Snaith parish which kept their own records. The Hooke chapelry is dedicated to St. John. The parish church is the old Snaith priory church and is dedicated to St. Laurence. >>Goole was an insignificant settlement (mow known as Old Goole) on a loop of the Ouse. In the mid 17th century Cornelius Vermuyden set about draining Hatfield Chase by diverting the northern arm of the Don from it's confluence with the Aire near Rawcliffe by cutting a new channel (the Dutch river) for it to the Ouse at Goole. By dint of it having a swifter flow, this eventually caused the old Aire channel and the Don's southern channel to the Trent to silt up. In 1826, the Aire and Calder navigation opened its new canal between Knottingly and Goole. Part of this project was to lay out a new port to the north of the old Goole settlement. The new port settlement is what is now referred to as Goole, and its importance has eclipsed that of older settlements in the area such as Snaith and Howden. >>You don't mention what sort of date range you're interested in, but hopefully the above contains something of use. >>Kushti bok, >>Chris Westmoreland

Thank you, Ann! Hook falls into the parish of Snaith, wapentake is Osgoldcross,the church I believe is St Johns and Snaith is in the deanary of Pontefract would think Genuki will have it under Snaith couldnt check this morning was having site loading problems ! Ann Yes, Genuki does have it under Snaith, and I'm grateful for the information: as Hook is so much closer to Howden, that's where I'd looked. My knowledge of East Yorkshire is skimpy to say the least. I will keep trying the IGI now I see the dates they cover, but it may yet mean a trip to Beverley. Maggie

Hi Listers, I normally confine my list questions to Halifax, but I have come across an exception. I have two MALLINSON ladies, mother and daughter, living in Wakefield who report in the censuses that they were born in Hooke near Howden, (now spelled Hook) which I have found near Goole. I thought Goole was East Riding but find curiously that until 1974 it was in the West Riding, and that following further reorganisation, the records for that area are now kept in Beverley. Howdenshire seems to have been the name of a wapentake, but it was pretty small. My question is, does anyone know what the parish church in Hook would have been? Genuki is useful about Howden but has next to nothing on Hook. And from what dates I might expect to find births and marriages recorded there? many thanks Maggie Berry

In a message dated 11/08/2007 21:14:25 GMT Standard Time, mjbaker@webace.com.au writes: Genealogical interest in West Ridings and the "marriage" connection to East Riding dynasties. Also interest in Whitton family resident in the Easting Ridings. mjbaker@webace.com.au 10/8/07 My husband's family (SYKES) come from Slaithwaite near Huddersfield if that is of any interest, The earliest members I have found are Edmund, born about 1757 and his son Thomas, born about 1798. Regards Eileen Sykes