Using the IGI, there seem to be some good possibilities not too far away. There are Richard Straffords in Thorne and a 1766 bapt of a Richard to a Joshua in Wentworth. So it seems that the names may be common to the family and the area. Bev ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Hi, See the name PICKLES. My grandfathers second wife was a PICKLES. Elizabeth Pickles was born in Lancashire, in 1886. She is the daughter of Henry and Elizabeth nee VARLOWE. Any connection? Richard Washington Mass ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANNE WIGGLESWORTH" <anne.wigglesworth@btinternet.com> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] MY SURNAMES > Hi Joyce, > I think that we have spoken before quite a while since but > cannot remember the names we were researching then, my name is Anne > Wigglesworth nee Pickles, so we have both Shackleton and Wigglesworth and > also Wilman names in common. > I have done rather a lot of research on the Wigglesworth name and am a > member of the Wigglesworth one name group, but my Wigglesworth's do not > come from the Keighley area but I have a conection with Jeff Wright in the > states he is related to me on both my mothers side and then also we found > a Conection on my Pickles Family, but earlier this year Jeff wrote and he > had found a Wigglesworth in his tree from Haworth/Keighley which was a > Phoebe Pickles who married a Wigglesworth and had a son called Pickles > Wigglesworth is that anything to do with your Wigglesworths I hope so as I > have done quite a bit of research on the family. > But if it isn't let me know who they are as we have a lot of info about > the various families. > > > > > Regards Anne Wigglesworth > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

A few thoughts: 1 Possibly Richard was not baptised 2 Possibly his parents did not attend church in any of those three parishes - there are a lot of other parishes in the triangle outlined by those three places 3 Have you checked non-Conformist churches? 4 You talk about /birth/ records but mostly pre-1837, these are baptism records and a person can be any age when they are baptised. If there are not many STRAFFORDs in that area, it is, of course, quite likely that Richard and Joshua are related - brothers or cousins - and Richard could well be the father of your John. BUT I think you would need some incredible evidence (far more than you have at present) to turn them into the same person. Just my thoughts - of little actual positive help, I am sorry. I guess what it comes down to, is more research. Chris researching R.O.D.G.E.R.S in Wath upon Dearne and H.O.D.G.S.O.N and H.A.Y.G.A.R.T.H in Dent area On 21/08/07, Margaret Elliott <meelliott@btinternet.com> wrote: > I need advice about my STRAFFORD family. Please let me know what > you think. These are the facts I have: > > John STRAFFORD married Ann CROSSLEY in Wath upon Dearne 7/3/1799. > John of the parish of Scrooby, Notts, Ann otp > They had children in Scooby between 1800 and 1810 when Ann > 'disappears'. The children are Mary Ann, Elizah, John, Adelina, > Henery and Josua. The only other STRAFFORD births I have found in > Scrooby are those of John and his second wife. > > Joshua STRAFFORD dies in Scrooby 30/10/1817 age 75 > Elizabeth STRAFFORD dies in Scrooby 15/4/1823 age 76 > The only other STRAFFORD death in Scrooby is a daughter of John by > his second wife, and there are no STRAFFORDS in Scrooby in 1841 > > A Joshua STRAFFORD married Elizabeth WHITE in Wath upon Dearne > 27/12/1773 > > STRAFFORD births in Wath upon Dearne: > 15/10/1777 John STRAFFORD. Father Richard > 30/6/1776 Ann STRAFFORD. Father Richard > 22/10/1780 Sarah STRAFFORD. Father Joshua, mother Elizabeth > > I can find no trace (birth, marriage or death) whatsover of a Richard > STRAFFORD either in Scrooby, Wath upon Dearne or Consiborough > > Are Richard and Joshua STRAFFORD the same person? > > I'm sorry this is so long - but I've been puzzling over it for a long > time! > > Regards, and thanks for any observations you might have > > Margaret > Switzerland

Hi, Just a thought - a second wife doesn't necessarily mean the death of a first wife. Maybe she uped and left for pastures greener. Bigamy would not be a new thing! However Scrooby is just a small place and maybe the neighbours would talk about a bigamous marriage. Did you actually find a marriage for John and his second wife. Have a look for a death for Ann in the early BMD years. What about a death for John - if its a cert who notified the death? Have you looked for any Strafford/Crossley combinations on the 1841, not just Scrobby or Wath. Try the surrounding areas, try different spellings, try looking on the census on Ancestry, you can search it by first name only with birth year etc - I've done searches this way and found elusive ancestors with very strang spellings. Regards Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Elliott" <meelliott@btinternet.com> To: <WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 10:15 AM Subject: [WRY] Opinions needed please >I need advice about my STRAFFORD family. Please let me know what > you think. These are the facts I have: > > John STRAFFORD married Ann CROSSLEY in Wath upon Dearne 7/3/1799. > John of the parish of Scrooby, Notts, Ann otp > They had children in Scooby between 1800 and 1810 when Ann > 'disappears'. The children are Mary Ann, Elizah, John, Adelina, > Henery and Josua. The only other STRAFFORD births I have found in > Scrooby are those of John and his second wife. > > Joshua STRAFFORD dies in Scrooby 30/10/1817 age 75 > Elizabeth STRAFFORD dies in Scrooby 15/4/1823 age 76 > The only other STRAFFORD death in Scrooby is a daughter of John by > his second wife, and there are no STRAFFORDS in Scrooby in 1841 > > A Joshua STRAFFORD married Elizabeth WHITE in Wath upon Dearne > 27/12/1773 > > STRAFFORD births in Wath upon Dearne: > 15/10/1777 John STRAFFORD. Father Richard > 30/6/1776 Ann STRAFFORD. Father Richard > 22/10/1780 Sarah STRAFFORD. Father Joshua, mother Elizabeth > > I can find no trace (birth, marriage or death) whatsover of a Richard > STRAFFORD either in Scrooby, Wath upon Dearne or Consiborough > > Are Richard and Joshua STRAFFORD the same person? > > I'm sorry this is so long - but I've been puzzling over it for a long > time! > > Regards, and thanks for any observations you might have > > Margaret > Switzerland > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.2/966 - Release Date: 22/08/2007 > 09:05 > >

Hi Margaret Yes - quite a puzzle! Possibly Richard and Joshua were brothers or cousins? Have you got details of John Stratford & Ann Crossley marriage in 1799, as seemingly Richard would be the father - recorded on IGI or parish registers I don't think the other family information helps. The only other check I can think of is the possible marriage of Ann Stratford c 1800 in the areas - assuming she did marry! ie no early death or spinster...again father's name maybe there. Hope this helps Richard -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Margaret Elliott Sent: 21 August 2007 10:16 To: WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com Subject: [WRY] Opinions needed please I need advice about my STRAFFORD family. Please let me know what you think. These are the facts I have: John STRAFFORD married Ann CROSSLEY in Wath upon Dearne 7/3/1799. John of the parish of Scrooby, Notts, Ann otp They had children in Scooby between 1800 and 1810 when Ann 'disappears'. The children are Mary Ann, Elizah, John, Adelina, Henery and Josua. The only other STRAFFORD births I have found in Scrooby are those of John and his second wife. Joshua STRAFFORD dies in Scrooby 30/10/1817 age 75 Elizabeth STRAFFORD dies in Scrooby 15/4/1823 age 76 The only other STRAFFORD death in Scrooby is a daughter of John by his second wife, and there are no STRAFFORDS in Scrooby in 1841 A Joshua STRAFFORD married Elizabeth WHITE in Wath upon Dearne 27/12/1773 STRAFFORD births in Wath upon Dearne: 15/10/1777 John STRAFFORD. Father Richard 30/6/1776 Ann STRAFFORD. Father Richard 22/10/1780 Sarah STRAFFORD. Father Joshua, mother Elizabeth I can find no trace (birth, marriage or death) whatsover of a Richard STRAFFORD either in Scrooby, Wath upon Dearne or Consiborough Are Richard and Joshua STRAFFORD the same person? I'm sorry this is so long - but I've been puzzling over it for a long time! Regards, and thanks for any observations you might have Margaret Switzerland ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Apologies if this is a repeat e-mail, but it has not appeared in my in-box after eight hours, and I'm really stuck and need advice! Also I've realised that I made a mistake placing the marriage of Joshua and Elizabeth, and the birth of John Ann and Sarah in Wath upon Dearne instead of Conisborough. I've been over and over the facts so many times it is all beginning to blur... I need advice about my STRAFFORD family. Please let me know what you think. These are the facts I have: John STRAFFORD married Ann CROSSLEY in Wath upon Dearne 7/3/1799. John of the parish of Scrooby, Notts, Ann otp They had children in Scooby between 1800 and 1810 when Ann 'disappears'. The children are Mary Ann, Elizah, John, Adelina, Henery and Josua. The only other STRAFFORD births I have found in Scrooby are those of children of John and his second wife. A Joshua STRAFFORD dies in Scrooby 30/10/1817 age 75 An Elizabeth STRAFFORD dies in Scrooby 15/4/1823 age 76 The only other STRAFFORD death in Scrooby is a daughter of John by his second wife, and there are no STRAFFORDS in Scrooby in 1841 A Joshua STRAFFORD married Elizabeth WHITE in Conisborough 27/12/1773 STRAFFORD births in Conisborough: 15/10/1777 John STRAFFORD. Father Richard 30/6/1776 Ann STRAFFORD. Father Richard 22/10/1780 Sarah STRAFFORD. Father Joshua, mother Elizabeth I can find no trace (birth, marriage or death) whatsover of a Richard STRAFFORD either in Scrooby, Wath upon Dearne or Consiborough Are Richard and Joshua STRAFFORD the same person? I'm sorry this is so long - but I've been puzzling over it for a long time! Regards, and thanks for any observations you might have Margaret Switzerland

I need advice about my STRAFFORD family. Please let me know what you think. These are the facts I have: John STRAFFORD married Ann CROSSLEY in Wath upon Dearne 7/3/1799. John of the parish of Scrooby, Notts, Ann otp They had children in Scooby between 1800 and 1810 when Ann 'disappears'. The children are Mary Ann, Elizah, John, Adelina, Henery and Josua. The only other STRAFFORD births I have found in Scrooby are those of John and his second wife. Joshua STRAFFORD dies in Scrooby 30/10/1817 age 75 Elizabeth STRAFFORD dies in Scrooby 15/4/1823 age 76 The only other STRAFFORD death in Scrooby is a daughter of John by his second wife, and there are no STRAFFORDS in Scrooby in 1841 A Joshua STRAFFORD married Elizabeth WHITE in Wath upon Dearne 27/12/1773 STRAFFORD births in Wath upon Dearne: 15/10/1777 John STRAFFORD. Father Richard 30/6/1776 Ann STRAFFORD. Father Richard 22/10/1780 Sarah STRAFFORD. Father Joshua, mother Elizabeth I can find no trace (birth, marriage or death) whatsover of a Richard STRAFFORD either in Scrooby, Wath upon Dearne or Consiborough Are Richard and Joshua STRAFFORD the same person? I'm sorry this is so long - but I've been puzzling over it for a long time! Regards, and thanks for any observations you might have Margaret Switzerland

Thankyou to everyone who kindly replied to my request for census info. I have now got all the relevent details I require and have thanked everyone off list. Regards Mark _________________________________________________________________ The next generation of Hotmail is here! http://www.newhotmail.co.uk

I've been away and just returned to find this post I've had four children [3 siblings and 1 step-sibling] taken from Liverpool to Canada I have had a detailed report from Dr Barnados in Ipswich. There is a lady whose job is to hold all the records for such children Her email is valerie.smith@barnardos.org.uk She will send you a form and will then reply Philip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Mccallum" <gordon.mccallum2@ntlworld.com> To: <WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 10:11 AM Subject: [WRY] Dr Banardo's/Hunslet children > I've got three missing children between 1891 and 1901 all born in Hunslet, > Leeds, Albert Fryer born 1885, William Fryer born 1888 and Joseph Fryer > born 1882. I've have been informed that two of them were sent to Canada > from a Dr Banardo's home and the other child remains a mystery.In 1891 > their father Joseph was a widow and all his children were living with him > but in 1901 the remaining children were living with the eldest brother and > a daughter aged 10 was living in an orphan house in Bristol. > My query is how can I find which Dr Banardo's home they were sent to and > when were they sent to Canada. Can anyone please point me in the right > direction > Ann > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.1/962 - Release Date: 20/08/2007 > 13:08 > >

Hi all, I am back again after a break, I am researching the Ellis family of Oulton and Woodlesford, mainly the descendents of James Ellis and Mary Hughes. Two of their children were Herbert born 1882 and John William born 1877 in Oulton. I have not been able to find out who they married and what children they had, I think they both married after the 1st w/war but could be wrong. Hope someone might be able to help with that Thanks, Peter of West Aus.

From: "mark dent" <mark_r_dent@hotmail.com> > I am looking for help checking the 1841 census onwards for William > Armstrong born in Sedburgh in about 1833. I have him on the 1881 > census aged 47 living at Cottingley Bar near Bingley.Thankyou> In 1841 the only William Armstrong who would seem to fit is living At Back Yard, Main Street, Sedburgh, with family, ref HO107 Piece 1322, Folio 29, pages 33 & 34. Household comprised..... William Armstrong, 47, cotton mill, not born in Yorkshire June or Jane, 41, born Yorkshire Joseph 14, Elizabeth 11, William 7 and John 5, all born in Yorkshire. Though relationships are not given in 1841, it's probably fairly safe to assume that William and June (Jane) were husband and wife and the others were their children. Having got you started, I will leave it to others to fill in 1851, 61 and 71, since I really haven't the time to do the lot! You could, of course, find them for yourself with an Ancestry subscription or Findmypast (though Findmypast haven't yet got 1851 and only limited 1871). -- Roy Stockdill Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

mark_r_dent@hotmail.com wrote snip<> I am looking for help checking the 1841 census onwards for William Armstrong > born in Sedburgh in about 1833. Hi I think this is him 1841-1871 If you want the images let me know Christine 1871 England Census about William Armstrong Name: William Armstrong Age: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Julia Gender: Male Where born: Sedbergh, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Bingley Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: Cottingley County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Keighley Sub-registration district: Bingley ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 13 Household Members: Name Age John Willm Armstrong 6 months Joseph Armstrong 2 Julia Armstrong 32 Liverpool, Lancashire, England William Armstrong 37 His Daughter who was with him in 1881 1871 England Census about Elizabeth Armstrong Name: Elizabeth Armstrong Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866 Relation: Niece Gender: Female Where born: Bingley, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Bingley Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: Cottingley County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Keighley Sub-registration district: Bingley ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 52 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Armstrong 40 Elizabeth Armstrong 5 Joseph Armstrong 43 born Sedburgh 1861 England Census about William Armstrong Name: William Armstrong Age: 27 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834 Relation: Son Father's Name: William Mother's Name: Jane Gender: Male Where born: Sedbergh, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Bingley County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Keighley Sub-registration district: Bingley ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 23 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Armstrong 31 Jane Armstrong 63 Leeds, Yorkshire, England John Armstrong 25 Joseph Armstrong 33 William Armstrong 66 Kirkby Le Dale, Westmorland, wonder if this is kirkby lonsdale William Armstrong 27 1851 England Census about William Armstrong Name: William Armstrong Age: 17 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834 Relation: Son Father's Name: William Mother's Name: Jane Gender: Male Where born: Sedbergh, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Bingley County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Keighley Sub-registration district: Bingley ED, institution, or vessel: 1m Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 70 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Armstrong 21 Jane Armstrong 55 John Armstrong 15 Joseph Armstrong 23 William Armstrong 56 William Armstrong 17 1841 England Census about Wm Armstrong Name: Wm Armstrong Age: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834 Gender: Male Where born: Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Sedbergh Hundred: Staincliff and Ewcross (West Division) County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Sedbergh Sub-registration district: Sedbergh Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Armstrong 11 Jane Armstrong 41 John Armstrong 5 Joseph Armstrong 14 William Armstrong 47 Wm Armstrong 7

The only one I can find is living in Manfield (Marefield?) Darlington where he was born. The household consists of: Elizabeth Armstrong 28 schoolmistress William Armstrong 8 Thomas Armstrong 6 months Nearby were: John Armstrong 80 shoemaker Catherine Armstrong 70 William Armstrong 23 ag lab Robert Armstrong 20 ag lab In 1851 William Armstrong was a servant, an ag lab on a farm in the area. Birthplace given as Marefield (Manfield?) Hope this helps Margaret Switzerland On 19 Aug 2007, at 16:45, mark dent wrote: Hello, I am looking for help checking the 1841 census onwards for William Armstrong born in Sedburgh in about 1833. I have him on the 1881 census aged 47 living at Cottingley Bar near Bingley.Thankyou _________________________________________________________________ The next generation of Hotmail is here! http://www.newhotmail.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I am looking for help checking the 1841 census onwards for William Armstrong born in Sedburgh in about 1833. I have him on the 1881 census aged 47 living at Cottingley Bar near Bingley.Thankyou _________________________________________________________________ The next generation of Hotmail is here! http://www.newhotmail.co.uk

Greetings Thanks Roy for the correct pronunciation, I have a cordwainer in my family, my ggg grandfather George MIDGLEY,. I knew what he did but pronounced the word as it is written. Howard Newcastle Aust Roy wrote Could I suggest that newcomers to family history really ought to know, or find out, what a cordwainer was, since it is a term you will come across very frequently and just about everybody will have one in their ancestry? Pronounced "cordner", a cordwainer was a worker or trader in leather goods. The name derives from Cordova (Cordoba), the Spanish town famous for its fine leather. Generally speaking, in everyday terms a cordwainer was a shoemaker, bootmaker or cobbler. You will run across the term umpteen times in parish registers, etc.

>From Howard Benson, > Thanks Roy for the correct pronunciation, I have a cordwainer in my > family, my ggg grandfather George MIDGLEY,. I knew what he did but > pronounced the word as it is written. > > Howard > Newcastle Aust> To be honest, Howard, so did I until I looked up the word in what I regard as the bible of genealogy - "The Dictionary of Genealogy: A guide to British ancestry research" by Terrick V H Fitzhugh. He says that it is pronounced "cordner". Being one of those words that are now virtually obsolete, I suppose you would have had to be around in the 19th century to hear someone say it. I suppose it's a bit like the name Mainwaring (as in Capt Mainwaring in Dad's Army), pronounced Mannering. Or Featherstonehaugh, pronounced Fanshaw. -- Roy Stockdill Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

WARD Emma born 11 Apr 1857 bapt 31 May 1857 dau of Jeremiah, collier & Ann of Pilling, Yks THORPE Elizabeth born 28 Jun 1857 bapt 2 Aug 1857 dau of William, printer & Sarah of Upper Mill, Saddleworth CADMAN Eliza Ann born 8 Feb 1862 bapt 31 May 1863 dau of James, collier & Eliza of Barnsley, Yks ABBOTT William born 7 Jun 1869 bapt 25 Dec 1869 son of George, lab. & Maria of Mixenden, Yks Marjorie Ward Derbyshire, UK Hollingworth ONS www.hollingworths.net Sources for Disley; Lyme Handley; Taxal & Whaley www.disley.net Sources for NWDby incl. Chapel; Charlesworth; Chinley; Fernilee; Glossop; Hayfield; Hope Valley; Mellor & New Mills http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dusk

Many, many thanks to Elaine and Mel Smith who so promptly replied to my message and gave me so much information all I need now is verification that Joseph Fryer went to Canada with his brother in 1894 With thanks Ann I've got three missing children between 1891 and 1901 all born in Hunslet, > Leeds, Albert Fryer born 1885, William Fryer born 1888 and Joseph Fryer > born 1882. I've have been informed that two of them were sent to Canada > from a Dr Banardo's home and the other child remains a mystery.In 1891 > their father Joseph was a widow and all his children were living with him > but in 1901 the remaining children were living with the eldest brother and > a daughter aged 10 was living in an orphan house in Bristol. > My query is how can I find which Dr Banardo's home they were sent to and > when were they sent to Canada. Can anyone please point me in the right > direction > Ann >

Dr Benardo's Home in Manitoba Canada http://www.russellmb.com/history/hist1.htm http://canadianhistory.suite101.com/article.cfm/canadas_home_children Automated Genealogy http://automatedgenealogy.com/ Hope this helps you with your quest, Mary from Surrey BC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Mccallum" > My query is how can I find which Dr Banardo's home they were sent to and > when were they sent to Canada. Can anyone please point me in the right > direction > Ann

I've got three missing children between 1891 and 1901 all born in Hunslet, Leeds, Albert Fryer born 1885, William Fryer born 1888 and Joseph Fryer born 1882. I've have been informed that two of them were sent to Canada from a Dr Banardo's home and the other child remains a mystery.In 1891 their father Joseph was a widow and all his children were living with him but in 1901 the remaining children were living with the eldest brother and a daughter aged 10 was living in an orphan house in Bristol. My query is how can I find which Dr Banardo's home they were sent to and when were they sent to Canada. Can anyone please point me in the right direction Ann