From: "Judith Kettlewell" <judith.kettlewell@btinternet.com> > Could someone please see if they can open the following image for me > on Ancestry please? > > Albert Bramfitt > > RG13 Piece No 4149: Folio 186: Page 17: > > I have been trying for 2 days to open this page and each time I get > this message:- > > Error Processing Image Request > > I can open all other pages which I click on including those which come > up on the same search results page. > > I can also view the record which gives the names of those on the same > schedule. > > Any help would be much appreciated.> Judith I have the whole of the 1901 census for Yorkshire on CD-ROMS from S&N, so I can do a screen grab of that page for you and send it as a PDF, if you don't manage to solve the problem. -- Roy Stockdill Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE
Hi Listers Could someone please see if they can open the following image for me on Ancestry please? Albert Bramfitt RG13 Piece No 4149: Folio 186: Page 17: I have been trying for 2 days to open this page and each time I get this message:- Error Processing Image Request I can open all other pages which I click on including those which come up on the same search results page. I can also view the record which gives the names of those on the same schedule. Any help would be much appreciated. Kind regards Judith K
You know I unsubbed years ago now from the YorkGen because of all the ''flack & nattering'' that mailing list caused and joined specific area lists eg West Riding ......... but now I see the same problems are causing 'rage' on this list. Do we need repeats of soooooo many anwers to the same question or is it time to unsubscribe from this list too?? Too Bad - Lost in Canada
Hello Carol, I haven't come across the name Yvonne in my research,however if you need any help tracing her ancestors just send me some more detail about her and I will gladly try and help you. If you want to email me off list that is fine. Kind regards, Judi ----- Original Message ---- From: Carol Groves <bluebell64@optusnet.com.au> To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 27 August, 2007 3:36:31 AM Subject: Re: [WRY] SURNAME INTERESTS Hi DO YOU HAVE A YVONNE BEAUMONT,CAME TO AUSTRALIA IN 1950 AS ACHILD, CAROL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith Jones" <wiseowljj@yahoo.co.uk> To: <WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 4:08 AM Subject: [WRY] SURNAME INTERESTS > Dear Listers, > I am researching the following names; > BEAUMONT (earliest i have is JOSEPH born circa 1801) son of JOSEPH > BEAUMONT and wife ANN ? who was baptized 19 Dec 1801 at the Cathedral of > St.Peter, Sheffield. > > WOODCOCK (earliest i have is HARRIET born 1804) daughter of JOSEPH > WOODCOCK and his wife MARY formerly BELLAMY. > HARRIET was born in THURLSTONE. > > JOSEPH married HARRIET in 1825. > I am wondering if anyone on this list has any BELLAMY or WOODCOCK mainly > as I have lots of information about JOSEPH and HARRIET and their children > etc. > Kind regards, > Judi Jones (nee Beaumont) > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good > http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/
Dear Listers, I am researching the following names; BEAUMONT (earliest i have is JOSEPH born circa 1801) son of JOSEPH BEAUMONT and wife ANN ? who was baptized 19 Dec 1801 at the Cathedral of St.Peter, Sheffield. WOODCOCK (earliest i have is HARRIET born 1804) daughter of JOSEPH WOODCOCK and his wife MARY formerly BELLAMY. HARRIET was born in THURLSTONE. JOSEPH married HARRIET in 1825. I am wondering if anyone on this list has any BELLAMY or WOODCOCK mainly as I have lots of information about JOSEPH and HARRIET and their children etc. Kind regards, Judi Jones (nee Beaumont) ___________________________________________________________ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html
From: "Brenda" <ellis-b@sky.com> > Hello > We all know what Marjorie means, so does it matter? > Margaret> Actually, yes, it does, at least if you aspire to be a serious family historian, which I trust everyone taking up the subject is aiming for. If people cannot get the terminology correct, then they are going to make mistakes in storing their records. Sloppiness in minor detail may well lead to sloppiness in major detail eventually. Would you sanction the spelling of Yorkshire as YORKSHARE or YORKSHERE? Of course, you wouldn't, so let's get it right and call it a Register Office, not Registry. -- Roy Stockdill Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE
Hello We all know what Marjorie means, so does it matter? Margaret
Don't beat a dead horse. Let it go.
From: "Marjorie Hennessey" <marjorie@gmavt.net> > I recently received a copy of my gr-grandparent's marriage certificate > from the Leeds Registry Office.< As I have already pointed out, the correct term is Leeds REGISTER Office and it's the General REGISTER office. The word, registry, is a misnomer widely used by members of the public and even some councils but it's WRONG! I would expect family historians at least to get it right. -- Roy Stockdill Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE
Roy, You are correct in that the term register office is 'traditional' for the application your mention. BUT note also the following: "The 1836/7 acts of Parliament allowed for a civil marriage ceremony before a local registrar in a civil registry office" (Herber Mark D.; Ancestral Trails) However, the word 'Registry' is 'the place where the registers are kept' [OED] i.e register office. Thus a registry = register office. 'Registry' is often found in the legal world and under the administration of the court registrar. The abbreviation RO can also mean record(s) office . This email is meant to provide a broader perspective on the topic. I don not intend to enter a dialogue with you. Bryan Slim Canada >From: "Marjorie Hennessey" <marjorie@gmavt.net> > >> I recently received a copy of my gr-grandparent's marriage certificate >> from the Leeds Registry Office.< > >As I have already pointed out, the correct term is Leeds REGISTER >Office and it's the General REGISTER office. > >The word, registry, is a misnomer widely used by members of the public >and even some councils but it's WRONG! I would expect family >historians at least to get it right. > >-- >Roy Stockdill >Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies >Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org >Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: >www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > >"There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, >and that is not being talked about." >OSCAR WILDE > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with >the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >subject and the body of the message
Carol, I recently received a copy of my gr-grandparent's marriage certificate from the Leeds Registry Office. I live in the U.S. and mailed the form to them. I received the certificate in just under three weeks. I already had a copy from the GRO and the main reason I wanted the one from the local office was to compare my gr-grandfather's signature with the signature on naturalization papers I had sent for to see if they matched and thereby verify I had the correct papers (they matched!). Marjorie in VT USA marjorie@gmavt.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Ann Pelletier" <carpel@nb.sympatico.ca> To: <WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 11:43 PM Subject: [WRY] Local REgistry Office vs General Registry Office > This may have been discussed before but does anyone know if there are advantages or disadvantages to request a birth certificate from the local Registry Office > vs the General Registry Office. > > I have found my grandfather's birth record as well as marriage record in the Yorkshire area so they would be available through the Leeds Registry > but I am wondering if someone could comment on this. > > Thank you kindly. > > Carol Ann Rigg (Canada) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Thanks Jackie Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: JLCETNAR@aol.com<mailto:JLCETNAR@aol.com> To: west-riding@rootsweb.com<mailto:west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] IGI You can search the IGI records at familysearch.org. From there click on the icon Search. Then click on the IGI ( International Genealogical Index) records. Happy Hunting. Jackie ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour<http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
You can search the IGI records at familysearch.org. From there click on the icon Search. Then click on the IGI ( International Genealogical Index) records. Happy Hunting. Jackie ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
I noticed a reference to the IGI. How would I be able to access this? TIA Jim
Hello Judith I do assure you that this is what happened in our case, re the marriage certificate. We were married in 1964 at a village church in Leicestershire. We all signed the Parish Register which is kept in the church. Then we were then given a copy to keep, this had already been written out with our names on the signature line, but not the witnesses names. My Dad & best man, as the two witnesses, both signed this. I have looked again at the certificate to make sure. All the writing except for Dad's & the Best Man, is the same. I presume that when the Parish Register was filled up, the church would then pass this on to the Record Office for Leicestershire. I've never tried to get a copy. Regards Brenda
Would appreciate any new of the Hardaker and Ferris families. l943 onwards.Constance Hardaker married John Ferris l943. avid P Ferris l946. Any relations. I have traced the Hardaker family(Bradford) back but am interested in more recent times. I live in Australia and it is quite difficult to obtain info. Thank you. Jean Sutcliffe
Hi Gail, Your friend must have the original certificate. I have my granny's original certificate, which has a stamp on the corner. Jill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Collins" <gcollins@becon.org> To: "West" <WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 3:06 AM Subject: [WRY] Certificates >I thought that a true copy had some sort of stamp or seal on the >certificate? > > A friend in England sent me a jpg of one and it had a stamp at the very > bottom right corner. > > Clarification! thanks > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.4/969 - Release Date: 23/08/2007 > 16:04 > >
A photocopy of the original marriage certificate is what you get from the local register office. The certificate you get from the GRO is a copy of a copy. If you notice, the copy from the GRO is all in the same writing, signatures and all. The photocopy from the local register office has signatures in different writing unless there is a X. Kind regards Judith K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur & Pauline Kennedy" <akpak@waitrose.com> To: <WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] Local REgistry Office vs General Registry Office > Just to clarify on this: > > Since 1837 churches have had to keep two copies of each marriage register. > At the beginning of January, April, July and October the minister has to > send a return to the local superintendent registrar of all marriages in > the > preceding quarter. The return may in practice be completed by a parish > clerk, but it has to be signed by the minister. The layout of the form is > more or less identical to that of the marriage register. > > The superintendent registrar collates the forms from his/her district and > sends them to the General Register Office. Copies of these returns might > be > kept at the register office (I don't know), but even if they are, they > can't > be used to produce certificates: a certificate produced by anyone other > than > the GRO can relate only to an entry in a register. > > (Have you ever noticed - GRO certificates are "Certified to be a true copy > of an entry in the certified copy of a register of Marriages in the > Registration District of ....", whereas those from a local registrar or a > minister are "Certified to be a true copy of an entry in a register in my > custody".) > > Since a superintendent registrar cannot issue a certificate relating to an > entry in a register which he does not have, as long as the marriage > registers are still in use certificates can be obtained from the minister > of > the church concerned. However, since they don't have the right equipment, > ministers would not be able to provide a certificate showing an original > signature. > > When church marriage registers are full, one copy has to be deposited with > the superintendent registrar and the other one remains the responsibility > of > the minister and local church. It is recommended, and usually happens, > that > it is then deposited in the Diocesan Record Office - usually the County > Record Office. > > Arthur > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brenda" <ellis-b@sky.com> > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:58 PM > Subject: Re: [WRY] Local REgistry Office vs General Registry Office > > >> Hello Judith >> I was talking about the Parish Register which is kept in the church. In a >> book I have on this subject, it states that the parish clerk made a copy >> to >> send to the registry office. If you are lucky you will get a copy from >> the >> parish register, but otherwise you will get the copy the parish clerk >> wrote >> out. >> In my own case, my signature & that of my husband is in the Church's >> register. The copy we were given to keep had been written out previously, >> with our signatures copied & only the two witnesses signed again. >> Regards >> Brenda > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hello Brenda I was not talking about the original but a copy of the original. Judith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda" <ellis-b@sky.com> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] Local REgistry Office vs General Registry Office > Hello Judith > Not all Parish Registers have been deposited at the Record Offices. This > unfortunately inludes the village of some of my ancestors in Lincolnshire. > I > can get copies of the certificates, but not the original. > Regards > Brenda > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
My Marriage Certificate has my own and my husband's signature on it, as has my parent's, grandparents and most of the ones I have. I could send you over a hundred marriage certificates which have the couples own signatures and the witnesses on them. All four names written in a different hand and with the signatures recognisable as being my parents, grandparents etc. One of my gt grandmother's, who I knew as she died when I was 11 years old, couldn't write but she could, just, write her name. There is no way that a parish clerk signed her name on the certificate! I have never heard of anyone being given their marriage certificate on their wedding day which they have not signed. I think I am living in a different world as I have never come across what you are talking about. I'll probably face the firing squad now but I am only going by what I know. Kind regards Judith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda" <ellis-b@sky.com> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] Local REgistry Office vs General Registry Office > Hello Judith > I was talking about the Parish Register which is kept in the church. In a > book I have on this subject, it states that the parish clerk made a copy > to > send to the registry office. If you are lucky you will get a copy from the > parish register, but otherwise you will get the copy the parish clerk > wrote > out. > In my own case, my signature & that of my husband is in the Church's > register. The copy we were given to keep had been written out previously, > with our signatures copied & only the two witnesses signed again. > Regards > Brenda > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message