Hello Christine I don't suppose, by any small chance, that your Mary was called HOLDER was she? There is a marriage of a Joseph BARKER and a Mary HOLDER in the September ¼ 1845 in Bradford vol 23 page 146. There is no guarantee that these two married each other, just that they are on the same page in the same volume. Kind regards Judith K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Heppell" <heppell2@bigpond.com> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [WRY] Mary HOLDSWORTH born Horton 1824 help find hermarriage please > Hello Christine, > > Well no luck today. I looked at the 1848 and 49 marriages but couldn't > match > up any Jospeh Barker and Mary Holdsworth with the same volume and page > number. Plenty of Josephs and a few Marys. > > Next week I will check the 1850 marriages. Are you sure they were married > in > Yorkshire? > > Regards > > Mary > >> Hi >> I am still unable to find a marriage for my >> gtgtgrandparents >> they were >> Joseph BARKER and Mary HOLDSWORTH >> 1851 >> Name:Mary Barker >> Estimated Birth Year:abt 1824 >> Where born:Horton, Yorkshire, England >> Civil Parish:Horton >> Joseph Barker27 born Clayton stonemason >> Mary Barker27 >> Kelita Barker2 >> they also had Holdsworth BARKER 1852 >> Martha E born1865 >> and my gtgrandfather James 1859 >> I have never found a marriage for Joseph and Mary >> Kelitas birth cert states Mother Mary BARKERformerly HOLDSWORTH father >> Joseph BARKER Stonemason >> Can anyone help please >> Christine >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

heppell2@bigpond.com wrote snip<> Well no luck today. I looked at the 1848 and 49 marriages but couldn't match Jospeh Barker and Mary Holdsworth . Mary thank you so much what a mystery eh yes they are both locals and i am as certain as i can be that they never moved away I appreciate all your efforts for me Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Heppell" <> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [WRY] Mary HOLDSWORTH born Horton 1824 help find hermarriage please > Hello Christine, > Plenty of Josephs and a few Marys. > > Next week I will check the 1850 marriages. Are you sure they were married > in > Yorkshire? > > Regards > > Mary > >> Hi >> I am still unable to find a marriage for my >> gtgtgrandparents >> they were >> Joseph BARKER and Mary HOLDSWORTH >> 1851 >> Name:Mary Barker >> Estimated Birth Year:abt 1824 >> Where born:Horton, Yorkshire, England >> Civil Parish:Horton >> Joseph Barker27 born Clayton stonemason >> Mary Barker27 >> Kelita Barker2 >> they also had Holdsworth BARKER 1852 >> Martha E born1865 >> and my gtgrandfather James 1859 >> I have never found a marriage for Joseph and Mary >> Kelitas birth cert states Mother Mary BARKERformerly HOLDSWORTH father >> Joseph BARKER Stonemason >> Can anyone help please >> Christine >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.6/991 - Release Date: 05/09/2007 > 14:55 > >

hiya, A new season of Who Do You Think You Are? starts tonight BBC1 9pm with Natasha Kaplinsky (newsreader & presenter). I would think a box of tissues at the ready with this very sad tale. _http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/familyhistory/bbc/?familylink=wdytya_ (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/familyhistory/bbc/?familylink=wdytya) this link explains a little about each person that has starred in the last series. Anyone have ancestors in or around Birkin? This Saturday 8th they are having open day & Pontefract FHS (Sonny, Peter & myself) will be on hand to help with queries on their family. This is a reminder for the person that missed the open day at Kellington earlier this year, that we attended (sorry, can't find his e.mail or I would contact him personally) best wishes, Maureen

From: <mstead2@cox.net> > I have recently re-joined this list and I am interested in learning > about the Medieval Bruce family of Skelton, North Yorkshire. This > family is an off-shoot of the Robert the Bruce family and are said > to have owned over 50 manors in West Riding. Does anyone know > exactly where these particular manors were located? Thanks!> As always, the first port of call should be Google. Entering "Bruce+Skelton" produces a number of websites about the family. However take care! Do not necessarily believe everything you read, for the Internet is full of speculative information which may or may not be accurate. -- Roy Stockdill Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

thank you Nancy --- Nancy Magnusson <nancie45@shaw.ca> wrote: > Image sent off list > > 1901 England Census about Simeon Sykes > Name: Simeon Sykes > Age: 34 > Estimated birth year: abt 1867 > Relation: Head > Mother's name: Sophia > Gender: Male > Where born: Deanhead, Yorkshire, England > > Civil parish: Rishworth > Ecclesiastical parish: Ripponden St Bartholomew > County/Island: Yorkshire > Country: England > > Street address: Smith Lane > Occupation: Cotton Spinner > Condition as to marriage: Widower > Employment status: Worker > > Registration district: Halifax > Sub-registration district: Ripponden > ED, institution, or vessel: 8 > Household schedule number: 104 > > Household Members: > Name Age > Harold Sykes 11 (scholar) > Simeon Sykes 34 > Sophia Sykes 74 (widow) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz

Image sent off list 1901 England Census about Simeon Sykes Name: Simeon Sykes Age: 34 Estimated birth year: abt 1867 Relation: Head Mother's name: Sophia Gender: Male Where born: Deanhead, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Rishworth Ecclesiastical parish: Ripponden St Bartholomew County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: Smith Lane Occupation: Cotton Spinner Condition as to marriage: Widower Employment status: Worker Registration district: Halifax Sub-registration district: Ripponden ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Household schedule number: 104 Household Members: Name Age Harold Sykes 11 (scholar) Simeon Sykes 34 Sophia Sykes 74 (widow)

Christine, Parents of 1816 Robert Addy were David Addy born about 1784 from census record No birth data found yet Spouse Esther Sykes c 05 Feb 1786 Kbtn Thanks for reply Tom As for Roy I wonder how often his mother asked him to bring home five pounds of potatoes in his hat ?

Hello, I have recently re-joined this list and I am interested in learning about the Medieval Bruce family of Skelton, North Yorkshire. This family is an off-shoot of the Robert the Bruce family and are said to have owned over 50 manors in West Riding. Does anyone know exactly where these particular manors were located? Thanks!

Hi Eileen, Yes Simeon is a widower aged 34 living at Smith Lane Rishworth Ripponden, (born Deanhead) His occupation looks like Cotton Ginner. RG13 / 4130 132 19. best wishes Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eileen" <dublinswift@yahoo.com> To: "Westriding" <WEST-RIDING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 1:52 AM Subject: [WRY] Simeon Sykes look up 1901 Census Rishworth, Yorkshire > > Hello, > > Can SKS take a look at the 1901 UK Census Rishworth, > Yorkshire, and see if Simeon Sykes is widowed. He is > living with his mother Sophia Sykes age 74 and his 11 year > old son Harold Sykes. > > Thank you > > Eileen > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Got a little couch potato? > Check out fun summer activities for kids. > http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

From: "Jill Blain" <jill.blain1@btopenworld.com> > Angelic, my foot !! You look as if you were planning some right > mischief with the little lad in the middle ! > > Jill ;-) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roy Stockdill" <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 6:03 PM > Subject: Re: [WRY] William & Sophia Sykes of Scammonden > > > > From: STEVE@whitwam.freeserve.co.uk > > > >> I have posted William and Sophia's family details on the Colne > >> Valley Family History Forum for anyone interested. > >> http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?disc=143848;article=1250;titl > >> e=C olne%20Valley%20Family%20History%20Forum > >> > >> Regards > >> Steve Whitwam > >> Golcar, Huddersfield > >> http://www.whitwam.co.uk > >> > > > > For those with Colne Valley ancestors, I should tell you that > > Steve's site is super, with lots of valuable information. > > > > Mind you I am biased because he has just added an extra page of > > photos supplied by myself frrom when we lived at Hanging Royd, just > > across the valley from Golcar, in the 1940s. If you really want a > > laugh, go to paqe 2 of Old Photographs of the Colne Valley and see > > the "Monster of the genealogy lists" and what a cherubic, > > angelic-looking child he was when he was 5 years old! There are > > pictures too of my mum feeding the geese and my parents at some > > function or other when my dad was a member of the Colne Valley Urban > > District Council.> > We were probably planning to push his little brother over the wall! -- Roy Stockdill Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

I am trying to find the burial of John Shay or Shaw. He was born in about 1734 in Swinton. He and his wife Ann had several children baptised at Masborough Chapel in Rotherham, his last child - as far as I know - being baptised in 1769. I think he was a seatholder in Masborough Chapel in 1764, so the family seemed to have strong ties with this chapel. Does the chapel have a burial ground? If so does anyone know where the burial records, or copies of them are? If there is no burial ground at the chapel, where is the most likely place he would have been buried? Thanks in advance for any assistance Sue

Angelic, my foot !! You look as if you were planning some right mischief with the little lad in the middle ! Jill ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Stockdill" <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] William & Sophia Sykes of Scammonden > From: STEVE@whitwam.freeserve.co.uk > >> I have posted William and Sophia's family details on the Colne Valley >> Family History Forum for anyone interested. >> http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?disc=143848;article=1250;title=C >> olne%20Valley%20Family%20History%20Forum >> >> Regards >> Steve Whitwam >> Golcar, Huddersfield >> http://www.whitwam.co.uk >> > > For those with Colne Valley ancestors, I should tell you that Steve's site > is > super, with lots of valuable information. > > Mind you I am biased because he has just added an extra page of > photos supplied by myself frrom when we lived at Hanging Royd, just > across the valley from Golcar, in the 1940s. If you really want a laugh, > go > to paqe 2 of Old Photographs of the Colne Valley and see the "Monster > of the genealogy lists" and what a cherubic, angelic-looking child he was > when he was 5 years old! There are pictures too of my mum feeding the > geese and my parents at some function or other when my dad was a > member of the Colne Valley Urban District Council. > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies > Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.3/986 - Release Date: 03/09/2007 > 09:31 > >

I have posted William and Sophia's family details on the Colne Valley Family History Forum for anyone interested. http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?disc=143848;article=1250;title=Colne%20Valley%20Family%20History%20Forum Regards Steve Whitwam Golcar, Huddersfield http://www.whitwam.co.uk Message: 1 Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 05:26:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Eileen <dublinswift@yahoo.com> Subject: [WRY] 1861 & 1871 Uk Census - Scammonden,Yorkshire To: Westriding <WEST-RIDING-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <284639.92596.qm@web30213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello everyone, Could some one do a look up for me 1861 & or 1871 , trying to find out if the following family from the 1881 UK census had any more children that may have left home by 1881. Household: William SYKES Head M Male 55 Scammonden, York, England Farmer Acres & Road Surveyr Sophia SYKES Wife M Female 54 Scammonden, York, England Alice SYKES Daur U Female 26 Scammonden, York, England Carder Cotton Griffiths SYKES Son Male 18 Scammonden, York, England Piecer Cotton Simeon SYKES Son Male 14 Scammonden, York, England Piecer Cotton

From: STEVE@whitwam.freeserve.co.uk > I have posted William and Sophia's family details on the Colne Valley > Family History Forum for anyone interested. > http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?disc=143848;article=1250;title=C > olne%20Valley%20Family%20History%20Forum > > Regards > Steve Whitwam > Golcar, Huddersfield > http://www.whitwam.co.uk > For those with Colne Valley ancestors, I should tell you that Steve's site is super, with lots of valuable information. Mind you I am biased because he has just added an extra page of photos supplied by myself frrom when we lived at Hanging Royd, just across the valley from Golcar, in the 1940s. If you really want a laugh, go to paqe 2 of Old Photographs of the Colne Valley and see the "Monster of the genealogy lists" and what a cherubic, angelic-looking child he was when he was 5 years old! There are pictures too of my mum feeding the geese and my parents at some function or other when my dad was a member of the Colne Valley Urban District Council. -- Roy Stockdill Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hello, Can SKS take a look at the 1901 UK Census Rishworth, Yorkshire, and see if Simeon Sykes is widowed. He is living with his mother Sophia Sykes age 74 and his 11 year old son Harold Sykes. Thank you Eileen ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz

Can some kind person please tell me whether the St. Catherines marriage index shows the the parents names Been a while since I was able to use a copy and have forgotten details. With my present brick wall I wondered if the St Catherines might be a help. Researching 1816 Robert Addy line in Shelley WRY Know his parents but can't move further back Thanks in anticipation Tom

From: "Liane Fenimore" <lfenimore@columbus.rr.com> > Roy, > > 'When' the DoVE project is done, will the new indexes have been copied > from the old ones (checking those they can't read), or, will they > re-index the whole lot using the actual certificates? Since they will > be adding information, I would hope it is the latter. > > Liane Fenimore> It is my understanding that it will be a complete rewrite of the indexes, starting from 1837 and working from the certificates. However, when we will see the project completed and online is in the lap of the gods! The UK family history movement asked them to do the reindexing from the ORIGINAL certificates in the local register offices, since these are widely regarded as being more accurate and there are a number of certificates that never made it to the GRO at all. However, this suggestion was not acted upon, for whatever reason. -- Roy Stockdill Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

From: Tom Gardiner <tm.gardiner@skymesh.net.au> > Can some kind person please tell me whether the St. Catherines > marriage index shows the the parents names > > Been a while since I was able to use a copy and have forgotten > details. With my present brick wall I wondered if the St Catherines > might be a help. > > Researching 1816 Robert Addy line in Shelley WRY > Know his parents but can't move further back> Firstly, could I point out that only Australians still refer to the General Register Office Indexes as the "St Catherine's Indexes"? They haven't been held at St Catherine's House in the Aldwych since they were moved to the Family Records Centre at Islington in the late 1990s. And now that, too, is to close in October - much to the chagrin of UK family historians. It is an absolute disgrace but the powers-that-be have made it quite plain that it is a fait accompli and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it. Unless you can find a library or record office that has copies of the GRO Indexes on microfiche (and they are sometimes unreadable), we will be entirely reliant on consulting the indexes online at Ancestry and Findmypast.com, and also at FreeBMD. To answer your principal question, no, the marriage indexes do NOT give the names of parents. Indeed, the actual marriage certificate itself has never given the mother's name, only the father's. I am talking here about England and Wales, since Scottish certificates do give both parents' names and Scotland's system is superior to ours in England. We have been promised that when the DoVE project (Digitisation of Vital Events) is completed by the GRO the indexes will be rewritten and that the birth indexes will show the maiden names of mothers right back to the beginning in 1837, the marriage indexes will likewise give the names of spouses back to the beginning and the death indexes will show the ages at death back to 1837. However, it has been admitted that, like all government IT projects, it is currently a shambles and is already a year behind schedule. So don't count on your family history researches and brick walls getting any easier! Finally, I don't quite understand why you are asking about the marriage indexes for someone before 1816. Since civil registration didn't start until July 1st 1837, there aren't any indexes before that date. In 1816 you are entirely reliant on the parish registers. I thought all family historians knew that. -- Roy Stockdill Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Youi would need to buy a certificate to find out parent's names On 04/09/07, Tom Gardiner <tm.gardiner@skymesh.net.au> wrote: > Can some kind person please tell me whether the St. Catherines marriage > index shows the the parents names > > Been a while since I was able to use a copy and have forgotten details. > With my present brick wall I wondered if the St Catherines might be a help. > > Researching 1816 Robert Addy line in Shelley WRY > Know his parents but can't move further back > > Thanks in anticipation > Tom > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Sheila (South Wales) I transcribe for FreeBMD (http://freebmd.rootsweb.com) Website (http://www.sheilakhan.100megsfree5.com)

What was the names of the parents? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gardiner" <tm.gardiner@skymesh.net.au> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 8:47 AM Subject: [WRY] St Catherines marriage index > Can some kind person please tell me whether the St. Catherines marriage > index shows the the parents names > > Been a while since I was able to use a copy and have forgotten details. > With my present brick wall I wondered if the St Catherines might be a > help. > > Researching 1816 Robert Addy line in Shelley WRY > Know his parents but can't move further back > > Thanks in anticipation > Tom > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.2/985 - Release Date: 02/09/2007 > 16:32 > >