From: "Nick Taylor" <familyhistory@cnrt.co.uk> > Roy, > > I would be interested in your opinion on marriage bonds. In your > reply to Margaret's question your reply included "a bond with a friend > to forfeit a sum of money". > > I have such a bond (with what was then a huge forfeit) but I am > wondering if the person in question could be a relative of the lady of > the impending marriage. I have been unable to trace her ancestry but > if I assume that the other name on the bond was her father then I can > find a perfect answer to my quest. > > So my question is "Who were likely to sign a marriage bond? Were they > friends of the groom, relatives, potential in-laws or anybody?" > > The marriage did occur but I am unable to trace her line further > unless I conclude that the "bondsman" (is that a word?) was in fact > her father. > > Appreciate your views> One factor which might help to answer your question is, was the lady under age, a minor, i.e. under 21? If this was the case, she could only have married with permission of parent(s) or legal guardian. Normally, it was the bridegroom and a friend who entered into the bond but I see no particular reason why it couldn't have been his prospective father-in-law. -- Roy Stockdill Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Thank you Roy On 25 Sep 2007, at 12:04, Roy Stockdill wrote: From: Margaret Elliott <meelliott@btinternet.com> > Apologies for my ignorance, but how would I find a marriage licence > for Wath upon Dearne in 1799?> It is most unlikely the licence itself still exists. The licence was given to the bridegroom to give to the vicar and few have survived. What you might find are marriage bonds and allegations. An allegation was a statement and sworn oath by one of the parties, usually the groom, that there was no legal impediment to the marriage. He might also be required to enter into a bond with a friend to forfeit a sum of money if the marriage was subsequently proved to be unlawful. If anything does exist it would be at the appropriate record office, which in the case of Wath upon Dearne might be Sheffield Archives or possibly Wakefield. -- Roy Stockdill Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Roy, I would be interested in your opinion on marriage bonds. In your reply to Margaret's question your reply included "a bond with a friend to forfeit a sum of money". I have such a bond (with what was then a huge forfeit) but I am wondering if the person in question could be a relative of the lady of the impending marriage. I have been unable to trace her ancestry but if I assume that the other name on the bond was her father then I can find a perfect answer to my quest. So my question is "Who were likely to sign a marriage bond? Were they friends of the groom, relatives, potential in-laws or anybody?" The marriage did occur but I am unable to trace her line further unless I conclude that the "bondsman" (is that a word?) was in fact her father. Appreciate your views, Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Stockdill" <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> To: <WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] Marriage licence > From: Margaret Elliott <meelliott@btinternet.com> > >> Apologies for my ignorance, but how would I find a marriage licence >> for Wath upon Dearne in 1799?> > > It is most unlikely the licence itself still exists. The licence was given > to > the bridegroom to give to the vicar and few have survived. > > What you might find are marriage bonds and allegations. An allegation > was a statement and sworn oath by one of the parties, usually the groom, > that there was no legal impediment to the marriage. He might also be > required to enter into a bond with a friend to forfeit a sum of money if > the > marriage was subsequently proved to be unlawful. > > If anything does exist it would be at the appropriate record office, which > in > the case of Wath upon Dearne might be Sheffield Archives or possibly > Wakefield. > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies > Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi, See your name SUTCLIFFE. My Gx4 grandfather's first wife was Rachel SUTCLIFFE. On April 11, 1814, William WASHINGTON wed Rachal SUTCLIFFE in the Kirkheaton Parish Church. Any chance you have a connection to Rachel? hogrider1989@comcast.net. Richard Washington ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Sutcliffe" <jeans2@westnet.com.au> To: <WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 1:59 AM Subject: [WRY] SHAW Family. l800+ Dewsbury. Yorks. > Can anyone help me with the SHAW family.SARAH METCALFE, Aunty to STAN > LAUREL(Laurel & HARDY) married a JOHN SHAW whose family were Rag Merchants > in DEWSBURY. They lived in Ulverstone. Lake District after marriage. > This would be l890+. I have found my Ferris relations of Halifax. Thank > goodness. Jean Sutcliffe > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you Maureen. Hopefully someone can help. The couple involved were John STRAFFORD and Ann CROSSLEY, and they were married in Wath upon Dearne on 7th March 1799. Can anyone do the look up please. Regards Margaret On 25 Sep 2007, at 11:09, Maureen wrote: Hi Margaret, The Marriage bonds and allegations for that period are at The Borthwick Institute and they have been indexed. I believe that some Archives have copies of the index too. If you give the names of the couple and the approx. date of their marriage to the list and ask if anyone has access to them and who would be prepared to look it up for you then hopefully you will have an answer quite soon. Best wishes, Maureen p.s. If you don't have a reply it is something I could do for you but not for some time. -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Elliott Sent: 25 September 2007 10:47 To: WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com Subject: [WRY] Marriage licence Apologies for my ignorance, but how would I find a marriage licence for Wath upon Dearne in 1799? Regards Margaret Switzerland ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1029 - Release Date: 24/09/2007 19:09 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1029 - Release Date: 24/09/2007 19:09

From: Margaret Elliott <meelliott@btinternet.com> > Apologies for my ignorance, but how would I find a marriage licence > for Wath upon Dearne in 1799?> It is most unlikely the licence itself still exists. The licence was given to the bridegroom to give to the vicar and few have survived. What you might find are marriage bonds and allegations. An allegation was a statement and sworn oath by one of the parties, usually the groom, that there was no legal impediment to the marriage. He might also be required to enter into a bond with a friend to forfeit a sum of money if the marriage was subsequently proved to be unlawful. If anything does exist it would be at the appropriate record office, which in the case of Wath upon Dearne might be Sheffield Archives or possibly Wakefield. -- Roy Stockdill Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Apologies for my ignorance, but how would I find a marriage licence for Wath upon Dearne in 1799? Regards Margaret Switzerland

Hello, My gr-grandfather, John William Stephenson, was born on 14 March 1850, at Conyer's Yard, Wortley, Registration District of Hunslet. I would like to obtain a copy of his baptism record (or at least the information on it) but am not sure what church he was baptised in -- perhaps St. John the Evangelist, St. Mary, or St. Saviour, or would it be another church? His mother was Hannah Caroline Stephenson (nee Gibson) and I'm trying to determine who his father was. Can anyone tell me where I should write to inquire about obtaining a copy of this record? -- or does anyone on this list have copies of these church records and be willing to do a look-up for me? Any help would be appreciated. Thank you, Marjorie in the U.S. marjorie@gmavt.net

Hi Barbara & list Thanks, I can see both families in the 1851 census at Hepworth and henry (snr) in the 1841. However the only henry aged 15 in the 1841 is in the District of Wortley (neighbouring Hepworth) but unfortunately relationships and place of birth are not shown in 1841 so it is not possible to be sure if this, or the 8 yrs old you mention, are your Henry. Since IGI does not include any references for the birth/baptism of Henry or any of his siblings it is possible that they were baptised in a nonconformist extablishment for which the records are not readily available. Sorry but all this does not even dint your brick wall. Cheers Roger ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 12:54:25 -0700 From: Barbara Leveque Subject: Re: [WRY] HENRY HINCHLIFFE, Hepworth To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <46F6C471.5070504@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Thank you Roger. I didn't see Hugh in the 1841 census. I found the younger Henry listed as a Blacksmith App between a John Robinson, age 79, Blacksmith and a John Robinson, brn abt 1811, Blacksmith. I decided to look at all of the pages. When I did that, I found Henry the elder. The census source info: Henry the elder > Class:HO107; Piece 1277; Book:5; Civil Parish: Kirk Burton,; County: > Yorkshire; Enumeration Dist: 8; Folio 12; page.16; Line: 15; GSU roll > 464246 Henry the younger, the same but page 8. I also found Job Hinchliffe on page 4, James Hinchliffe on page 17, and Zacchens Hinchliffe on page 14. I decided that Henry the younger just might be Henry the elder's son if his age was really 15, not 8. I thought the census taker may have made a mistake on the age as the age of the Robinson boy listed the line above was 8. Henry the younger married Martha Bradley in Lockwood on Nov. 19, 1848. Both ages are listed as 22. His father is listed as Henry, farmer. I have the certificate. In 1851 Henry and Martha are still in Hepworth according to the census. Henry is listed as 25, Martha as 24. Henry's occupation is blacksmith. The family emmigrated to the US in 1855, well, at least Martha and the children. I found their passage on the New York Passenger Lists record, arriving in New York on the ship City of Mobile, June 18, 1855. Of course, the name was spelled wrong: Henchliffe but all of the family members were correct. I have never found Henry's passage. In 1860 they appear on the US census in Virginia, Cass, Illinois. Henry enlisted in the Union Army in Feb. 1865 and was killed at Vicksburg, Mississippi in Oct. 1865. I found the death record and the pension record naming Martha as the widow. I really was hoping to find Henry's birth family and siblings as I think he may have come to America with a relative. There are other Hinchliffes in Illinois and they slowly moved west, first to Kansas, then to Washington State. This is probably more info than you wanted! Henry's parents and siblings have been a brick wall for a while! Thanks for all your help! Cheers! Barbara ROGER GILL wrote: >Hi Barbara & List > > The Huddersfield & District FHS index of baptisms at Kirkburton do not contain any baptisms matching the names and dates you quote. > There is one entry for Henry (son of James Hinchliffe and Sarah Wortley) on 21 July 1782. This also appears on the IGI. > > There is no entry for a Henry around 1826. > > Looking at the H&D FHS index for both the 1841 and 51 Census, there are 3 Henry Hinchliffes mentioned in each. However the 8 year old App blacksmith is in the same household as Hugh Hinchliffe in 1841. In 1851 he is still there and shown as the 18 yr old son of Hugh. > > I wonder if you have the correct family? Perhaps you might say how you arrived at this conclusion and we may be able to help more. > > Cheers > > Roger > > Researching GILL, BERRY, CHARLESWORTH & ROBINSON south of Huddersfield. >Message: 2 >Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:12:36 -0700 >From: Barbara Leveque >Subject: [WRY] Where to find Parish Records for Hepworth >To: WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <46F56924.1080909@earthlink.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > >Hello! >I am rather new to the parish record search process. I am trying to >determine which microfiche/film to order for Parish Records for >Hepworth, 1750 - 1860. When I search the Family History Library, >Hepworth shows records from 1863 - 1985. Would the records I need be in >Kirk Burton parish? There are 11 films listed for Kirk Burton. At US$6 >per film, I don't want to order the wrong one! > >I am searching HINCHLIFFE, specifically Henry born abt 1786 and his son >Henry, born abt 1826. > >A second question if you are still reading: Would an 8 year old boy be >apprenticed to a blacksmith? I think I found son Henry in the 1841 >census but the age was 8 rather than 15. I do know that the census often >has mistakes around age. > >Thanks for any help offered! > >Barbara > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ To contact the WEST-RIDING list administrator, send an email to WEST-RIDING-admin@rootsweb.com. 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Thank you Roger. Yes, I had found the Henry in Wortley in 1841. In fact, thought it was my Henry until I found this other bit from Hepworth. All of the families being within pages of each other made me think differently. Another woman replied off list that she would go to the Library in Kirk Burton today (Monday Sept24) and look at the parish records. We'll see if she finds anything. If not, at least I know he came from Hepworth which our family always thought the Hinchliffes came from Sheffield. I've only been doing genealogy for about 15 months, starting with my mother's side. I have learned a lot and have become addicted! Again, thanks for all your help. Barbara ROGER GILL wrote: >Hi Barbara & list > > Thanks, I can see both families in the 1851 census at Hepworth and henry (snr) in the 1841. However the only henry aged 15 in the 1841 is in the District of Wortley (neighbouring Hepworth) but unfortunately relationships and place of birth are not shown in 1841 so it is not possible to be sure if this, or the 8 yrs old you mention, are your Henry. > > Since IGI does not include any references for the birth/baptism of Henry or any of his siblings it is possible that they were baptised in a nonconformist extablishment for which the records are not readily available. > > Sorry but all this does not even dint your brick wall. > > Cheers > > Roger > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 12:54:25 -0700 >From: Barbara Leveque >Subject: Re: [WRY] HENRY HINCHLIFFE, Hepworth >To: west-riding@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <46F6C471.5070504@earthlink.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > >Thank you Roger. I didn't see Hugh in the 1841 census. I found the >younger Henry listed as a Blacksmith App between a John Robinson, age >79, Blacksmith and a John Robinson, brn abt 1811, Blacksmith. I decided >to look at all of the pages. When I did that, I found Henry the elder. >The census source info: > >Henry the elder > > > >>Class:HO107; Piece 1277; Book:5; Civil Parish: Kirk Burton,; County: >>Yorkshire; Enumeration Dist: 8; Folio 12; page.16; Line: 15; GSU roll >>464246 >> >> > >Henry the younger, the same but page 8. > >I also found Job Hinchliffe on page 4, James Hinchliffe on page 17, and >Zacchens Hinchliffe on page 14. > >I decided that Henry the younger just might be Henry the elder's son if >his age was really 15, not 8. I thought the census taker may have made a >mistake on the age as the age of the Robinson boy listed the line above >was 8. > >Henry the younger married Martha Bradley in Lockwood on Nov. 19, 1848. >Both ages are listed as 22. His father is listed as Henry, farmer. I >have the certificate. In 1851 Henry and Martha are still in Hepworth >according to the census. Henry is listed as 25, Martha as 24. Henry's >occupation is blacksmith. > >The family emmigrated to the US in 1855, well, at least Martha and the >children. I found their passage on the New York Passenger Lists record, >arriving in New York on the ship City of Mobile, June 18, 1855. Of >course, the name was spelled wrong: Henchliffe but all of the family >members were correct. I have never found Henry's passage. In 1860 they >appear on the US census in Virginia, Cass, Illinois. Henry enlisted in >the Union Army in Feb. 1865 and was killed at Vicksburg, Mississippi in >Oct. 1865. I found the death record and the pension record naming Martha >as the widow. > >I really was hoping to find Henry's birth family and siblings as I think >he may have come to America with a relative. There are other Hinchliffes >in Illinois and they slowly moved west, first to Kansas, then to >Washington State. > >This is probably more info than you wanted! Henry's parents and >siblings have been a brick wall for a while! > >Thanks for all your help! > >Cheers! > >Barbara > > >ROGER GILL wrote: > > > >>Hi Barbara & List >> >>The Huddersfield & District FHS index of baptisms at Kirkburton do not contain any baptisms matching the names and dates you quote. >>There is one entry for Henry (son of James Hinchliffe and Sarah Wortley) on 21 July 1782. This also appears on the IGI. >> >>There is no entry for a Henry around 1826. >> >>Looking at the H&D FHS index for both the 1841 and 51 Census, there are 3 Henry Hinchliffes mentioned in each. However the 8 year old App blacksmith is in the same household as Hugh Hinchliffe in 1841. In 1851 he is still there and shown as the 18 yr old son of Hugh. >> >>I wonder if you have the correct family? Perhaps you might say how you arrived at this conclusion and we may be able to help more. >> >>Cheers >> >>Roger >> >>Researching GILL, BERRY, CHARLESWORTH & ROBINSON south of Huddersfield. >>Message: 2 >>Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:12:36 -0700 >>From: Barbara Leveque >>Subject: [WRY] Where to find Parish Records for Hepworth >>To: WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com >>Message-ID: <46F56924.1080909@earthlink.net> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed >> >>Hello! >>I am rather new to the parish record search process. I am trying to >>determine which microfiche/film to order for Parish Records for >>Hepworth, 1750 - 1860. When I search the Family History Library, >>Hepworth shows records from 1863 - 1985. Would the records I need be in >>Kirk Burton parish? There are 11 films listed for Kirk Burton. At US$6 >>per film, I don't want to order the wrong one! >> >>I am searching HINCHLIFFE, specifically Henry born abt 1786 and his son >>Henry, born abt 1826. >> >>A second question if you are still reading: Would an 8 year old boy be >>apprenticed to a blacksmith? I think I found son Henry in the 1841 >>census but the age was 8 rather than 15. I do know that the census often >>has mistakes around age. >> >>Thanks for any help offered! >> >>Barbara >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> > > >------------------------------ > >To contact the WEST-RIDING list administrator, send an email to >WEST-RIDING-admin@rootsweb.com. > >To post a message to the WEST-RIDING mailing list, send an email to WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com. > >__________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com >with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >email with no additional text. > > >End of WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 2, Issue 311 >****************************************** > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi Barbara & List The Huddersfield & District FHS index of baptisms at Kirkburton do not contain any baptisms matching the names and dates you quote. There is one entry for Henry (son of James Hinchliffe and Sarah Wortley) on 21 July 1782. This also appears on the IGI. There is no entry for a Henry around 1826. Looking at the H&D FHS index for both the 1841 and 51 Census, there are 3 Henry Hinchliffes mentioned in each. However the 8 year old App blacksmith is in the same household as Hugh Hinchliffe in 1841. In 1851 he is still there and shown as the 18 yr old son of Hugh. I wonder if you have the correct family? Perhaps you might say how you arrived at this conclusion and we may be able to help more. Cheers Roger Researching GILL, BERRY, CHARLESWORTH & ROBINSON south of Huddersfield. Message: 2 Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:12:36 -0700 From: Barbara Leveque Subject: [WRY] Where to find Parish Records for Hepworth To: WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <46F56924.1080909@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Hello! I am rather new to the parish record search process. I am trying to determine which microfiche/film to order for Parish Records for Hepworth, 1750 - 1860. When I search the Family History Library, Hepworth shows records from 1863 - 1985. Would the records I need be in Kirk Burton parish? There are 11 films listed for Kirk Burton. At US$6 per film, I don't want to order the wrong one! I am searching HINCHLIFFE, specifically Henry born abt 1786 and his son Henry, born abt 1826. A second question if you are still reading: Would an 8 year old boy be apprenticed to a blacksmith? I think I found son Henry in the 1841 census but the age was 8 rather than 15. I do know that the census often has mistakes around age. Thanks for any help offered! Barbara

Another new Wiki site that could be useful and that I have not seen mentioned anywhere: <http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php> "Your Archives is a ground-breaking new resource, which has recently been launched as part of The National Archives´ online services. It is a virtual community of record users where people can share their knowledge of archival sources held by The National Archives and by other archives throughout the UK. ... The content on Your Archives is contributed by users and is designed to offer information additional to that currently available in our Catalogue, Research Guides, DocumentsOnline and the National Register of Archives. The Catalogue has a link on each page to Your Archives encouraging users to find out more, or to contribute their knowledge about a particular record. Users can contribute to Your Archives in numerous ways. They can edit pre-existing pages and submit articles about historical records held by The National Archives or elsewhere. Users can also expand upon a Catalogue entry publish a transcription of one of the documents available in DocumentsOnline. Alternatively, they can contribute to the research guidance available to users by expanding and updating one of the National Archives' Research Guides." There are a few will transcriptions already on the site. Please forgive if this is already well known but it was new to me. Regards Chris On 23/09/2007, Darris Williams <WilliamsDa@ldschurch.org> wrote: > The Family History Department in Salt Lake City has developed a new research > support tool <www.FamilySearchWiki.org>.

Thank you Roger. I didn't see Hugh in the 1841 census. I found the younger Henry listed as a Blacksmith App between a John Robinson, age 79, Blacksmith and a John Robinson, brn abt 1811, Blacksmith. I decided to look at all of the pages. When I did that, I found Henry the elder. The census source info: Henry the elder > Class:HO107; Piece 1277; Book:5; Civil Parish: Kirk Burton,; County: > Yorkshire; Enumeration Dist: 8; Folio 12; page.16; Line: 15; GSU roll > 464246 Henry the younger, the same but page 8. I also found Job Hinchliffe on page 4, James Hinchliffe on page 17, and Zacchens Hinchliffe on page 14. I decided that Henry the younger just might be Henry the elder's son if his age was really 15, not 8. I thought the census taker may have made a mistake on the age as the age of the Robinson boy listed the line above was 8. Henry the younger married Martha Bradley in Lockwood on Nov. 19, 1848. Both ages are listed as 22. His father is listed as Henry, farmer. I have the certificate. In 1851 Henry and Martha are still in Hepworth according to the census. Henry is listed as 25, Martha as 24. Henry's occupation is blacksmith. The family emmigrated to the US in 1855, well, at least Martha and the children. I found their passage on the New York Passenger Lists record, arriving in New York on the ship City of Mobile, June 18, 1855. Of course, the name was spelled wrong: Henchliffe but all of the family members were correct. I have never found Henry's passage. In 1860 they appear on the US census in Virginia, Cass, Illinois. Henry enlisted in the Union Army in Feb. 1865 and was killed at Vicksburg, Mississippi in Oct. 1865. I found the death record and the pension record naming Martha as the widow. I really was hoping to find Henry's birth family and siblings as I think he may have come to America with a relative. There are other Hinchliffes in Illinois and they slowly moved west, first to Kansas, then to Washington State. This is probably more info than you wanted! Henry's parents and siblings have been a brick wall for a while! Thanks for all your help! Cheers! Barbara ROGER GILL wrote: >Hi Barbara & List > > The Huddersfield & District FHS index of baptisms at Kirkburton do not contain any baptisms matching the names and dates you quote. > There is one entry for Henry (son of James Hinchliffe and Sarah Wortley) on 21 July 1782. This also appears on the IGI. > > There is no entry for a Henry around 1826. > > Looking at the H&D FHS index for both the 1841 and 51 Census, there are 3 Henry Hinchliffes mentioned in each. However the 8 year old App blacksmith is in the same household as Hugh Hinchliffe in 1841. In 1851 he is still there and shown as the 18 yr old son of Hugh. > > I wonder if you have the correct family? Perhaps you might say how you arrived at this conclusion and we may be able to help more. > > Cheers > > Roger > > Researching GILL, BERRY, CHARLESWORTH & ROBINSON south of Huddersfield. >Message: 2 >Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:12:36 -0700 >From: Barbara Leveque >Subject: [WRY] Where to find Parish Records for Hepworth >To: WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <46F56924.1080909@earthlink.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > >Hello! >I am rather new to the parish record search process. I am trying to >determine which microfiche/film to order for Parish Records for >Hepworth, 1750 - 1860. When I search the Family History Library, >Hepworth shows records from 1863 - 1985. Would the records I need be in >Kirk Burton parish? There are 11 films listed for Kirk Burton. At US$6 >per film, I don't want to order the wrong one! > >I am searching HINCHLIFFE, specifically Henry born abt 1786 and his son >Henry, born abt 1826. > >A second question if you are still reading: Would an 8 year old boy be >apprenticed to a blacksmith? I think I found son Henry in the 1841 >census but the age was 8 rather than 15. I do know that the census often >has mistakes around age. > >Thanks for any help offered! > >Barbara > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi Barbara, I'm afraid that my reply isn't really very helpful, but I thought I'd let you know you're not alone! Because of computer rpoblems, health problems, broadband problems (!!!) I'm out of practise with my FH but Hinchliffe my wife's paternal line, and the one I'm going to pick up on now that I'm back. Besides that, we were born in that area. I'm looking for a John Hinchliffe, born 1816 in Netherthong, which is just on the opposite side of the Holme valley from Hepworh. Unfortunately, it's fairly certain that the Hinchliffe clan originated from that area originally (another of the villllages is Hinchliffe Mill). Your best bet for FH records in that area is the Huddersfield & District Family History Society, who have a very helpful website, and lots of reasonably priced publications. Good hunting!

From: "Annabelle Sutton" <annabelle@sutton86.fsnet.co.uk> > Hi, I wonder if someone can enlighten me a little about BARNSLEY. > > My gggg grandfather ,Samuel FIRTH, according to the 1851 census, was > born Barnsley c.1802.I can find no mention of a church in Barnsley, so > am wondering where to search for his baptism. > > kindest regards, > Annabelle.(Devon) Find a library that has a copy of the National Index of Parish Registers for the West Riding (published by the Society of Genealogists). This has several pages devoted to churches in Barnsley. Alternatively, go to the GENUKI pages for Yorkshire and follow the links to Barnsley. This also will give you a vast amount of information on Barnsley churches. -- Roy Stockdill Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

annabelle@sutton86.fsnet.co.uk wrote snip< born Barnsley c.1802.I can find no mention of a church in Barnsley, so am wondering where to search for his baptism. Hi Take a look here It may help you Christine http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Silkstone/index.html#Churches ----- Original Message ----- From: "Annabelle Sutton" <annabelle@sutton86.fsnet.co.uk> To: <WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 8:54 PM Subject: [WRY] Samuel FIRTH.born BARNSLEY.c1802. > Hi, I wonder if someone can enlighten me a little about BARNSLEY. > > My gggg grandfather ,Samuel FIRTH, according to the 1851 census, was born > Barnsley c.1802.I can find no mention of a church in Barnsley, so am > wondering where to search for his baptism. > > kindest regards, > Annabelle.(Devon) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.28/1023 - Release Date: > 22/09/2007 13:27 > >

Does anyone know if there is an online index for pre 1858 wills and probate for the Sheffield area?

Hi, I wonder if someone can enlighten me a little about BARNSLEY. My gggg grandfather ,Samuel FIRTH, according to the 1851 census, was born Barnsley c.1802.I can find no mention of a church in Barnsley, so am wondering where to search for his baptism. kindest regards, Annabelle.(Devon)

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Hello! I am rather new to the parish record search process. I am trying to determine which microfiche/film to order for Parish Records for Hepworth, 1750 - 1860. When I search the Family History Library, Hepworth shows records from 1863 - 1985. Would the records I need be in Kirk Burton parish? There are 11 films listed for Kirk Burton. At US$6 per film, I don't want to order the wrong one! I am searching HINCHLIFFE, specifically Henry born abt 1786 and his son Henry, born abt 1826. A second question if you are still reading: Would an 8 year old boy be apprenticed to a blacksmith? I think I found son Henry in the 1841 census but the age was 8 rather than 15. I do know that the census often has mistakes around age. Thanks for any help offered! Barbara