Bev thank you for that web site - I had browsed it before but had completely missed the photo of the Cross Keys - I couldn't see the wood for the trees <g> On the webpage, the photo to the left of the farmhouse I think is in the foreground of the photo which shows "The Hawthorns". Neil I will send a copy privately - thank you and thank you for the probable ID of the book(s). Chris On 27/09/2007, Beverley Hill <hilltock@btinternet.com> wrote: > Chris > Try this website cross keys is still there. > > http://www.rotherhamweb.co.uk/district/wath.htm > > Bev > -----Original Message----- > From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris 4Genealogy > Sent: 27 September 2007 20:13 > To: WEST RIDING > Subject: [WRY] Do these buildings in Wath upon Dearne exist today?

Hi Chris, as Beverley said the Cross Keys is still there. >From your description "The Hawthorns" would be at the end of High Street where the road was diverted when the roundabout and bypass were built. There are some old buildings there, in particular what I think is the old farmhouse. If I get chance I'll try and drop by and check if there are any signs of The Hawthorns. Do you still have the photo I can see? As far as the book goes there is a series of South Yorkshire books. Written my Melvyn Jones, published by Wharncliffe called Aspects of Rotherham 1, 2 and 3. It may have been one of those. Hope this helps. Neil -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Chris 4Genealogy Sent: 27 September 2007 20:13 To: WEST RIDING Subject: [WRY] Do these buildings in Wath upon Dearne exist today? Hi A number of years ago SKS sent me two scans from a book on Wath upon Dearne, of buildings associated with my family. I would like to find out whether they are still standing and identifiable, and also to determine the title and author of the book. 1. The Cross Keys on Doncaster Road was photographed about 1910 (possibly built about 1874). Using the OS Old Maps site and GoogleMaps I think I have identified it as the first building on the left coming off the Wath Roundabout going east on the Doncaster Road. Is there anybody on the list that can confirm that this was the Cross Keys? Is it still a pub? 2. This is slightly more complicated as I think it has been affected by modern road alterations. The picture caption says "High Street in 1905, as Victoria School pupils would see it marching to the sports. On the left is number 54-56, an eighteenth century farmhouse. Centre left is New Road, with Wharncliffe Crescent in the distance. New Road was originally Long Hedge Shutt Road. This part of High Street was Burlington Street in the 1860s, as far as Moor Road (then Out Lane) where it became Low Street. On the right is The Hawthorns..." The house I am interested in is the aforementioned "The Hawthorns". I think the house is the one just about opposite the end of New Road on the north side of the High Street. If it is still standing what is it used for today? I have no information about the book other than these two full page B&W photos, but guess it could a book of old photos of Wath upon Dearne - does anyone know of such a tome - author, title, date of publication etc? Please. I cannot put the photos on the web because I think they are likely to be under copyright still. One more question - again using GoogleMaps from the appearance of the land around the parish church - all the gravestones appear to have been removed. Is this so and were they recorded and where are the records? (Any pics?) TIA Chris ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1033 - Release Date: 27/09/2007 11:06 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1033 - Release Date: 27/09/2007 11:06

Chris Try this website cross keys is still there. http://www.rotherhamweb.co.uk/district/wath.htm Bev -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris 4Genealogy Sent: 27 September 2007 20:13 To: WEST RIDING Subject: [WRY] Do these buildings in Wath upon Dearne exist today? Hi A number of years ago SKS sent me two scans from a book on Wath upon Dearne, of buildings associated with my family. I would like to find out whether they are still standing and identifiable, and also to determine the title and author of the book. 1. The Cross Keys on Doncaster Road was photographed about 1910 (possibly built about 1874). Using the OS Old Maps site and GoogleMaps I think I have identified it as the first building on the left coming off the Wath Roundabout going east on the Doncaster Road. Is there anybody on the list that can confirm that this was the Cross Keys? Is it still a pub? 2. This is slightly more complicated as I think it has been affected by modern road alterations. The picture caption says "High Street in 1905, as Victoria School pupils would see it marching to the sports. On the left is number 54-56, an eighteenth century farmhouse. Centre left is New Road, with Wharncliffe Crescent in the distance. New Road was originally Long Hedge Shutt Road. This part of High Street was Burlington Street in the 1860s, as far as Moor Road (then Out Lane) where it became Low Street. On the right is The Hawthorns..." The house I am interested in is the aforementioned "The Hawthorns". I think the house is the one just about opposite the end of New Road on the north side of the High Street. If it is still standing what is it used for today? I have no information about the book other than these two full page B&W photos, but guess it could a book of old photos of Wath upon Dearne - does anyone know of such a tome - author, title, date of publication etc? Please. I cannot put the photos on the web because I think they are likely to be under copyright still. One more question - again using GoogleMaps from the appearance of the land around the parish church - all the gravestones appear to have been removed. Is this so and were they recorded and where are the records? (Any pics?) TIA Chris ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: 26/09/2007 20:20 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: 26/09/2007 20:20

Hi A number of years ago SKS sent me two scans from a book on Wath upon Dearne, of buildings associated with my family. I would like to find out whether they are still standing and identifiable, and also to determine the title and author of the book. 1. The Cross Keys on Doncaster Road was photographed about 1910 (possibly built about 1874). Using the OS Old Maps site and GoogleMaps I think I have identified it as the first building on the left coming off the Wath Roundabout going east on the Doncaster Road. Is there anybody on the list that can confirm that this was the Cross Keys? Is it still a pub? 2. This is slightly more complicated as I think it has been affected by modern road alterations. The picture caption says "High Street in 1905, as Victoria School pupils would see it marching to the sports. On the left is number 54-56, an eighteenth century farmhouse. Centre left is New Road, with Wharncliffe Crescent in the distance. New Road was originally Long Hedge Shutt Road. This part of High Street was Burlington Street in the 1860s, as far as Moor Road (then Out Lane) where it became Low Street. On the right is The Hawthorns..." The house I am interested in is the aforementioned "The Hawthorns". I think the house is the one just about opposite the end of New Road on the north side of the High Street. If it is still standing what is it used for today? I have no information about the book other than these two full page B&W photos, but guess it could a book of old photos of Wath upon Dearne - does anyone know of such a tome - author, title, date of publication etc? Please. I cannot put the photos on the web because I think they are likely to be under copyright still. One more question - again using GoogleMaps from the appearance of the land around the parish church - all the gravestones appear to have been removed. Is this so and were they recorded and where are the records? (Any pics?) TIA Chris

Could some kind soul, perhaps with local knowledge, clarify an address in the above census for me please. The PRO ref. is HO.107/1268/1, enumeration schedule 27, pages 19 & 20. The address appears to be Batley Carr roadside. Am I reading it correctly and, if so, why roadside? Was it a camp or something similar? The family I am interested in as the Brierley one on page 20. Any help greatly appreciated. Joan in South Yorkshire

Hi Tom, Never had an answer so quick before. Thank you so much for the information. I never thought about Scotland. Benjamin was my gr.gr.grandfathers brother,so its great too know where he went to. Thanks again, Joyce ----- Original Message ----- From: "T Wood" <ttwood49@hotmail.com> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [WRY] SHACKLETON family after 1881 > > Joyce, > > They were in Glasgow Scotland in 1891 and 1901. Benjamin may have been > dead by 1901. In 1891 Mark was married to a woman named Ellen and they had > a 1 year old daughter Mary.Tom WoodPittsburgh, PA USA> From: > j.batt@blueyonder.co.uk> To: WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com> Date: Thu, 27 Sep > 2007 11:21:46 +0100> Subject: [WRY] SHACKLETON family after 1881> > Hi > List,> > Hope someone can help with this family AFTER 1881;> > Benjamin > SHACKLETON born 1827 at Bingley,was at Chestnut St,Bingley in 1881.> With > him was ;> son Mark born 1856.> son Simpson born 1860> son John born 1866 > > daughter Mary A. born 1870> all born Bingley.> also there was Marks wife > Elizabeth. Bailey.> They were married in 1879> > I can find no trace of > any of them in 1891 or 1901.> Nothing on BMD either.> > Any > suggestions,please.> > Joyce> > > > -------------------------------> To > unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the s! > ubject and the body of the message > _________________________________________________________________ > Discover the new Windows Vista > http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vista&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: > 9/26/2007 8:20 PM > >

Hi List, Hope someone can help with this family AFTER 1881; Benjamin SHACKLETON born 1827 at Bingley,was at Chestnut St,Bingley in 1881. With him was ; son Mark born 1856. son Simpson born 1860 son John born 1866 daughter Mary A. born 1870 all born Bingley. also there was Marks wife Elizabeth. Bailey. They were married in 1879 I can find no trace of any of them in 1891 or 1901. Nothing on BMD either. Any suggestions,please. Joyce

Elaine Are you looking for specific people this website gives the name of his first wife and their sons http://carrbrookvillage.users.btopenworld.com/victoriacross.html Bev -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elaine Sykes Sent: 27 September 2007 09:47 To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WRY] Ernest SYKES VC Hi Christine et al Not quite everything I wanted to know! I'm still searching for a local Huddersfield death notice/obituary in the hope that it mentions family names. Thanks and regards, Elaine > Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:01:04 +0100 > From: "CHRISTINE" <CHRISTINE.SHELMERDINE@NTLWORLD.COM> > Subject: Re: [WRY] Ernest SYKES VC > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <017c01c80088$bef30910$6be00152@D98VGG2J> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hello Elaine, if you type Ernest Sykes V.C. in Google you will see a > wonderful page to this man. It tells you everything that you want to know. > > Cheers > > Christine from Oldham ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: 26/09/2007 20:20 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: 26/09/2007 20:20

Just a little sideline on Private Sykes...............there was a steam locomotive named after him on the LMS railway.......'Private E.Sykes, V.C.' as I believe he was a railwayman at the time. Gordon Warrington FreeREG Lincs Co-ordinator see http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~darfield/ Heckington Genealogy see http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~heckington/ Live messenger address willie800@hotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine Sykes" <elaine.sykes@sympatico.ca> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [WRY] Ernest SYKES VC > Hi Christine et al > > Not quite everything I wanted to know! I'm still searching for a local > Huddersfield death notice/obituary in the hope that it mentions family > names. > > > Thanks and regards, > > Elaine > >> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:01:04 +0100 >> From: "CHRISTINE" <CHRISTINE.SHELMERDINE@NTLWORLD.COM> >> Subject: Re: [WRY] Ernest SYKES VC >> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <017c01c80088$bef30910$6be00152@D98VGG2J> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Hello Elaine, if you type Ernest Sykes V.C. in Google you will see a >> wonderful page to this man. It tells you everything that you want to >> know. >> >> Cheers >> >> Christine from Oldham > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: > 26/09/2007 20:20 > >

Joyce, They were in Glasgow Scotland in 1891 and 1901. Benjamin may have been dead by 1901. In 1891 Mark was married to a woman named Ellen and they had a 1 year old daughter Mary.Tom WoodPittsburgh, PA USA> From: j.batt@blueyonder.co.uk> To: WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:21:46 +0100> Subject: [WRY] SHACKLETON family after 1881> > Hi List,> > Hope someone can help with this family AFTER 1881;> > Benjamin SHACKLETON born 1827 at Bingley,was at Chestnut St,Bingley in 1881.> With him was ;> son Mark born 1856.> son Simpson born 1860> son John born 1866 > daughter Mary A. born 1870> all born Bingley.> also there was Marks wife Elizabeth. Bailey.> They were married in 1879> > I can find no trace of any of them in 1891 or 1901.> Nothing on BMD either.> > Any suggestions,please.> > Joyce> > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Discover the new Windows Vista http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vista&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE

Hi Christine et al Not quite everything I wanted to know! I'm still searching for a local Huddersfield death notice/obituary in the hope that it mentions family names. Thanks and regards, Elaine > Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:01:04 +0100 > From: "CHRISTINE" <CHRISTINE.SHELMERDINE@NTLWORLD.COM> > Subject: Re: [WRY] Ernest SYKES VC > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <017c01c80088$bef30910$6be00152@D98VGG2J> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hello Elaine, if you type Ernest Sykes V.C. in Google you will see a > wonderful page to this man. It tells you everything that you want to know. > > Cheers > > Christine from Oldham

jennifer_penner@alumni.sfu.ca wrote snip<> Wondering if anyone could look for a John Walsh b. abt 1853 Ireland and his > family, wife Ellen Hi Is this him? Christine 11 Whitworth Road Labourer Mason 1891 England Census about John Welsh Name:John Welsh Age:38 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1853 Relation:Head Spouse's Name:Ellen Gender:Male Where born:Sligo, Ireland Civil Parish:Dewsbury Ecclesiastical parish:St Matthews County/Island:Yorkshire Country:England Registration district:Dewsbury Sub-registration district:Dewsbury ED, institution, or vessel:12 Neighbors:View others on page Household Members:NameAge Ellen Welsh33 Ellen Welsh9 John Welsh38 John Thomas Welsh4 Kate Welsh10 Mary Agnes Welsh13 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jen" <jennifer_penner@alumni.sfu.ca> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:04 PM Subject: [WRY] 1891 census > Wondering if anyone could look for a John Walsh b. abt 1853 Ireland and > his > family, wife Ellen b. abt 1864 in the 1891 census. Living in Dewsbury > with > up to 9 children. I cancelled my Ancestry last week and now a family > member > sent me his death certificate. Wouldn't you know all along we had him > listed as Jack and his wife as Mary. No wonder we could never find him. > > Thanks Jenn > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.31/1031 - Release Date: > 26/09/2007 12:12 > >

Image sent off list Tracy -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jen Sent: 26 September 2007 23:05 To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Subject: [WRY] 1891 census Wondering if anyone could look for a John Walsh b. abt 1853 Ireland and his family, wife Ellen b. abt 1864 in the 1891 census. Living in Dewsbury with up to 9 children. I cancelled my Ancestry last week and now a family member sent me his death certificate. Wouldn't you know all along we had him listed as Jack and his wife as Mary. No wonder we could never find him. Thanks Jenn ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Elaine, if you type Ernest Sykes V.C. in Google you will see a wonderful page to this man. It tells you everything that you want to know. Cheers Christine from Oldham ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine Sykes" <elaine.sykes@sympatico.ca> To: <WEST-RIDING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:51 PM Subject: [WRY] Ernest SYKES VC > Ernest SYKES died Aug 3rd 1949 and is buried in Lockwood Cemetery. > > He received the VC in WWI. > > Could anyone please help me to find his gravestone, and if possible take a > photograph for me. I would also be grateful if you could direct me to > local newspaper archives for his death notice/obituary. > > I think the Huddersfield Examiner would be the local paper, but am not > certain of that. Would there be any little local broadsheets for > Milnsbridge, where he apparently lived for many years, or for Lockwood? > > TIA > > Warm regards, > > Elaine in Toronto > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.5/990 - Release Date: 04/09/2007 > 22:36 > >

I have discovered a photo of Ernest's grave on www.findagrave.com - a website that is new to me. So to anyone who was thinking of trekking to Lockwood Cemetery - thank you anyway but no need. Warm regards, Elaine

Ernest SYKES died Aug 3rd 1949 and is buried in Lockwood Cemetery. He received the VC in WWI. Could anyone please help me to find his gravestone, and if possible take a photograph for me. I would also be grateful if you could direct me to local newspaper archives for his death notice/obituary. I think the Huddersfield Examiner would be the local paper, but am not certain of that. Would there be any little local broadsheets for Milnsbridge, where he apparently lived for many years, or for Lockwood? TIA Warm regards, Elaine in Toronto

Thanks again. Jenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy Dunne" <tracy.dunne@coat-dunne-ancestors.co.uk> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] 1891 census > Image sent off list > > > Tracy > > -----Original Message----- > From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jen > Sent: 26 September 2007 23:05 > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WRY] 1891 census > > Wondering if anyone could look for a John Walsh b. abt 1853 Ireland and > his > family, wife Ellen b. abt 1864 in the 1891 census. Living in Dewsbury > with > up to 9 children. I cancelled my Ancestry last week and now a family > member > > sent me his death certificate. Wouldn't you know all along we had him > listed as Jack and his wife as Mary. No wonder we could never find him. > > Thanks Jenn > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks that was a fast response. Jenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "york_lanc_FH" <york_lanc_FH@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Cc: <jennifer_penner@alumni.sfu.ca> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] 1891 census > jennifer_penner@alumni.sfu.ca > wrote > snip<> Wondering if anyone could look for a John Walsh b. abt 1853 Ireland > and his >> family, wife Ellen > Hi > Is this him? > Christine > 11 Whitworth Road > Labourer Mason > 1891 England Census > about John Welsh > Name:John Welsh > Age:38 > Estimated Birth Year:abt 1853 > Relation:Head > Spouse's Name:Ellen > Gender:Male > Where born:Sligo, Ireland > > Civil Parish:Dewsbury > Ecclesiastical parish:St Matthews > County/Island:Yorkshire > Country:England > Registration district:Dewsbury > Sub-registration district:Dewsbury > ED, institution, or vessel:12 > Neighbors:View others on page > Household Members:NameAge > Ellen Welsh33 > Ellen Welsh9 > John Welsh38 > John Thomas Welsh4 > Kate Welsh10 > Mary Agnes Welsh13 > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jen" <jennifer_penner@alumni.sfu.ca> > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:04 PM > Subject: [WRY] 1891 census > > >> Wondering if anyone could look for a John Walsh b. abt 1853 Ireland and >> his >> family, wife Ellen b. abt 1864 in the 1891 census. Living in Dewsbury >> with >> up to 9 children. I cancelled my Ancestry last week and now a family >> member >> sent me his death certificate. Wouldn't you know all along we had him >> listed as Jack and his wife as Mary. No wonder we could never find him. >> >> Thanks Jenn >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.31/1031 - Release Date: >> 26/09/2007 12:12 >> >> > > >

Wondering if anyone could look for a John Walsh b. abt 1853 Ireland and his family, wife Ellen b. abt 1864 in the 1891 census. Living in Dewsbury with up to 9 children. I cancelled my Ancestry last week and now a family member sent me his death certificate. Wouldn't you know all along we had him listed as Jack and his wife as Mary. No wonder we could never find him. Thanks Jenn

If you have a Latter Day Saints Church in your district you can read the "Bonds and Allegations" (which were signed when applying for the marriage licence) on microfilm at their Family History Centre. You are unlikely to find an actual "Licence". Mabel New Zealand Apologies for my ignorance, but how would I find a marriage licence for Wath upon Dearne in 1799? Regards Margaret Switzerland