Hi Sue Thanks for the recommendation, as I too missed the Graeme Norton programme. However I think list should know that it's not so easy to download and takes time! Your initial link gets one through to the BBC I Player registration (eventually!), and then one has to fill in registration details and get a pin number. The website here is confusing re instructions Once registrated, one can pick a programme, but the down-load takes a long time - reckon on an hour this time !? - before it is loaded for viewing. Plus-side is that this facility should allow one to see lots of programmes that one has missed! - but only a week from time of broadcast, to down-load. Thanks for the tip! Richard -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of sjw Sent: 13 October 2007 21:04 To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WRY] Graham Norton BBC WDYTYA Hi again A revision to my post - Apparently if you have broadband and Windows, you can download/watch the programme on the BBC iplayer for a week afterwards... http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/page/item/b0081l8k.shtml Off to dig out my hated Windows laptop...! Sue (a Mac + Reunion person!) On 13/10/07 7:26 pm, "Mlou1173@aol.com" <Mlou1173@aol.com> wrote: > Sorry I stirred the pot.....the minute I clicked "send", I thought to > myself.....oh, @#$%, that is going to elicit a reponse from Roy about Google. > I > agree, I could have done it myself.....no excuses. > > Seeing how Mr. Norton's heritage is Irish, doubt we are related...but no > harm to try. > > Yes, Roy and I have been trading messages for years now, and I can take his > reprimands.....though I do feel sorry for the real newcomers who are on the > receiving end of some of his more outlandish tirades. > > I appreciate those of you who came to my defense. > > Cheers.......mary lou > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mary, There is a Jewish School in Hull, try.... www.jewishgen.org/jcr-uk/community/hull-hebrew.htm Gordon. ======================================== Message Received: Oct 14 2007, 12:39 PM From: "Roy Stockdill" To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: Re: [WRY] Jewish school in Yorkshire in the 1800's From: Mary Heppell > I am hoping someone will know if there was a Jewish School in > Yorkshire probably a secondary school] for the years after 1871.> Which part of Yorkshire? I am sorry but I have to say it again - some enquirers seem to have no concept of how BIG a county Yorkshire is! There may well have been a number of Jewish schools but are you talking about the West Riding only, or what? Try entering "Jewish schools+Yorkshire" into Googe. -- Roy Stockdill Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You are quite right Terry. And I think we are all guilty of thinking that Google is the answer to everything! I went through Altavista and found the following references to Jewish Schools in Yorkshire: 1. The Leeds Civic Trust www.leedscivictrust.org.uk had "Jewish Schools in Leeds 1880 - 1930" 2. www.localhistory.co.uk has a reference to "A Jewish School in Victorian Leeds" in on of it's publication and www.geoffkolnick.tripod.com refers to the first Jewish marriage in Yorkshire. I hope this helps Mary and encourages others to think outside Google - as it did me! Best wishes Eve From: "TERRY HOPKIN- SUNDBY" <terrysundbya0felan3@hotmail.com> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] Jewish school in Yorkshire in the 1800's > > Hi > there is an ignorance amongst many as to how search engines work and their > limitations. All search engines have catalogues that they search within. > Most search engines Google included have "national" catalogues so a search > in the UK for example may not give the same results as one in Australia, > or searching with "Asak Jeeves" may well give a result which maybe Google > doesn't or vice versa. > There exist multi search engines such as Copernic which prove to avoid > some of the difficulties experienced with single search engines. > But going onto a spesalist search on a British Jewish site may well give > you a much better result than writting into GOOGLE jEWISH > SCHOOLS+YORKSHIRE, especialy as you are searching from Australia. > regards > Terry > Norway >> From: roy.stockdill@btinternet.com >> To: west-riding@rootsweb.com >> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 12:12:03 +0100 >> Subject: Re: [WRY] Jewish school in Yorkshire in the 1800's >> >> From: Mary Heppell >> >>> I am hoping someone will know if there was a Jewish School in >>> Yorkshire probably a secondary school] for the years after 1871.> >> >> Which part of Yorkshire? I am sorry but I have to say it again - some >> enquirers seem to have no concept of how BIG a county Yorkshire is! >> >> There may well have been a number of Jewish schools but are you >> talking about the West Riding only, or what? >> >> Try entering "Jewish schools+Yorkshire" into Googe. >> >> -- >> Roy Stockdill >> Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies >> Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org >> Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: >> www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html >> >> "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, >> and that is not being talked about." >> OSCAR WILDE >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! > http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, I have 2 ancestors (John Sykes & Mary Robinson) who were married in St Mary's Church Selby in 1829. Recently I received a copy of the marriage record, page 179, signed by a J Muncaster, indicating they were married by Banns in "this" church. The marriage as listed on the IGI, says it is from the Bishops Transcripts for the Anglican Church. However, if you put St Mary's Church, Selby, into Google it comes up with a Catholic St Mary's Church! On a visit from Oz in 2004, we went to visit both those churches in Selby. Knocking unannounced on the door where the catholic priest lived he kindly invited us in and then dived into a large box and together we went through several old books looking for either Sykes or Robinson names - then he told me that the catholic church wasn't there in 1829 anyway! A Google search for Jonathon Muncaster shows he was indeed a minister, of Gowthorpe, but of no stated religion. As a silly old 74 yr old, certainly not wanting to start a 'Holy War,' am I correct in assuming the marriage above was indeed an Anglican one! I realise that during certain periods churches "switched" under threat of severe penalty, according to the ruling parties at the time. Was the current Abbey in Selby also known as St Mary's around the time of 1829? Regards Ray ps if their is anyone else out there interested in Sykes or more particularly Robinson from that area and era I would like to hear from you.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Butterfield" <Bfield751@msn.com> To: "WEST-RIDING-L" <WEST-RIDING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 3:33 PM Subject: [WRY] Parish Registers Hi Jim. Parish Registers or Bishops Transcripts for Bradford Parish Church, now Bradford Cathedral which is St Peter's. They are on fiche in Bradord Central Library on 5th floor, and also in Halfax Central Library along with Zion Methodist New Connexion, Ovenden. or look on http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com or use Link below. Janet (Zion Methodist New Connexion) J133641 1779-1837 M133641 -1827 Janet Ogden Project Officer for Bradford FHSoc., FreeCEN 1891 Huddersfield & Saddleworth Also for FreeREG Yorkshire > Could someone please point me in the right direction for finding the > Parish Registers or Bishops Transcripts for Bradford Parish Church? I am > hoping to find these records from the 1600's up until government > registration in 1837. > > Also would be interested in finding registers for Zion Methodist New > Connexion, Ovenden. > > Thanks in advance for any information. > > Jim Butterfield > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.9/1069 - Release Date: > 13/10/2007 19:26 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 57952 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now!

Hi there is an ignorance amongst many as to how search engines work and their limitations. All search engines have catalogues that they search within. Most search engines Google included have "national" catalogues so a search in the UK for example may not give the same results as one in Australia, or searching with "Asak Jeeves" may well give a result which maybe Google doesn't or vice versa. There exist multi search engines such as Copernic which prove to avoid some of the difficulties experienced with single search engines. But going onto a spesalist search on a British Jewish site may well give you a much better result than writting into GOOGLE jEWISH SCHOOLS+YORKSHIRE, especialy as you are searching from Australia. regards Terry Norway > From: roy.stockdill@btinternet.com > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 12:12:03 +0100 > Subject: Re: [WRY] Jewish school in Yorkshire in the 1800's > > From: Mary Heppell > >> I am hoping someone will know if there was a Jewish School in >> Yorkshire probably a secondary school] for the years after 1871.> > > Which part of Yorkshire? I am sorry but I have to say it again - some > enquirers seem to have no concept of how BIG a county Yorkshire is! > > There may well have been a number of Jewish schools but are you > talking about the West Riding only, or what? > > Try entering "Jewish schools+Yorkshire" into Googe. > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies > Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx

If you're asking "Was there a Jewish secondary school in Yorkshire in the 1870's", then the answer is almost certainly "no", but there may be another answer depending on the question that you're really asking, and any other information that you have but haven't posted. The 1870 Elementary Education Act set out a framework for the provision of education for all children between the ages of 5 and 13 in England and Wales. Naturally, this wasn't taken up or enforced overnight, and it wasn't for another 10 years that children aged 5 to 10 were actually compelled to go to school. Age 5 to 13 was primary education. Secondary education commenced at 13, an age when the vast majority of people were well capable of, and expected to be, earning a living for themselves. If you went into secondary education, instead of a job, someone had the money to spare to pay for it. Yorkshire had an influx of Jews in the mid to late nineteenth century. They were fleeing the persecution in what is now Poland, and usually intending to go to the USA. The usual route was into England via Hull, and out via Liverpool. Some ran out of money and ended up settling in cities along the route such as Leeds and Manchester. What became the Leeds ghetto was an area called the Leylands, to the north of the city centre. Following the 1870 Elementary Education Act the area benefited from the same education provision as the rest of the country. The first Board school (board, as in School Board, not boarding) in the Leylands was set up in Gower street in 1875 (the building is still there, but it's no longer a school). In time, the Board schools in the Leylands had an almost 100% Jewish attendance, but they were neither Jewish, nor Secondary schools. Kushti bok, Chris Westmoreland > -----Original Message----- > From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary Heppell > Sent: 14 October 2007 03:40 > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WRY] Jewish school in Yorkshire in the 1800's > > Hello Listers, > > I am hoping someone will know if there was a Jewish School in Yorkshire > probably a secondary school] for the years after 1871. > > Thanks for any help. > > Mary Heppell > > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.9/1068 - Release Date: 13/10/2007 10:15

Selby Abbey is dedicated to Our Lord Jesus Christ, St Mary the Virgin and St Germain ... thus could have been called St. Mary's by some. Ann Lowry / Morris Selby Yks

From: "Jim Butterfield" <Bfield751@msn.com> > Could someone please point me in the right direction for finding the > Parish Registers or Bishops Transcripts for Bradford Parish Church? I > am hoping to find these records from the 1600's up until government > registration in 1837. > > Also would be interested in finding registers for Zion Methodist New > Connexion, Ovenden. > > Thanks in advance for any information.> Somewhat surprisingly, the registers of Bradford Parish Church (St Peter's Cathedral) appear to be still with the incumbent. Baptisms, marries and burials all date from 1599. There are fiche copies at the Bradford Archives and the BTs are at the West Yorkshire Archive Service, Sheepscar, Leeds. Births and christenings for the Zion Chapel, Methodist New Connexion, Ovenden, from 1799-1837 are at The National Archives. Births and baptisms 1775-1979 and burials 1887-1927 are also at the Calderdale Archives, Halifax. -- Roy Stockdill Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

From: Mary Heppell <heppell2@bigpond.com> > I am hoping someone will know if there was a Jewish School in > Yorkshire probably a secondary school] for the years after 1871.> Which part of Yorkshire? I am sorry but I have to say it again - some enquirers seem to have no concept of how BIG a county Yorkshire is! There may well have been a number of Jewish schools but are you talking about the West Riding only, or what? Try entering "Jewish schools+Yorkshire" into Googe. -- Roy Stockdill Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hello Listers, I am hoping someone will know if there was a Jewish School in Yorkshire probably a secondary school] for the years after 1871. Thanks for any help. Mary Heppell

Could someone please point me in the right direction for finding the Parish Registers or Bishops Transcripts for Bradford Parish Church? I am hoping to find these records from the 1600's up until government registration in 1837. Also would be interested in finding registers for Zion Methodist New Connexion, Ovenden. Thanks in advance for any information. Jim Butterfield

Hi everyone I am new to this list. I have been looking for the marriage of William JOHNSON and Catherine WILLMORE for some time, I have looked at the pages on Ancestry and cannot set one and am thinking it could have been missed. A very kind lady at Bradforf looked for the marriage in the Church records for St. James's Church in Tong, but there was nothing there. I am wondering what other churches they could have been married in. In 1881 Catherine is with her father Edward and step mother Susan and step sister Emily at 27 Binn Green, Saddleworth, in October 1890 my great grandmother Rebecca JOHNSON was born whilst they were living at 11 Sagar Square, Tong, the birth certificate show mother as Catherine JOHNSON formerly WILLMORE and the father as William JOHNSON, occupation, joiner & carpenter journeyman. In 1891 they are in Brownhill Lane, Cartworth, with her father Edward, his wife Susan's death is shown as A/M/J qtr 1891 Huddersfield I desperately need to find the marriage as without it I cannot trace his line back any more. On the 1891 he is from Northampton but the 1901 is more specific saying Long Buckby, Northampton Can anyone find this marriage or have any suggestions where I may look TIA Ann _________________________________________________________________ Celeb spotting – Play CelebMashup and win cool prizes https://www.celebmashup.com

Hi again A revision to my post - Apparently if you have broadband and Windows, you can download/watch the programme on the BBC iplayer for a week afterwards... http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/page/item/b0081l8k.shtml Off to dig out my hated Windows laptop...! Sue (a Mac + Reunion person!) On 13/10/07 7:26 pm, "Mlou1173@aol.com" <Mlou1173@aol.com> wrote: > Sorry I stirred the pot.....the minute I clicked "send", I thought to > myself.....oh, @#$%, that is going to elicit a reponse from Roy about Google. > I > agree, I could have done it myself.....no excuses. > > Seeing how Mr. Norton's heritage is Irish, doubt we are related...but no > harm to try. > > Yes, Roy and I have been trading messages for years now, and I can take his > reprimands.....though I do feel sorry for the real newcomers who are on the > receiving end of some of his more outlandish tirades. > > I appreciate those of you who came to my defense. > > Cheers.......mary lou > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Many thanks to those who replied back channel. I've found someone who is going to stick a dvd copy in the post on Monday. I'll try and upload the Yorkshire part of the programme to Youtube, if anyone else wants to see it. It might be interesting to see Sheffield Archive centre and that part of Yorks for anyone who's not been. Sue On 13/10/07 7:26 pm, "Mlou1173@aol.com" <Mlou1173@aol.com> wrote: > Sorry I stirred the pot.....the minute I clicked "send", I thought to > myself.....oh, @#$%, that is going to elicit a reponse from Roy about Google. > I > agree, I could have done it myself.....no excuses. > > Seeing how Mr. Norton's heritage is Irish, doubt we are related...but no > harm to try. > > Yes, Roy and I have been trading messages for years now, and I can take his > reprimands.....though I do feel sorry for the real newcomers who are on the > receiving end of some of his more outlandish tirades. > > I appreciate those of you who came to my defense. > > Cheers.......mary lou > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Mary Lou. Judith ----- Original Message ----- From: <mlou1173@aol.com> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] Wade House Chapel, Shelf > Hi Judy.....in that case, why don't you contact the FHS local to Shelf > to see if they may have more information. > > mary lou > > > > > > > > > Hello Mary Lou > > Many thanks for the picture but there was an older building than this, > complete with graveyard. > > The first of my ancestors, which I have found so far, were buried there > in > 1826 and the register showed earlier burials than this. > > Many thanks. > > Judith > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Mlou1173@aol.com> > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 12:32 AM > Subject: Re: [WRY] Wade House Chapel, Shelf > > >> Hi.....here is a picture of the chapel, which is now a community > center. >> Built in 1901. Can't see where there would have been a grave yard >> though! >> >> > _http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/PhotoFrames/WRY/WadeHouse1901.html_ > >> > (http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/PhotoFrames/WRY/WadeHouse1901.html) > >> >> mary lou >> >> >> >> ************************************** See what's new at >> http://www.aol.com >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of > the message > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thankyou Roy and Jean for the information. As there are no marriages mentioned for the chapel, where would they most likely have occurred? regards Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Stockdill" <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] Where is "Houghton By Settle"? > From: "Lyn Wolf" <lawolf@dodo.com.au> > >> Can anyone tell me exactly where Houghton By Settle is? It is >> mentioned on the IGI at www.familysearch.org . Is it the name of a >> parish, or part of another parish?> > > As ever, use GOOGLE! It is simplicity itself to find where Houghton by > Settle is just by entering it into the search engine. A number of websites > appear and there is a full description of the place at this one..... > > http://www.thornber.net/famhist/htmlfiles/houghton.html > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies > Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Can anyone tell me exactly where Houghton By Settle is? It is mentioned on the IGI at www.familysearch.org . Is it the name of a parish, or part of another parish? Researching COOK, LEAK(E), & WATSON in the Giggleswick area, before 1830. Regards Lyn Wolf Australia

In a message dated 10/13/2007 4:20:57 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, annabelle@sutton86.fsnet.co.uk writes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Norton http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/familyhistory/get_started/wdytya_s4_celeb_gallery _06.shtml Thanks for these Annabelle.......most interesting! mary lou ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Sorry I stirred the pot.....the minute I clicked "send", I thought to myself.....oh, @#$%, that is going to elicit a reponse from Roy about Google. I agree, I could have done it myself.....no excuses. Seeing how Mr. Norton's heritage is Irish, doubt we are related...but no harm to try. Yes, Roy and I have been trading messages for years now, and I can take his reprimands.....though I do feel sorry for the real newcomers who are on the receiving end of some of his more outlandish tirades. I appreciate those of you who came to my defense. Cheers.......mary lou ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com