Hi Roy I have sent your email onto an Aust list I am on and I will let you know as soon as I get a reply. Sam Victoria, Australia -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Roy Stockdill Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2007 7:03 AM To: eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com Cc: west-riding@rootsweb.com Subject: [WRY] From Easingwold to Collingwood, Victoria, Australia..... I wonder if one of our Australian friends would mind reposting this message on one or two of their lists for me? I am not very familiar with Oz lists and this may be a quicker way of doing it than my joining them. There is a strong Yorkshire connection. I am interested in contacting any descendants of GEORGE MALCOM and JANE DAVEY, who married on 7th December 1867 at the Register Office at Sandridge, Victoria. I have the register entry printout from the Victoria Archives online and it shows George Malcolm was aged 30, a widower and a ships steward, while Jane Davey was 27, a spinster and a housekeeper. Both were born in London, England, and gave the same address, Dow Street, Sandridge, Victoria. George Malcolms parents were given as John Malcolm, lawyers clerk, and Susan Pearce. Janes parents were Nicholas Davey, greengrocer, and Jane STOCKDALE. George Malcolms previous wife was shown as having died on 16 April 1859 - whether in England or Australia I could not say. Here is my connection and the Yorkshire connection¦.. Jane Daveys mother, JANE STOCKDALE or STOCKDILL, was my great-great-aunt, being an elder sister of my great-grandfather Robert Stockdill (1806-1896). Jane was born at Easingwold, Yorkshire, on 16 June 1797 and baptised there on 16 July 1797. She went to London, probably to join her brother George Stockdill (1803-1886), and married NICHOLAS DAVEY, a greengrocer from Penzance, Cornwall, on 26 September 1830 at St Georges Hanover Square. They appear in all the subsequent censuses at Lambeth until Nicholas died in 1869 and Jane in 1872, both at Lambeth. They had a daughter, the above-mentioned JANE DAVEY, who was born in the June quarter of 1840 at Lambeth. She obviously emigrated to Australia at some date unknown. My suspicion is that as George Malcolm was a ships steward, they may have met on the boat going over there. In 1886 Jane the younger appears as a beneficiary in the will of her uncle George Stockdill, my great-great-uncle, born at Easingwold in 1803, who died in London a very wealthy man. He named her amongst 12 nephews and nieces who shared his estate as Jane Malcolm of the Village Bell Hotel, Collingwood, Australia, so presumably by 1886 George and Jane Malcolm had taken over this establishment - no doubt a logical business step for a former ships steward. Jane would then have been aged 46. I have not found any children of George Malcolm and Jane, if indeed they had any. But I would welcome contact from anyone who may know more of them in Australia. I am aware Collingwood is now a suburb of Melbourne and would be interested in anything at all about the Village Bell Hotel there. I Googled and discovered something called the Village Belle [sic] Hotel but Im not at all sure its the same thing. -- Roy Stockdill Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.12/1072 - Release Date: 15/10/2007 5:55 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 16/10/2007 2:14 PM
Hi Roy, I have posted your email and email address to the AUS-VIC list, I do hope you receive some joy from it, happy hunting Annette WATSON Lismore Australia At 10:02 PM 16/10/2007 +0100, you wrote: >I wonder if one of our Australian friends would mind reposting this >message on one or two of their lists for me? I am not very familiar with >Oz lists and this may be a quicker way of doing it than my joining them. >There is a strong Yorkshire connection. <large snip>
I wonder if one of our Australian friends would mind reposting this message on one or two of their lists for me? I am not very familiar with Oz lists and this may be a quicker way of doing it than my joining them. There is a strong Yorkshire connection. I am interested in contacting any descendants of GEORGE MALCOM and JANE DAVEY, who married on 7th December 1867 at the Register Office at Sandridge, Victoria. I have the register entry printout from the Victoria Archives online and it shows George Malcolm was aged 30, a widower and a ships steward, while Jane Davey was 27, a spinster and a housekeeper. Both were born in London, England, and gave the same address, Dow Street, Sandridge, Victoria. George Malcolms parents were given as John Malcolm, lawyers clerk, and Susan Pearce. Janes parents were Nicholas Davey, greengrocer, and Jane STOCKDALE. George Malcolms previous wife was shown as having died on 16 April 1859 - whether in England or Australia I could not say. Here is my connection and the Yorkshire connection¦.. Jane Daveys mother, JANE STOCKDALE or STOCKDILL, was my great-great-aunt, being an elder sister of my great-grandfather Robert Stockdill (1806-1896). Jane was born at Easingwold, Yorkshire, on 16 June 1797 and baptised there on 16 July 1797. She went to London, probably to join her brother George Stockdill (1803-1886), and married NICHOLAS DAVEY, a greengrocer from Penzance, Cornwall, on 26 September 1830 at St Georges Hanover Square. They appear in all the subsequent censuses at Lambeth until Nicholas died in 1869 and Jane in 1872, both at Lambeth. They had a daughter, the above-mentioned JANE DAVEY, who was born in the June quarter of 1840 at Lambeth. She obviously emigrated to Australia at some date unknown. My suspicion is that as George Malcolm was a ships steward, they may have met on the boat going over there. In 1886 Jane the younger appears as a beneficiary in the will of her uncle George Stockdill, my great-great-uncle, born at Easingwold in 1803, who died in London a very wealthy man. He named her amongst 12 nephews and nieces who shared his estate as Jane Malcolm of the Village Bell Hotel, Collingwood, Australia, so presumably by 1886 George and Jane Malcolm had taken over this establishment - no doubt a logical business step for a former ships steward. Jane would then have been aged 46. I have not found any children of George Malcolm and Jane, if indeed they had any. But I would welcome contact from anyone who may know more of them in Australia. I am aware Collingwood is now a suburb of Melbourne and would be interested in anything at all about the Village Bell Hotel there. I Googled and discovered something called the Village Belle [sic] Hotel but Im not at all sure its the same thing. -- Roy Stockdill Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE
I agree Annabelle, I have printed it and will refer to that info as I need to. Mary > Chris said, > > >> If you're asking "Was there a Jewish secondary school in Yorkshire in the >> 1870's", then the answer is almost certainly "no", but there may be >> another >> answer depending on the question that you're really asking, and any other >> information that you have but haven't posted. >> >> The 1870 Elementary Education Act set out a framework for the provision of >> education for all children between the ages of 5 and 13 in England and >> Wales. Naturally, this wasn't taken up or enforced overnight, and it >> wasn't >> for another 10 years that children aged 5 to 10 were actually compelled to >> go to school. Age 5 to 13 was primary education. >> >> Secondary education commenced at 13, an age when the vast majority of >> people >> were well capable of, and expected to be, earning a living for themselves. >> If you went into secondary education, instead of a job, someone had the >> money to spare to pay for it. >> >> Yorkshire had an influx of Jews in the mid to late nineteenth century. >> They >> were fleeing the persecution in what is now Poland, and usually intending >> to >> go to the USA. The usual route was into England via Hull, and out via >> Liverpool. Some ran out of money and ended up settling in cities along the >> route such as Leeds and Manchester. What became the Leeds ghetto was an >> area >> called the Leylands, to the north of the city centre. >> >> Following the 1870 Elementary Education Act the area benefited from the >> same >> education provision as the rest of the country. The first Board school >> (board, as in School Board, not boarding) in the Leylands was set up in >> Gower street in 1875 (the building is still there, but it's no longer a >> school). In time, the Board schools in the Leylands had an almost 100% >> Jewish attendance, but they were neither Jewish, nor Secondary schools. >> > Chris, that was excellent.!! > > I have no jewish ancestors (that I am aware of ) but found it most > interesting. Had Mary found something on Google, we as a list would have > missed this very educational piece of information. > > regards from, > Annabelle. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Mary, just curios about whom you are searching for. I am also searching for some one that was sent to England at a young age, with one of his brothers, from Prussian to go to school. His name was Franz Anton MEYER. Sam Victoria, Australia -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Mary Heppell Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2007 5:59 PM To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WRY] Jewish school in Yorkshire in the 1800's Hello Chris, Thank you for the info regarding Jewish schools and education. I am not sure I am on the right track, I know two sons were sent to boarding school . The parents were Prussian so maybe they sent their sons to Germany to school. They do not appear in the 1871 census. I will have to give this more thought. Thanks again. Mary > If you're asking "Was there a Jewish secondary school in Yorkshire in the > 1870's", then the answer is almost certainly "no", but there may be another > answer depending on the question that you're really asking, and any other > information that you have but haven't posted. > > The 1870 Elementary Education Act set out a framework for the provision of > education for all children between the ages of 5 and 13 in England and > Wales. Naturally, this wasn't taken up or enforced overnight, and it wasn't > for another 10 years that children aged 5 to 10 were actually compelled to > go to school. Age 5 to 13 was primary education. > > Secondary education commenced at 13, an age when the vast majority of people > were well capable of, and expected to be, earning a living for themselves. > If you went into secondary education, instead of a job, someone had the > money to spare to pay for it. > > Yorkshire had an influx of Jews in the mid to late nineteenth century. They > were fleeing the persecution in what is now Poland, and usually intending to > go to the USA. The usual route was into England via Hull, and out via > Liverpool. Some ran out of money and ended up settling in cities along the > route such as Leeds and Manchester. What became the Leeds ghetto was an area > called the Leylands, to the north of the city centre. > > Following the 1870 Elementary Education Act the area benefited from the same > education provision as the rest of the country. The first Board school > (board, as in School Board, not boarding) in the Leylands was set up in > Gower street in 1875 (the building is still there, but it's no longer a > school). In time, the Board schools in the Leylands had an almost 100% > Jewish attendance, but they were neither Jewish, nor Secondary schools. > > Kushti bok, > > Chris Westmoreland > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding- >> bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary Heppell >> Sent: 14 October 2007 03:40 >> To: west-riding@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [WRY] Jewish school in Yorkshire in the 1800's >> >> Hello Listers, >> >> I am hoping someone will know if there was a Jewish School in Yorkshire >> probably a secondary school] for the years after 1871. >> >> Thanks for any help. >> >> Mary Heppell >> >> > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.9/1068 - Release Date: 13/10/2007 > 10:15 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.12/1072 - Release Date: 15/10/2007 5:55 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.12/1072 - Release Date: 15/10/2007 5:55 PM
Thank you for your info Eve I will follow those sites up. Mary > You are quite right Terry. And I think we are all guilty of thinking that > Google is the answer to everything! > > I went through Altavista and found the following references to Jewish > Schools in Yorkshire: > > 1. The Leeds Civic Trust www.leedscivictrust.org.uk had "Jewish Schools in > Leeds 1880 - 1930" > > 2. www.localhistory.co.uk has a reference to "A Jewish School in Victorian > Leeds" in on of it's publication > > and > > www.geoffkolnick.tripod.com refers to the first Jewish marriage in > Yorkshire. > > I hope this helps Mary and encourages others to think outside Google - as it > did me! > > Best wishes > > Eve > > From: "TERRY HOPKIN- SUNDBY" <terrysundbya0felan3@hotmail.com> > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 4:49 PM > Subject: Re: [WRY] Jewish school in Yorkshire in the 1800's > > >> >> Hi >> there is an ignorance amongst many as to how search engines work and their >> limitations. All search engines have catalogues that they search within. >> Most search engines Google included have "national" catalogues so a search >> in the UK for example may not give the same results as one in Australia, >> or searching with "Asak Jeeves" may well give a result which maybe Google >> doesn't or vice versa. >> There exist multi search engines such as Copernic which prove to avoid >> some of the difficulties experienced with single search engines. >> But going onto a spesalist search on a British Jewish site may well give >> you a much better result than writting into GOOGLE jEWISH >> SCHOOLS+YORKSHIRE, especialy as you are searching from Australia. >> regards >> Terry >> Norway >>> From: roy.stockdill@btinternet.com >>> To: west-riding@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 12:12:03 +0100 >>> Subject: Re: [WRY] Jewish school in Yorkshire in the 1800's >>> >>> From: Mary Heppell >>> >>>> I am hoping someone will know if there was a Jewish School in >>>> Yorkshire probably a secondary school] for the years after 1871.> >>> >>> Which part of Yorkshire? I am sorry but I have to say it again - some >>> enquirers seem to have no concept of how BIG a county Yorkshire is! >>> >>> There may well have been a number of Jewish schools but are you >>> talking about the West Riding only, or what? >>> >>> Try entering "Jewish schools+Yorkshire" into Googe. >>> >>> -- >>> Roy Stockdill >>> Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies >>> Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org >>> Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: >>> www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html >>> >>> "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, >>> and that is not being talked about." >>> OSCAR WILDE >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! >> http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Thanks for that address Gordon I will have a look. Mary > Mary, > There is a Jewish School in Hull, try.... > www.jewishgen.org/jcr-uk/community/hull-hebrew.htm > Gordon. > ======================================== > Message Received: Oct 14 2007, 12:39 PM > From: "Roy Stockdill" > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Subject: Re: [WRY] Jewish school in Yorkshire in the 1800's > > From: Mary Heppell > >> I am hoping someone will know if there was a Jewish School in >> Yorkshire probably a secondary school] for the years after 1871.> > > Which part of Yorkshire? I am sorry but I have to say it again - some > enquirers seem to have no concept of how BIG a county Yorkshire is! > > There may well have been a number of Jewish schools but are you > talking about the West Riding only, or what? > > Try entering "Jewish schools+Yorkshire" into Googe. > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies > Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
on 15/10/07 12:14 AM, Stocklands Farm at edulink@iafrica.com wrote: > You are quite right Terry. And I think we are all guilty of thinking that > Google is the answer to everything! > > I went through Altavista and found the following references to Jewish > Schools in Yorkshire: > > 1. The Leeds Civic Trust www.leedscivictrust.org.uk had "Jewish Schools in > Leeds 1880 - 1930" > > 2. www.localhistory.co.uk has a reference to "A Jewish School in Victorian > Leeds" in on of it's publication > > and > > www.geoffkolnick.tripod.com refers to the first Jewish marriage in > Yorkshire. > > I hope this helps Mary and encourages others to think outside Google - as it > did me! > > Best wishes > > Eve > > From: "TERRY HOPKIN- SUNDBY" <terrysundbya0felan3@hotmail.com> > To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 4:49 PM > Subject: Re: [WRY] Jewish school in Yorkshire in the 1800's > > >> >> Hi >> there is an ignorance amongst many as to how search engines work and their >> limitations. All search engines have catalogues that they search within. >> Most search engines Google included have "national" catalogues so a search >> in the UK for example may not give the same results as one in Australia, >> or searching with "Asak Jeeves" may well give a result which maybe Google >> doesn't or vice versa. >> There exist multi search engines such as Copernic which prove to avoid >> some of the difficulties experienced with single search engines. >> But going onto a spesalist search on a British Jewish site may well give >> you a much better result than writting into GOOGLE jEWISH >> SCHOOLS+YORKSHIRE, especialy as you are searching from Australia. >> regards >> Terry >> Norway >>> From: roy.stockdill@btinternet.com >>> To: west-riding@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 12:12:03 +0100 >>> Subject: Re: [WRY] Jewish school in Yorkshire in the 1800's >>> >>> From: Mary Heppell >>> >>>> I am hoping someone will know if there was a Jewish School in >>>> Yorkshire probably a secondary school] for the years after 1871.> >>> >>> Which part of Yorkshire? I am sorry but I have to say it again - some >>> enquirers seem to have no concept of how BIG a county Yorkshire is! >>> >>> There may well have been a number of Jewish schools but are you >>> talking about the West Riding only, or what? >>> >>> Try entering "Jewish schools+Yorkshire" into Googe. >>> >>> -- >>> Roy Stockdill >>> Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies >>> Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org >>> Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: >>> www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html >>> >>> "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, >>> and that is not being talked about." >>> OSCAR WILDE >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! >> http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hello Chris, Thank you for the info regarding Jewish schools and education. I am not sure I am on the right track, I know two sons were sent to boarding school . The parents were Prussian so maybe they sent their sons to Germany to school. They do not appear in the 1871 census. I will have to give this more thought. Thanks again. Mary > If you're asking "Was there a Jewish secondary school in Yorkshire in the > 1870's", then the answer is almost certainly "no", but there may be another > answer depending on the question that you're really asking, and any other > information that you have but haven't posted. > > The 1870 Elementary Education Act set out a framework for the provision of > education for all children between the ages of 5 and 13 in England and > Wales. Naturally, this wasn't taken up or enforced overnight, and it wasn't > for another 10 years that children aged 5 to 10 were actually compelled to > go to school. Age 5 to 13 was primary education. > > Secondary education commenced at 13, an age when the vast majority of people > were well capable of, and expected to be, earning a living for themselves. > If you went into secondary education, instead of a job, someone had the > money to spare to pay for it. > > Yorkshire had an influx of Jews in the mid to late nineteenth century. They > were fleeing the persecution in what is now Poland, and usually intending to > go to the USA. The usual route was into England via Hull, and out via > Liverpool. Some ran out of money and ended up settling in cities along the > route such as Leeds and Manchester. What became the Leeds ghetto was an area > called the Leylands, to the north of the city centre. > > Following the 1870 Elementary Education Act the area benefited from the same > education provision as the rest of the country. The first Board school > (board, as in School Board, not boarding) in the Leylands was set up in > Gower street in 1875 (the building is still there, but it's no longer a > school). In time, the Board schools in the Leylands had an almost 100% > Jewish attendance, but they were neither Jewish, nor Secondary schools. > > Kushti bok, > > Chris Westmoreland > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding- >> bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary Heppell >> Sent: 14 October 2007 03:40 >> To: west-riding@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [WRY] Jewish school in Yorkshire in the 1800's >> >> Hello Listers, >> >> I am hoping someone will know if there was a Jewish School in Yorkshire >> probably a secondary school] for the years after 1871. >> >> Thanks for any help. >> >> Mary Heppell >> >> > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.9/1068 - Release Date: 13/10/2007 > 10:15 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Wow, another day not wasted as Mother would have said. Very interesting! Lindi -----Original Message----- From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary Heppell Sent: 16 October 2007 12:07 To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WRY] Fw: Jewish school in Yorkshire in the 1800's I agree Annabelle, I have printed it and will refer to that info as I need to. Mary > Chris said, > > >> If you're asking "Was there a Jewish secondary school in Yorkshire in the >> 1870's", then the answer is almost certainly "no", but there may be >> another >> answer depending on the question that you're really asking, and any other >> information that you have but haven't posted. >> >> The 1870 Elementary Education Act set out a framework for the provision of >> education for all children between the ages of 5 and 13 in England and >> Wales. Naturally, this wasn't taken up or enforced overnight, and it >> wasn't >> for another 10 years that children aged 5 to 10 were actually compelled to >> go to school. Age 5 to 13 was primary education. >> >> Secondary education commenced at 13, an age when the vast majority of >> people >> were well capable of, and expected to be, earning a living for themselves. >> If you went into secondary education, instead of a job, someone had the >> money to spare to pay for it. >> >> Yorkshire had an influx of Jews in the mid to late nineteenth century. >> They >> were fleeing the persecution in what is now Poland, and usually intending >> to >> go to the USA. The usual route was into England via Hull, and out via >> Liverpool. Some ran out of money and ended up settling in cities along the >> route such as Leeds and Manchester. What became the Leeds ghetto was an >> area >> called the Leylands, to the north of the city centre. >> >> Following the 1870 Elementary Education Act the area benefited from the >> same >> education provision as the rest of the country. The first Board school >> (board, as in School Board, not boarding) in the Leylands was set up in >> Gower street in 1875 (the building is still there, but it's no longer a >> school). In time, the Board schools in the Leylands had an almost 100% >> Jewish attendance, but they were neither Jewish, nor Secondary schools. >> > Chris, that was excellent.!! > > I have no jewish ancestors (that I am aware of ) but found it most > interesting. Had Mary found something on Google, we as a list would have > missed this very educational piece of information. > > regards from, > Annabelle. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Chris said, > If you're asking "Was there a Jewish secondary school in Yorkshire in the > 1870's", then the answer is almost certainly "no", but there may be > another > answer depending on the question that you're really asking, and any other > information that you have but haven't posted. > > The 1870 Elementary Education Act set out a framework for the provision of > education for all children between the ages of 5 and 13 in England and > Wales. Naturally, this wasn't taken up or enforced overnight, and it > wasn't > for another 10 years that children aged 5 to 10 were actually compelled to > go to school. Age 5 to 13 was primary education. > > Secondary education commenced at 13, an age when the vast majority of > people > were well capable of, and expected to be, earning a living for themselves. > If you went into secondary education, instead of a job, someone had the > money to spare to pay for it. > > Yorkshire had an influx of Jews in the mid to late nineteenth century. > They > were fleeing the persecution in what is now Poland, and usually intending > to > go to the USA. The usual route was into England via Hull, and out via > Liverpool. Some ran out of money and ended up settling in cities along the > route such as Leeds and Manchester. What became the Leeds ghetto was an > area > called the Leylands, to the north of the city centre. > > Following the 1870 Elementary Education Act the area benefited from the > same > education provision as the rest of the country. The first Board school > (board, as in School Board, not boarding) in the Leylands was set up in > Gower street in 1875 (the building is still there, but it's no longer a > school). In time, the Board schools in the Leylands had an almost 100% > Jewish attendance, but they were neither Jewish, nor Secondary schools. > Chris, that was excellent.!! I have no jewish ancestors (that I am aware of ) but found it most interesting. Had Mary found something on Google, we as a list would have missed this very educational piece of information. regards from, Annabelle.
Hi All, My thanks to both Nancy and Ann for their replies re my query on the church names in Selby. I was somewhat confused by the fact that both the Catholic Church and the Anglican Abbey were dedicated to St Mary and St Germane but I am easily confused folks. Anyhow, I think I am now non confused :--) Thanks again for your help. Ray
Hi! Just a word of caution- Graham Norton is his stage-name, he was born Walker! Sorry to be a killjoy. Gordon. ======================================== Message Received: Oct 15 2007, 08:25 AM From: Mlou1173@aol.com To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: Re: [WRY] Graham Norton BBC WDYTYA Hi Sue.....just on the offchance you have come across any of my NORTONs in your searches....here is how they go: THOMAS NORTON - no other information. One of his sons was a BENJAMIN NORTON bap. 1748 Denby, Yks. m. NANCY ANN NORTON bap. 1748 Denby (daughter of SAMUEL NORTON). Their known children were: SARAH NORTON bap 1770 Barnsley MARY NORTON bap. 1773 Barnsley HANNAH NORTON bap. 1775 Barnsley JOSEPH NORTON bap. 1778 Barnsley d. 1853 Barnsley m. ELLEN GLOVER in 1803 Silkstone THOMAS NORTON bap. 1781 Barnsley RACHEL NORTON bap. 1784 Barnsley Joseph and Ellen are my line and their known children were: THOMAS NORTON b. 1806 Barnsley WILLIAM NORTON b. 1812 Barnsley m. HARRIETT WEBSTER SARAH NORTON b. 1816 Barnsley RACHEL NORTON b. 1825 d. 1886 Barnsley m. GEORGE COATES in 1855 Rachel & George were one set of my gg-grandparents. For a couple of generations the NORTONs operated a provision shop on New St. in Barnsley. I've more on these folks....but thought I'd send it just in case anything looks familiar. mary lou ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Gordon Moody, Scarborough, North Yorkshire.
Hi Gordon I don't think you've followed the thread! Yes, Graham Norton is, by birth, a Walker - but Mary Lou listed her Nortons because I mentioned I had Nortons in the same Wentworth, Scholes, Hoyland etc villages as I had Walkers. I believe Graham Norton chose Norton as it was his g.granny's name - but I don't know which side of his family that was - so it might be a red herring to my Walkers + Graham Norton search in the Wentworth area.... But there might also be a link between me and Mary Lou - Barnsley 'aint that distant, as far as the cart rolls.... bw Sue On 15/10/07 11:15 pm, "eric gordon moody" <ericgordon@emoody.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote: > Hi! Just a word of caution- Graham Norton is his stage-name, he was born > Walker! > Sorry to be a killjoy. > Gordon. > > > > > > ======================================== > Message Received: Oct 15 2007, 08:25 AM > From: Mlou1173@aol.com > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Subject: Re: [WRY] Graham Norton BBC WDYTYA > > Hi Sue.....just on the offchance you have come across any of my NORTONs in > your searches....here is how they go: > > THOMAS NORTON - no other information. > > One of his sons was a BENJAMIN NORTON bap. 1748 Denby, Yks. m. NANCY ANN > NORTON bap. 1748 Denby (daughter of SAMUEL NORTON). Their known children were: > > SARAH NORTON bap 1770 Barnsley > MARY NORTON bap. 1773 Barnsley > HANNAH NORTON bap. 1775 Barnsley > JOSEPH NORTON bap. 1778 Barnsley d. 1853 Barnsley m. ELLEN GLOVER in 1803 > Silkstone > THOMAS NORTON bap. 1781 Barnsley > RACHEL NORTON bap. 1784 Barnsley > > Joseph and Ellen are my line and their known children were: > > THOMAS NORTON b. 1806 Barnsley > WILLIAM NORTON b. 1812 Barnsley m. HARRIETT WEBSTER > SARAH NORTON b. 1816 Barnsley > RACHEL NORTON b. 1825 d. 1886 Barnsley m. GEORGE COATES in 1855 > > Rachel & George were one set of my gg-grandparents. > > For a couple of generations the NORTONs operated a provision shop on New St. > in Barnsley. > > I've more on these folks....but thought I'd send it just in case anything > looks familiar. > > mary lou > > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > Gordon Moody, > > > Scarborough, > > > North Yorkshire. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
When I tried to download the program I found that I had to use Internent Explorer (I use Firefox as my browser), and that it could be downloaded only to addresses in the UK. Trevor Melbourne On 15/10/2007, richard ellis <richard@ellisresearch.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > Hi Sue > > Thanks for the recommendation, as I too missed the Graeme Norton > programme. > > However I think list should know that it's not so easy to download > and takes time! > > Your initial link gets one through to the BBC I Player registration > (eventually!), and then one has to fill in registration details and get > a pin number. The website here is confusing re instructions > > Once registrated, one can pick a programme, but the down-load takes > a long time - reckon on an hour this time !? - before it is loaded for > viewing. > > Plus-side is that this facility should allow one to see lots of programmes > that one has missed! - but only a week from time of broadcast, to > down-load. > > Thanks for the tip! > > Richard > > > -----Original Message----- > From: west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:west-riding-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of sjw > Sent: 13 October 2007 21:04 > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WRY] Graham Norton BBC WDYTYA > > > Hi again > > A revision to my post - > > Apparently if you have broadband and Windows, you can download/watch the > programme on the BBC iplayer for a week afterwards... > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/page/item/b0081l8k.shtml > > Off to dig out my hated Windows laptop...! > > Sue (a Mac + Reunion person!) > > > > > > > > On 13/10/07 7:26 pm, "Mlou1173@aol.com" <Mlou1173@aol.com> wrote: > > > Sorry I stirred the pot.....the minute I clicked "send", I thought to > > myself.....oh, @#$%, that is going to elicit a reponse from Roy about > Google. > > I > > agree, I could have done it myself.....no excuses. > > > > Seeing how Mr. Norton's heritage is Irish, doubt we are related...but no > > harm to try. > > > > Yes, Roy and I have been trading messages for years now, and I can take > his > > reprimands.....though I do feel sorry for the real newcomers who are on > the > > receiving end of some of his more outlandish tirades. > > > > I appreciate those of you who came to my defense. > > > > Cheers.......mary lou > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Roy, As always, many thanks for your input. Kind regards, Gail ----- Original Message ---- From: Roy Stockdill <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> To: west-riding@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 11 October, 2007 12:48:13 PM Subject: Re: [WRY] Nuns Buildings, Horsforth From: Gail Ball <gball@oddpost.com> > I know you're all full of information so just wondered if anyone knew > what the Nun(n)s Buildings, Broadgate Lane, Horsforth were and who > would have lived there. I have a number of NUNNS family member there > in 1871 census. They were mainly stone masons. I have Googled, but > to no avail.> I don't know the actual buildings personally, but it is likely they were a collection of houses built round a courtyard, tightly packed together, or some such arrangement. They were very common indeed in large towns and cities in the 19th century and you often come across in the censuses names like "Smith's Yard" and "Robinson's Court" etc. Frequently they were named after perhaps the first family to occupy one of the dwellings or possibly after the chap who built them. Since your family were stone masons, it seems possible they were builders as well. If you happen to have the 1881 CDs, do a search in "Neighbours - Advanced Query" by just entering the one word "buildings". You will find many such addresses in Horsforth and elsewhere. I would imagine they were demolished long ago, since such places usually tended to become grossly over-crowded slums. -- Roy Stockdill Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I knew you would bite Roy, I have googled it that is why I am asking. I would also mention what part of Yorkshire if I knew. I ask when I have tried all avenues. I have to say this. Oh would some god the gift he give us to see ourselves as others see us. Thats the Australian version not the Robbie Burns version. Mary Heppell > From: Mary Heppell <heppell2@bigpond.com> > >> I am hoping someone will know if there was a Jewish School in >> Yorkshire probably a secondary school] for the years after 1871.> > > Which part of Yorkshire? I am sorry but I have to say it again - some > enquirers seem to have no concept of how BIG a county Yorkshire is! > > There may well have been a number of Jewish schools but are you > talking about the West Riding only, or what? > > Try entering "Jewish schools+Yorkshire" into Googe. > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies > Guild of One-Name Studies website: www.one-name.org > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Ray - Check out this site: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Selby/index.html Under the list of Abbots and Vicars you will find Jonathan MUNCASTER 1819. To my mind there is no doubt that the marriage took place in the Abbey, and was therefore a Church of England service. Nancy McLaughlin Christchurch, NZ On 10/14/07, Ray Risely <risely@tadaust.org.au> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have 2 ancestors (John Sykes & Mary Robinson) who were married in St > Mary's Church Selby in 1829. > Recently I received a copy of the marriage record, page 179, signed by a J > Muncaster, indicating they were married by Banns in "this" church. > The marriage as listed on the IGI, says it is from the Bishops Transcripts > for the Anglican Church. > However, if you put St Mary's Church, Selby, into Google it comes up with a > Catholic St Mary's Church! > On a visit from Oz in 2004, we went to visit both those churches in Selby. > Knocking unannounced on the door where the catholic priest lived he kindly > invited us in and then dived into a large box and together we went through > several old books looking for either Sykes or Robinson names - then he told > me that the catholic church wasn't there in 1829 anyway! > A Google search for Jonathon Muncaster shows he was indeed a minister, of > Gowthorpe, but of no stated religion. > As a silly old 74 yr old, certainly not wanting to start a 'Holy War,' am I > correct in assuming the marriage above was indeed an Anglican one! > I realise that during certain periods churches "switched" under threat of > severe penalty, according to the ruling parties at the time. > Was the current Abbey in Selby also known as St Mary's around the time of > 1829? > > Regards Ray > ps if their is anyone else out there interested in Sykes or more > particularly Robinson from that area and era I would like to hear from you.
May I bring to listers' attention the arrangements for the next meeting which is to be held on Tuesday, 16th October. There will be four speakers from the Church of Latter Day Saints attending. As most of you will know this Church is responsible for the production of the IGI, together with the internet version Family Search, and the original 1881 census index. The subjects covered will be the materials available at Salt Lake City, the extracting of the records from parish registers, etc., and information about the granite vault. The meeting will commence at 7.30 pm (doors open from 7 pm), and will be held in St. Paul's Church Hall, off Greenfoot Lane, Old Town, Barnsley. The hall is easily reached from Junction 37 of the M1. Please contact me if you require directions. Joan Smith, Speakers' Organiser
Hi Sue.....just on the offchance you have come across any of my NORTONs in your searches....here is how they go: THOMAS NORTON - no other information. One of his sons was a BENJAMIN NORTON bap. 1748 Denby, Yks. m. NANCY ANN NORTON bap. 1748 Denby (daughter of SAMUEL NORTON). Their known children were: SARAH NORTON bap 1770 Barnsley MARY NORTON bap. 1773 Barnsley HANNAH NORTON bap. 1775 Barnsley JOSEPH NORTON bap. 1778 Barnsley d. 1853 Barnsley m. ELLEN GLOVER in 1803 Silkstone THOMAS NORTON bap. 1781 Barnsley RACHEL NORTON bap. 1784 Barnsley Joseph and Ellen are my line and their known children were: THOMAS NORTON b. 1806 Barnsley WILLIAM NORTON b. 1812 Barnsley m. HARRIETT WEBSTER SARAH NORTON b. 1816 Barnsley RACHEL NORTON b. 1825 d. 1886 Barnsley m. GEORGE COATES in 1855 Rachel & George were one set of my gg-grandparents. For a couple of generations the NORTONs operated a provision shop on New St. in Barnsley. I've more on these folks....but thought I'd send it just in case anything looks familiar. mary lou ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com