Hi Maggie, Many thanks for the info. Should be fun cracking on with this. Kind regards, Steve. ----- Original Message ----- From: <MaggieMole@aol.com> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [WRY] SAYLES/SALES, LONGDEN, SCHOLEY > > I can't remember the original request, but if the following helps, HTH. > Maggie > > _1871 England Census_ > (http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=7619&enc=1) > about Annie Longden > Name: Annie Longden Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856 Relation: > Servant Gender: Female Where born: Wickersley, Yorkshire, England Civil > Parish: Ecclesall Bierlow Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: Sheffield > County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England > Street address: > > Occupation: > > Condition as to marriage: > > Disability: > > _View Image_ > (http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7619&iid=WRYRG10_4 672_4673-0374&fn=Annie&ln=Longden&st=r&ssrc=&pid=28352012) > Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow Sub-registration district: > Ecclesall Bierlow ED, institution, or vessel: 37 Neighbors: _View others on page_ > (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?viewrecord=1&ti=5538&r=5538&db =uki1 > 871&F0=WRYRG10_4672_4673-0374) Household schedule number: 74 Household > Members: Name Age _Annie Longden_ > (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1871&indiv=try&h=2835201 2) 15 _Elizabeth Swinburn_ > (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1871&indiv=try&h=2835200 9) 56 > _Francis S Swinburn_ > (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1871&indiv=try&h=2835201 1) 16 _John H Swinburn_ > (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1871&indiv=try&h=2835201 0) 20 _Wiliam Swinburn_ > (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1871&indiv=try&h=2835200 8) 49 > > _1861 England Census_ > (http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=8767&enc=1) > about Anne Longden > Name: Anne Longden Age: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854 Relation: > Daughter Father's Name: William Mother's Name: Mary Gender: Female Where born: > Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Ecclesall Bierlow > Ecclesiastical parish: Carver Street County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England > > Street address: > > Occupation: > > Condition as to marriage: > > _View Image_ > (http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8767&iid=WRYRG9_34 71_3474-0277&fn=Anne&ln=Longden&st=r&ssrc=&pid=11481119) > Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow Sub-registration district: > Ecclesall Bierlow ED, institution, or vessel: 28 Neighbors: _View others on page_ > (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?viewrecord=1&ti=5538&r=5538&db =u > ki1861&F0=WRYRG9_3471_3474-0277) Household schedule number: 42 Household > Members: Name Age _Anne Longden_ > (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1861&indiv=try&h=1148111 9) 7 _Emily Longden_ > (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1861&indiv=try&h=1148112 0) 5 _Mary > Longden_ > (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1861&indiv=try&h=1148111 8) 40 _William Longden_ > (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1861&indiv=try&h=1148111 7) 32 _Joseph Simpson_ > (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1861&indiv=try&h=1148112 1) 14 > > (javascript:censuspdf('http://c.ancestry > .com/pdf/trees/charts/UKCensus1861.pdf')) > (http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8767&iid=WRYRG9_34 71_3474-0277&fn=Anne&ln=Longden&st=r&ssrc=&pid=11481119) > > > Or also in 1861 > > _1861 England Census_ > (http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=8767&enc=1) > about Anne Longden > Name: Anne Longden Age: 3 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858 Relation: > Daughter Father's Name: William Mother's Name: Sarah Gender: Female Where > born: Greasbrough, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Greasbrough > Ecclesiastical parish: Greasbrough County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England > Street address: > > Occupation: > > Condition as to marriage: > > _View Image_ > (http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8767&iid=WRYRG9_35 09_3511-0157&fn=Anne&ln=Longden&st=r&ssrc=&pid=11658529) > Registration district: Rotherham Sub-registration district: Kimberworth > ED, institution, or vessel: 28 Neighbors: _View others on page_ > (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?viewrecord=1&ti=5538&r=5538&db =uki1861&F0=WRYR > G9_3509_3511-0157) Household schedule number: 42 Household Members: > Name Age _Anne Longden_ > (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1861&indiv=try&h=1165852 9) 3 _Henry Longden_ > (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1861&indiv=try&h=1165852 8) 5 _Mary Longden_ > (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1861&indiv=try&h=1165853 0) 11 Mo > _Sarah Longden_ > (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1861&indiv=try&h=1165852 7) 28 _William Longden_ > (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1861&indiv=try&h=1165852 6) 31 > > > > > > > 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Hi Mary Lou, Thanks for the info, I'll certainly get cracking on this. Kind regards, Steve. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mlou1173@aol.com> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 12:35 AM Subject: Re: [WRY] SAYLES/SALES, LONGDEN, SCHOLEY > > Hi...... > > 1. Finding more info on Annie Elizabeth LONGDEN b.1859 d. 16 Aug 1896 > married Arthur SAYLES both from Bramley on 30 Sep 1885. Her father was William > LONGDEN. I no nothing of her mother. > > > > > > This looks like Annie's census entry in 1881: > > 5 Kingfield Rd., Ecclesall Bierlow, Yorkshire > > ANNIE E. LONGDEN > Age 23 > Unmarried > General Servant to the Joshua Wortley family > > And her parents: > > 6 Fitzwilliam Square, Greasbrough, Yorkshire > > William Longden > Head > Coal Miner > Age 52 > Born: Greasbrough, Yks. > > Sarah Longden > Wife > Age 47 > Born: Greasbrough > > Henry Longden > Son > Coal Miner > Age 18 > Born: Greasbrough > > Martha Longden > Daughter > Domestic Servant > Age 15 > Born: Greasbrough > > Charles Longden > Son > Age 13 > Born: Greasbrough > > John Longden > Son > Scholar > Age 10 > Born: Greasbrough > > Margaret Longden > Daughter > Scholar > Age 6 > Born: Greasbrough > > Archibald Longden > Grandson > Age 5 > Born: Bradford, Yks. > > Mabel Longden > Granddaughter > Age 3 > Born: Greasbrough > > Greasbrough and Ecclesall Bierlow are in the Sheffield area, and look like > they had some connection to the Bramley area through the birth of Archibald in > Bradford. You could use a look at the 1871 census to place Annie at home > with the above family to prove. Perhaps SKS with access will have a look for > you. > > Best wishes.....mary lou > > > > > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest > products. > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I can't remember the original request, but if the following helps, HTH. Maggie _1871 England Census_ (http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=7619&enc=1) about Annie Longden Name: Annie Longden Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Wickersley, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Ecclesall Bierlow Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: Sheffield County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: _View Image_ (http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7619&iid=WRYRG10_4672_4673-0374&fn=Annie&ln=Longden&st=r&ssrc=&pid=28352012) Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow Sub-registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow ED, institution, or vessel: 37 Neighbors: _View others on page_ (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?viewrecord=1&ti=5538&r=5538&db=uki1 871&F0=WRYRG10_4672_4673-0374) Household schedule number: 74 Household Members: Name Age _Annie Longden_ (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1871&indiv=try&h=28352012) 15 _Elizabeth Swinburn_ (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1871&indiv=try&h=28352009) 56 _Francis S Swinburn_ (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1871&indiv=try&h=28352011) 16 _John H Swinburn_ (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1871&indiv=try&h=28352010) 20 _Wiliam Swinburn_ (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1871&indiv=try&h=28352008) 49 _1861 England Census_ (http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=8767&enc=1) about Anne Longden Name: Anne Longden Age: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: William Mother's Name: Mary Gender: Female Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Ecclesall Bierlow Ecclesiastical parish: Carver Street County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: _View Image_ (http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8767&iid=WRYRG9_3471_3474-0277&fn=Anne&ln=Longden&st=r&ssrc=&pid=11481119) Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow Sub-registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow ED, institution, or vessel: 28 Neighbors: _View others on page_ (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?viewrecord=1&ti=5538&r=5538&db=u ki1861&F0=WRYRG9_3471_3474-0277) Household schedule number: 42 Household Members: Name Age _Anne Longden_ (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1861&indiv=try&h=11481119) 7 _Emily Longden_ (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1861&indiv=try&h=11481120) 5 _Mary Longden_ (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1861&indiv=try&h=11481118) 40 _William Longden_ (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1861&indiv=try&h=11481117) 32 _Joseph Simpson_ (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1861&indiv=try&h=11481121) 14 (javascript:censuspdf('http://c.ancestry .com/pdf/trees/charts/UKCensus1861.pdf')) (http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8767&iid=WRYRG9_3471_3474-0277&fn=Anne&ln=Longden&st=r&ssrc=&pid=11481119) Or also in 1861 _1861 England Census_ (http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=8767&enc=1) about Anne Longden Name: Anne Longden Age: 3 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: William Mother's Name: Sarah Gender: Female Where born: Greasbrough, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Greasbrough Ecclesiastical parish: Greasbrough County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: _View Image_ (http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8767&iid=WRYRG9_3509_3511-0157&fn=Anne&ln=Longden&st=r&ssrc=&pid=11658529) Registration district: Rotherham Sub-registration district: Kimberworth ED, institution, or vessel: 28 Neighbors: _View others on page_ (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?viewrecord=1&ti=5538&r=5538&db=uki1861&F0=WRYR G9_3509_3511-0157) Household schedule number: 42 Household Members: Name Age _Anne Longden_ (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1861&indiv=try&h=11658529) 3 _Henry Longden_ (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1861&indiv=try&h=11658528) 5 _Mary Longden_ (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1861&indiv=try&h=11658530) 11 Mo _Sarah Longden_ (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1861&indiv=try&h=11658527) 28 _William Longden_ (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1861&indiv=try&h=11658526) 31

Hi...... 1. Finding more info on Annie Elizabeth LONGDEN b.1859 d. 16 Aug 1896 married Arthur SAYLES both from Bramley on 30 Sep 1885. Her father was William LONGDEN. I no nothing of her mother. This looks like Annie's census entry in 1881: 5 Kingfield Rd., Ecclesall Bierlow, Yorkshire ANNIE E. LONGDEN Age 23 Unmarried General Servant to the Joshua Wortley family And her parents: 6 Fitzwilliam Square, Greasbrough, Yorkshire William Longden Head Coal Miner Age 52 Born: Greasbrough, Yks. Sarah Longden Wife Age 47 Born: Greasbrough Henry Longden Son Coal Miner Age 18 Born: Greasbrough Martha Longden Daughter Domestic Servant Age 15 Born: Greasbrough Charles Longden Son Age 13 Born: Greasbrough John Longden Son Scholar Age 10 Born: Greasbrough Margaret Longden Daughter Scholar Age 6 Born: Greasbrough Archibald Longden Grandson Age 5 Born: Bradford, Yks. Mabel Longden Granddaughter Age 3 Born: Greasbrough Greasbrough and Ecclesall Bierlow are in the Sheffield area, and look like they had some connection to the Bramley area through the birth of Archibald in Bradford. You could use a look at the 1871 census to place Annie at home with the above family to prove. Perhaps SKS with access will have a look for you. Best wishes.....mary lou **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)

Hello: I am researching the Moorhouse family that came from the Keighley and Bingley areas of WYks. I have come to a dead and believe that it is very possible that my line came from Silsden prior to living in the Keighley area.. I would be very interested in hearing from any interested in the Moorhouse family in Silsden especially if they think they may have connections that are also ii the Keighley and Bingley areas. My great great great grandparents were John Moorhouse, bn ca 1760 and Betty Appleyard bn ca 1763 in Horsforth. They were married 3 Feb 1784 at Bingley. I believe my great great great great grandparents were John Moorhouse, bn ?, who married Eleanor (Ellen) Shuttleworth, bn ca 1736 at Cowling, 15 Sep 1760 at Bingley. If you think that you have any information that might be of help to me I would be very pleased to hear from you. Bruce Moorhouse brucemoorhouse@rogers.com Ontario Canada

Hi List, I've just joined, so here are may family name interests: SAYLES/SALES from Rotherham (Bramley) traced back to Pigburn (now Pickburn) and Hampole areas. Names change from SAYLES to SALES in 1841 census presumably none of the family could read or write. Wives included LONGDEN and SCHOLEY. My brick walls are: 1. Finding more info on Annie Elizabeth LONGDEN b.1859 d. 16 Aug 1896 married Arthur SAYLES both from Bramley on 30 Sep 1885. Her father was William LONGDEN. I no nothing of her mother. 2. Confirming that Thomas SALES b. 1796 at Hampole was the father of George SAYLES b.1827 at Pigburn, Brodsworth and if so more info on Thomas (his father, wife etc.). 3. Confirming that George SCHOLEY b. 1799 at Adwick Upon Dearne was the father of Charlotte SCHOLEY b. 1822 at Bramley, Rotherham d. Sep 1901 and if so more info on George (his father, wife etc.). Any help would be much appreciated. Kind regards, Steve.

Hi, I'm not sure if I understand your mystery. Could you possibly just reword the gist of it for me so I know I've 'got it'? How do you know the Joshua Batty in the Wakefield prison is the correct Joshua Batty? There are several born about the same time showing up in the census records. Did you get a father's name from the marriage certificate. Are you thinking that the Shepherd family changed their name unofficially or that there was a typographical error or that someone was hiding a crime or just 'adopted' children so they didn't find out about 'dad'.?? Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: <west-riding-request@rootsweb.com> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 12:02 AM Subject: WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 2, Issue 388 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. WHO WAS GEORGE SHEPHARD? (Carolyn Wilson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:40:29 +1100 > From: "Carolyn Wilson" <dazwilson@bigpond.com> > Subject: [WRY] WHO WAS GEORGE SHEPHARD? > To: <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> > Cc: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <008901c83861$62d887c0$0300000a@acer86e9bf2e61> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > > > > > >>>> Hi, All, >>>> >>>> I wonder whether anyone could help me with a mystery / brickwall, >>>> please >>>> ? >>>> I shall try to make it as brief as possible (!) >>>> >>>> A Joshua BATTY married a Charlotte SHEPHERD in Sheffield, YKS on 17 >>>> Apr, >>>> 1854. (Certificate in my possession.) >>>> They had 2 children born in England - Hannah Elizabeth on 11 Mar, 1855, >>>> YKS and Sarah Ann on 15 Jul, 1857, YKS. (Certificates ditto.) >>>> >>>> Joshua's occupation in the 1851 Census was Ag Labourer and he was a >>>> prisoner in Wakefield. >>>> >>>> Then he and Charlotte and the 2 girls arrived in Melbourne on the >>>> "Northern Bride" in Jun, 1858, along with other members of the BATTY >>>> family (spelt BATTYE on ship's record). >>>> >>>> There are 6 baptisms for children at the Presbyterian Church in >>>> Carcoar, >>>> N.S.W. >>>> >>>> - Sarah Ann b. 15 Jul, 1857, bapt 6 Jan, 1863 (b. Sheffield to Joshua >>>> BATTY, Farmer and Charlotte (SHEPHERD.) >>>> - Mary Jane b. 3 Jun, 1859 (Aus), bpt 6 Jan, 1863. Joshua's birthplace >>>> is >>>> Sheffield and mother is Charlotte. >>>> - Eliza b. 9 May, 1866, bpt 6 Jun, 1868. Joshua is Labourer, Summerhill >>>> and mother is Charlotte. >>>> - Martha b. 28 Jul, 1864, bpt 6 Apr, 1868. same parents and details as >>>> above. >>>> - David b. 20 Sep, 1868, bpt 13 Apr, 1869. Joshua is now "Farmer, >>>> Summerhill, mother is Charlotte (SHEPHERD.) >>>> - William b. 29 Jul, 1870, bpt 9 Apr, 1871. Joshua is Farmer, >>>> Summerhill, >>>> mother is Charlotte (SHEPHERD.) >>>> >>>> Now the mystery starts to >>>> deepen........................................... >>>> >>>> There are 12 children born to a George SHEPHARD(sic) and Charlotte (MS >>>> SHEPHARD) (on the date they say they were married in Sheffield, >>>> Charlotte >>>> m. Joshua BATTY.) There is *no* marriage anywhere in UK around the >>>> right >>>> time to 2 SHEPHARDs(sic.) Nor in N.S.W. >>>> >>>> Children are: >>>> >>>> - Hannah Elizabeth. b. 1855 (according to her MC in 1873 she was 18 and >>>> b. >>>> YKS.) >>>> - Sarah Ann b. 1857 YKS >>>> - Mary Jane b. 1859 (I have her BC and she was b. 3 Jun, 1859, >>>> Summerhill >>>> and was unnamed on the BC. Parents George and Charlotte. >>>> - Charlotte b. 31 Jan, 1861, Summerhill - unnamed on BC >>>> - James b. 11 Sep, 1862, Summerhill. Parents George and Charlotte. >>>> - Martha b. 1864 d/o >>>> - Eliza b. 1866 d/o >>>> - David b. 1868 d/o >>>> - William b. 1870 d/o (died 1872) >>>> - George b. 12 Sep, 1872 d/o "born in hollow by house". >>>> - Joseph b. 1874 d.o >>>> - Thomas b. 1876 >>>> >>>> (There is no Noble SHEPHARD born to George and Charlotte, as it says on >>>> his DC. He was the illegitimate son of Eliza (b. 1866), but must have >>>> been >>>> reared by G and C and thought they were his parents.) >>>> >>>> George SHEPHARD died in 1879 at Summerhill. Joshua BATTY died in >>>> Parramatta Asylum in 1882, so they can't be the same person. >>>> Charlotte died 31 Dec, 1914 (on nsw bmd as 1915). >>>> >>>> I have both George and Charlotte's DCs and both their wills. >>>> >>>> Would someone who loves a good mystery <vbg> like to assist me in >>>> trying >>>> to unravel this mess ? >>>> >>>> Also would anyone know where the baptismal records would be for the >>>> 'missing' BATTY baptisms? Most likely they would be either at home in >>>> Rockley or in the Anglican Church in Rockley. How would I obtain these, >>>> please? >>>> >>>> As well, would there be any admission records for Joshua to Parramatta >>>> Asylum? (His brother William also died there.) >>>> >>>> Thanks for listening ! >>>> Carolyn in Bathurst. >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the WEST-RIDING list administrator, send an email to > WEST-RIDING-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the WEST-RIDING mailing list, send an email to > WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of WEST-RIDING Digest, Vol 2, Issue 388 > ******************************************* >

Hi there is a bond between Yorkshire and Russia going way back to Elizabethan times. Fishing boats from Hull were taken and held in Vardø fort in Norway by King Christian IV's navy as revenge for the Muskovy Company's boats refusing to pay a transit fee whilst sailing along the coast of Norway to Archangel and Murmanski. The trade language Russio-Norwegian used in the Pomor region of Norway/ Russia shows a few English inclusions; the word for sleep (slipy) to mention but one. (the universities in Tromsø and Archangel have plenty of details on their websites) During the Industrial Revolution it was not unknown for well trained factory artificers/ hands to do a bunk with their knowledge to greener fields including Russia to help these countries with their industrilization. ( one only has to look at the awfully English name a major French industrial concern has to see at least one person who had got out of Britain. So it may well not be furs your ancestor was involved in perhaps early industrial mill work, especially as he was from the West Riding, worth anyone who has workers involved in industry to look in foriegn fields regards Terry Norway > From: ndenton@cogeco.ca > To: west-riding@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 13:33:57 -0500 > Subject: Re: [WRY] Wilkinson Research > > It was surprisingly common for "single women of means" to travel on their > own in the 19th century. > This was despite the stiff social views of the day. (Sorry Paris and > Brittany- you weren't the first women to make headlines for all the wrong > reasons) > > Actress/author/Russian expert Helen Rappaport has written a number of books > about women who travelled in the 19th century > Her book "No Place for Ladies - The Untold Story of Women in the Crimean > War. " is a best seller. > > She's very nice and studied Russian in Leeds. If you need "expert" research > on 19th century Russia she may be able to help. > > www.helenrappaport.com > > Nelson > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx

I have the death certificate ordered by mistake (right name, wrong person) for a Fred FIRTH. Details: Died 13th October 1925, Highgate Lane, Lepton (Reg Dist Huddersfield, sub-district Kirkheaton) Age 69 Occupation: Grocer Informant: Lawrence Firth (son), Grove Cottage, Lepton If anyone recognises this person as a relative, I would be happy to send them the certificate free of charge. Steve

Hi Terry and list This is a me too thank you for the web site. I have been trying to find out more about what a "Russian Merchant" would be involved with - I have sort of assumed furs and the like - and that site could well help. This man had an office with a number of clerks in St Petersberg mid nineteenth century. As I don't think he would have been the only one there, it follows there was probably quite a group of "ex-pats", and thus at least some of the staff, servants, governesses, nurses etc. would have come from the UK. An explanation for a single woman? Incidentally, I do read Russian! - but modern Russian. I think it was about the time of the Russian Revolution that the Russian (Cyrillic) alphabet lost a number of letters, just to add to the complications of looking at old documents handwritten in a different script as well as language. I have enough trouble with old wills in English <g> Chris Researching H.o.d.g.s.o.n in Dent, R.o.d.g.e.r.s in Wath and the W.e.g.u.e.l.i.n family - Russian merchants On 28/11/2007, TERRY HOPKIN- SUNDBY <terrysundbya0felan3@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hi > you may find them in the St Petersberg records. everyone inthe then Russian capital was registered. Dont forget at that time ordinary Russians needed an internal passport to travel, and foriegners were equaly controlled if not so obviously. A source that might be useful is FEEFHS; Federation of Eastern European Family History Societies at http://feefhs.org whilst mainly for those who have families in Eastern Europe they may well have folk who can perhaps help you as I doudt you read Russian or know where to start > AS TO SINGEL WOMEN TRAVELING ALONE AT THAT TIME NEVER FORGET ANNA AND THE KING IS A TRUE STORY!! > regards > Terry > Norway

It was surprisingly common for "single women of means" to travel on their own in the 19th century. This was despite the stiff social views of the day. (Sorry Paris and Brittany- you weren't the first women to make headlines for all the wrong reasons) Actress/author/Russian expert Helen Rappaport has written a number of books about women who travelled in the 19th century Her book "No Place for Ladies - The Untold Story of Women in the Crimean War. " is a best seller. She's very nice and studied Russian in Leeds. If you need "expert" research on 19th century Russia she may be able to help. www.helenrappaport.com Nelson

Hi Bev....I found another connection on the IGI: "Female" MARLOR marries a SAMUEL EATON on September 22, 1682 in Northowram, Yorkshire. Batch #M007231. Maybe Esther was your Samuel's mother-in-law who is quitclaiming her interest in the Penistone property to her daughter and husband. Just a thought....mary lou **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)

Hello, Can anyone enlighten me on what the following document at Sheffield Archives might tell me: It is with the Crewe Muniments: FILE - Quitclaim - ref. CM/902 - date: 3 Oct 1706 Contents Esther Marler of Manchester, widow, to Samuel Eaton, clerk. The annuity payable out of certain lands in Penistone for £23. Former reference: B6 b31. My Eatons materialized in the Penistone/Silkstone/Darton area in the mid 1700's with a marriage at Silkstone in 1758. There is no clear evidence of where my Eatons/Heatons are from, and I am grasping at straws. Thanks, Bev SIerpina, New York USA **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)

I have been trying to make a connection with the Shaw Family of Dewsbury inthe 1800+. Sarah Metcalfe of Ulverston married a John Shaw of Dewsbury. Sarah was aunty to Stan Laurel, the comedian. John Shaw lived in Dewsbury where his family were rag merchants. He managed the co-op in Ulverston and when married moved to Flookburgh and then later to Sawry. My grandfather Arthur Cooper's mother was a Hannah Shaw. There are numerous Shaw families in the Dewsbury district which makes it hard to sort them all out. If any one knows of any Shaw I would be pleased to hear from them. jeans2@westnet.com.au Jean Sutcliffe

Hi, Karen, John STANIFORTH appears to have married Elizabeth GREAVES, 22 Sep, 1630, Sheffield. They had the ff children: (according to the IGI) - Josephus/Joseph (1636), William (1637), Mary (1640), Thomas (1643), Lucy (1644) and Hannah (1646)..............all bpt at Sheffield or St Peter's, Sheffield. HTH, Carolyn (AUS). P.S. The 1644 Joseph appears to have been born to a different mother. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karan Pittman" <KaranPittman@andrewcollege.edu> To: <west-riding@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 2:07 AM Subject: [WRY] Staniforth > Hi! I am looking for information on the following three individuals: > Joseph Staniforth b. 18 Feb. 1636; Joseph Staniforth b. 30 June 1644; and > Thomas Staniforth b. 20 April 1643. All are sons of Johis (John?) > Staniforth, and all were born in St. Peter, Sheffield, Yorkshire. Any > help appreciated. Will be delighted to share what little I have. Thank > you.

Hi Don, Hello Maggie I have a Selina MALLISON born1 7 Feb 1851 in Ashton Under Lyne, Lancashire, England. Her parents were George and Ann Mallison nee FLYNN. Selina married Joshua TORDOFF 29 October 1868. His parents were John and Tabitha, my great grandparents. Let me know if these details are of interest The dates, locations and other family names are completely strange (dare I say alien?) to me, Don, so I suspect no connection at all to my Mallinsons. But thanks for trying. Maggie

Dear list Does anyone have any insight or experience of researching someone transported as a convict? Are there such things as "passenger" lists for the ships used? Were they transported back to England after serving their time? I'm interested in John PILLEY, barrel maker of Anston, Yorkshire who appears to have been sentenced in 1732 at East Retford to be transported for 7 years to "some of his Majesty's Colonys or Plantations in America." Any pointers would be gratefully received. Andy Walsh (Sheffield UK)

In a message dated 12/1/2007 3:59:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, Colin@Blunham.demon.co.uk writes: A look at the GENUKI Guiseley parish page would have answered your " Is the Guiseley Parish Register available in digital form somewhere" question. A quick Google of "Guisely parish registers" would take you to the same place too :-) ======== Hi, Colin, and thank you for your response. How could I have forgotten that Google is my friend! Regards, Cecil **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)

Hi Cecil, A look at the GENUKI Guiseley parish page would have answered your " Is the Guiseley Parish Register available in digital form somewhere" question. A quick Google of "Guisely parish registers" would take you to the same place too :-) Best wishes, Colin Hinson In the village of Blunham in Bedfordshire U.K. Webmaster for the Genuki Yorkshire pages: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ Old and Rare Yorkshire Books on searchable CDroms: http://cdroms.blunham.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Hi, Listers. > >It has been established that my 3xGGrandparents, JAMES LEE and HANNAH COOPER >were married in Guiseley Parish in Jun 1794. However, record of the >birth/baptism of their offspring, WILLIAM LEE (my 2xGGrandfather) has proved >elusive. Family lore has him b. 23 Dec 1801 and emigrating to >Philadelphia c1817 >where he became the progenitor of my mother's family line in the >USA. He died >in Centre County, Pennsylvania in 1870. > > >From the LDS FHL Card Catalog, I have identified the FHL > Film number of the >Guiseley Parish Register, and plan to order it to search for an entry of >William's birth/baptism. However, before embarking on a microfilm >study, it made >sense to determine if that Register (or transcript thereof) was available in >digital form anywhere. I have been to Ancestry, Findmypast, >Familyhistoryonline, and Britishorigins, but was unable to find it >in any database. > >So my question is this: Is the Guiseley Parish Register available in >digital form somewhere, e. g. a FHS CD or otherwise? > >Regards, >Cecil Townsend >Virginia, USA > >

Hi, Listers. It has been established that my 3xGGrandparents, JAMES LEE and HANNAH COOPER were married in Guiseley Parish in Jun 1794. However, record of the birth/baptism of their offspring, WILLIAM LEE (my 2xGGrandfather) has proved elusive. Family lore has him b. 23 Dec 1801 and emigrating to Philadelphia c1817 where he became the progenitor of my mother's family line in the USA. He died in Centre County, Pennsylvania in 1870. >From the LDS FHL Card Catalog, I have identified the FHL Film number of the Guiseley Parish Register, and plan to order it to search for an entry of William's birth/baptism. However, before embarking on a microfilm study, it made sense to determine if that Register (or transcript thereof) was available in digital form anywhere. I have been to Ancestry, Findmypast, Familyhistoryonline, and Britishorigins, but was unable to find it in any database. So my question is this: Is the Guiseley Parish Register available in digital form somewhere, e. g. a FHS CD or otherwise? Regards, Cecil Townsend Virginia, USA **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)